There is a lot here, not much of it comfortable to hear, but true nonetheless. Doctor/Pastor/Reverend/Mister/Sir (I don't know the proper title to use to show the respect I intend) has nailed it IMO.
Glenn Stasser joined some professors from Wheaton College. It does not Reverberate within the Center for Urban Educational Ministry in Boston, Massachusetts. Not the faithless Boston
Like for the farmer's in South Africa who are being killed because they are White. Amd people are allowed to take their land because they are White. Where are those white farmer's justice. It effects them and effects us all indirectly. Please use it as a contradiction to the silliness of the financial reparations in the United States where the federal government would be allowed to do the same towards white people in America amd their grand childrem.
Sometimes the truth hurts but it is necessary , one one the biggest indictments against the church is the history of segregation but through the Love of Christ this can be corrected we just have to do the work
Passion yes. This preacher did something very problematic. He equated Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Laquan McDonald. Michael Brown death has been investigated 3 times. Including by a DA who ran on platform of reopening the case. So AG Holder (black) DA St Louis Wesley Bell (black) said Brown death was not murder. This preach condemned white evangelicals when the facts are to call Brown death a murder has no facts supporting it.. Trayvon Martin was a black youth killed by a brown man. George Zimmerman was of Afro-Peruvian decent. So white evangelicals should have called a brown man killing a black youth white racism even though the black alternate juror agree with the verdict of not guilty. Laqaun McDonald was shot 16 times walking away from police. The mayor was Rahm Emanuel former chief of staff to president Obama. A white reporter had to sue to get the city to release the video. Then after its release the officer was fired then charged. So white evangelical are responsible because the Mayor and political structure support by the black church in Chicago failed to release the video an charge the officer for an obvious crime. Once charged the officer was found guilty. This is wrong. To lump all these cases together is to discredit yourself. Now if you have an agenda that does not require discernment this will work for you.
This has been my problem as well. Exodus 23:1 “you shall not spread false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness” I’ll stand with my brothers and condemn racism when it’s presented factually. But we are obstructing justice when we go along with lies.
@@PstJay-wy2fx He cheated on her repeatedly. Look it up, MLK was terrible to women and had questionable theology. This sermon is so overtly political and does nothing to unify the church.
@@thesagetraveler7649... If THIS sermon perpetrated a "political agenda" for you, then you most definitely didn't listen to the sermon. May God bless you and open your eyes
The sermon works well with an audience that accepts its presuppositions. To those who don't, they will see it as more racism, hiding behind carefully selected Bible verses.
This was an amazing sermon. But you still turned around and elected a segregationist to the office anyway. 46 just has a slick tongue and people bought it.
Sterling Pilgrim It wasn't racial quotas or affirmative action that got him into Yale. You take one message, particularly one at an event honoring a civil rights legend , and all you hear is quota. You are part of the problem.
Sterling Pilgrim even after the Civil Rights era Africa-Americans have sought non-invasive means of social equality .... and if you’re against Affirmative Action then why are your FOR workplace discrimination?
We should seek racial reconciliation to honor Christ and the Gospel but less should be made of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr by the Gospel Coalition. His theology was so unorthodox and his personal life so full of sexual sin I doubt that he was saved. Only God knows for sure, but the printed evidence the human eye can observe to reach this likely conclusion is damning.
Mike Nicholson how much could we doubt the degree of ‘saved’ were the Pastors and churches that stood idol as injustice reigned in America ..... There’s plenty of Biblical figures that had multiple wives and a variety of mis-givings ..... ppl lift Kings name because of his self-sacrifice in the midst of the oppression he was up against, and his willingness to speak out against the ills of his time ...... questioning if he’s truly saved or not means you only look at the fact that he gave the ultimate sacrifice seeking equality for the least the lonely and the left out ..... every piece of scripture doesn’t automatically translate wt everyone .... in Kings case, we see his personal mistakes in light of what he was fighting against ........ I believe your next statement should be one to chastise the White Church community that was doing nothing
To dragon slayer: The starting point for overcoming racism is being in Christ which comes by faith alone. It seems this is not enough for this preacher. He thinks it is shallow to believe this the starting point. He says shame on us for not standing up to racism. It is Christ alone living in us (first) that is the source of the Love and justice he speaks of.
chainsgone2012 I was offended that he brought up a Trump smear and Obama superiority bias. ( To promote racism from the pulpit. ) I refused to listen to the rest of the sermon because he was stirring up racial division. I dont call that idolatry. On the contrary the apostle Paul had to take Peter aside and rebuke him when under pressure he stopped eating with Gentiles when he saw the Hebrew party arriving. Do you see the racial divide there? It was between Jew and gentile. It needs to be called out as wrong. So you misunderstood me. The division I am speaking of is a racial division that could not be allowed to fester. The division you mentioned was to the lordship of Christ. That is certainly gospel truth. I agree! But that being said, what in particular made you so upset? Causing racial division upset me Which is not Gospel. Which is destructive to the church. His comments where accusations! Then he said: by the way, I’m not talking about you Matt (Chandler)
When your record of this life is read in judgment revealing the wretchedness within your heart and soul, will there be any redeeming factors to save your soul?
June 3rd 2020 as looters destroyed store in near by Naperville IL. Where I live... Wow... @22min 28 sec when he indirectly referred to Obama and trump, then comparing them I stopped listening. I am attending a prayer meeting About the extensive unrest and injustice in this country tonight at my church. I tried my best to listen to this man as my church recommended.
To chains are gone...Thanks for reply! I need connection with others during the covid restrictions. August 2020. I am giving a ride to black brother to a men’s meeting tonight who is a cocaine addict and pays prostitutes for sex. So I am in it for the long haul with overcoming racial divides. This preacher was divisive when he compared Obama and Trump. That’s why I stopped listening to him. I listen to my black friend because I must understand him to better present the Gospel. BLM is divisive! The gospel is not. So I want nothing to do with those fanning the flames of a racial division.
@John A I see your point. While the man may highlight some very true elements of past systemic oppression from slavery to Jim Crow, so many like this man “preacher” so badly want 2020 to be like 1950. I guess everybody gotta make a living, but I’d hate for mine to be sowing seeds of further division and trying to pass it off as preaching. There are better ways to have to conversation.
To Kyle .Latham Thanks for your reply. I think many are concerned as to how this racism issue will be handled in the church. Especially with current trends in culture to consider all guilty of white privilege.
I doubt any of these men know Jesus. They will be among those who are told, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." They are deceived.
@@ChainsGone2012 - I did listen. These men are blind guides in my opinion. This is the "social gospel" of MLK, and not the Christian Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@edwilliams8789... Uh huh. John Piper preaches a social gospel? Matt Chandler preaches a social gospel? Living your neighbor is social gospel? I guess the parable of the good Samaritan was Jesus being a blind guide.
Basically folks like you all are like the Pharisees You can quote scripture but the spirit of the word misses you! Y’all are so missing it!! Humble yourselves, shut up and listen..... y’all piss me off
This man can preach! Good bless Dr.Rev Charlie Dates...#weShallOvercome✊🏿
LORD JESUS cover this young man! What a word
Amen!
Absolutely amazing preacher. The Lord is on display through him.
I mean this with all sincerity, this is the best and most necessary sermon I have ever heard.
We need reformed Organist yall... That B3 must shout unto God
Amazing
He...betta...PREACH!!
Powerful
Wooooowwwww, I am speechless. What a truth relevant for every nation not only America.
Chicago's own!
There is a lot here, not much of it comfortable to hear, but true nonetheless. Doctor/Pastor/Reverend/Mister/Sir (I don't know the proper title to use to show the respect I intend) has nailed it IMO.
Pastor Charlie Dates. Progressive Church Chicago
Glenn Stasser joined some professors from Wheaton College. It does not
Reverberate within the Center for Urban Educational Ministry in Boston, Massachusetts. Not the faithless Boston
Lol, "not you Matt" 🤣🤣
Yes Lord!!!!
We need justice in Africa yooo.
Like for the farmer's in South Africa who are being killed because they are White. Amd people are allowed to take their land because they are White. Where are those white farmer's justice. It effects them and effects us all indirectly. Please use it as a contradiction to the silliness of the financial reparations in the United States where the federal government would be allowed to do the same towards white people in America amd their grand childrem.
This is a form of secular revenge, not secular utopisnism .
Wow what a word. We shall overcome
Prophetic.
What powerful truth proclaimed in a God anointed powerful way.
🔥🔥🔥
The Rev Dr. brought the Word!
To this day…. One of the greatest presentations with so much meaning in the 21st century. He is the most accurate, and concise preacher currently.
This guy is an activist on the pulpit.
how fresh - truth is powerful!
What passage is he preaching from?
1 John 4:7-11
People virtue signal, but don't expect anyone to speak up.
Sometimes the truth hurts but it is necessary , one one the biggest indictments against the church is the history of segregation but through the Love of Christ this can be corrected we just have to do the work
And the church said.....AMEN!!!!!
Passion yes. This preacher did something very problematic. He equated Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Laquan McDonald.
Michael Brown death has been investigated 3 times. Including by a DA who ran on platform of reopening the case. So AG Holder (black) DA St Louis Wesley Bell (black) said Brown death was not murder. This preach condemned white evangelicals when the facts are to call Brown death a murder has no facts supporting it..
Trayvon Martin was a black youth killed by a brown man. George Zimmerman was of Afro-Peruvian decent. So white evangelicals should have called a brown man killing a black youth white racism even though the black alternate juror agree with the verdict of not guilty.
Laqaun McDonald was shot 16 times walking away from police. The mayor was Rahm Emanuel former chief of staff to president Obama. A white reporter had to sue to get the city to release the video. Then after its release the officer was fired then charged. So white evangelical are responsible because the Mayor and political structure support by the black church in Chicago failed to release the video an charge the officer for an obvious crime. Once charged the officer was found guilty.
This is wrong. To lump all these cases together is to discredit yourself. Now if you have an agenda that does not require discernment this will work for you.
This has been my problem as well. Exodus 23:1 “you shall not spread false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness”
I’ll stand with my brothers and condemn racism when it’s presented factually. But we are obstructing justice when we go along with lies.
This is divisive and sickening. Also, I don't think he mentioned how MLK treated his wife because he sure wasn't faithful.
Can you please explain how he did because many of us don't know?
@@PstJay-wy2fx He cheated on her repeatedly. Look it up, MLK was terrible to women and had questionable theology. This sermon is so overtly political and does nothing to unify the church.
What are you talking about, this sermon wasn't about the president. Why would he talk about Trump's misdeeds with his wives and children.
@@ChainsGone2012 Apparently you didn't listen to it. Also, a pastor really shouldn't use the pulpit to push a political agenda.
@@thesagetraveler7649... If THIS sermon perpetrated a "political agenda" for you, then you most definitely didn't listen to the sermon. May God bless you and open your eyes
The sermon works well with an audience that accepts its presuppositions.
To those who don't, they will see it as more racism, hiding behind carefully selected Bible verses.
This was an amazing sermon. But you still turned around and elected a segregationist to the office anyway. 46 just has a slick tongue and people bought it.
Racial Quotas and Affirmative Action incoming!
Sterling Pilgrim It wasn't racial quotas or affirmative action that got him into Yale. You take one message, particularly one at an event honoring a civil rights legend , and all you hear is quota. You are part of the problem.
Dont forget reparations. Real Christians would agree. Real white supremacist would not.
Sterling Pilgrim even after the Civil Rights era Africa-Americans have sought non-invasive means of social equality .... and if you’re against Affirmative Action then why are your FOR workplace discrimination?
@@watdog2012 So if you oppose reparations (as defined by today's culture), you are a white supremacist??
You so basic & silly
Is this what they call preaching now?
He is a progressive preacher.
He is a God ordained preacher/teacher of the infallible Word of God. Not a propagater of the current fallacy of American Evangelicalism.
We should seek racial reconciliation to honor Christ and the Gospel but less should be made of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr by the Gospel Coalition. His theology was so unorthodox and his personal life so full of sexual sin I doubt that he was saved. Only God knows for sure, but the printed evidence the human eye can observe to reach this likely conclusion is damning.
Mike Nicholson how much could we doubt the degree of ‘saved’ were the Pastors and churches that stood idol as injustice reigned in America ..... There’s plenty of Biblical figures that had multiple wives and a variety of mis-givings ..... ppl lift Kings name because of his self-sacrifice in the midst of the oppression he was up against, and his willingness to speak out against the ills of his time ...... questioning if he’s truly saved or not means you only look at the fact that he gave the ultimate sacrifice seeking equality for the least the lonely and the left out ..... every piece of scripture doesn’t automatically translate wt everyone .... in Kings case, we see his personal mistakes in light of what he was fighting against ........ I believe your next statement should be one to chastise the White Church community that was doing nothing
To dragon slayer:
The starting point for overcoming racism is being in Christ which comes by faith alone. It seems this is not enough for this preacher. He thinks it is shallow to believe this the starting point.
He says shame on us for not standing up to racism. It is Christ alone living in us (first) that is the source of the Love and justice he speaks of.
chainsgone2012
I was offended that he brought up a Trump smear and Obama superiority bias. ( To promote racism from the pulpit. )
I refused to listen to the rest of the sermon because he was stirring up racial division. I dont call that idolatry. On the contrary the apostle Paul had to take Peter aside and rebuke him when under pressure he stopped eating with Gentiles when he saw the Hebrew party arriving. Do you see the racial divide there? It was between Jew and gentile. It needs to be called out as wrong. So you misunderstood me. The division I am speaking of is a racial division that could not be allowed to fester.
The division you mentioned was to the lordship of Christ. That is certainly gospel truth. I agree!
But that being said, what in particular made you so upset?
Causing racial division upset me Which is not Gospel. Which is destructive to the church. His comments where accusations! Then he said: by the way, I’m not talking about you Matt (Chandler)
When your record of this life is read in judgment revealing the wretchedness within your heart and soul, will there be any redeeming factors to save your soul?
Jesus's theology was unorthodox.
Sorry! I had to stop listening at 22:28
June 3rd 2020 as looters destroyed store in near by Naperville IL. Where I live...
Wow... @22min 28 sec when he indirectly referred to Obama and trump, then comparing them I stopped listening. I am attending a prayer meeting About the extensive unrest and injustice in this country tonight at my church. I tried my best to listen to this man as my church recommended.
@@3345646... You should've finished.
To chains are gone...Thanks for reply! I need connection with others during the covid restrictions. August 2020.
I am giving a ride to black brother to a men’s meeting tonight who is a cocaine addict and pays prostitutes for sex. So I am in it for the long haul with overcoming racial divides.
This preacher was divisive when he compared Obama and Trump.
That’s why I stopped listening to him. I listen to my black friend because I must understand him to better present the Gospel.
BLM is divisive! The gospel is not.
So I want nothing to do with those fanning the flames of a racial division.
@John A I see your point. While the man may highlight some very true elements of past systemic oppression from slavery to Jim Crow, so many like this man “preacher” so badly want 2020 to be like 1950. I guess everybody gotta make a living, but I’d hate for mine to be sowing seeds of further division and trying to pass it off as preaching. There are better ways to have to conversation.
To Kyle .Latham
Thanks for your reply. I think many are concerned as to how this racism issue will be handled in the church. Especially with current trends in culture to consider all guilty of white privilege.
I doubt any of these men know Jesus. They will be among those who are told, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." They are deceived.
I doubt you listened to "any of these men" because you would most certainly not make such a statement.
@@ChainsGone2012 - I did listen. These men are blind guides in my opinion. This is the "social gospel" of MLK, and not the Christian Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@edwilliams8789... Uh huh. John Piper preaches a social gospel? Matt Chandler preaches a social gospel? Living your neighbor is social gospel? I guess the parable of the good Samaritan was Jesus being a blind guide.
@@edwilliams8789... And once again, I'm SURE you didn't listen to the sermons from this event.
Basically folks like you all are like the Pharisees You can quote scripture but the spirit of the word misses you! Y’all are so missing it!! Humble yourselves, shut up and listen..... y’all piss me off
@22:12 Charlie’s smear disgraceful.