Verdant Pastry Stout No Lactose Recipe & Methods For Homebrewers

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  • Verdant Pastry Stout No Lactose Recipe & Methods For Homebrewers
    Author: David Heath
    Type: All Grain
    Brewfather Link:- share.brewfath...
    IBU : 19 (Tinseth)
    BU/GU : 0.2
    Colour : 122 EBC
    Original Gravity : 1.095
    Final Gravity : 1.029
    Approx ABV: 8.7%
    Batch Size : 10 L / 2.64 US LQD GAL
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.4%
    Mash Efficiency: 80%
    Mash Profile
    76 °C / 169 °F- 60 min - Mash in
    Boil Time:- 30 Minutes (or more if you want a thicker stout)
    Fermentables
    Maris Otter Malt 5.9 EBC (50%)
    Munich 14 EBC (15%)
    Oats, Flaked 2 EBC (15%)
    Crystal Extra Dark 235 EBC (8%)
    Carafa III 1035 EBC (5%)
    Carafa Special III 1400 EBC (5%)
    Black Malt 1180 EBC (2%)
    Sugar, Muscovado 49.5 EBC
    Hops - Use your hops AA% and match to IBU shown
    30 min - Pilot - 19 IBU
    Can be subbed with Galena or any low flavour bittering hop
    Primary - 100 g/ 3.53 oz - Cocoa Nibs
    See video for details
    Yeast
    1 pkg - Lallemand (LalBrew) Verdant IPA
    1 pkg - Lallemand Voss Kveik
    (You can use less if you like for a small batch)
    Fermentation Profile
    Ale
    23 °C/ 73 °F - 7 to 14 days - Primary
    Channel links:-
    groups/Brewbeer
    www.teespring....
    Introduction music:- Drink Beer (Till The Day That I Die) by Dazie Mae
    Channel links:-
    groups/Brewbeer
    www.teespring....
    Introduction music:- Drink Beer (Till The Day That I Die) by Dazie Mae
    Channel links:-
    groups/Brewbeer
    www.teespring....
    Introduction music:- Drink Beer (Till The Day That I Die) by Dazie Mae

Komentáře • 94

  • @A2an
    @A2an Před rokem +4

    Indeed, it goes to my list "beer to brew" along with many other of your recipes.
    Thanks for sharing and for all your work making the video it is delightful ❤

  • @mbarn
    @mbarn Před rokem +1

    So pleased this is lactose free. Lactose mutes so much of the enjoyable stout flavours for me.

  • @fugitive086
    @fugitive086 Před rokem +3

    Hey David, just thought you'd like to know - I've had this in the keg for about 3 weeks now and it's tasting absolutely amazing. Great recipe... I'm just worried it's going to run out too soon!

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Great to hear Shane, I find it best after 4-6 weeks but it is a matter of taste of course 🍻🍻🍻

  • @alanman5328
    @alanman5328 Před rokem +2

    Awesome!! Not a style that I always enjoy but the way you describe it this sounds great as it is against exactly what makes me pour some of these down the sink. If anyone you can this right then its you though.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Its a shame really as this style when done well can be really nice. Enjoy 🍻🍻

  • @thebird36
    @thebird36 Před rokem +1

    i'm think of swapping verdant for banaza for a chocolate banana beer, but this is exactly what I needed to help with making a beer for the lady

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Could work Paul but I stayed with this yeast throughout development.

  • @smaster15
    @smaster15 Před rokem +1

    Amazing!! This style has been on my list and I’ve been looking for ways to get around the call for lactose, thanks David!!!

  • @kraghhansen
    @kraghhansen Před rokem +2

    Damn, it’s been hard waiting for this!!!!!

  • @TheBruSho
    @TheBruSho Před rokem +1

    Really great tips here! A fun style to brew and test your brewing skills for sure.

  • @doertedev
    @doertedev Před rokem +1

    Never heard of this sugar and will give this a go. Thank you and have a great weekend, greetings from Germany.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Enjoy Stefan, it adds a nice flavour as well as fermentables.

    • @doertedev
      @doertedev Před rokem

      @@DavidHeathHomebrew do you use it to dry out the Beer?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      No, this one turns out sweet as such as this sugar will not fully ferment.

  • @HOMEBREW4LIFE
    @HOMEBREW4LIFE Před rokem +2

    Great video DH!

  • @BeautilufMusic
    @BeautilufMusic Před rokem +1

    No way! I was actually looking for inspiration for pastry stouts earlier today! I don't mind the sweeter, high abv ones, as long as they're well balanced, but this feels like a good compromise. Also, this seems more sessionable (as you do point out) and affordable than some of the more complicated brews out there. Would be interesting to try this one on nitro.

  • @PartyTimeBrewing
    @PartyTimeBrewing Před rokem +1

    I look forward to trying something like this. Getting rid of the lactose is a great method and I'd love to see how the high mash temp turns out. Cheers!

  • @SCROWMD
    @SCROWMD Před rokem +2

    Looks great David. just a clarification please,.Mashing is at 168 deg F, not 149 F correct?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Yes, this is an error in the video but is correct in the recipe in this videos description section.

  • @carlosrigo
    @carlosrigo Před rokem +1

    Hey David! Thanks again for the nice video. I am planning to brew this next but I am having some trouble finding some of the malts: I can't obtain the carafa 3 special neither the black malt. As I read in other comments if you can't get both the carafa 3 and carafa 3 spetial is better to replace both with chocolate malt, I can find carafa 2 special by the way. So my idea would be 8% chocolate malt and 4% of roasted barley to replace both carafa 3 and the black malt. What are your thoughts?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      I believe that will work if the chocolate malt is dehusked. If not then add it in the last 10 mins of the mash to avoid over bitter flavours.

    • @carlosrigo
      @carlosrigo Před 11 měsíci

      Hey@@DavidHeathHomebrew, sorry, have another question. For a 20l batch I am guessing 1 Verdant and 1 Voss would be also enough? Or would you add 2 of both yeasts?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @carlosrigo One of each should work well 🍻🍻🍻

    • @carlosrigo
      @carlosrigo Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@DavidHeathHomebrew Hey, I just brewed this. It looks amazing! I am starting to think about the fermentation I am not sure I understood properly. So,
      - you ferment for 4-5 days until 5 points of gravity are missing (which should be what exactly? I am getting confused with the gravity before adding the sugar and after and so on...
      - Then you let this second fermentation finished (FG should be 1.029 I am guessing) and then open the fermenter to add the cacao nibs and after that you leave there for around 7-14 days more?
      Thanks!

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před 11 měsíci +1

      @carlosrigo I suggest adding the sugar at SG 1.034 or less. Ideally before it has finished at approx 1.029.

  • @dewaldpieterse9753
    @dewaldpieterse9753 Před 10 měsíci +1

    What about doing a cold steep before hand with the dark malts?

  • @MrBinabanana
    @MrBinabanana Před rokem +1

    Thanks for such a fantastic recipe, I can't wait to brew it, I'm such a big fan of your work! I have a question though. I can only obtain the de-husked Carafa III Special so I intend to make the "smoother" version you describe. So I think I should use twice the amount of the Carafa III special to replace the regular Carafa III which I can't obtain. But what do you mean when you say to "hold back" the dark crystal and black malt? Thanks for any advice!

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Thank you much appreciated 🍻🍻🍻
      I would suggest replacing the regular carafa with a normal chocolate malt, this will be very similar and is the best solution here. Holding back is where you keep it seperate from the main mash and add it in the last 10-15 minutes of the mash. 🍻🍻🍻

  • @fugitive086
    @fugitive086 Před rokem +1

    Hi David, thanks for sharing - very excited to try this (currently brewing as I type :D). A couple of questions if you don't mind:
    i) Gravity - given the sugar is added during fermentation, wondering what OG you had at the completion of your boil? If I temporarily delete the sugar from the list of ingredients in Brewfather it tells me the OG post-boil should be 1.073. Does that sound about right to you?
    ii) Cacao nibs - Any other spirits besides vodka that you'd recommend soaking them in?
    Cheers
    Shane

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Cheers Shane,
      i) Sounds right 🍻
      ii) Up to you, choose one you enjoy the taste of that you think would work. Whisky will, for example.

  • @danbrown586
    @danbrown586 Před rokem +2

    I'm having trouble understanding the mashing schedule. In the video, you say (or show on screen) 76°C/149°F (which aren't equivalent; 149°F is 65°C). In the recipe in the description, you say to mash in at 76°C/169°F. Is that the strike water temp, or do you actually mean to mash it that hot?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Hi Dan, sorry for the confusion. Im a metric guy.
      I have updated to:-
      Mash Profile
      76 °C / 169 °F- 60 min - Mash in
      I guess this was a typo that I did not pick up on. Sorry about that.
      Yes, its a hot mash. We want to create unfernentable sugars to avoid using lactose.

    • @danbrown586
      @danbrown586 Před rokem +1

      @@DavidHeathHomebrew Thanks for the clarification. This looks delicious; I'll have to give it a try.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Cheers Dan 🍻🍻🍻

  • @stuffert1
    @stuffert1 Před rokem +1

    Looks amazing, will try and brew it this weekend. But I'm wondering about the Cacao nibs. Do you add all the vodka (in my case) in the fermenter or do you only add the bag with the nibs? I guess you want all the flavours in the vodka aswell?

  • @helgeb3622
    @helgeb3622 Před rokem +1

    Great recipe! Do you really need two packages (22g) of yeast? Since one is kveik I'm wondering if I'm wasting yeast.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Ive found more reliable results this why when copitching. The problem comes when one yeast begins much fast than the other.

  • @jahfish42
    @jahfish42 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Silly question here, is the recipe for 5 gallons? Thanks folks

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před 2 měsíci

      Hey, its in the videos description area, 2.64 US GAL / 10 L 🍻🍻🍻

  • @jafarym77
    @jafarym77 Před rokem +1

    So on co-fermetantion. Do you pitch verdant first for few days the pitch voss or pitch them both at the same time? I'm worried voss will eat all the sugar before verdant has a chance to start.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Pitch both at the same time. The temperature will handle things for you.

  • @TheVindalloo
    @TheVindalloo Před rokem +1

    God im craving a good stout. Just carbonating a 11%stout that has been conditioning for 300days. So you use the malts mainly for body and not alcohol, as the sugar makes up apr. 4‰ of the ABV?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Hi Matt, yes the mash temp changes a portion of the malt into unfermentable sugars. It works very well 🍻🍻

  • @herrkriegel
    @herrkriegel Před rokem +1

    Hi David, this recipe looks really interesting, been looking for a nice recipe for a pastry stout and I have verdant and voss kveik slurry already in fridge, might give it a try soon :)
    Already started to look for ingredients and it looks like I can't get pilot hops where I am. I have magnum and northern brewer in storage, would one of them be OK or should I look for something else?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Thank you. Yes, either of those hops will work just great.

    • @SCROWMD
      @SCROWMD Před rokem +1

      hello ramoneiggy: Galena hops would be a good substitute for Pilot.This should be easily obtainable.Cheers.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      True, though with this recipe its unlikely that hop flavours will be noticed with pilot so any high AA% hop is going to work really.

  • @ScullyBrewing
    @ScullyBrewing Před rokem +1

    Did you try this beer on nitro? Or would co2 be preferable?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      I dont actually have a nitro set up these days, so this was designed around not using nitro but I suspect it works well with too.

  • @pdubb9754
    @pdubb9754 Před rokem +1

    I probably am not a fan of this style. I do not know that I have had a bona fide pastry stout per your vital stats, but I have had sweet commercial stouts that use flavors like peanut butter, chocolate, and vanilla, and I have mostly not been a fan. As an experience, it is worth pouring a glass, but then I am stuck with 5 other beers that I don't love. While I might brew such a beer if I feel the need to rise to the challenge, in general, when I have made these types of flavored beers, I always felt I ruined rather than enhanced a good base beer,

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      I think 90% or more that ive tried have been just terrible. Sickly sweet and with bad flavours. However the remainder have been great and this follows a similar path in sweetness and flavour to create something most can enjoy within the style. An FG of 1,050 or more is seldom going to work.

  • @DanielContich
    @DanielContich Před rokem +1

    Hi David, many thanks for sharing. I've downloaded the recipe to brewfather with the intention to brew it once in the future. Now I'm confused cause brewfather tells mit an alcohol rate of only 7.8% and a FG of 1.042. What's wrong here?

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Check the volume vs mine 🍻

    • @DanielContich
      @DanielContich Před rokem

      ​@@DavidHeathHomebrew well I literally just imported the recipe. Didn't change anything. Either there's a bug in the software or some config setting gives a different results. Could it be something with the Muscovado sugar not being calculated in?!?

    • @DanielContich
      @DanielContich Před rokem +1

      ​@@DavidHeathHomebrew I got it! It has to do with how you setup your brewfather. Under the settings for how to calculate the "Alcohol by Volume" and "Final Gravity" you obviously use the default settings with "Standard" and "Normal". A long time ago I switched mine (for whatever reason) to "Alternative" and "Advanced". That makes the difference in the calc. I've never seen such a big difference with other recipes. Your's must be special to some sort (as always :-). Many thanks for your patience.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      The sugar is in the recipe though.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Ok, yes, that would do it. Best to leave those parts as standard in general.

  • @thebird36
    @thebird36 Před rokem +1

    how'd you manage 80% mash efficiency on this when mashing at 169? I only managed 58%

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem

      Cheers Paul. Grain crush is key, plus careful stirring in as you gradually add the grain too.

  • @eponymous9784
    @eponymous9784 Před rokem

    No matter how much I try, I can't find this recipe in the Brewfather app? Any ideas as to why?

  • @davidsilva-eo2bs
    @davidsilva-eo2bs Před rokem

    in the video you mashed in at 149 did you mean the mash in was higher to leave more non fermentable sugars

    • @unmoosical
      @unmoosical Před rokem +2

      Looks like a typo. 76C, as shown on the brewzilla, is 168F.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +3

      Yes, must be a typo, Im a metric guy, its 76C :)

    • @Musicman9492
      @Musicman9492 Před rokem +1

      Yep. It's 169. As soon as he said "no need for a mash out because we are already so high" it had to be 76C/168-169F. For reference, metric Mash-out is 77C, typically. (You can fairly easily remember metric mash steps by going "33-44-55-66-77" which would basically cause you to hit every single enzyme temp (33 for mash-in, 44 for beta-glucan, 55 for protein/beta-amylase (here you're more dependent on pH because both enzymes are active somewhat equally), 66 for alpha-amylase, 77 for mash out"

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      Metric mash out is from 75-78 usually. 75 and 77 being popular.

    • @Серёга-о1л
      @Серёга-о1л Před rokem

      @@Musicman9492 Ценные рекомендации для новичков. Лайк.

  • @matthughes88
    @matthughes88 Před rokem

    149 is not a high mash temp. Did you mean 159?

  • @jimbo4375
    @jimbo4375 Před rokem +2

    It's lactose that ruins a lot of stouts, hate the stuff

  • @Teh509
    @Teh509 Před rokem +1

    Lactose is evil - Me.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      I think its worth avoiding for sure

    • @Teh509
      @Teh509 Před rokem

      @David Heath Homebrew joking aside, I think it has a place, just one far away from me. Sometimes a very small amount, almost imperceptibly small, works well with other forms of sweetness in beers creating a more natural favour. I haven't found many lactose beers I like though.

    • @DavidHeathHomebrew
      @DavidHeathHomebrew  Před rokem +1

      I use it when its needed, It certainly can work.