TRADITIONAL VS SELF PUBLISHING - Terrible Writing Advice
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Self publishing
Pros: No one to tell you "no"
Cons: No one to tell you "no"
Both hilarious and factual
Or where to go
Or say we're only dreaming
I really wish someone had been there to say "no" to Empress Theresa
@@Nerobyrne be glad that it came out that book is a gem of a listen when its people dunking on it
@@dylantrobaugh2580 that is also true.
I guess it's like Stephen King said:
"It's good to have terrible books, that way you know what NOT to do."
I like how inner critic isn't automatically right anymore, now he's a metaphor for stories trying too hard to be smart while JP is a metaphor for stories not trying to be smart at all
That's great! Also the fact that his backgrounds are opposite. Inner Critic is kinda like "don't try too hard to be perfect or it will be a boring book" and JP is like "try do your best or it will be just a stupid book"
@@gabrieldossantos1116 ha, I didn't even think of that but it makes sense
I think it's not about too hard to be smart but if you just do philosophy it's not a story it's just your philosophical thoughts with metaphors. No amount of themes is going to save you in a boring world with unlikeable characters.
Even if those character are smart and logical and there are no plot holes
And probably to be overly perfectionist and write the perfect book, overhauling it to death, instead of just doing the story. If linseys ellis advice is to be believed about her regrets.
Even in his first appearance Inner Critic morphed into a horrible eldritch monster whispering damaging insults, so I mean.
Me who barely has anything written:
"Hmmm, yes. Publishing seems like a topic I should research more on..."
Ha! I pity all of you worrying about publishing! I'm free and easy, because there's no reason to ever worry about publishing when I can never even get any rights to all the Pokémon material in my story in the first place! (Assuming I ever get anything more than some character sheets on Google Docs, an inactive Tumblr blog, and a failed creative writing class!) Haha! Be like me! 😎
@@ArcanineEspeon That's unfortunate, especially with huge IPs like Pokemon who guard their rights very closely.
At least the IP I'm misappropriating (a Valve game localized by NEXON) have records of holding creative writing competitions in very recent memory......so then again, you never know.
Me, who writes as a hobby and doesn't intend to publish:
"Hmm, yes. Publishing seems like a topic I should research more on..."
@@ArcanineEspeon You should publish those on a fan writing site/ blog to get a following and just ctrl+f replace all of the names for your own series. Then carry over as much of the previous following to make a franchise and money.
@@CtisGaming That's pretty much how 50 Shades of Grey was written. It's genius and foolproof!
Times New Roman? Why would I use that when I have access to objectively the best font known to mankind, Comic Sans.
EDIT: I don't care about all the other fonts posted here. Comic Sans is just objectively the best, there's no debate. Stop trying to elect your inferior font for the title. It's not going to happen.
Ok, even for this channel, that’s one sarcasm too far.
Take my like and leave.
..... Papyrus
Such eloquent flow, such natural curves... Comic Sans is absolutely the best of fonts for every purpose
@@Rotem_S that literally made me gag. Take my like and go, please
The shapes in the critic's background... no wonder he's cross.
*[rimshot]*
No
Very *punny* of you!
plz stop *cracking* puns
Boo!
"Americans can only tolerate philosophy if it's wrapped in kung fu fights."
Is that a subtle jab at The Matrix?
Before The Matrix there was Kung Fu, the TV series.
Or Kung Fu Panda
Eternal Reality I think it's a jab at Kung Fu movies in general
America Fuck Yeah
@Nerobryne Ah yes, P H I L O S O P H Y
"Graphic design requires no ACTUAL skill and talent"
You have no idea how many people you've just made angry.
The truth really does hurt...
Don’t worry it’s normal JP, like 99% of what he says is meant to be sarcastically wrong anyway
you are that guy that laughs with everybody even when you didn't get the joke, right?
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr no I don't laugh.
Even when I get the joke.
It's almost like that was a joke.
Is this one of those pointless arguments where both approaches have perks and downsides, each comes with own requirements, while neither offers a magical "one-fits-all" solution, that would catapult you into successful and fullfilling career, just because you chose that path?
No. Stop trying to insert nuance in what is clearly a black and white dichotomy.
@@hamstsorkxxor
Nuance? In my extra credits video? Perish the thought.
@@hamstsorkxxor heresy purge with holy fire
Pfft, situational practicality is for pussies who can't commit. Clearly there is only ever one right way to do anything and it never has any downsides.
/s for those who can't see obvious sarcasm
I have a feeling you just summarised the point of the video ^^
I once emailed a fairly successful literary agent in my genre to ask what the process of traditional publishing is like for a new author. To my surprise he responded with a very detailed breakdown but the tone of his words basically gave the subtext that I had a snowballs chance in hell. Since then, my gut is closer aligned with self publishing.
Can you give some details?
Can you elaborate in details? That will give some understanding for new writers.
@@hunhydroid7172 I don't wanna give the guys name in case what he said was in confidence or it might have a negative effect on his career, but this is an edited version of what he said:
"publishers are looking for full length novels, not short fiction.
Most fiction editors see thirty books every week, and only take on one or two debut novels over an entire year (some only take on one). That’s how special a new writer has to be in terms of their prose, story and invention, characterisation, dialogue, etc. Let alone commerciality in the market as it stands. And many publishers won't accept submissions from unagented authors - you'll need to check each publisher's website for the submission guidelines.
Once the editor does think they have something that special and very, very commercial, they take it to the editorial meeting. Before that meeting, every other editor in the company has to read the book, and they will make their comments, positive and negative, at the meeting. If the book gets over that hurdle - and many don't - it will then be taken to the full publishing meeting. Before that meeting, the sales director, marketing director, publicity director, managing director and other senior, non-editorial staff have to read it, and agree that it is both wonderfully written and intensely commercial. At this point, the sales director will say ‘Who will buy this?’, and the editor has to supply the names of two or three recently successful writers from the last five years (not long-term bestsellers or classics) in the same genre that the sales director can mention to the head office buyers at W H Smiths, Waterstones and the other book chains, should the author be taken on - these comparisons are vital. No novelist is writing in a vacuum, so any new writer needs to know exactly where the market is in 2020 and who the recent names are. Pretty much every author I've worked with both as a publisher and as an agent has read the genre since they were teenagers and has been steeped in its history and evolution. So you need to think about recent writers as comparisons.
If there are no commercial comparisons, sales and marketing directors are powerful enough in most companies to get a project turned down. Editors know this, so unless they have that feeling about a book they won’t bother to take it to a meeting, they’ll simply turn it down without anyone else in the company seeing it. This happens to over 99% of submissions. However, if this is all agreed at a Publishing Meeting, the sales director and editor will agree on expected sales figures for the first print-run, and a costing will be produced. From that, the editor will come up with a sum that the book is worth to the publisher and, once he or she has the agreement of their managing director, they will make an offer. Easy!
Fewer than 10% of the books that enter this process at the editorial meeting actually have offers made. And they themselves are far less than 1% of the books that are originally submitted by authors and agents"
I tried asking him about self publishing, but he never replied which I suppose is fair enough since he probably wouldn't know about that. He was very helpful and I admire that he didn't sugar coat it for someone who was interested in going that rout.
A friend is looking at traditional publishing and after doing some research he said:"1:3,333 are the odds of getting an agent. (For perspective the odds of getting struck by lightning are 1:3,000)"
@@Paul_M_Bradley Well... crap, that's an eye opener. I've just been writing what I've wanted rather than what the trends are, so the snowball probably has a better chance in hell than I do. I still got a long ways to go, but guess I ought to give more consideration and research to self-publishing once I reach the end of the tunnel. Thanks for sharing that.
"I'm paying you in exposure at the radiation lab."
I see what you did there.
I did not.
I was on the edge of my seat once they mentioned payment. There was a solution to their money problem. And that solution got a deadly dose of radiation.
Can you please explain this part?
If it's the kind of radiation that gives super powers with no permanent visible mutations and no health problems, that sounds like a great payment.
@@darwinxavier3516 You just described dying from cancer and going to heaven, havent you :D
Terrible Writing Advice: Heroic Sacrifice
noo critic, dont sacrifice your fpoints for the noble cause of disproving jp, nooo
JP! This is the last of my criticism! TAKE IT FROM ME!
What things have you guys found that ruined an heroic sacrifice?
I saw secondary characters taking a shoot the protagonist could had dodged or just tanked, or the show later resurrecting the character that sacrificed himself
If he character could be easy saved especially if it has a silly long goodbye tha could have the character get easy medical treatment (unless there is some deadly poison that cant be treated or something similar, thats fine, if they try but just cant)
Or some silly speech before that so long that instead of the speech, the character could just avoided it.
Resurrection can be at a heavy cost, not too often and takes still a big toll on the ressurected, and he circle. Pragmatic there. But please let most people stay dead.
What liely works is the characters make a sudden decision that may even need to kill them in the heat of a moment. It can be stupid, or useless honestly, just not in the i wanna die way (unless ts part of the character progress.
Redshirts aent really fun to see die if you know they will at the next chance with maybe they survive long enough to orget about that. And then they die.
With mentors too.
And they can die for a cause not related to "must save the main character and main problem" and unexpected.
I think he did death already.
A diferent version is, the characte doent die but does loose something important, loved one, eyesight, mobility, lifespan, i mean the whoever does the sacrifice,
If you're ever considering traditional publishing, just remember:
A multi-billion dollar company with legions of professionals not only made Rise of Skywalker, but thought releasing it for money was a good idea.
Right you are!
@@Shiv-dw9pc because executives are determined mostly by investors, not by employees, so as a result, the people who get hired for those jobs are hired for reducing costs not for knowing the industry. it's actually so bad right ow that companies are losing money, because the cost cutting is so out of control that companies cutting expenditures that producing the products and services they sell. That's why so many companies are so microtransaction dependent, they can't physically make a profit anymore due to cost phobia.
The games industry has a bunch of fuckers from packaged goods distribution and accounting, but none from video games or movies. shareholders are horribly out of touch, sheltered goobers that have been given absolute power over a corporation's leadership primarily because you don't need to have experience in an industry to be a shareholder. You just gotta be rich.
So you end up with stupid like this where have someone being handed the keys to a half billion dollar project on the basis that they are a yes man with "a lot of experience" in a completely different field, instead of shareholders who know HOW movies work and hire a competent type.
@@Shiv-dw9pc when a huge company based on story telling becomes big enough, they don’t need to worry about making it good. They can shovel enough crap toward marketing that they can be guaranteed at least someone will watch it. The emoji movie was abysmal and got terrible reviews, but it made a profit still. Early on, when you are small and people don’t know you, you have to rely on effort to make something good/great. Because good/great is the only thing that will make people notice. This is why Disney’s earliest works are considered masterpieces and there works now are mediocre at best(this isn’t always the case though).
This method can backfire though, just look at the Mulan remake.
@@zalseon4746 Now*?
They probably did make money though
The best part of this video is that it’s a guy having an argument with himself
*persona 4’s I face myself play*
*Ryan George and CalebCity intensifies*
and somehow I enjoy it-
why am I like this
@@starmaker75 is the Inner Critic J.P’s shadow?
Knowing that makes this a lot funnier.
As devastating a rejection letter like this probably would be, that is a letter I would keep :D
Stephen King kept every rejection letter he ever got.
He ended up with a nice stack before he ever got a single thing published.
@@Nerobyrne, Stephen King is also a hack fraud that doesn’t remember anything he writes because the amount of cocaine he takes, so you’re further proving JP’s point in that it doesn’t matter if you self publish or use traditional publishing as long as your writing isn’t shit.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr how does that prove anything?
@@Nerobyrne, Stephen King’s IT for example is written in a way you can obviously tell is written by a drugged out of him mind on cocaine, and yet that book was traditionally published instead of self publishing like what most professional writers like JP does, and JP’s entire arguments are that it doesn’t matter if you use traditional publishing or self publishing as long as your writing isn’t shit like Stephen King’s IT.
Once met Dan Gutman at a presentation he gave at a local library. This was waaaay back in 2004, but I got to see all 30 or so rejection letters he received from publishers to whom he sent his book "Honus and Me", the first in a VERY successful series about time-warping baseball card powers.
It takes a lot of rejection letters before someone likes what you wrote.
You use Times New Roman for the title font? Hah! POSEUR! Everyone knows you're supposed to use Papryrus font for fantasy novels and Comic Sans for the rest of the genres!
use both if undertale fanfic
@@nohintshere Writing that down! WRITING THAT DOWN!!
Lol noobs everyone knows that Wingdings is the future
Almost as if you've never heard of alphabet soup smh
@@Cheesesteaks4Life98 SOMETHING SOMETHING GASTER SOMETHING SOMETHING SANS GENOCIDE SWAPFELLINKRUNEDELTASHIFTALE.
Every UT Gaster AU
This characterizes inner critic nicely actually. It shows that both love triangle man and mister inner critic are both representations of 2 extremes exaggerated to extreme proportions. Neither of them are actually good role models.
What is wrong with you man TWA is literally the best role model to have. Have you seen how much knowledge he spits out on a second to second basis smh.
“extremes exaggerated to extreme proportions”
Could you get any more redundant
@@littlemoth4956 Of course he can not be not more redundant.
Calling it now: The secret weapon in the sponsorship wars is the comedic relief character.
The clues are that it is an Inner and has initials I.G.
Zappers!
@@SimonClarkstone Inner Gritic
@@SimonClarkstone inner gru
@@SorowFame Z A P P E R S
I'm currently struggling with this exact question... JP has learned how to read minds, the Love triangle Man is growing too powerful.
He certainly is.
Counter with Florida man
There are multiple :O
Then try both.
traditional publishing if you get accepted you have a chance of being seen and read. the most popular self published books all started as fanfics.
Last time I was this early Mongolia had borders with Poland
Last time i was this early the third partition removed had poland
Last time I was this early Poland was a hereditary monarchy.
Last time I was this early Poland conquered Europe
Last time I was this early russsia was third rome
@UCjh8R1TPse0ThtnVdIKgbeQ Grug died two days later because of a infection from a sratch on his shoulder.
You should do detective writing advice
Yes
“The first step to writing a good detective story is to give your detective a name! Fearlock Knolmes should work!”
The world need this.
"Remember that detectives are basically wizards and can deduce things from absolutely nonsensically minimal clues. A mustard drop? Clearly that means the killer was a disgraced clown who commited the murder shortly after making himself a nice hot dog. Good job, detective guy!"
@@silviainsertsurnamehere9620 how did detective guy deduce that you may ask? Elementary, random person, he could tell that it was a rare brand of mustard by its distinct smell, a brand only used by circus clowns because of misguided marketing, he could also tell they were a disgraced clown because the mustard smelt slightly stale, which could only be because the clown no longer has the opportunity to buy fresh mustard, and therefore must no longer be with a circus.
JP and Inner Critic, as always, I think, are best to have bits and pieces of their points and positions into consideration. There's no one best answer.
I agree, it's a balanced argument, which is always the best, since both sides make solid points! 💗
I think that's what makes their chemistry so good. They truly are two halves of probably real JP's opinions. They each have fractured bits of truth.
Edit : Grammer.
JP showing his good influence on critic XD, I love him roasting the perfectionist elitist and the potential downfalls of selfpublishing. Which both can work, but only the nigerian prince can be trusted in the end
JP uses a pencil, Inner Critic a pen. What does this tell us about them? The one can admit a mistake and will try to even it out, the other will pretend all his mistakes were planned all along. Wait, no, it's the other way around.
Inner critic does have more better points but I like how it’s not entirely one sided
"An editor would force the writer to include a love triangle.
Which is bad because a good writer would have already akwardly forced a love triangle!"
Or better, A HAREM!
@@bar1scorpio, I’d take a harem or reverse harem over a love triangle.
Onision's books are proof of the beauty and perfection of self publishing
We don't speak of that name! Tho shall be smited.
Me:yeah, Onisi-
God: I Cast SMITE.
Onision's books are just a beauty to look at in general
Who were publishers of plato, spinoza, kant or smith? Or who initially published the holy bible or koran? Tora? By that criteria onion boi is on the right path 😂😂😂
@Paul Martin ninjas what now?
It’s my head cannon that JP has trouble understanding the inner critic because he says a lot of good advice sarcastically, and he doesn’t understand that the inner critic is taking it all seriously.
But wouldn't that mean that JP is actually a good writer? How would he get rejected from a traditional publisher then.... oh, right, your chances are bad even with talent. This theory checks out.
Okay, I'm genuinely invested in the Sponsorship Wars
Same its so bad it's good
Haha, Yeah I think JP is the only youtuber whose commercials I look forward to nearly as much as the video.
I wonder what JP's "Inner G____" is?
The issue is, I never really payed that much attention to them for the vast majority of his videos, so now I'm utterly lost on the plot...
@@laststand6420 you should check out internet historian if you haven't already. His ads are ridiculous
Rejection stings but never get discouraged. There are twelve publishers somewhere out there kicking themselves for passing on Harry Potter and one day it might just be your book they're kicking themselves over.
"Graphic design requires no skill"
Me, who sucks at art: Man I WISH
Sure not even the simplest cover requires some talent to agnowledge if there is a nice contrast to justify it. An is not easy to screw up.
Why doesn't Inner Critic have a scar? You've defeated him twice now.
He does, but it’s so tiny as to avoid marring his good looks
@@TheMamaluigi300 _and his marketability_
@@TheMamaluigi300 _every disfigured character being adapted onscreen intensifies_
The early bird gets the love triangle
*love octahedron*
Yep, that's certainly true! 💗
@@danielawesome36 love 4D Cube
the love polygon
@@vale3242 the LOVE 5D DODECAHEDRON
So publishing a book is a nightmare no matter if it's self or traditional. So the best way is to never write, so you would never need to publish! I am sure that some ice cream and sulking in bed will make up for snuffing out all of my creativity myself!
I know this is a joke, but you sound really sad. I hope you're making the art you enjoy :)
@@Wyrm3 huh, thanks! It's really, rocky, but I try!
,,The worst story ever is still miles ahead of mine, since it does actually exists"
,,TWA's video on originality"
Another con of self-publishing is that people is more prone to think your works may have some smut-like writing
To be fair smut isnt really a full negative though how the people react to it being there or their assumptions being wrong is a whole different story.
How is that a con? Everyone knows that smut is the only reason people read doujinshi, and never to get a real story!
Even traditional and small pree publishing is full of smut now. I don't write or read that.
as someone who has paid the bills with romance: good. savor my smut. relish in it. get your rocks off and grab another volume with your KU subscription.
More like amateurish writing, like with negative connotations regarding fanfiction despite there being good works because of the sheer amount of badly done ones.
T-shirt slogan "I don't need a justification to use text."
I dont need a justification
to use text
@@gagne6928 And it's misaligned just like this. I'd get a laugh from it.
As someone who loves Philosophy AND laser swords, I guess I'm in the luck.
Newton's Flaming Laser Sword anyone?
@@underrated1524 Sounds fun, I'm down.
Protip from an online reader, first publish your work on an online reading site. If it garners attention, you now have an inbuilt audience that at least knows about your book. You can always take it off the site later if that's required.
That.... sounds like a good idea. Follow any authors that did this?
What kind of sites we talkin' here?
@@corsaircarl9582 Royalroad specifically, although Wattpad has also been able to be used for this.
@@clyax113 apologies, it seems my last comment was deleted. Royalroad is the site I had in mind regarding this topic, of whom authors who did this are too numerous to count.
@@corsaircarl9582 Royalroad specifically, although places like Wattpad have also been able to act in this capacity.
"we have all the money, literately all of it"
"shit, what now"
The solution isn't printing/making more money, that'll cause inflation. The solution is to make a puppet 'competing' currency and engage in however much arbitrage as is required at any given moment. But of course, since this currency and the company behind it are controlled opposition, you never need to fear actual competition!
Christmas has come early. This video is golden. No, diamond. Fucking hilarious
Those are in the wrong order, Diamond comes before golden in the series.
will waiting for a video on symbolism.
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP
Same
Yes, please!
Oh, that one's easy. If you want your book to be deep, all you have to do is dump in a whole bunch of random Christian symbolism.
Want your Marty Stu to be Important and Profound? Just add Jesus symbolism! Now no one can deny the philosophical depths of your book!
@@Newfiecat you forgot random kabbalah simbolism if you want to be Deeper (obviously ignoring what the Kabbalah is and his philosophy)
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This is why as a graphic novelist I’m taking graphic design, then I can make my own covers.
3:35 That was so upsetting that he grew a third arm.
“We have approximately all of the money” lol
In all seriousness, I turned down a publisher who wanted me to shoehorn in a love triangle into the first book of my series because "No one wants to read a woman protagonist without a romance." I had zero romance at all because the story didn't call for it. Now I'm a best selling author.
What all new writers need to realize is this: Good self publishing is better than bad traditional publishing. Self publishing can mean loading up your 25k first draft to Amazon and calling it a novel, or you can literally do everything a traditional publishing company does and do it right. That means all the extra hard that you don't want to do because you became a writer to write, not market and do research and network and a whole bunch of other nonsense that no one wants to do.
It's no longer that good novels are traditionally published and subpar to bad novels are self published. There's no money to really be made anywhere in books, so if you're writing at all I salute you. There's now a gray area and in a sense the playing field is leveled in the sense that we all can open up the internet and learn what we need to do in order to make a novel the right way. Even now if you're watching this video, you know that you need an editor. There's no excuse, you know that much. You know that there's a reason why you need a proper cover designer. You need someone to properly format the book. You need a proofreader. And then there's all the things you don't know from this video but will invariably learn, and forget even thinking about audiobooks yet, that's an entirely new hell to wade through.
And the sad truth is that a lot of this expensive. Editors aren't only expensive, it can be tricky to find the right one. Cover designers can be pricey and getting a good one also means a waiting list so you need to plan in advance. Marketing a book is almost a full time job on its own.
The truth is that if you care about the success of your book, regardless of if you're traditional or self published, you have to do a lot of work and there's no substitute for that.
The fact that this is a serious debate and not just a "lol no" to self-publishing is a real testament to how publishing has changed.
Never expected JP to give better advice than Inner Critic.
all while being non-sarcastic (sometimes)
School actually wakes ne wake up earlier to watch this video! Yes!
WARNING I am the unprettiest human YTer worldwide, but somehow I have TWO HOT CZcamsR girlfriends. Thanks for being a future subscryber, dear etab
You have school on the 21st of December?
*F*
@@invenblocker not to mention during quarantine
F
@@14thbattlegroupcommander It's online, luckily
@@AxxLAfriku my god you again. N o o n e c a r e s
To be honest, these videos DO help in their own goofy little way sometimes. Sure, it may not be Jenna Moreci levels of detailed advice, but there are merits past the sarcasm and comedy wall.
Great work as always J.P.
"But Jenna, he didn't talk about love triangles enough!"
The HackingBurger YES!! I love that meme lmao!
You are cultured good sir or ma’am!
"Jenna Moreci" lol, that person whose writing advice amounted to, "PrAcTicE and get a job." Fucking Genius.
@@MRJTD99 You uh...wanna elaborate on that? This sounds interesting and you can't just bail out now.
Then again it's freaking Griffith I'm dealing with so anything goes-
I love Jena advice until it get political but overall she gives good advice and tips
I've been meaning towards self publishing lately for the single reason that I know some people wait a decade or more trying to get published traditionally and that just sounds awful to me. I'd rather my story be out there and the possibility that people will read it than just sitting around hoping some publisher one day takes pity. But I very much understand the dilemma.
I said it once, I will say it over and over, publishing a novel is a long, painful process. My friend has been trying to get published for I think... 15 years? Getting married and having a baby puts a significant crimp in how much time you can put into 'putting yourself out there' only to get rejections with no feedback, demands for more material to lengthen the series before before the first book is even published, editing to change audience, editing to change audience again, realizing the genre you wrote in is still saturated .... yay.
Oof, that’s fucked
I was so afraid the Inner Critic will never come back for a new rivalry video :D
I just noticed the people in this hold their pens in their left hands. Are you a lefty, too?
You might be onto something. I thought maybe one of them was just flipped. That may still be the case sometimes with JP's (or the Critic's) avatar, but a lot of the thumbnails of previous videos feature lefties.
I'm gonna be honest, that whole video I was looking at the critics backround
I love how I don’t even really know anything about writing, but these videos still stay extremely interesting
That’s how you know it’s stellar content
"Americans can only handle philosophy if it's wrapped in kung-fu fights."
I'm sure there's some kind of deep message here, but I'm just finding it impossible to grasp. Maybe if someone reframed it in the context of a kung-fu fight for me?
Am I the only one who is getting tired of my country getting bullied so hard on the internet all the time?
Shit, who am I kidding, half the time it's us bullying ourselves on the internet anyway. Murrica.
SLORG
@@neoselket562 It is indeed a slorg! Wearing the sunglasses of the character Kamina from the anime Gurren Lagann.
It’s referring to the Matrix
My mom’s friend’s daughter traditionally published a book and can you guess the revenue she made? Less than a dollar per book sale.
Publishers and distributors have writers in a death grip and it freaking sucks
I hope they are promoting her book a lot at least.
A little self publishing advice for the road: Do your research on ISBNs. You can buy 100 of them for $600 or one $100. Amazon will not tell you this. If you get a free ISBN, you do not own it. Read the fine print. For the love of PETE even on self publishing platforms READ THE FINE PRINT.
"You can't look down on me! I am looking down on you!"
I am not a writer but watching TWA is like reading Tvtropes.
Hello I'm an indie published author and lemme tell you that bit about the marketing? YUP. INTENSE PHYSICAL PAIN. SCREAMING INTO THE VOID.
Oh boy. This video exemplifies the perfect struggle within each new author. It isn't easy. There are dangers and tons of mistakes along the way in both traditional and self publishing arenas. The best advice I can give for anyone out there looking for help is to avoid vanity publishers. They won't call themselves vanity publishers, but will charge an exorbitant fee for packages that include cover art, editing, and "promotion". They will tell you everything you want to hear and more just to get you writing them checks. After that last dollar is in their hand they disappear in the wind and your book will sit unattended on a digital shelf indefinitely. I experienced this and hope to save you the heartache and trouble. To publish you need thick skin and a desire to make the best product possible. Everything that goes into a book matters.
Great vid! As a self-published author myself, I definitely agree that there really are no guarantees on success. But honestly, there isn't really that in traditional publishing either. In the end, write because you want to share your story, not because you think it'll be a easy street to fame and fortune.
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I think the biggest problem with self publishing is that most of them felt like what I read in majority of fanfics that freely available. Self publishing is like them asking me money to read their crappy oc novel or thinly veiled fanfic with names replaced
“Cliches and misplaced commas”. That’s why I don’t take any creative writing classes
The only one you need is Brandon Sanderson's, and all of his are on CZcams for free!
"Nobody to tell you 'no'" as both a pro and con. Too true. I'd add "nobody to set milestones for you" in the same category.
Tbh I do wish that self publishing required at least some vetting, to make sure only serious authors get their work out there. The royalty structure and profit-oriented nature of traditional publishing just pushes me away. I already designed a nice cover in Photoshop (was a graphic designer in HS) and the document itself is well formatted, I might just waltz on over to Amazon.
Seems like traditional publishing is dying anyway, this might be the future of publication. Too bad the readers have to sift through piles of half-effort drafts to find an Author who actually put some time and energy into their work
can't wait for the episode where jp and inner critic have to cooperate against a larger creative threat and defeat it by combining into one Competent Author
Where did you hire that fantastic voice actor for the inner critic?
Very local talent you could say
I love how this 2 characters are always the 2 extremes of the spectrum like a story is absolutely tedious work or completely ridiculous
I frankly want to take the traditional path because I don't know enough to do it all myself where as I can work with people if I get with a publisher.
That's why I'm work working to make sure my books are as best as I can get them to be before I even think about publishing.
Publishers are probably the best move for writers who are only interested in the writing aspect. It takes a special person to multitask every aspect of publishing
It’s probably the best more unless your a more niche writer that publishers don’t care about
Yes, don't let people discourage you!
Getting a publisher is probably more work than self publishing is.
@@CarrotConsumer Sure, but do you see any exposure out of that? Any publicity, fame, or general recognition?
@@gunslingergirl2579 Well, your not guaranteed any of that out of traditional publishing anyways. Plus, most self-published novels suffer from poor business tactics, not the writing itself. You could have a brilliant book, but it won't get anywhere if you don't know how to market towards your target audience.
There is the middle path gentleman that is fine like-minded individuals with complementary skills in Publishing and start your own publishing company with your book and several other writers books as the first wave of the business
Still, that again means needing money to make money, a major hurdle with self-publishing when you're a broke writer. That means that you now run a full business and if all you wanted to do was to be an author, you've now gotten a whole farm of work when all you wanted was a cow. Oh, and you still have the uphill battle of bookstores and other venues wondering just who the heck are you and why should they allow your book to be sold in their location. If I see Harper-Collins as a publisher, I know that name and their books tend to do well based heavily on their credentials as a publisher. But some no-name new company with no past history means taking a gamble on advertising their book (if the book does poorly, thst may affect sales for the location in general). So, it's a guarantee the book is now published with your own company, but that isn't going to streamline everything.
@Cannibal Teddy Oh wow, yikes...sounds like unfortunately, for taking one step forward, it drug you two steps back :/ Sorry to hear that.
Why would I sue other writers I'm trying to start a business with?
you know, as a writer I do find it interesting to see the difference between traditional and self publishing.
on my first book, I decided to go to traditional because on how hard self-publishing is, and like you said on your quick thoughts, traditional publishing is a great fit for those who only care for writing, and I am one of those people.
great to see more of this terrible writing advice
I've actually self-published in the past and I did so on pretty much no budget save for what was needed to have a decent amount of copies (I think I had about fifty or so available) and in the end I sold about ten copies at most, half of them were bought by family members who probably didn't even read it lol
At the end of the day I was about a hundred dollars poorer for the experience. It's a shame that I knew nothing about this channel at the time and thus learned the hard way :P
My strategy: Spend years working on the craft. Eventually, if it's good enough, somebody will want to publish my work.
if its good enough AND marketable enough* Capitalism cares more about finding the next Harry Potter more than anything. A lot of good books get rejected because "they don't hit the market"
@@MagnaGresh Depends what kind of market is being aimed for. But there are hundreds of different publishers who specialise in lots of different genres, so the idea that it needs to be another Harry Potter just isn't true. I can name ten publishers right now who most people have never heard of that specialise in niche genres. The market caters to the demands of lots of different groups, not just people who expect bestsellers. If anyone here thinks it's difficult to get their fiction published, try the poetry market! And even then - tiny sales, yet hundreds of books of new poetry are published regularly.
If writers are expecting to be the next J.K Rowling, they simply need to adjust their expectations. But being published is far from impossible. Focus primarily on making your writing the very best it possibly can be. If it's good enough, you WILL find a publisher, regardless of genre. But it'll probably be through a smaller and less well known publisher than say, Penguin, Faber, or Harper-Collins.
Also, marketability always, always involves a high degree of risk. J.K Rowling's manuscript was rejected several times because publishers didn't have a crystal ball; they could never have known that Harry Potter would become as massive as it has. There's no equation for market success. It's all about taking risks. I would argue that most book series backed by big publishing are, in terms of projected profit and market success, deemed as failures. It's all a gamble.
Umm... I'd say working years to do single craft in hopes of perfecting is kinda futile if you are doing it for "I'm sure eventually it will be my magnum opus" rather than for fun of it.
You should learn not only writing but drawing/designing and publish your art online to get a good following on Twitter/Instagram and other socials.
Woah
what if you just like went in the book store and just put your book on the shelves without asking
That just sounds like giving away free books with extra steps. =p
Should mention(at least more clearly) too that traditional publishings forced you to follow trends that the readers are already long sick of reading.
It's the sole reason light novel market is drowning in Isekais and harems and literally every other genres was snubbed from ever growing in this toxic environment. And it's not even that the Isekais are successful, most are quickly forgotten and most writers quitted before 3 years because they never found success.
There is a reason why most people talk about the same few Isekai stories. Most are just not good or outstanding.
I mean, light novels are mostly about pure entertainment or escapism, which us why you can easily find rape revenge fantasies and star crossed lovers under the same genres, tropes and even shelf sometimes.
They lack dignity for the most part, if that's the right word. In the west, the worst of the worst is boring, insulting or unimaginative, but since here we don't aim to literally pleasure the reader all the time, we have much less straight up trash and more boring stuff.
I don't know if I explained myself well. In short, our worst stuff is boring or unnecessary, their worst is revolting.
Hell, most of the successful light novels still aren't good. Goblin Slayer is pretty bad, good ideas but awful execution. Each adaptation improved on the core ideas, however. And that carries onto more light novels.
@@bar1scorpio Hmm, I haven't read goblin slayer since the goblin paladin, did it go downhill?
That's what happens in most mediums. Clueless executives just jump on the the trendiest bandwagon and it snowballs into other vapid execs doing the same until they all get the illusion that anything remotely resembling the bandwagon will be successful. Then people move to better stuff and then people try to copycat that and the cycle continues.
Okay, here's a fan theory for ya:
I think that's JP's Inner Greed locked up in the Megacorp vault.
Okay this really hurts to think about as an aspiring writer. I didn’t even know selfpublishing was a thing- and I’m now realizing I have no idea how/where to begin trying to publish
Wait! Your inner critic is the Dark Lord!! DUNDUN DUUUUUN!!! The plot thickens.
I said it before, you should make inner critic a regular character.
Man if this isn't a sly way of saying Aeon Legion 2 is coming out soon, I'm losing it.
I really hopes it comes out soon too. I should add this to my list of:''things that will most likely come out before winds of winter''
This was depressingly similar to conversations I've seen on Reddit o.0
reddit moment
I just realized something that unifies J.P. and his inner critic, they both have egos larger than Sagitarius A at this point.
We really need an episode on hacking/computers.
Imagine self-publishing a sci-fi story.
Honestly, all I got from this video is:
don't publish!
Just continue with your little webcomic, because even if no one is paying you, there is is also nothing stopping you from giving the pink dinosaur charater a hoverboarde.
oh that sounds so rad, do you actually have a webcomic?
I officially request a novel based on the exploits of General Chainsaw.
A lot of things would have a hard time finding traditional publishers. And things like KDP are their chance to sell stuff. It just is!
Books for VERY SPECIFIC markets... don't do well under traditional publishers.
But at least they can be sold through self publishing.
That and how many traditional publishers would pick up Chuck Tingles!
And yes, traditional publishing has its things. There are people making sure your book has a chance to sell! And they know their way into the book stores and markets! If you self publish that is what you have to do yourself.
You better get used to wearing many hats if you self publish!
Now there's layers to the sarcasm.
This is turning into Inception.
Each layer deeper is more stinging than the last. 🤣
“I don’t need any graphic skills to make a cover.”
* turns head slowly *
*bruh.*
It's interesting, while TWA had the script, the inner-critique was almost always right, and he was a total mess. But when the inner-critique has the script, he comes off as preachy more often, while TWA brings up several good points along with the bad. In other words, he makes both of them characters instead of one right one wrong.
This video is just what I needed, actually, having recently finished my novel. I sent out queries to around 10 different publishers and got nothing but rejections. Seriously considering self publishing, but I have no knowledge of graphic design or how to go about marketing my book.
10? Well, I've heard stories of now popular books that initially got rejected more times than that, so hey, maybe you shouldn't worry about it too much.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 I'm not worried, I'm just getting started. Thing is, self publishing is looking a mite more tempting than usual lately.
I like how the inner critic still makes slightly more sense, but it’s not entirely a one sided argument anymore, because ego JP brings up some legitimate points
2:22 "I'm somewhere between CN and NE". That'd be ce. Capitalization matters when it comes to alignment.
On a 5x5 it'd be "Rebel Impure".
“Graphic design requires no skill or imagination” me : angry vector noises
This fills me with an anger of unparalleled magnitude...
and *direction!!!*
You didn't have to expose my inner dialogues like this bro
6:57 Did my man really make 40 seconds of animation, only to cover it up with with the honest pros and cons of the two publishing options? That's dedication.
Everyone is talking about how symbolic JP and Inner Critic's characters are but no one is talking about how epic their fight scenes are. They stand there holding lightsabers and staring angrily at each other. Then the real battle starts when they give writing advice. Oh, the tension it builds up as it eventually leads to JP just winning because he was going to anyway!
Have you noticed that Inner Critic is more abrassive with JP han before?
We are nearing chapter 60 of TWA
I wonder what he will do to specialize such a special occasion
It might be time for the "IG" to be unleashed...
I was waiting for another of your videos. This wasn't what I expected, but I'm glad you made it. Keep up the good work!
While on the topic of publishing, can you do one on the topic of vanity and hybrid publishers if you're familiar enough with them? Someone in a community I'm part of just raised $5K to pay a hybrid publisher to publish their book and wouldn't listen to me when I told them I smelled a rat. Whether sarcastic or honest, I think it'd be really good to raise awareness of those types of publishers so new writers don't get suckered in and lose their money and their street cred in one go.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, can you explain a little more?