This is Supposed to Make a Double Bass Pedal OBSOLETE - Ft. Stephen Taylor
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Hearing Stephen play drum always reminds me how much I suck, so its about time I took him out of his comfort zone. Back when we were planning the 2nd kids drum set video I was asking about his double bass chops. Well, turns out we both aren't the best so we ditched that idea. So I thought it would be fun to check out The Duallist D4 pedal and see if it made us any better. This thing is trippy... It works like a normal bass pedal BUT theres an extra beater that plays on the up-stroke when lifting off the footboard. It DEFINITELY takes some getting used to and probably a bit more setup time than we did. We played on it for about 15 mins before recording the tracks, and well, its pretty obvious đ From playing on it for that short amount of time I don't think we will be replacing out double bass pedals anytime soon...
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This is Supposed Make a Double Bass Pedal OBSOLETE - Hudba
This pedal got us shook
Watch us try and destroy some snare cases! đczcams.com/video/a9EbL8Nw8wM/video.html đ
@@rdavidr They also make a triple pedal version. Good stuff. Sonor made a similar version and this guy kills them czcams.com/video/HvQArNyJMsY/video.html
Would be hilarious if you filmed yourself playing a regular kick, and reedited the video to make it like you're awesome and he's... well... Would be a very funny CZcams short, even.
@@craigstrickland1572 And he does in boots! mind blown
@@craigstrickland1572 Hahhah wow!!
Or this guy from Henker with Sonor pedal muahahah
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Take this to the next level: buy another one to have a QUADRUPLE pedal.
Fancy seeing you here
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The same company already makes a triple kick pedal, so it wouldnât surprise me if they made a quadruple kick pedal.
You need a video on this
you beat me to it. double bass, 2 of these, quad!
This is basically a device to turn experienced drummers into beginners again.
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It's a completely different way to go about double bass. It's a device that has a learning curve of its own, and many drummers cheat with this pedal by putting no power in and instead triggering their drums. Some people can do some good stuff with them, though, like quad bass.
â@@AnkothOfficial Saying triggering is cheating is dumb tbh. It's a must at high speeds as you can't hit the drum with enough power for long periods of time at higher tempos.
@Ortho-leaning Really? Tell that to Dave Lombardo, Nico Mcbrain, Gene Hoglan, and many of the old school drummers who somehow managed to do so just fine without any shortcuts. Thrash metal drummers play at high speeds without triggers all the time, yet they sound good. On the flip side, you get all the crappy modern metal (core/tech/djent) drummers who flex their drumming skills and shit but half of them use triggers to shortcut their way into achieving the desired velocity and consistency, leading to drums that sound the same with every hit and have no life or dynamics to them. Why would you bother micing up a bass at that point and not just get an electronic pad? That would save you so much space and money and the sound engineer's wouldn't have to mic up and fuck around with a drum you'll never really use, since you'll just replace it with a sample.
@@AnkothOfficial Oh boohoo. It's the 21st century boomer, get on with the times. Music is not a competition, there's no cheating. Also, Dave Lombardo didn't play 260bpm 16th notes. Oh well, too bad.
The dualist has been around for a very long time (possibly 15+ years); if it was going to make an impact it would have done years ago. I'm quite surprised it's still in production.
This the kinda stuff people say before something blows up
@@Downshift1-6 based on this video is say we're fairly safe from that đ
I saw Thomas Lang use one of these at a Modern Drummer Festival way back in 2000/2001 and the stuff he was doing with it was *nuts*. But that's really the only time I've ever seen anyone of any notoriety use one đ€·ââïž
My drum teacher had this pedal in the end of the 90ties
Youâd have to reconfigure how you play drums to incorporate this thing. We canât all be Thomas Lang lol đ
My father, a mechanical engineer, discussed this idea with me about 30 years ago, where the upstroke of the pedal would activate a second beater. About 5 minutes into the conversation we decided it was way too impractical. I think we made the right call.
I had the same convo with a hardcore punk drummer about 15 years ago. Great idea but to make it work he just couldnât get it right
Agreed, I thought of it too, long ago. No, just no.
After watching a ton of El Esteparioâs video, Iâm just here to say âYour father was a bad engineerâ
@@mariinito985 Going for dumbest comment of the year? It's early but you may still win.
Do you think the standard drummer even plays 1/10th of what that guy plays?
Come on, use your brain.
@@sydhamelin1265 I mean it's still early 2024 and I am trying to beat your dad's dumbest statement of the century award, so yeah. Wish me luck dude!
First making me play a bunch of Wuhans, now this. Next time I come to your place I'm setting your drums on fire david. đ„
HAHAHAHAHA
Or you could steal one of his snares and give it away đ
too bad theyre all in humes & berg cases đ
Stephen's 1st reaction is the exact reaction every drummer had when this pedal came out. They now make one with a slave pedal so now triple beats can be achieved or whatever 3x3x3x3x3x3x e=Mc2 lol good.luck
Rdavidr you got case money !? Whoa..
You have just relieved an underlying anxiety issue that Iâve had for 4 years. LOL. I purchased this pedal only because of the claim of producing doubles with a single pedal and because I am also an above the knee amputee (left leg). Man I buried myself into this pedal for 3 weeks straight and actually started to get it. That flies out the window the minute that you go back to a standard single pedal. Your quote is true, one must commit completely to this pedal only. I have come to the conclusion that I donât need to rip double bass that much. Carry onâŠâŠ
And that's what drummers do. What? No leg? No arm? or like me, blind? We be ahight, we got this!
I always loved the old Sonor Giant Step pedal. Its a double pedal with a heel lever and a toeboard lever, if you had the stamina to play heel up all the time its super rad!
Play around with your floor Tom. Getting more bass out of your Floor Tom tone and getting it more punchy, then hitting it with a stick between your kick hits, will create the illusion of double bass drumming. Moreover, it will sound better than any double bass pedal as you're using two drums. There's a reason why amazing double bass drummers like dave lombardo, Gene hoglan, Paul Bostaff, etc. Don't use double pedals and instead use two drums with regular single pedals - according to an interview with Dave Lombardo, he basically said that if you're hitting one drum over and over again fast, you're deadening the previous hit with the next hit, as this next hit will essentially stop the drum playing, which means you don't get as good and full of a sound as using two drums, where both drums get hit independently and get to ring out nicely before the next hit, giving a fuller tone. You can also use two different sized drums or tune them differently to get more nuanced sounds.
The floor tom trick is pretty popular, but a drummer who uses this really well is El Estepario Siberiano, who even covers metal songs that contain loads of double bass drumming with one foot, using his floor tom as a second bass drum. Recently, I've also seen that he put up a bigger bass/gong drum up on legs like a floor tom to be able to get those sounds easier.
Duallist actually makes a TRIPLE pedal that combines one of these with a left-footed bass pedal for EXTREME ACTION
Not just a triple pedal, but a QUADRUPLE pedal. Look up the drummer Morgan Sansous. It's worth it, I promise đ
Played the triple pedal , made Iron Maiden galloping bass drum licks very easy
I thought they made a pedal that instead of the button at the bottom of the pedal you just shifted the pedal the the side to engage the double beater?
Guido wyuss.... check out the sonor giant beat pedals!!!
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If Lars Ulrich made a double pedal it would sound and feel just like this.
This pedal makes you sound like Lars đ
If only you were on his level. Way below kid. đđ
Hahaha! It was literally first thing I thought of. Both of your comments made me lol! đ
Cold blooded, but Fucking hilarious!!!!!
C'mon now, let's be fair. That fuckin thing sounds better than Lars! đź
Utah Kid.......
Another solution to a problem that never existed.
Idk, could be useful for an amputee who loves metal. Pretty niche but there's probably some out there.
That's capitalism, mang. Mining the planet for shite like this.
@@fishysquidman5689 or if you want to play double bass while also opening/closing the hihats.
I canât play double bass quick enough so that would help me
Not everything is a problem that needs solving - some things are just fun or interesting to some people
Now we need to see this tested out on a double bass drum kit! See if we can get to 600bpm lol
search "quadruple blasting" on youtube. you wont be disappointed đ
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That was the first thing that came to mind lol
I'm sure some guy did it, I know I have it on my dream kit
@@rdavidr I can confirm. Was not disappointed lol
Looking at 2 drummers with WAY more experience than me struggling like this make me feel SO MUCH BETTER!!!!
Thank you so much ^^ Best vid ever!
Alternate Title: 2 really talented drummers find a way to make themselves sound terrible
Who said that they needed help. Looks to me like one fool helping another. HEY!!!!......Dualing IDIOTS!!!!.....great new name for this channel.
This looks like something that shouldnât even exist in our world
Also the way Stephen reacted to it at the end was hilarious đ
It was. I saw one of them decades ago. After seeing this, I love my double bass pedal
These mfâs just donât know how to use the damn thing đ
The guitar center here had one a decade ago. They had it setup on a kit and I got used to it pretty quick. It was pretty cool. I was able to get pretty fast 16th notes
When the dualistic came out I was just getting into percussion. I thought it was probably the best invention ever thought of for drumming. Glad I couldn't afford one.
Sonor makes a similar pedal called "Twin Effect"
Theres a popular video of a French metal drummer playing two of them at the same time on separate bass drums and it's crazy
But it makes much more sense because you can actually play it normal or heeltoe and thats when shit kicks in. Thomann used to sell these back in the for 666 euros :D I wouild love to try em because i play a lot heeltoe stuff.
Link?
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I had too 2 of these sonor twin effects.
Itâs way, way hard to control them that it looks, it just melt your brain.
Even the single one is really hard to play.
And precision and constant volume is hard to achieve, kudos to who can play precisely.
But you can have better control of everything you play.
I loved them but I sold them (for cheap, btw, nobody wanted them).
@@besticouldget drum-tec has one for 160⏠I think
It'd be sweet if y'all did a challenge where you pick random hardware/drum pieces out of a hat (or David's beard) and you have to play to a track. The hardware would have to be sort of ridiculous, much like this pedal, as well as adding some wacky stuff made in the workshop or whatever you could find. Kinda like an rdavidr game show.
Why tf arenât more people liking this, this sounds like an extremely funny idea.
@@jacob6862 I'm hoping one day we can get something like the Coop3rdrumm3r vs Cobus Potgieter drum battle. The Dave/Stephen duo is a match made in heaven, so I do wish more people were on board so they can see the fans asking for it, haha
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all the gimich stuff, that "fixes" an issue that it creates, and then makes worse? There's a gang of that stuff out there. That is a great idea. I'd watch it! Like that Tama foot operated drop clutch, or the Tama stilt stands... hmm, a pattern? lol well, that 250 pound Sonor tom mount system on like a GP bass drum, get as far as you can before the bass caves in lmao
If you want to see Duallists used to full potential check this out. 2 duallists, 1 kit. Quad bass Setup.
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The Dualist has been occasionally making some fuss in the metal community for something like 10 years. For every one person who can *Kind* of play it, you have 500 others who wouldn't even bother because of how inarticulate and un-intuitive it is. The fact that most drummers can't name a single notable drummer who uses regularly should say enough.
Also, even when you learn to play it correctly - you need to use triggers of some variety to make up for the totally inconsistent power that the pedal produces. Which of course artificially inflates the price to use the pedals in any sort of environment where your bass drum needs to be heard.
this
Will calhoun used it pretty damn well
Itâs great for building the muscles to play double bass, Iâm not gonna necessarily take it with me to a gig but if I need to practice playing double bass and build my legs up, this pedal is definitely great for that.
The drummer for Henker uses the quadruple version and heâs CRAZY fast with it
Didnt Charlie Benante use one?
I used to run a recording studio out in the middle of nowhere for local bands. This is exactly what a typical small town drummer, that never practices, sounds like. Only thing is they are using normal gear and not that monstrosity.
Imagine 2 of these thođłđłđł
I know a guy who epoxied a shoe to his one so that he could have some control on the upstroke. It actually worked pretty well until one show when he forgot his carpet and the bass drum started creeping forward, we all thought he was going to get dragged with it and have a horrible time but he was able to yank using his foot and drag the drum back into position. The downfall came after 25 mins of pushing and pulling, the shoe became unstuck and then he couldn't play properly, or drag the drum back from the edge of the riser. Fond memories.
Thatâs exactly what I thought that thing would do. Thanks for filming & sharing!
I feel like this was designed by an engineer that wasn't actually a drummer.
The guys at Dualist today
"Did you hear rdavidr and Stephen Taylor did a review of our pedal on CZcams?"
"Oh sick! That should help boost sales, lets go check it out."
"Oh. Oh God. Oh God No.."
ah yes, the innate instinct of drummers to stare at your feet when they're not doing what you want them to do
Itâs important to look really confused, too. Everyone needs to know that you donât know whatâs going on, either.
In the 1980s when I was a really super serious skateboarder, there were kids who presented themselves as skaters but were just really good at walking on their hands, and so they'd just do handwalks all day and couldn't do any tricks on flat or on ramps at all. This reminds me exactly of that.
This was damn funny. Thanks for the vid. While it may not be a good pedal, it's risks like this that lead to successful Innovations. Have to admire the effort.
Whoa. I totally remember these, and I totally remember laughing at them 20 years ago. I always wanted to put two of them on a double bass kit because those runs have to be hilarious.
Thatâs a clean ass groove on that bass drum with that Dualist! Mad respect! That pedal melted my brain! đ
This is the perfect pedal for those that want to travel back to the time when we were first learning how to play double bass drum and had zero consistency. David, just be real, its a bad pedal, especially if it's a hindrance. "Can I have a refund, please?" Was gold.
I used the D3 when I recorded with my old band. The pedal is unique and you do need to make adjustments so the beater strikes are consistent. I also spoke to kevin mackie who designed it and made adjustments like heavier beaters. Once you learn to switch off and not over think its a great piece of kit. I know saxons drummer is endorsed but duallist too.
I remember seeing these when I FIRST started drumming many years ago and thinking it was awesome. I had forgotten about them and now I think quite the opposite. Disgusting. They even have a triple pedal apparently. But I mean if it works for you, you do you man. Doesn't matter how you do it if you get the sound you want.
my thoughts exactly. I wanted one sooooo bad back in the day lol
I can see value in the triple pedal, but the double just seems like a noob trap
I haven't seen this pedal for a decade! Awesome testing!
The funniest thing I've seen this year so far. :)))))))) Thank you, guys! =)))))))))
I looked at the pedal adjust the spring tension on the auto beater, itâs reversed. My theory is that the tighter it is the harder it hits.
This pedal is the answer to a question that no one is asking.
You guys are a blast, and are amazing!
Great video! You can feel the frustration!
It's not supposed to, because a double bass is much easier to control and let's be honest, looks 1000x cooler
They also have regular pedals, that are single based. That DuPont material is groundbreaking. Extremely light and strong like carbon fiber. Very fast regular pedal
Iâve been looking for one of these for so long!!!
Just something else for you guys to master great vid
I remember seeing one of those on a NAMM video from like 6-7 years ago IIRC. Blew my 12 year old mind lol
Are yall really just now hearing about this pedal? Lol I'm surprised they are still around. I remember seeing this in the drum mags 10-15 yrs ago. Long enough ago that ppl were still buying magazines haha
I had literally never heard of this pedal...I was completely confused when he brought it out. Total truth right there
@@StephenTaylorDrums Yea. It never got popular for obvious gimmicky reasons. Lol I was more surprised with seeing it in a video from 2022 haha
@@StephenTaylorDrums oh. You should see if you can find their 3 beater double pedal! Lol I'm serious. They made em...
Longer than that. I had the triple version well over 15 years ago! It was terrible then too.
Dude, you had me cracking up at the "..I thought staring at it would help." tag... Too funny. đ€
This was quite funny to watch đ I was expecting by the end for you guys to be great at it haha. You know that you can get the double pedal version of it which has 3 beaters?
I remember when those came out. I had just started playing drums. And I wanted to play double pedal but couldnât. So I thought I needed one of those. đ
That was EXACTLY me back in middle school when I first saw a video of one. I wanted one so badđ
I know: Get a second bass drum with another Duallist on it.
I did that already. Check this out
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This is EXACTLY the feeling I had the first time I tried a double bass pedal. It's like relearning to play the drums.
You two are great. Thanks for this
Appreciate it manđ€
Imagine having 2 of those pedals and play with 4 kick!!
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Woooo!
Ok waitâŠ. I think it has a whole lot of adjustment points and then I donât like how the one pedal ejectsâŠ. I personally wouldnât use this pedal because itâs so unnatural. Lol cool vid though!
Thanks for that honest and hilarious review đ
I really enjoy watching how these two talented drummers struggle with this simple piece of equipment because it's very much how I struggle with simple equipment.
So, as the tradition goes, I will now enter that comment : "Make a drumkit just with pedals!"
The funny thing is...the first time I heard about double bass pedals 15 years ago, I totally thought this is how they actually worked đ€Ł
You know what I like about this video? It goes against the idea of perfectionism. We see all these videos of all these awesome drummers and we just assume they sit down at the kit and magic happens. We don't see the practice or the struggle when something new challenges them. You both weren't afraid to post a video of yourselves not playing at 100% and it's such a refreshing change.
Back in the 90s my drum teacher was some sort of distributor for these things. I never tried one, though, and seeing this you mentioned exactly the issue I expected at the time.
Seems like the dualist kind of sucks, thanks for the vid
Surprise surprise
@@toivo.u I was thinking of getting one a while back for quadruple bass.. Donâtrhink iâll be doing that
Cheating and it sucks!!
I have one of these with a good Roland edrum set up and I love it! I have complete control of the hi-hat all times and can make some really interesting bass drum patterns at the same time.
Stellar review! Great humor!
Never watched your videos before and I was laughing the whole first minute because of ingenious editing đ€Ł
You guys made my day with this video lol
The only drummer I know by name who uses one of these regularly is Will Calhoun of Living Colour: He uses two kicks, his main is a 22 with a Sleishman double pedal (the pedal where both pedals are offset from the center) and a 20 on his left with this Duallist pedal. It's an interesting design and he makes it work, but I don't think I would ever buy this for myself as it doesn't feel natural for me or like something I'd personally have a use for. But if it suits you then by all means go for it!
The memes in the first part have been top tier amigo. đ
I absolutely loathe the pedal, but loved the video! Great job guys! Looked like it was a lot of fun to make and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it! Lol
That Action Would Drive Me NUTS! Thank you for suffering through for all of us!!!!! LOL
Looks like a great way to bring good drummers down to my level
Wow, this is a blast from the past. I remember a buddy of mine bought one back in the day. After a week he threw off the roof of his rehearsal space.
Dude Iâve seen this pedal in the back of Modern Drummer for years in the ad section⊠Iâve never actually seen it in action. Thanks!
Nice to see u two guys together...2 points of views...interesting device...thanks for the entertainment and advice guys!!
You guys just broke the internet lol, this is one of the funniest things to watch đ€Ł đ€đ€
I've literally felt how hard was that. Thanks for video
As "difficult" as playing with that pedal was for them the video was endlessly hilarious! Lol. An experience like this can make an seasoned drummer remember was it can be like to be a beginner. Also it would force someone to practice like a beginner when they may not have in a LONG time. Lol. Cool video. Thanks for posting.
âYou ever seen one of these before?!â ââŠâŠâŠ.I donât knowâ đđđđđ
When Stephen looked at it and they played the AOL dial up soundsđ€Łđđ€Łđđ€Łđđ€Łđ. They both played this so good lol you guys had me dying the whole video lol. I've honestly never actually seen this pedal before either lol
I feel so gratified seeing this pedal so many years later and seeing what a load of GOOP this thing is
Now this is the promo video I've been waiting for. lol
Only thing missing were the "wait wait wait!" you shout like a kid showing a new trick !
Hahahaha ! Great stuff guys !
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Never mind the nice beat, I'm just amazed to see someone was able to use that pedal the way it was meant to be used. That thing confused tf out of me. I gave up too quick and went back to 2 pedals. Just another example of how awesome this guy is for me.
I think the idea was there, but there's to many outside variables to make this usable.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
Awesome video!
âAh thatâs just grossâ pretty much sums it up perfectly with honorable mention going to â Iâm not excited about this at allâ.
I remember seeing these in a Musician's Friend catalogue in high school and being mesmerized. I always wondered how'd it's play.
Was about to buy one, then saw this video and changed my mind!
I had so much fun watching you guys struggle with this pedal! Now I wish I could try it to see how awkward it feels...
Its clever; ill give it that. Im actually really impressed at how even the strokes sound (the down vs. the "rebound" stroke)... looking at this I expected there would be a lot of lag or a really weak upbeat. But they are pretty even doubles. I guess the flip side is that it would be super hard to play this thing dynamically.
I'm trying to imagine what it feels like physically and I'm going cross-eyed. And yet I'm positive there's someone out there unironically playing the hell out of this thing; hey... you do you.
"Let's do triplets" =D
this had me in stitches, thanks guys!
Just to offer a slightly different take on these pedals... they are FANTASTIC for percussionists.
For example: song has a continuous bongo and/or conga pattern * and * 16ths on tambourine during the chorus? Mount a tamb. on a Gajate bracket, and attach it to the Duallist. Now you can do both at once!
Yes, this pedal has issues with feel (and requires A LOT of fine-tuning) due to the design, and requires the player to concentrate on the upstroke just as much as the down... but it has its place. It's just that that place isn't on a drumkit. đ
Love the ending
I missed this channel. Fell off my YT homepage a few years ago for some reason and then I remembered about it
Iâd love to see you guys review the dualist triple pedal!
Iâve always wanted to try one of these, I first saw one about twenty years ago when I started out. I would be excited to try out something different.
More than 20 years ago now, at the British Music Fair, I saw a pedal called 'VRUK', which was a heel/toe strike arrangement with just the one beater. The demo guy was incredibly good on it and if you're into that sort of stuff, I would have thought that drummers would love it, but it just seemed to fade away!
I remember dreaming about having two of these on a double bass kit when they first came out. Luckily I didnât have the money back then, so I was never let down⊠until now.
I had one of these, probably around 12 years ago had pink writing on the footboard, have mixed feelings, very fast doubles but quite a heavy action, I went direct drive and never looked back but part of me would still love one just for a bit of fun.
Lol 30+ years since I first tried one of those. It's fun to see they're still not any easier đ