Removing a bridgeplate and solving a mystery
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Pulling a bridgeplate using heating irons and solving a mystery about the bridge location.
(1:00) Prepping for plate pull
(05:50) The plate is OUT!!!
(09:00) Checking for a soft top
(15:00) Looking insde
(16:50) Looking for loose braces
(19:40) Checking out the location of the new bridge
(21:00) The mystery
(28:00) A quick intonation check
(36:00) Saddle/bridge location determined!
(41:00) The Plan
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What's the old saying, "Measure twice, cut once."? Your thoroughness & attention to detail are the exact qualities that make you the highly skilled luthier that you are!!!!!!! I don't want anyone working on one of my instruments unless they approach it with the same or a VERY similar mindset!!!!!!!
I was actually gonna do a short video on "measure twice" because it matters _when_ you measure and _what_ you measure. I never understood the saying until I actually tried to get precise cuts.
@@Bryankimsey Would you believe that I know someone who will probably never understand that saying? If the poor guy measured something 10 times, he'd get 10 different results. 😆
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. Always interesting and educational!
Wow incredible,,, I learned so much from you,,, thank you .
Very interesting watching your thoughts as you work through the problems. Like we’re right there with you.
Another great video.
Thanks Bryan……Happy New Year to all
Thanks; a fascinating story. I remember many years ago replacing the nut on a guitar of mine. The intonation was off when I'd done it. I wondered why, and looked closely. The nut was a cheap 'off the shelf' moulded one, and I noticed a slight gap between the nut and fingerboard - that is to say, the middle region of the nut wasn't flush with the fingerboard edge. The gap was probably only slightly over 1/32" - but it was enough to throw off the intonation, because once I'd removed the nut and sanded it flat, everything was fine.
There ya go!!! That happens
Im only 25:58 into this video and you're talking about the shortness of the neck. I was wondering if the body of the guitar could have shrunk at all? You pointed out that the frets appeared to be in the original position because of the wear between the frets.
No ...far more likely that they trimmed a little too much off the nut end of the fingerboard at the factory. In 1962 there was a lot more hand work and zero CNC
If you measure from the first fret to the 12th it would have to be the same, unless some other fingerboards from some other source were used. manufacturing diffences or a handmade replacement.
It's normal from 1st to 12th. I was measuring from the nut to get a feel for the actual bridge location. If he'd just use a capo on the second fret all the time..... :)
High wire Lutherie.
Great shots inside the guitar. Love
It!
The GoPro's fun for that!
If the fret board was removed and shortened, wouldn't you see evidence of that where the fret board meets the sound hole?
We're talking about 1/32" here, so... not necessarily. If we were talking about 1/4", then yes, probably. The f/b is placed on the neck and then the heel is fitted to the body and so there's minute variation anyway. Therefore a very slight shift would not be obvious
triage" haha I worked ER triage for years
Someone may have cut a 1/64 or so off of the end of the fingerboard at the nut. I read somewhere that Taylor shortens their fingerboards at the nut end a VERY small amount for some kind of compensation that I don’t remember. Taylor knows what they are doing and I didn’t because I tried it ONE time. A little knowledge can get you in trouble sometimes.😢
It’s not the original neck?
I don't know. I'll find out when I pull it off
I was starting to wonder this too. Were Martin's repairs in the 70s as shoddy as their guitars? Or maybe someone built a working guitar out of two broken ones?
@@UCkI6pPBQ1IaNlicrwsnR5_w Martin always uses current procedure to repair guitars, so 70's repairs got 70's stuff. It's quite possible someone built a working guitar from two. I'll find out soon, when I pull the neck off.
What fret wire would they have been using in 62? I don’t think they were using the bar anymore whatever fret wire it is might be a clue to the mystery but with the amount of where that fingerboard must’ve been on for a very long time
Bar frets ended in, like, 1934. It's just normal ol' "fret wire". It's also pretty worn out. It MIGHT have just been a mistake from the factory and they cut the F/b a little short at the nut and slid the whole thing up just a smidge.
What temperature is your iron and what temperature do you consider a lot for that?
I set the hot plate to "high". I've measured the plates before and was getting 400-450 F.
OK thanks, is a bridgeplate generally harder to remove on a laminated spruce top or about the same as a solid top? I have one that needs replacing.
I've only removed laminated plates. I think what's gonna happen is you're going to end up pulling the laminates of the top apart because that's what happens with laminated plates and you end up removing them layer by layer.
See my recent video on the Martin DM.... on a certain level of guitar, you have to decide whether a modification is a) cost effective, b) sound effective. IMHO, replacing a bridgeplate on laminated top is neither. I don't think the bridgeplate is going to be picked by the top. If the plate's torn up, repair it with dust and glue or even a Platemate.
@NMHighPlains thanks ,i kinda thought it would tear up the top, I have a plate mate in it now, although it sounds good now, I'm 10 to 15 cents sharp on my intonation. I wished you lived in Arkansas. Ha ha!!!