Yep, I remember that replay I watched back then... OMG, I guess 90% or so would just go GG after the first hero deaths... Those guys are definetely legends!
I appreciate that you keep your commentary to what is happening in the game. :) Too often I see casters start talking about other things while barely following the action on the map.
starting the video i thought who is the person talking. then i read: brought to you by remodemo. he doesnt sound like todays remo at all, iam blown away by how much of a difference a quality mic makes. unreal.
It amazes me to witness Grubby ... such a high level with 2 staff of silence not killing those 14-15 talons with bladestorm and winning easily .... he was constantly using mana on wind walk and was getting revealed.
This is the only thing I never understood. What was the mana cost on blade storm? Does cyclone cancel bladestorm? Most likely there was no chance to use it. This guy is the best ORC and knows whats up.
Damn, the memories. I played the hell out of this game for years... Am I wrong or did Grubby get a bit worse? There was a time when he was never making micro mistakes like that.
The only weakness of moon was himself. He practiced way too much everytime, making sometimes sloppy mistakes. He was even aware of it. Anyways very good game between 2 of the best players wc3 ever saw :)
the itemdrop probabilities are premade during map creation, ingame drops or order of kills does not change them. they are FIXED and saved inside the map file.
+Pavlikov Roman Grubby pretty much lost like nothing every time he did a base race. It was moon who was forced to use tp each time while Grubby was enjoying using nothing but a speed scroll. What made Grubby lose was that he didn't notice the expansion right next to him ^^
it is? how long does it take to find a game? I might get into this again,used to play NE such an amazing game... Orc is so annoying though, speed scroll still gives me nightmares!
Ilias Lerias I still play this masterpice online by Game ranger. Everytime I find people to play normal gamer.Even 3v3 or 4v4 is possible to be playied using this program
I think the reason was that Grubby thought that Moon was looking forward to it. Waits and he immediately transforms them into ravens. It was a mental game. This is the only reason that comes to my mind.
Warcraft3 is such an insane game. Modern games like League of Legends or CS:GO demand 100% of your skill & attention sometimes, but also have plenty of down time where you're dead or between rounds. WC3 demands you're full skill and attention for up to an hour.
why do pros never utilize a zepplin to expand safely on the other goldmines behind main bases etc? I never seen this, and i wonder why since it seems quite good to me sometimes
Can somebody explain why Grubby kept expanding so close to Moon? I feel like his first expo, after he killed Moon's was just him taunting Moon. When he kept trying for the whole game without taking one of the closer expos I was scratching my head.
grubby played the macro hit and run game then had a brain aneurysm and played like a bronzie completely ignoring obvious and probable expo spots. As he goes in for the win and moon rebuilt his whole army really fast obviously he has alot of gold. Why only 2 heroes if your never gonna cast ultimate? TC aura woulda been huge later on. great game by both fun to watch.
i dont get one thing... why did grubby never use bladestorm... when moon tp's he could silence the whole bunch and just go full ham with the bladestorm and moon wouldnt have been able to do shit
Very good question. I didn't even think about it. Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc).
@henrik borovsak, You're not wrong about your explanation but you are wrong about why he didn't master bladestorm. BM was lv 9. That means lv 3 windwalk and lv 3 crits. You still have 3 more lvs to master. Since he didn't use bladestorm, he might have mastered lv 3 mirrors and he didn't even use it. Not sure if he mastered bladestorm or not, but IMO, he should've used it at least once.
War craft 2 for the win!. Im so old school I remember when WC1 came out. It was my first RTS. I would love a WAR2 remaster but it wont ever happen. O well.
I'm with you. That's two sigs on a petition. Lol. Sad thing is they are going to gayify WC3 Remaster with WoWesque graphics... it's not going to be the same... just gay, colorful and cartoony.
@@duuuuuuuuuh135315 ya I liked how warcraft2 looked like. It was pretty much sc. WC3 is about to be WOW RTS. I guess it is still an RTs so could be fun game.
+Jordan Mcevoy He doesn't have enough mana due to dh's mana burn. He only has enough for a windwalk and he does not want to be mana burned again and lose everything.
I forgot about the beastmasters hawk, i was wondering why he didnt pop a mana potion and ult, but the hawk has true sight. so the threat of mana burn was relevant, my bad lol
there are more choices I would have taken otherwise (but hey.. i'm the noob) - why didn't he chose to fight at his expansion when they had even supply and he was one expansion ahead? - why did he SO many hero focus instead of playing with staff/raiders/BM against the druids? - too much running away Yes, he forced many portals but he could have picked so many druids one by one and moon had no opportunity (wind tree was missing nearly all the time) to rebuild.
Very good question. I didn't even think about it. Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc).
I just dont understand what Cyclone not gets countered by HeadHunters. If u have like 15 HH they cannot cyclone all of them...so you perma have a army to fight
I think you should get punished more for loosing heros.. that's kinda crap that moon lost his heros like 20 times and grubby lost both of his once and still lost.
Erm, he got punished by it by feeding the Orc an enourmous amount of exp, he was almost 10 in the end and sh high aswell. Also it is very very expensive to insta-revive (and you need to go in the middle), he could actually only do that so easy because grubby didn't scout/kill the expo as pointed out, DUH
Very good question. I didn't even think about it. Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc). edit: mana cost is a good point aswell and enemy has DH
@@danasauer2381 he was again and again silencing 14-15 talons and not to mention bladestorm has spell immunity and very mobility .... one good bladestorm was an easy win so he should have saved for it when moon/grubby TP to attack or defend
Wow grubby lost this game with more total score. Just means that Blademaster isnt as strong as he should be. Should have more tenacity vs cyclone or something. The staff of silence did so much though so was quite a fair game. I think Grubby was unsure how to win and missed a win middle game though. Was certain moon lost after grubby won a huge fight mid game.
Please watch the minimap while commentating. I did like 17 facepalms in that match cuz halve ur sentences are just wrong or you just miss the action while it is blinking on the minimap :/
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Yep, I remember that replay I watched back then...
OMG, I guess 90% or so would just go GG after the first hero deaths...
Those guys are definetely legends!
I appreciate that you keep your commentary to what is happening in the game. :)
Too often I see casters start talking about other things while barely following the action on the map.
Jesus, this is anxiety inducing. My butthole was clenched the entire time. Such an amazing match. Amazing commentary also!
You are too uptight.
i always keep my buttho clenched like an iron fist
more than 10 years, and im still heartbroken
Mindblowing game. Just incredible.. Thx for upload + cast!
How did I get here? And why did I watch the whole thing?
+the 226 we all have that moment m8
Because there is a reason it's called Rotw? Oh and it would be nice to know what you mean exactly "how I get here", like do you play the game? :D
And here I am 3 years later than you even 🤦♂️
@@icecoldchilipreppers6496 and I 3 years after you. To the human who comes 3 years after me. May God have mercy on you
Absolute nail biter. Thanks for the upload and solid commentary.
Best game I’ve ever seen, realy enjoyed it very much!
57:15 Grubby could not TP out here because there is no great hall on the map.
+Ducky1521 Uh, wait... Was Remo playing Orc or NE?
So sweet to be called butter cup
+Ducky1521 what's your problem? I appreciated the explanation.
Grubby still had a great hall. It was destroyed at 57:22... lol u blind.
where ?
Bottom left - destroyed off camera.
What a game! Thanks for uploading
2020. watching this during quarantine.
starting the video i thought who is the person talking. then i read: brought to you by remodemo. he doesnt sound like todays remo at all, iam blown away by how much of a difference a quality mic makes. unreal.
It amazes me to witness Grubby ... such a high level with 2 staff of silence not killing those 14-15 talons with bladestorm and winning easily .... he was constantly using mana on wind walk and was getting revealed.
This is the only thing I never understood. What was the mana cost on blade storm? Does cyclone cancel bladestorm? Most likely there was no chance to use it. This guy is the best ORC and knows whats up.
@@shamelhowell7860 you are immune to magic or spells in bladestorm ...I guess you loose common sense by the pressure of playing someone of that level
Thanks a lot for the cast. nice to re visit wc3 for some nostalgia.
can you possinly find some good happy replays? he was my favorite undead player.
it was amazing times when we were so young
why didnt u show us hero kills resourses etc
Damn, the memories. I played the hell out of this game for years...
Am I wrong or did Grubby get a bit worse? There was a time when he was never making micro mistakes like that.
this is by far the best game i've ever witnessed from both of these players
Oh my God Moon! Why are you so good at this game?
The only weakness of moon was himself. He practiced way too much everytime, making sometimes sloppy mistakes. He was even aware of it.
Anyways very good game between 2 of the best players wc3 ever saw :)
the itemdrop probabilities are premade during map creation, ingame drops or order of kills does not change them. they are FIXED and saved inside the map file.
Godlike macro from both. It's unfortunate grubby didn't notice the sneaky expo right next to his base until it was too late
what a game.
Grubby was so close to win in first half of game, but everytime he trying to kill main tree and lost too much. Great micro, great players, great game!
+Pavlikov Roman
Grubby pretty much lost like nothing every time he did a base race.
It was moon who was forced to use tp each time while Grubby was enjoying using nothing but a speed scroll.
What made Grubby lose was that he didn't notice the expansion right next to him ^^
fucking awesome old school game!
doesn't matter, it's still being played alot and alot of fun. I just recently got back into it and am having a blast.
it is? how long does it take to find a game? I might get into this again,used to play NE such an amazing game... Orc is so annoying though, speed scroll still gives me nightmares!
Ilias Lerias I still play this masterpice online by Game ranger. Everytime I find people to play normal gamer.Even 3v3 or 4v4 is possible to be playied using this program
where i can pledge? i love your project :-)
+Bartosz Kujawski hey buddy, thanks for the kind words
Crazy March I love seeing beast master played
Staff of silence x2!!!
Why no Blademaster Ultimate and kill all the talons at once?
+CombatWombat321 talon can just fly and he would wasted is mana for ult
+Arthas35788 he had silence
+Afoo Not sure he ever had the mana or the position to do this
lv3 WW is much more better for him (of spending bm manas), see the post-match analysis: czcams.com/video/5yidT2D0rcY/video.html
I agree he had silence to prevent crow form. Coulda wiped those talons. Argue that killing like 6 talons is not a good use of mana go ahead.
level sex demon?! xD
+Andre Martins sounds terrifying
Great game and great casting
yea i didn't saw grubby use bladestorm in this match
Why the Grubster didn't whirlwind into the Talons? That makes him invul to cyclone right? Could have bought a mana pot to do it.
i was wondering the same thing, im sure he could afford to use one mana potion to use it. even on heros it would be good
I think the reason was that Grubby thought that Moon was looking forward to it. Waits and he immediately transforms them into ravens. It was a mental game. This is the only reason that comes to my mind.
Legend has it that the expo on the right haunts Grubby to this day.
Good commentary makes a good replay epic.. Bad commentary makes an epic replay sh*t!
I miss this classicness
When Legends collide.
Warcraft3 is such an insane game. Modern games like League of Legends or CS:GO demand 100% of your skill & attention sometimes, but also have plenty of down time where you're dead or between rounds.
WC3 demands you're full skill and attention for up to an hour.
What a fuckin game! WCIII is the greatest game of all time.
why do pros never utilize a zepplin to expand safely on the other goldmines behind main bases etc? I never seen this, and i wonder why since it seems quite good to me sometimes
That talon strategy is too hard to micro for the average wc3 players.
You miss all of gubbys expansions he always had two open eyes
53:48 I love the best when my Demon Hunter is level Sex!!
Can somebody explain why Grubby kept expanding so close to Moon? I feel like his first expo, after he killed Moon's was just him taunting Moon. When he kept trying for the whole game without taking one of the closer expos I was scratching my head.
The first time close - because he thought he won.. 2nd idk
i remember this game and this orc vs newbelf strat.
dh panda tinker mass talon.
vs
bm sh raider spirit link+peon pull
every game
What a game! Oh my GOD!
Great commentary.....
grubby played the macro hit and run game then had a brain aneurysm and played like a bronzie completely ignoring obvious and probable expo spots. As he goes in for the win and moon rebuilt his whole army really fast obviously he has alot of gold. Why only 2 heroes if your never gonna cast ultimate? TC aura woulda been huge later on. great game by both fun to watch.
Those damn cyclone are so op
this is when you say GG wp friend.
Best building game ever !
this game shows how intense Moon is
There was two stafs of silence. It would be faster for Ork. But it steel beautiful game!
go moon ! respect for not giving up.
One hilarious hour in my life :) Grubby is God
Yeah, and that staff of silence, casted on the talons was epic :)
I wonder these amazing drops didn't win him the game, I mean what if it was trash items?
claws 15 :D
he was god until he fucked up at the end not tping out
@@Marsonis2ya if youre talking about the last fight.. its not that he didnt, he couldnt.. he had no gh left
Why do you turn off music? It ruins half of game immersion to me.
Nice Commentary
Finally, a video where Grubby loses xD
57:06 There is a good reason why Grubby doesn't TP.
Yea he doesn't have a town hall :P
he has. 56:59
i think he didn't tp because there's no use. The other orc troops can still be killed during the tp. Only the BM is invulnerable.
can't tp to it when its under production.
ohh i see
moon vs grubby
.... sweet
i dont get one thing... why did grubby never use bladestorm... when moon tp's he could silence the whole bunch and just go full ham with the bladestorm and moon wouldnt have been able to do shit
stiefellus demon burned his mana all the time, plus he could have just get thrown in the air, and it costs mana which he didnt have
isn't it hard to target someone with cyclone who is spell immune? also, he was using mana potions... one good mana potin = mass druid slaughter?
stiefellus ita better to skill other abilitys then a ultimate against a very skilled apponent
Very good question. I didn't even think about it.
Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc).
@henrik borovsak, You're not wrong about your explanation but you are wrong about why he didn't master bladestorm. BM was lv 9. That means lv 3 windwalk and lv 3 crits. You still have 3 more lvs to master. Since he didn't use bladestorm, he might have mastered lv 3 mirrors and he didn't even use it. Not sure if he mastered bladestorm or not, but IMO, he should've used it at least once.
gold mines at the corners were forbidden??
how does this announcer keep missing that grubby had multiple expansions when he keeps saying he only has one...
What a match!!!
Are you swedish? You sound swedish as **** :)
german :)
As a Swede I've noticed that Germans and Swedes have a very similar English dialect.
@@Bobby.Kristensen i just realized that too now , both are kinda cringey but fine
War craft 2 for the win!. Im so old school I remember when WC1 came out. It was my first RTS. I would love a WAR2 remaster but it wont ever happen. O well.
I'm with you. That's two sigs on a petition. Lol.
Sad thing is they are going to gayify WC3 Remaster with WoWesque graphics... it's not going to be the same... just gay, colorful and cartoony.
@@duuuuuuuuuh135315 ya I liked how warcraft2 looked like. It was pretty much sc. WC3 is about to be WOW RTS. I guess it is still an RTs so could be fun game.
is there a reason grubby did not staff of silence and then bladestorm on the talons? it gives magic immunity so he would not have been tornado'd
+Jordan Mcevoy
He doesn't have enough mana due to dh's mana burn. He only has enough for a windwalk and he does not want to be mana burned again and lose everything.
I forgot about the beastmasters hawk, i was wondering why he didnt pop a mana potion and ult, but the hawk has true sight. so the threat of mana burn was relevant, my bad lol
See the post-match analysis: czcams.com/video/5yidT2D0rcY/video.html
Why not pop a mana potion then?
He could've used illusion to enter then a mana pot and bladestorm lol :v
Ah, back in a time when orc would never get to tier 3
"This base can not be killed because is... Dead already!"
Damn it, what a jewel of the internet we got here
Woah good game. Idk if bunch of talon can win against rider
Remo
"There is another building.... I'm missing so many buildings!"
You missed almost the whole game, man!
Awesome game anyway!
Grubby biggest mistake is that he didn't reveal second expansion of Moon
you dont say :D
there are more choices I would have taken otherwise (but hey.. i'm the noob)
- why didn't he chose to fight at his expansion when they had even supply and he was one expansion ahead?
- why did he SO many hero focus instead of playing with staff/raiders/BM against the druids?
- too much running away
Yes, he forced many portals but he could have picked so many druids one by one and moon had no opportunity (wind tree was missing nearly all the time) to rebuild.
no shit
That’s what you get for hoarding shekels.
grubby lost because of the sneaky elf base mining operation :-D
if he could just find it this game was ended much faster for grubby
what a game
Wow, this didn't age as well as I expected it to. Thats a lot of mistakes. Great gamae anyways!
Not a single Bladestorm or Big Bad Voodoo the entire game? L-E-G-E-N-D-A-R-Y.
Big bad voodoo invalid cuz cyclone would cancel it.... blade storm cuz he was 2 low on mana
For future reference... replay of the year cannot include mass cyclone.
Why didn't the blade get lightning orb? Seems like a huge mistake
Cancles hex if it purges
What's the map
i feel grubby threw that. amazing game.
Thank God they released patches haha
U dd gr8 congrats to both😊
How come BM never uses ult?
ulti costs mana, demon hunter burns mana. there is really no point in getting the ulti for Grubby, he probably just specced up his crit or windwalk
If i recall correctly Bladestorm cant be stunned, he could kill all the talons with just 1 bladestorm, he had the chances.
Very good question. I didn't even think about it.
Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and
so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if
you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc).
talons can fly guys......its just waste on mana
Grubby doesnt like Bladestorm that much, see the post-match analysis: czcams.com/video/5yidT2D0rcY/video.html
Nice game
When god fight !!!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
They didn't dissapoint
I just dont understand what Cyclone not gets countered by HeadHunters. If u have like 15 HH they cannot cyclone all of them...so you perma have a army to fight
I think you should get punished more for loosing heros.. that's kinda crap that moon lost his heros like 20 times and grubby lost both of his once and still lost.
Erm, he got punished by it by feeding the Orc an enourmous amount of exp, he was almost 10 in the end and sh high aswell. Also it is very very expensive to insta-revive (and you need to go in the middle), he could actually only do that so easy because grubby didn't scout/kill the expo as pointed out, DUH
cznt believe grubby never looked for tha expo
Someone here in 2020 ?
buy explosive goblins and the game over in 20 min
that mistake not scouting all the goldmines costed him the game
you need talon and Huntress,, not just Talon only omg moon ?
Why doesnt bm ultimate?
verydiao cuz of the cyclone ! And also mana cost
Very good question. I didn't even think about it.
Yea I think, because skilled opponent wll quickly spread its units and
so you won't deal much damage. It's really only good vs buildings or if
you ensnared everything (which he couldnt at the time, iirc).
edit: mana cost is a good point aswell and enemy has DH
@@danasauer2381 he was again and again silencing 14-15 talons and not to mention bladestorm has spell immunity and very mobility .... one good bladestorm was an easy win so he should have saved for it when moon/grubby TP to attack or defend
hard to tp without a greathall
Wow grubby lost this game with more total score. Just means that Blademaster isnt as strong as he should be. Should have more tenacity vs cyclone or something. The staff of silence did so much though so was quite a fair game. I think Grubby was unsure how to win and missed a win middle game though. Was certain moon lost after grubby won a huge fight mid game.
Moon the best
Please watch the minimap while commentating. I did like 17 facepalms in that match cuz halve ur sentences are just wrong or you just miss the action while it is blinking on the minimap :/
Moon could have killed the Bm twice I think, just slipped away