Female Narcissist Discarded - Her Reaction
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This guy is a role model of handling conversations with cluster Bs. I can only clap in admiration! He's a BOSS!!
Cluster Bs = cluster BS
Sorry, I'm a word nerd, sorry to expose you to the pun-ishment
Yet, if the cops were called, he would be in the hot seat, even with the audio.
@@joelp77440 yes and she would play the victim as they handcuff him off to the slammer!
Audio saved my bacon, they were all to ready to arrest me until I played it for them. ended up charging her.
My ex has been hauled out twice by the cops.. yet I'm the mental one.
She wanted to be the victim here saying she needed to study but this took place around 3am when she came home from a bar with her friend. She then wanted to push all my property out into the rain.
D P3 might have also cheated on you. Common to have multiple partners all thinking they the one 😂 then one main source of supply
D P3 I’m so sorry you’ve gone through this, especially knowing there is a child in the mix. Your heart is broken not just for the loss of the relationship and the knowledge that you can’t save the woman, but the knowledge that you can’t save the child, either.
I just wanted to say that my heart broke for you, hearing her selfish responses to you and the pain in your voice.
I hope you’re healing from this and will pray that you’re free and moving forward. You will find real love and you deserve real love.
Man I know what you are going through I was with a npd bpd person for over 12 years and I just feel like a shell of who I am I’m glad you on the path to healing
D P3 happened to me so many times same scenario, u literally wait in the window all night 3 or 4 times a week
😲🙁, gosh sorry, thats awful. i'd love an update. uh...so sad to hear & your little innocent child.
"None of my other boyfriends...blah, blah, blahhhh"
But NONE of them are your boyfriends anymore.....i wonder why that is?
SONIC FOXX MUSIC cause I dumped everyone of them for being to little to late To bad. His bad. Bye
Theresa Bryant Hikes are you the Narc in the video?
@@raheemmillner3695 I'm guessing so..
I love how they always bring up past relationships. Whether it be yours or theirs. When I'm dating someone, or in a serious relationship with someone, aside from giving a brief summary of my past and how certain ex's left me or hurt me, I never want to bring them into my new relationship. Cluster B's seem to constantly be comparing or competing with ex relationships. Clearly they aren't over whatever they went through with those ex's and must assume you carry the same emotional baggage? I'd never been with someone who talked more about past relationships than I had with my Cluster B ex. Red Flag for sure!!
The only time I did that was immediately after my Cluster B ex discarded me and I tried to get into a new relationship. I was clearly damaged. It wasn't healthy and I felt terrible about what I was doing to the girl, so I ended things.
I guess it's just modus operandi for them. When I'm with someone I like or eventually love, they're the only person that matters. My ex's are ex's. Period.
She sounds like a borderline for sure.
Oh my goodness, this is so on point!! My ex Narc would literally talk for hours and we would get nowhere! That is why I began the grey rock method and he feels like he had the bigger part in the break up.
They always do then they’ll tell everyone that you were the toxic or crazy one. It’s f’d up. Zero responsibility taken by them...ever.
Atleast they were trying to comunicating. My ex male narcissist say a few words to trigger me and he shuts down. There is no comunication at all make you almost beg him to talk and try get a resolution...but no. He won't even try to get couples counselor together.
Exactly my words for 15 years 'It's always Explanations and Never Conversation'
You would get nowhere. She would fill her batteries while sucking up your life.
It would be very easy for a narc to make a recording of their victim in a state of distress and have them looking like the narc.
EXACTLY!!! The man is the narcissist here, no question!!
kuunami I was thinking that too
Yes!!! Exactly right. He is the narc!!
Hes at the narcissist discard phase. He is being calm and acting like he does not care, it's all her fault, he is gaslighting her!
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There was no context?? How about the fact that he pointed out her past behavior with being combative, verbally abusive, daughter repeating words she repeatedly speaks in front of her child, her destroying his property in the past, the fact that she lied to her mother about having to study at 3 A.M. after coming back from a bar. How about the context wherein she never accuses him of being combative, never accuses him of destroying her property, never accuses him of being verbally abusive around her daughter. How about the context clue that he feels it’s necessary to record this conversation due to past threats she has made. How about the context clue where she states she’s going to call the police if he doesn’t leave then calls her mother and her mother understands she’s overreacting and she gets upset with her mother ...her mother I’m sure has had to deal with her in the past , how about the fact that she wants him to leave then spends a long period of time attempting him to understand why he needs to stay and asking him why... when he clearly states it’s because she’s verbally abusive, combative, lies, kicks him out every chance she gets, accuses him of cheating if he doesn’t immediately text back when she wants, destroys his property , and has threatened to leave his property out in the rain. Are any of those context clues
The one thing a narcissist is most afraid of is rejection and abandonment, that is kryptonite to them
No they feed off of rejection and they never admit they need help
@@musicmyaja4943 no they absolutely do not feed off rejection, the number one fear for a narcissist is rejection and abandonment, that is their worst fear!
@@musicmyaja4943 did you have a narcissistic EX?
This is the same conversations I would have with my ex wife and now my ex girlfriend. These people won't own their shit and keep confusing you, changing stories and then blaming you. Boy this sounds like me. What I could not stand though are the lies and the gaslighting.
Dude, bad record. You need to go celibate 😂
@@JuxtaPositionings Or actually work on his unresolved childhood issues.
Facts! The key thing is that they cling on their trauma and live in the past. In my situation my ex tried to dump the sins of her abusive relationships on me and it happened right after an amazing night of dancing and I saw the truth. Lied on and betrayed by a con. It definitely was a lesson.
God, I hate narcissists. They do so much damage and then hide behind their rage. They blame externalize to anyone, but themselves. It's always about them. My exhusband was a master at this. He will go to his death bed never taking responsibility for his own action. He is on to wife number 3, poor girl.
"that's verbal abuse!" Wow! The guy is a role model!
Damn I'm tearing up from listening to this. Just went thru this exact scenario this weekend. I called her bluff and went gray rock and it worked.
What's gray rock?
Light Mama It’s when the victim gives back simple 1 word responses and no longer feeds them the emotional reactions that they need to survive. Gray rock method is simple monotone “yes”, “no”, I don’t know.” Its keeping a stone face and not taking any of the verbal bait they throw your way. It drives them crazy because they’ve once deemed us as grade A supply and now they can’t get a second of our attention. It starves the demon inside and it doesn’t take long.
@@danielfromconnecticut684 i tried this and almost died lol be careful when you gray rock
I just discarded a female narc this year, (fake friendship) glad I’m done with her! Good riddance & thank God He gave me eyes to see :) thanks Michele
Jazz A anyone who discards a person is also a narcissist themselves.
@@cmetube Utter nonsense. I discarded my ex before she discarded me for the 5th time. I was awake to her abuse this time... She tried to destroy me, nearly killed me...i say that with benefit of hindsight, because I did love her very much. Pure evil. I was even caring for my ill mother at the time. Didn't matter to her
@@cmetube and how did you come to that conclusion?
Same damn story here too mate
This is just like my ex-girlfriend. She's textbook covert narcissist with borderline personality disorder.
Same
Yeah I feel the borderline here. So dramatic to get attention and don’t leave me act
Y’all are falling into that hole where you diagnose women with BPD who are truly Narcissists. BPDs freak out and feel genuine emotion and will apologize profusely and beg and admit they’re the shitty one. Narcissists are like her. They don’t apologize, they fake cry, they project, they fake hyperventilate etc. but they will NEVER get help. Borderlines are always looking for help. They are miserable and know it.
@@saysHotdogs No, mine was both.
Being single is stress free and BS free. Noooooo Thank You to relationships.
He was discarding with a qualifier. The fact she allowed him to speak is more than I got.
Seriously, and the fact she didn't interrupt virtually every time he started a thought/sentence. Not to mention, she wasn't consistently raising her voice and then saying things like "This is why it'll never work," "Don't ever talk to me again," "You're so difficult," etc. Def don't miss that drama...
@@NigelJ I got the blame shifting all the time. Sucked.
@@propagandatechniques May you be free from all that toxicity!
@@NigelJ Thank you. I have some negative affect reciprocity guilt I will coin "supernova guilt" I'm trying to manage. I think it's getting better though through much prayer and work on restructuring my disturbed identity. This lady helped make a better man out of me, no matter what, mostly since I went no contact and regained the ability to start reconnection with myself. It's been difficult with nobody really to talk with who I can trust though. My own loved ones know the truth, the few left, but I still don't trust anyone too much after seeing how some people can flip. That's been really weird. I need to gain everything internally but also need to reconnect socially with others. I haven't even wanted to walk down the street. I used to walk all the time. Fear of triggers I think.
I hope I will emerge closer to God than ever, stronger, wiser, and more understanding of her and others with similar traits.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him [or her]" (Fyodor Dostoevsky).
@@propagandatechniques Anytime, & I completely relate regarding her making a better man out of you, as my ex helped identify deep wounds within me that would've otherwise never been discovered. So while these kind of relationships are extremely painful for the empath when they come to an end, they are blessings in disguise because ultimately we come out stronger than ever. Obviously, we have to put in the work to get to that point, which is more or less ongoing, but it's all worth it. I 100% relate to you on having trust issues with others, but it does gradually get better. We are just much more aware of red flags now & much more guarded with disclosing info to just anybody. Visualize yourself emerging stronger, wiser, and more understanding on a daily basis, & you will eventually get there! Wish you the best man & yes, even though we were the ones to endure the brunt of the hurt during the relationship, it feels like a slap in the face to realize all the additional difficult work we must sift through after the relationship. However, take it as a compliment because not all individuals have the fortitude to do that internal work & make it out on the other side.
Interesting to hear clearly the Narcissist Playbook being played.
I’d say more bpd
Holy cow!! The narc that discarded me brought her mom over as well!!! Her mom joined right in on the verbal abuse and they both went to town until I finally got all of my things out
I hope this led to her getting the help she needed, and she didn't hurt herself or anyone else. The guy handled himself well. Good on him!
I know what this girl is going through. I was bad like her but at the time I was getting help. I’m doing a lot better now.
How are you doing now?
What caused you to self reflect? I hope you're doing well and realize what triggers you to lash out -- I have real compassion for those who get in this cycle. My partner used to do it a few times a week, he's better now, it's still a work in progress.
This video so closely represents my conversations w my (male) partner that I have chills down my spine. Thank you so much, subscriber, for posting this. I pray that you and your child are in a better place than this and healing. I’m still in the thick of it but this encourages me to know I’m not alone, to respond more the way you did and also to possibly look more into the cluster B thing. Thank you again subscriber and Michelle. Very helpful
It's Demons. This guy is handling her so well but I feel the stress and pain of it all.
You are so right in that analysis. I came to that con lusion when x wife was asked to leave the house because of her nonsense bdhaviour. There has to be some kind of spiritual aspect to it
You are right in that. These folks target spiritual people who have been brought up with decency and truth. After dating these ladies , you will be spiritually bankrupt
It's the Jezebel spirit. The sad part is the truly don't see they are being controlled by it. Main reason the narcissist can never feel guilt for their actions
Wow, if only I could have recongnized cause I'm trying to build myself back up, thankfully I never had sex with my narc
Your comment is actually,quite close.
This gives me a *very strong* borderline personality disorder vibe
That one guy yes I agree ☝️
Nah this is fake. Borderlines are far more emotionally broken she would’ve been genuinely freaking out. She’s faking all this shit she’s a straight up narcissist
Mande Gianfala Could be both. Borderline and Narcissism are highly comorbid.
Yes.
I agree.
Absolutely agree. Borderlines are far more histrionic and emotional. Narcissists are not. A narcissist wouldn't be having this kind of conversation. A borderline/unstable personality disorder...yes.
This is a heart to heart conversation with a narcissist. It's horrible.
He told her he loved her, that he doesn't really want to leave and it will cost him a lot of money but, that he is tired of her behavior and gives an example.
She doesn't want him to leave but, can offer NOTHING to assure him that she even loves him, for one. She can't change and I'll bet the word counseling scares her. Or, psychiatrist.
Why was she going to call the police exactly? So, when he was gone she could hide his stuff and sell it probably. All the fake sobbing, was quite dramatic. But, utterly a great performance.
corrolla she was going to call the police to get me to leave her house. She lives in an investment home that belongs to her affluent mother.
creator that’s exactly what I am going through.
he's RECORDING IT.. Do you actually think his reactions are authentic when he knows he's recording it ? Def not. She is also, clearly a Borderline Personality. Narcs are not mentally unstable like this - they are cold as ice and make everything your fault. It's not the same.
@@ALISONAWILSON Unless you've been in that situation, it's hard to appreciate how much self restraint & discipline this man is exercising, regardless if he's recording or not. He clearly has come to a point where he knows it's fruitless to react because it leads to an even longer, prolonged argument/misunderstanding, which wastes hours, causes massive cognitive dissonance, & leaves the individual floating in limbo & ultimately questioning themselves/the truth. When you're literally at a crossroads in your relationship & have come to understand/accept that your partner will not take accountability for their actions & therefore will have no incentive to even considering altering their behaviors, it's downright devastating as it's someone you cared for, gave your heart to, & envisioned a future with. Who knows how many times he's poured his heart out to her, only to be met with a similar response provided in this video. Regardless of what cluster B disorder she may have, bottom line is she's toxic! Not to mention, she may have feigned emotion, but she was cold, playing the victim syndrome repeatedly, & blame shifting throughout. Lastly, on a lighter note, if you truly believe narcs aren't mentally unstable, perhaps you haven't watched/listened to the current President of the US ;)
@Alison he talked about her being combative, being verbally abusive, lying, destroying things. She never pointed out him being combative, destroying property, being verbally abusive. Those are context clues you might have missed. If you haven’t been in a relationship with a cluster b then it would be a little harder for you to understand why he’s actually recording.
Is that my ex? Sounds exactly like her, says the same things and fake cries. Exept my ex is swedish ...
I'm like this also
Omg. Its like deja Vu right.
He is a strong man and his emotions are so clear and pure. I totally want him to know he will be an amazing person for someone else and that a person that constantly tries to unbalance him and throw him under the bus is undeserving of him.
“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
This video has helped me tremendously. I have asked my fiance to leave because after discovering she is a narcissist my anxiety is at an all time high. And I am rarely anxious about anything. Almost two years and never one apology, never accepting responsibility for disagreements, silent treatments, disdain, smear campaigns, lack of empathy and on and on. I was listening to her voice on the video in awe as I recognized the same patterns and blame shifting, irrelevant topics and low low empathy towards ANYTHING he said.
My level of understanding has dramatically increased. Thank you so very much
If he is the one taping this convo, then he's in control because he is taping this.
Probably because court would be on her side if he didn't record
This hurts, this has been my life for the past year. I've had this argument almost word for word😢
Try 25 years. My kids are gone now. Just waiting for my advantage to leave.
Get out while you can. I've just finally gotten rid of mine and trust me, they have live in delusion.
You could ask them what color is the sky, they'll say green. You tell them it's blue. They'll punch you in the face and say you told them it was green.
It's that inane dealing with one
@@byronnorth5051 I'm at 20 yrs and still have 1 more kid in high school. I've stuck it out because I wanted the shit to come down on me and not my oldest son. It's pure evil
My narcissist tries to record me and he's always the calm collected one when he does. I'm at the point that im freaking out and crying when he decides to do it.
leave his arse
How do we know this isn't occurring in this recording. Idk he sounds cold... passive
I can hear that fake crying from a mile away lol
100% crocodile tears
@@jacksmith4460 rather: immature/hyperventilating hysteria
If it is BPD, those tears are probably real. People with BPD experience INTENSE rejection and it is very painful for them.
Some random youtube channel sounds like panic
This is the fakest, worst “crying” ever!! She is trying hard, but NO she’s a horrible actress!
She sounds broken and overwhelmed. He sounds premeditated in his demeanor.
By the time I finally left I was as toxic as he was. I lost my mind and lashed back in defense to make him stop and back off long enough to get my feet under me.
I absorbed a lot of toxic behavior bc I had no idea any other type of person existed. With awareness I've been able to take self accountability but it's so easy to get lost in what behavior started what when every story is twisted somewhere. It's all illogical
Yes it is premeditated but that doesn't mean malicious. When you're being abused you have to premeditate an exit strategy and prepare for the retaliation and manipulation from the abuser.
I was in the same situation as this guy a year ago and am still feeling the pain. I went about things a bit differently though. I actually went to the police in advance the day before I planned to leave. I expected the worse and knew that she had kicked out her last partner who I noticed still has some of his stuff in the house. So I can fully understand about wanting to get all your stuff out in one piece. This is why a lot of people do it while they are out. It's not to be cold. It's simply to avoid a lot of pain and headache. I myself decided to tell her straight up that I was leaving but it got messy. She even got her parents involved which costed me a nervous breakdown. I managed to get my shit and get out eventually though. It took all the strength I had. The hardest thing was the fact that I still loved her back then and even now. It's incredibly hard with a covert narcissist because the abuse is so subtle. It makes you question the relationship over and over, especially when you think of the good times. I don't know how I've maintained no contact for so long
I think we all go through the stage of "maybe it was me. Maybe I am actually a POS. Maybe I should just give up" but it's important to move past that and realise YOU DID NOTHING WRONG.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 good to know. Especially when they gaslight you.
Thry purposely hold on to thing to try and establish contact again and possibly use to bargain...the worst bargaining tool a narc can have is children. They are possessions and objects to them.
I've left a whole household just to be free.
Thank you for this. It clarified a lot of things for me, as I am still plagued with self doubt all these years later. I would just like to say to anyone going through this, that it does get better, and you are not alone
Yes, always always ALWAYS have a secret escape plan and call the police or your possessions will be trashed
Oh my God , lol this is exactly how my Narcissistic gf behaved. He handled it just like I did. I told her to get her own apartment and she said we wont make it if we're not living together. So she moved out and blocked me after I helped her move and she even tried to hug and kiss me before she blocked me lol
Wholly trigger warning. Wow. He handled it well.
Yes I agree, he gave a very good example of how to handle the situation
He was well coached or made up his mind that was it and no matter what, he wasn't.going.to take the bait, manipulations, etc. Bravo!
Sounds like my recordings except with her yelling and/or belittling me. And yes, very triggering.
I think he's the Narc. When he says he doesn't necessarily think they are breaking up, just at the point where she calms down and says, okay, we should break up as it's not working out, he's says he is just moving out, not necessarily breaking up...that's gaslighting !!! I would put money on it that she went out to the bar for some important celebration...her birthday, or graduation, or promotion at work, or her friends finally planned a reunion night out, or similar. She came home to THIS because he just had to ruin it for her. The not breaking up break up Yep...he's the Narc.
I wish I had saved my recordings
We're lucky to be out of this madness
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They always have to have the last word. Just hearing her voice is condescending.
I learned to let him have the last word. I realized that did not make him right.
So is he
This doesn't sound like a narcissist.. they aren't emotional, they don't have empathy. This woman is a clearly Borderline Personality - she is mentally unstable. It's similar to narcissism but not the same. However, I don't think you can totally blame it on her, you do not know the dynamic and they fact that this guy is recording her.. well no wonder he sounds so calm and collected. Do you actually think he would be freaking out while he records it? I do believe HE is also a Narc, he is using this to gaslight this woman and talk in this calm/collected way. I think both of these people are on the spectrum.
I agree. Something is off here.
I agree. My ex did exactly what this guy is doing. And being in a relationship with a narcissist for many years... a normal person ends up scared of rejection and acts that feeling out. The narcissist soul ties you and makes you addictive and wanting their love. The way this guy talks is also gaslighting.
Best comment I've read on here by far, excellently said my lovely!!!!! Spot on Xxxxxxxxxx
My husband harassed me on the phone for 18 HOURS, threatening to kill himself. I asked for space, because he would never respect my boundaries (I could only have space if I was in our bedroom sick). Called me every name in the book. Tried saying anything to hurt me. Then he contacted my ex abuser (ex of 6yrs at the time).... I started getting harrassed by both of them. I started recording calls after that. Maybe this guy is going through the same? Oh, husband was admitted for three days at a mental hospital, he swore up and down he "wasn't suicidal"...even tho the cops pried him off the 5th tallest bridge in America...
@@G3ntleChaos wow that's crazy sweetheart!!!! Makes my sorry story of cheating an lies from my man looks bloody tame! Hope it's ok to ask but are you still with this man? It must have been terrible for you. I bet this sort of thing goes on alot in life for both male and female, it's kind of refreshing to read other peoples journeys and not feel so alone 🙏 xxxxxxxxxx
My female narc loved to bring up my past (relationships, etc.) But when I did that too her those things we're off limits. "How dare you throw that in my face!" 5 minutes later, she's picking apart my past failures...
After three years of telling me he was leaving, he finally left. I wanted it this way. I knew if he left and got everything he owned (he did, but it took almost 5 years) and I told him at the door, (he had left me many times over our 28 years of marriage, but I was finally done with it. The children were old enough, and it was time to let go of wasted years of trying to love someone who couldn't be loved, at least not by me. I told him: "You leave me this time, I'm not taking you back," I knew he would finally know that we would never be together again, and that he was the one who decided to leave. I was totally calm, and helped him get the boxes and pack his stuff, and helped him load his truck up. I was good about it. Him leaving me was everything I could have ever hoped for in this relationship.
OMG was this ever helpful. It was especially interesting that her voice was so innocent and meek. This tone implies empathy. Yet her words or lack of them indicate just the opposite. I needed to see this video. It so validates my experience.
These recordings are absolute gold!! Pure malignant BPD exposed
This poor tormented girl. Best of luck to the guy. The first blame shifting is always my major red flag. Then the verbal abuse convo is the SAME convo I have haha. Interesting how narcs are like a broken record. Like they forget the hours of repeated convos. We all just want to be happy...ESPECIALLY when children are involved.
Wow, the way that fake crying just flips over to narcissistic rage and blame shifting...just insane.
This video is absolutely spot-on. I'm going through a divorce with a narcissist I am a male. This is exactly how every conversation went. I told her how I felt and how our marriage is going. She called me a f****** P**** multiple times. I actually have her own video telling me that. I can't do anything right in her eyes I pretty much gave her the work. We haven't even been married a year yet. A week after being married she told me she wanted a divorce in front of all my friends. Wow this video is exactly what I went through.
The guy knows it's being recorded so He would keep it together . I get the impression she doesn't know
And I think maybe he’s the narcissistic one
@@chanteltailford4807 how
Listening to this was painful.. My ex discarded me, and as I'm listening to this I can see how I may not have reacted in the most healthy way (I've been going to a psychologist and had all my feelings and reactions validated so that's not the point), but this guy just reminds me so much of me.
"Why did you stay in this relationship?"
-"Because I love you."
"And why did I stay in this relationship? Because I love you. Yes I do."
-"You certainly don't show it".
This is exactly how I felt with my ex. She said she loved me, even up until the day of discarding me and then proceeding to act like I was nothing to her with the push of a button. With the flick of a switch she had replaced me with another guy (that I encouraged her to make friends with because she was so toxic and couldn't keep friends, go figure lmao) and didn't even care to show me even a modicum of respect and decency. Time and time again I admitted my faults and tried to work on my issues and be a better boyfriend and fiancé, but she would never. And even if she admitted faults somehow I ended up making promises to change. The constant gaslighting, lying and manipulation. Saying I'm raising my voice at her, saying I am getting angry etc. It was all projection. The constantly missing the point and steering the conversation away from actually getting somewhere, to just falling back into her berating me for some nonsense she invented in her mind just to control the narrative. I thought I was going crazy. Actually, for a time there I thought I was crazy and so lucky to have her in my life, little did I know that she was the sole reason for me being miserable and crazy.
She cheated, and I ended up apologizing. She hit me, and I felt bad because she got sad when I pointed it out to her (as if she wasn't aware she was hitting me..). She guilt tripped me into leaving her the apartment and moving countries and she wouldn't even let me take my own damn pillow with me. Just years of crazy stuff and abuse and I never quite realized it until I was away from her for a month or so. I feel so unbelievably sorry for her. And she probably doesn't, and hasn't, thought of me for more than a couple of seconds since she discarded me. It is truly "out of sight, out of mind" for her.
And even with all this, a part of me desperately wants her back in my life. That is a part of me I need to drown, to kill. Or it will kill me.
We promised each other we would stay in each others lives and stay friends. Even with everything she did I meant to keep that promise and it would have been. so. damn. easy. for her to just show me a sliver of empathy (which, admittedly, she claimed not to feel for anyone) and respect and we could've remained in each others lives. But no. That was just too much to ask. I helped her with university stuff, I helped her with ideas of jobs and sorting out the apartment situation and tried to be a good man even though she treated me with disrespect. And she couldn't care less about my situation. She tried to use my paypal account (multiple times) and she refused to refund me or answer me. I could've had her accounts banned and could have cancelled the apartment contract instead of letting her take it over. She'll never know I had the power to make her homeless, but instead went out of my way to help her out. All for nothing.
Goddamn you baby. Goddamn you.
Typing out this comment (and tens, if not a hundred just like it) helps me organize the chaos I've been through. If you read this for whatever reason, thank you.
Very difficult to hear but extremely helpful. Thank you and thanks to the subscriber for sharing. 🙏
He's handling it very well. She's crying but I feel sorry for HIM.
@Spencer Stone no its not. You can't fake that. So yes I feel sorry for him.
@Spencer Stone great
I’m not convinced that he is the innocent man that he so calmly seems to be. He’s discarding her, gaslighting her, it was his opportunity to video tape her because he got her to react to his crazy making.
Agree, this video is gaslighting.
damn they're crazy always call the police
Thank you Lord for that recording. I have one of my own when I eventually told my ex narc wife to pack her bags and leave the marital home asap. I literally poked a sleeping dragon when I did that. I wish I could send you my recording which is 10 times worse than that. I had 2 boys with this lady and that was the worst thing I ever did in my life because they had to witness nonsense all the time. I would be called "stupid fucking n....., asshole,peace of shit, you n... stink" in front of my kids, who by the way are blasian. I was sent to court and had to fight to regain my reputation because I was labeled the child abuser, drunken irresponsible dad that was a danger to my kids. The judge did not buy her antics and awarded me 50% custody so that I got the kids Sunday to Wednesday on the days that they have most of the schooling. When judge read the dissolution judgement and the fact that I would not have to pay child support, alimony etc..... she stormed out of court and I was the one left standing with her lawyer, even opening the doors and helping the same lawyer that was fighting to screw me over.
The worst betrayal though for me was spiritual. I was kicked out of church and ostracized for years. No one would talk to me when I went to church and I know that she character asssinated me there all the time. When in court and asking her to work out a schedule so that I could go to church some of the times with the boys, her response was that I would never , ever go with the boys to church. Now what sort of Christian says that????.That's when it finally sank to me that I was in a spiritual battle with cold and heartless forces. It's still hard for me though to open up to my brothers and sisters in church after my ordeal. It's difficult to trust people that turned their backs on you when you needed them the most.
I am a proud single dad now and am coming up to three years Narc free. One thing I must mention though is that I find that my situation has made me more attractive to the ladies, because unlike many black dudes, I take responsibility and everything revolves around my kids. So I hit a soft spot with the ladies but when I analyze all of them I come up to one conclusion. .....They are all narcs. I am a Narc magnet, that is why I am staying out of that dating scene for now.
Thank you so much for that video as it is just what I went through
Stay strong bro.. Respect.
So many narcs. they shoukd be in a hospital or jail. it's criminal how they treat people. my narc saod he boxed up my stuff nicely. he lied. he broke my things and gave them away. it took me over 3 years to get my stuff. I didn't get it all. Sickos! I hope this guy finds a nice girl and me a nice guy.
@@SaltyDogPerformance Ugh, that is SO EVIL. What an awful woman.
Many narc victims are in hospital or jail. Yes these things happen too.
Really? Wow.
Thank you Michele! This is so instructive! He managed so well! Thank you! I did some things like he did. But everything was always my fault...still is. So sad.
The narcissist never takes any blame - I'm so sorry for what you went through
ReettaElina my ex wife literally accused me of everything.
Histrionic, manipulation, hyper-ventilating, sobbing and hysterics... *TOXIC.* Then instantly calm and tactical. *DOUBLE TOXIC.* This chick is just polluted. Great analysis, Michelle. JESUS, the baby is saying, "Fuck you, David!" Time to go dude. I don't think this guy should have ever even told her he was leaving, he should have done it with nary a word to anyone. Women like this can take their unpredictability to a whole other level, throwing herself against the wall, mirror, hitting herself, cutting herself, etc.
AnAmericanMan I was trying to leave secretly the next morning while she was at Saturday college all day. Unfortunately she found a piece of paper in the back of my college chemistry book that had my new apartment address on it so she burst into the room where I was sleeping and repeatedly hit me in the back of the head about 8x. As soon as she stopped and I realized I might not make it out alive, I began recording to have some evidence for police if it escalated.
Well summed up regarding her issues
Eek! Who is the narcissist here? He doesn’t communicate with her about the relationship and he gives her the silent treatments. Hmmm?
YEP!!! This is insane!!
Agreed! This is VERY upsetting!
I think you are really wrong on this one. He is contradicting himself and gaslighting. “I didn’t say that I wanted to break up with you.” Yet at the beginning... he was breaking up with her. 🤔 And I have been in a relationship where my narcissist had a girlfriend for a year before I found out and when he moved out he said I shouldn’t change anything and we were “still together” but he was going to stay with his male friend. To find out more than two months later what had been happening and he could easily have made a recording like this and I’m sure has to make me seem illogical. They hide their lies well and will use a site like this to further mutilate their victim. I hear a woman confused, in pain, distraught, and trying to be fair and make sense of it. She can’t because what HE is doing doesn’t make sense. I’m sorry if you can’t hear that. That’s why narcissism is so scary. It’s easy to be the victim and portrayed as the problem. I feel sorry for her. I hope that he didn’t mess up her big exam... only a narcissist would choose timing like that. Why did you help him by making a video about it?? That’s cruel.
He never said he was breaking up with her. He said he was moving.
I couldnt handle much... too raw... I remember this too clearly... He is a hero I cant believe how well he handles
For real! I wish I could have handled shit this well. My ex completely broke me into bits and I was a wreck. It's now been about 8 years and I am doing WAY better. I had to do lots of work on myself!
My husband who is a narc says I need to stop watching these videos 😂 he doesn’t want me to learn more about it. I did tell him that he is a narcissist and he that didn’t go well.
Marie he isn't gonna change and in my case hindsight tells me I should have kept my mouth shut and said nothing to her.
They don't deserve that much energy and when they have knowledge it is not used to help themselves see that we love them enough to give them opportunity to change.
Instead they use the knowledge against us and go into full all out nuclear weapon mode of conflict. They burn all bridges leaving the earth scorched in their wake when discarding us first.
They orchestrate a preemptive strike on us without regard for us at all leaving us without closure in confusion and mental anguish.
Their lack of concern is hard to understand when they've told you they love you with all their heart every day for decades.
I can't take any more of her love, I'm done.
How do you know you're not one
Yikes, my ex that still is in my life found out I was watching these videos and didn't like it at all, literally every day I'd lothe coming home because I knew there would be an argument that leads nowhere n would chip away at my soul, n when the knowledge of my trying to heal n become the man I know I am was out in the open, she would literally get on another level of devaluing me because I was calling her out on the blame shifts, gaslighting n what not, I just observed and grey rocked, but I'm sure you know it's not easy.
Good luck to you n be strong.
We had same situations...I didn't get my stuff at first but I had to move later... to get all (well,..not all, but so I can manage with no money...) and pretend that I am not leaving...it was so abusive and bad to suffer alone with children in that mess
The crying allways gets me back. Im 100% im leaving and then she starts crying and im like maybe its my fault..
I think I'm going to have to go half and half on this 'recording'.
When someone is recording a conversation, they would be very careful to make sure they are calm and they are level headed one over the other person.
I think we should be weary of sent in recordings because of the simple fact that the one recording knows he/she is recording and its very easy to make themselves look like the one who hasn't/isn't the problem.
I agree in the statements concerning the girlfriend but I am in disagreement with the 'so called' boyfriend who could possibly have acted the exact opposite in old situations and disagreements and who isn't really taking any responsibility in the difficult times in their relationship either.
Whether your in a relationship with a narsassic personality or not, we all have a level of blame ourselves in relationships.
This does not excuse what she has done or how she is acting but if we are going to nitpick at her reacting a certain way when finding out her boyfriend is moving out without her knowledge and getting upset is a little overboard.
My point is, be weary of a man who premeditated this recording and decides to record this at a very hard, not knowing what hit ya kindof situation and sends it in....
If you ask me, a narcissist would premeditate that, make himself look like the calm and rational one, send it into a utube audience and feel fulfilled doing it.
Just because someone is reacting like her in this conversation doesn't make her a narcissist...
Sorry, just my opinion and I kept an open mind for both parties.
So true!
Has anyone listened to the second video he recorded, when she jumped right into the next relationship and he is trying to get her back? In that video, he sounds like a full-blown narcissist to me - future faking of the finest...
It's so hard to tell who is the narc here because they are so good at flipping the script! We dont know what's went on so for all we know she is tired and depleted and he has been the narc all along. He knew he was recording so naturally he will be on his best behavior. Mine tried this af ter watching videos about themselves they are even more cunning and are only learning how to act or not act and manipulate better. Mine did this do well I would get so upset but now since being away I'm myself again. They stuck out your light and give you their darkness. They are demon possessed and in agreement with darkness so can go back and forth between the both of you since you have soul ties. When mine recorded me it was at a point I was done and he wouldnt stop harassing and I told him I dont care anymore and leave me alone. He said see that's the real you come on let it out. You never cared I knew it. At that point I just didnt care what anyone thought anymore and said you want to call me crazy will be crazy. It really makes them mad when now instead of getting upset or trying to defend myself I say I never said I wasn't what's your point lol? It's too exhausting to deal with these people. Makes you into a person you wouldnt normally be under normal circumstances
This is totally frightening.
When they want out first, they keep the power, and THAT is at core issue of this personality cluster: a powerless, maladapted child who is in control of adult forces beyond their control. It's like a five-year-old driving a semi truck...it ends badly.
Disturbing how she cries "woman victim" to get Mom to call the dogs.
Omg! The endless, pointless, circular, nonsensical, total fkn bullshit conversations. You don't realize how much of your precious life you give away for nothing. You make perfectly logical, calm, points where you present a win-win result but the narc won't have it. I wasted 25 years. Please run, now, and save your own life. Bless you Michelle! I listen to you every day. You have much wisdom and courage!
Currently devastated. Saw my ex-narcissist recently, haven't spoken to her in two and a half years and she had me believing for a week that she acted the way she did because she had anxiety. I was out with our mutual friend at McDonalds (he has seen me go through the whole ordeal, he knows she is a narc but stays friends with her) while he was at the table I was waiting for my food, and my ex walks in and sits with him. (Shit, I have to sit on that table next to them) My blood was racing, So I sat down and she asked rather sarcastically how I was. The chat didn't lead anywhere so she left, saying goodbye to my friend(and didn't order any food). A few minutes later she came back in and said to me "I need to know, why do you hate me so much" Her expression had changed from a shy smile to a heartbroken little girl.
So I told her the reason I was so cross was that she left me out, and discarded me. Last time I spoke to her I was quite vile towards her, I was so cross at how she had treated me, our mutual friends and her ex partners and she didn't take it well and blocked me. I have since learned about Narcissism and never had the opportunity to talk to her with the amount of awareness that I have now, I felt indestructible but I did feel as if I had made a genuine mistake, because she acknowledged and apologized for how she was and all the mistakes she made with me and that she had an anxiety problem that she couldn't let anyone in and there was nothing I could have done to help. It did leave me feeling like it might have been the reason for her behavior all along, and maybe I had overreacted. She left saying "I think that's pretty much it" we both apologized, and she left the restaurant whilst my friend and the other customers had been listening in!
After spending two and a half years trying to cut her out of my heart, she opened up a wound that I thought was healed, and got me thinking maybe I got her wrong, that she wasn't a Narc and that maybe she missed me and wanted to be friends again. But when I sent her a written apology via text and offered to meet up again to talk to her properly she declined. She still has be blocked on her social media. She ended the chat with "I think the talk was fine, I don't think there is anything more to say, lets just agree we are both different people and the past is in the past". I don't know what she was trying to achieve that night, was she hoovering, was she trying to lure me back in, or trying to have the last say...
All I know is that I let my guard down and gave into her by contacting her(which I swore to myself I would never do). She made me think the person I thought she was in the beginning was coming back, that maybe we could work on things and move forward together. Now I'm left with the same dead end, and I feel like life was playing a cruel joke on me.
OMFG This is EXACTLY what I went through trying to break up with my ex girlfriend. (the argument part).
It's funny he said the same things to her I had to say, which is that there was no point in talking anymore because it just goes in circles and circles and they always try to put it on and villainize is.
Having just walked away now only about two weeks ago I needed to hear this to keep me in remembrance that I made the right decision.
omg you hear this at 5:00 she's deploying every trick in the book. Being all theatrical, uncontrolled breathing, villifying the guy. I've experienced this exactly.
So intense! Flashbacks! Reminds me of an ex girlfriend who constantly threatened to throw my record collection out the window and my ex wife who constantly threatened to divorce me who I ended up divorcing after 10 years of torture.
He should have waited till the movers came in the morning,then told her,he was leaving..
Sounds exactly like my ex. Shifting the blame to me for her cheating on me with her ex from the beginning, trying to point out that she wanted out first because I made her life hell, accusing me of throwing objects when I just dropped it on the floor, faking pregnancy as a last ditch attempt to make me doubt my decision to leave her, putting up happy looking photos of her with her ex to in an attempt to cause me more pain, telling me she's never had arguments like this with any of her ex's, she can't even handle looking at photos of me and my ex gf yet she's ok with cheating on me behind my back, endless lies to cover up her cheating
"I'm sorry *you're* paranoid. I'm sorry that's so hard for you."
-my Narc ex after I explained why I was so worried that she was moving on behind my back (she was)
Wow. I love and really apreciate these recordings. They help me to not only spot toxic behaviour in others but also myself so I can correct it. We are all capable of being toxic and I never want to be the reason someone leaves my life.
This is definitely the dialogue with my wife. It has to be her idea to be valid. And she can act out violently and it's my fault. Any historical examples I can give in an argument are not valid if I don't have it on tape or recorder. It's just talking in circles so I shut down.
I know just how you feel. Yes, yes, and yes. This was my relationship for so long! Also he "had to" punch the car/wall/door, but I wasn't allowed to show any negative emotions or raise my voice, ever.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. I hope you can heal and get out of the relationship.
This is exactly how my ex reacted the day after she hit me. I decided to leave because I had lived with her for a month and we fought constantly. I would NOT give any ground on the things she was saying to me. She said the same stuff about "this isn't what you do to someone you love".
I wasn't leaving her completely, I was just moving back home. When I finally ended it - I told her that we needed space and that we had to hold on the engagement. In order for things to get back to being good she needed to decide to go to counseling or she would need to examine her actions and hopefully she'll come back to me buuuuuut she didn't.
She texted me a couple days later to tell me we were done and would never come back from this and that she couldn't be with someone who would say they love someone but abandon them.
omg I had the same reaction from MY OWN MOTHER some years ago..she (as she told me years later fake-) calling the police, that I should instantly leave HER house with no reason whatsoever.
honestly, my mother argues THE EXACT SAME WAY, all these things with raising my voice when in fact she is mean and cursing, the illogical, the I am the guilty one.... etc. EXACT SAME.
also the zero empathy and the focussing on not important stuff.. i swear to you it's like hearing my mother talkin English here. and especially the minimizing and not admitting ANYTHING
my mother never apologized for anything EVER.
Narcissistic parents have that tendency to kick their children out of their house...it's awful, sorry you had to go through that
From Surviving To Thriving!! yes especially since she used ME as an excuse to build this huuuge house in the first place, she always told me 'she is ONLY building this for ME' (that's how good of a mother she is, how much SHE HAS TO sacrificy ONLY for me, how grateful I HAVE TO BE), 'to give me a home' (after SHE divorced my dad and TOOK ME AWAY from my home!!), to which I always responded "I never demanded, never wanted such a HUGE house like this.. I wanted my mother and spending a nice time with her..." She was never interested in that though, neither in listening to what I have to say
OMG! I just had to do this a year ago, and I’m still messed up. So much exactly like this, but even listening to this, I just want to hold on to her and give her love. I’m having so much trouble getting out of this headspace. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do to stay calm like this guy and still tell this person who I gave my heart to that I was leaving her and hurting her. It was so hard, and I’m still dealing with it. Thank you for sharing this. I needed to know I wasn’t crazy.
This was very good to hear.
They are all alike.
Dgui
Also another bit of advice I would give if you're in a situation like this is to not put any blame on them. Use 'I' statements and try to bring them down easily. This guy was smart in that he didn't break up with her on the same day he wanted to move out. You really need to think of the best strategy for your own health. This means getting yourself out of that toxic situation carefully. After they've accepted that you're no longer living with them and you're emotionally strong. Then break it off and prepare for no contact
Man I think we all have narcissistic tendencies. I get how someone feels the need to express and defend themselves when attacked. These lines are so not black and white.
I’m over here feeling abused but I’m looking into this because I need to know if I’m the abuser or not. I can see myself in both of these people......
They are both unhealthy. It is too bad. She is not denying her behaviors. That is not narcissistic. He started off angering her to the point to get violent for the tape. She has asked him to leave. His inability to leave is questionable. They are not healthy together at all. He is displaying narcissistic behavior much more than she from this tape. She is definitely though highly reactive and needs to do some personal work. They both do. Good to hear this though. Thank you to your subscriber.
I feel like there’s two sides here..
I will never understand why they can't just have a calm, rational, equal conversation. It's so infuriating
They work at a strong emotional level not a calm rational one. They also have no desire for an honest long term resolution.
I’m not convinced this girl is a narcissist or borderline but I don’t live with her so there’s no way for me to tell, however she does sound immature and bad at solving relationships problems, obviously he is calm and control because he knows he is recording the conversation and she don’t so she’s saying whatever she wants. She sound like most women. She sounds way way better at communication than the 2 narcissist and the borderline women I have dated.
Why do they all have a goldfish memory...never able to remember any important detail...& the"You are raising ur voice" thing got me...i could not have a convo with my marc in which I was not accused of yelling. Couldn't close a door without it being called slamming it...etc. Its crazy how similar they all are
This is so helpful, thank you SO MUCH. I am going to show my sons this to educate them so they won't date manipulative liars like this woman.
Wise decision - I've been married to one for over 45 years - I don't know how I've keep my sanity - Warn your sons that if they ever have children with these woman - it will only get worse, MUCH WORSE - they will unknowingly slowly turn them against you over time - it seems no matter what I do or don't do I'm to blame for everything. These children become like parrots - everything out of their mouths are like echos! Once she gets on you - so do they for the same things with the exact same verbiage. The are never on your side and never want to hear your logic on why their mothers is wrong for doing what she does. They will take her side 100% of the time - there is no winning - RUN FROM THESE WOMAN!
@@leoaguirre3460 I've been warning my son for years and he's getting g to be a pretty good detective. Just have to know they're going to try to snag you with sex and that a powerful drug. Good luck to you Leo
How about this:
They are both EQUALLY responsible.
BOTH ARE SICK.
He's more polished in the game, but they both feed off one another.
Men do the same thing!!
Wow! I just left someone finally after getting reeled back in for the billionth time....
His adult son started to be abusive is why I finally bounced. It was disgusting... Wow.
i was discarded for someone else, then she came back. after that it was a nightmare, not only was i broken hearted because of her betrayal, but when i came back she openly rubbed shit in my face, intentionally did things to get under my skin, make me jealous or get a reaction out of me. and basically made it clear that she could do what ever she wanted whether i liked it or not. even if it was cheating, flirting flaunting, or acting single. still to this day i dont understand why our amazing relationship turned into what it did, can someone really fake a LTR for that long
The problem with "black and white thinking" is; it's also been attributed to people on the Autism Spectrum which; is dangerous for them because they can come off as cluster B type to people who don't understand ASD/high functioning autism. Making them more socially isolated and vulnerable to actual cluster B abuse.
You can really hear the inner, terrified child come out. A lot of people say this is delusion, an illusion. I feel when this mask slips, it really is the inner child unable to cope with reality
Excellent video! During my final discard to my BPD ex she asked me to come into the house to discuss it. That was the last thing I wanted to do and it's obvious what would have happened! She'd have got me to feel for her and I'd have left the house still being with her. Then maybe a shirt time later being vindictive she'd discard me whether she wanted to or not and that wasn't going to happen! It was strange seeing the Projection and Disassociation manifesting itself in front of me.
Amazing as this conversation sounded exactly like mine to the small details when I walked my ex girlfriend's narcissistic life. All I can say, stay calm, run dont walk away and never look back by erasing a Zero contact policy. Trust me it's a lot easier said than done. The moment you realize that love of your life never loved you was a big turning point to me. Thks for video.
that fake-ass crying ugh!!! i cant listen to it it reminds me of my narc mom too much
I remember being dragged to meeting with church elders and as soon as they came, the crocodile tears would well up. So I called her out one day in front of those elders, that all she does is drop those crocodile tears but when they would leave I would called " stupid fucking Nigga e.t.c. In the end, I was kicked out of church and ostracized when I asked her to leave. I promise, this was a spiritual battle. Thanks for reminding me of those fake tears
It is so manipulative..
This is legit IDENTICAL to the conversations I had with my ex. Like other people have said, this sent chills down my spine.
Hi Michele, I like most of your videos because you show a pathway for empowerment instead of victimhood. You give really sound advice and clear breakdowns that help us understand so many of the narcissistic mental/emotional dynamics. However, I sincerely question the premise of this video.
My narc ex-husband would stay totally calm and collected while he was pushing my buttons. The situation of the recorded guy's actions is totally provocative from the perspective of the female. His tone is smooth and calm. It totally reminds me of my narc ex who only considered himself when making decisions that impacted me. My ex didn't involve me in the decision making process. He always said it was easier to get forgiveness than agreement.
Ok, so here's a guy who's packed and ready to move out. He didn't bother to inform his girlfriend - he's doing it behind her back. His girlfriend comes home unexpectedly and realizes what's going on. To her, it looks like he's leaving permanently and she has a really strong reaction. Geeze! I would too! In that moment, she's not prepared for what it means to their relationship and what it means to her well being financially as well as the huge emotional hole it will leave when she's having to suddenly cope with not having him in her life. I agree that she initially had a very emotional response by trying to damage his stuff, but she did stop and attempted to have a rational conversation with him. She did bring up past hurts. As you've said in many of your videos, victims of narcissist abuse, especially women, can become very emotional. We don't know her side of the story and what her history is. Some of us simply don't have the skills to handle this kind of stuff without a strong emotional reaction, especially if the female in the video is dealing with a narc who may have disregarded her earlier attempts to be reasonable with him. To critique her for not taking responsibility isn't the point given the circumstances.
I'm not saying the guy should have stayed in the relationship. However, he's claiming that he loves her and wants to work it out with her. Ok, let's talk about cognitive dissonance because this is a perfect example of it - if I really "love" someone and want to make it work, would I just move out unannounced and have any expectation that they'd ever trust me again? Good relationships are built on trust, not power over dynamics. Moving out unannounced is a power over dynamic. If this is the level of respect he has for her well being, I fully understand why the relationship didn't work out. He's being totally unreasonable toward her and keeping a cool demeanor while he does it. Isn't this classic narc behavior? Covert narcs will go so far as to portray themselves as the victim in very convincing ways, this being one of them.
From my perspective, the only time it's ok to move out unannounced is when there has been physical abuse. In that case, definitely plan your escape in secret. However, if one really cares about the well being of the person being left, then the departure plans need to include the person being left so they have a sense of stability that doesn't wreck them emotionnally. As awful as the dynamics in narcissistic relationships are, we should not stoop to bad behaviors ourselves. This is about self care. Who can hold their head up high when they've screwed someone, even if it's someone who has treated us badly.
It is possible to leave bad relationships on good terms - well maybe not "good", but rather semi-cordial terms. The point is not to decimate the other person, the point is to move on so everyone involved can function in their lives. I did it with my narc ex because our child was small child when I left and I knew I'd have to deal with his dad for the next 12 years. It took me a total of 8 years to finalize the divorce after I moved out, but I sincerely believe that things would have been much more difficult for all of us because my ex-husband's spiteful revengeful behaviors that would have been provoked if I hadn't handled it the way I did. If I'd dumped him like the guy in the video dumped the female, my ex would have made my life hell and would have felt justified in doing it.
Jeka Lambert he’s not discarding her. So he’s not gone through the whole narcissistic process. So he’s not the narcissist. It is not cognitive dissonance to love someone yet have to move out to avoid them. Presumably if you have children you know you still care about them when they’re at school?
Also one of the hallmarks of narcissism is having poor object constancy. So something is either all good or all bad. I think that represents your attitude to young man’s situation.
Omg how is this so on point? I thought I was alone with the things I go through until now. Everything this girl did and said in this video has happened to me only 1000 times worse. I always hear that "well none of my other boyfriends ever reacted like this or talked like that" bs smh and it doesn't matter how much I tell her that is disrespectful to me and she wouldn't like it if I kept bringing up my ex's she still does it but the only difference is before she says it she gives a disclaimer saying "I know you said you dont like hearing this but"....
academy award winning performance
Thank you for posting this. I know with exactitud how the crazy making goes!!! What I loved getting from this video is a vivid example of how a healthy man looks like. I now have hope just by listening to this man. He is beautiful ! I hope he is out of that toxic situation and find a healthy partner to love and be loved ❤️