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Panning Tracks in 5.1 Surround - Beginner Sound Mix Tutorial
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2023
- If you are just starting out in audio post and moving up to 5.1 mixing in Pro Tools, Resolve, Premiere, or any other software, here are some starting points for panning dialogue, sound effects, Foley, and music in surround sound.
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Another exciting Tutorial Thomas, thank you! I'm in the process of mixing more in 5.1 surround myself after working on mostly stereo mixes for television documentaries and promo-spots. My question is: How do you treat and route the different reverbs of dialog, ambiences and music in the 5.1 surround environment? Especially the dialog reverb. Maybe you could do a tutorial for this topic in the future. Thanks again and keep doing what you're doing!
Mono verb 90% of the time. No reverb on docs unless it really needs it for some reason
Thank you! It was concise and to the point.
the tutorial m waiting for ❤
Thank you so much 💐💐...
You are welcome
hey @thomas, It would be excellent to cover the topic: automation of reverb and delay in a postproduction projects
Great video as always thomas👌.. im mixing 5.1 and stereo downmix and the levels in the stereo doesnt work that well maybe u can make a tutorial how to loudness control both 5.1 and downmix at the sametime? .. cheers from.paraguay🍻
They should match unless your pan law or downmix is done incorrectly
Very informative video as always! I would also be interested in how you work with reverb(s) in 5.1 mixes. Cheers!
Sure I’ll add it to the list
Hey, thanks for this one, and I love the warlus too :-)! When I'm working on Backgounds, layering stereo and mono tracks, I find hard creating a nice smooth texture of Ambience. Realised that panning stereo tracks differently helps a lot, but I'm curious what your approach is. Many thanks in advance! Thanks for continuing this series!
A lot of it comes down to picking the right sounds. If you are needing to do a lot of mixing to a track, it's likely it is simply not the right sound. It could be poor quality recording, bad perspective, or just something that does not fit the scene. Most of the time it's best to go back to editing if something isn't mixing in well.
Hi@@ThomasBoykin! Many thanks, that makes sense :-)
What about panning "up" and "down"?
Really informative tutorial, tom - thank you. One question - are you using 5.1 busses for each 'group' of sound or is DX purely on a mono master, fx on a LCR bus, etc, and then placing sounds as you describe in the video?
5.1 busses for everything
Hi Thomas and community. I love your videos and I've watched ALL of them. They got me a promotion at work, so thanks for all you do. I have a question for you and the community. I'm still very new to 5.1 and am still very annoying to those I'm learning from because I cannot just take things as said or at face value. I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. Which often means you have to be good at explaining. My current disagreement with my seniors is what goes to the centre speaker. The way I'm being taught is that nothing and I mean NOTHING goes to the centre speaker except for dialogue. No music, no sfx including production sfx and Foley. They all have to be removed from the centre by means of centre divergence. So much so that any action that happens ie footsteps at the same time as dialogue must be recreated using Foley and adr because you cannot have footsteps in the centre speaker. Everything that is not dialogue both Mono and stereo has to be centre divergence to come out of the phantom centre and not the centre speaker. This feels like it ads unnecessary time and work. Like I said, I am still new and just wish to understand and not just blindly follow.
You are being taught incorrectly. Why would you want Foley and sfx to sound separate from dialogue? Then it would be obvious what is added and not production. The whole point of what we do is to help people suspend disbelief and stay engrossed in the story. Putting things arbitrarily in the left and right speakers that should be anchored on screen does the opposite.
That is what I thought and believed to be the logical approach when I was making the move from stereo to 5.1. It's really difficult to be heard in this matter since I'm the Padawan and not the Jedi. My teachers are really set in their ways and make it difficult sometimes to discern truth from fiction. I'm told that Netflix qc flagged things either than dialogue being in the center speaker and failed the qc(hence this way of working) but that just doesn't sound right. I can't explain it because I did not see the qc notes myself but my gut just doesn't resonate with that. I need leverage to show them that the way we are working isn't how we should be working. Infact I believe that it's detrimental to our work.
on What levels should be for dialoug for mix inn 5.1...
Depends on a lot of factors. But if it averages -27lufs you’ll be ready for Netflix
I’ve alway, alway wanted to be a walrus...
is it a rule now??? we should only bleed the sound signals to surround channels, not effectively use them??? 20 years ago, in theatres surround channels were so powerful as most of the sound fx and music stems will be played effectively in surround speakers in DTS sound system, not just a bleed from LCR. Now, with the immersive sound format, most of the time i dont feel the surround sound itself, as it feels sounds are narrow down to only LCR. Please explain this myth. then why we have many surround speakers in theatres?
No rules! Just experience. You don't need to use all the channels all the time.
How DARE you compare me to a walrus
You know you’re over the target when you start taking flak
I’m SOOO offended! 😂
This still remains controversial, be technical or glue to the screen hard to make the right decisions as a beginner in this format