M1 - Carbine Original Standard Products
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- Shooting, showing, & discussing the history of this handy little piece of history. Actually, after recently getting out my magnifying glasses and flashlights, I've decided this carbine (receiver) is a Standard Products carbine. The first two letters are definitely "ST," which leaves no other choice, really. The rear sight is staked, so I just don't really want to hammer it off there. :-) Also, I've read quite a bit since doing this old video; it's pretty much consensus tha Carbine Williams was responsible for the basic design of the gas system, and that's about it.
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Dad bought me an M1 carbine when I was 15 for my birthday. Loved that that gun with all my heart. I walked a million miles through the woods with it. When I was 17 I had to sell it to pay for the insurance on my '80 F250 truck. To late for a short story but Jan of '19 I bought it back! It was like meeting with a long lost friend!
Good for you
Thanks for the review Hickok, My dad carried an M1 carbine in WWII he was a mortar guy during the battle of the bulge. He was rated a marksman with it so I guess he could shoot it pretty good. His position was over run during the German offensive so I'm sure he had to use his. He called in an artillery strike on or near his own position so he was wounded during that engagement. Thankfully he wasn't killed, or I wouldn't be here he survived it all and was awarded the bronze star and the purple heart.
my grandfather was a paratrooper in ww2 and carried one and he was able to keep it after the war and my family still has it.
Same here. My dad carried one as an artillery observer in Italy. I like Hickok's review much better than Forgotten Arms German bias...
Signsalive-net respect to your father. brave man. God bless🇺🇸
Signsalive-net my great grandfather taught in the battle of the bulge, I think infantry so he probably carried an m1 garand. Sad because I never got to meet him, he died before I was born due to lung cancer.
my great grandfather was captured in the battle of the bulge and was a prisoner for quite some time, he survived.
Don't under estimate the .30 carbine round. It does what it is supposed to do. It's definitely not "under powered." It will reach out to beyond 200 yards with authority. A very decent close quarter performer.
+George Drifter Yep, mostly it's just fashionable to criticize the .30 Carbine round. Yep, it's not a .30-06, but then neither are most other common rounds.
Agree. I've got an Inland one. Shoots great and is a lot of fun. Mine is beat up in the stock like Mr Hickok's is in the video but that just adds character.
+hickok45 my grandad hated it. it went click when it should have gone bang and he got a 7.92 hole in his stomach and he didn't eat right for the rest of his life
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Totally agree. Superior to the .357 mag.
I crack up when I hear people say the M-1 Carbine is underpowered. Audie Murphy, the most decorated American Soldier in WWII, carried one through out the Italian and Western Europe Campaign.
Murphy was all of 5 Foot Five and 120 lbs. (not including the brass set he walked around with) The Texan was a crack shot with that Carbine.
According to the book last stand of fox company, marines in Korea despised it for being underpowered. After waves of Chinese soldiers were shot down the marines would inspect the bodies and they found that most of the Chinese soldiers would have multiple bullets in them before finally dying and they would even find some bullets that didnt even penetrate, stuck in their insulated winter snow suits.
@pierusofpella Opiates don't really work like that. Theyll make someone not care as much about dying or pain, but it's not gonna numb anything or make you Scarface. Ibuprofen is actually more effective at blocking pain reception.
@pierusofpella IIRC, I read somewhere that the M1 cartridge has the same energy at 100 yards as a .357 Magnum has at the muzzle. Definitely not timid!
@pierusofpella Opiates is not meth. Opiates numb you and slow down the brains response. Most people who use smack look like they are dead.
@@junioraltamontent.7582 then why are their marines on the military channel and in stories saying the same thing about 223 and the Iraqis and them taking sprays from m16s and standing and fighting till their body shut down
I inherited this gun, in really great condition! I wasn't sure what I had, and ALMOST let it go......thank God for your videos! I realized what I had, found about 12 magazines in the safe as well, took it to the 'smith for inspection and cleaning. NOW it is one of my FAVORITE guns! Goes to the range every week with me. I love love love this rifle. And thank you for the history lesson.
Don't shoot it anymore. It is probably worth more then you think. If in good condition an original M1 carbine can go gor 2grand. And that is not even the base line. That is mid range. You have a piece of history ma'am. Keep it safe.
TheTyrial86 whats the point of owning a nice rifle if you won't shoot it? It was built to be shot and abused. Money can be made any day of the week, but not the experience of shooting one of these old warhorses.
mike C It isn't because it shouldn't be shot. It is to preserve the history of that particular rifle. It went through hell. And came back home. Honestly that is why. It would be one thing shoot one that is low quality or something like a repro. But it has family attachment. And originality. Something quite rare. Which is why I said what I said.
TheTyrial86 I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is steel and wood is not going to last forever. It is better to use it now when you can than just have it in a safe scared of getting a scratch on it. Also since it has a Family attachment, it is unlikely it will be sold so monetary conservation is not important. also .30 carbine ammunition is not known to be too powerful and thus will cause less wear and tear on the barrel than say .30-06 in an m1 garand. not trying to start anything by the way, always good to meet a fellow milsurp collector!
mike C I was really just meaning to keep it safe. Most people when they inherit firearms just pawn them or put them somewhere to be damaged and forgotten. No harm in enjoying it. But it is more then an heirloom its a part of history. I don't k ow maybe it is the nerd in me talking.
My dad had an M1 Carbine tucked away for 20 years and we took it out to shoot and it was purely amazing and my new favorite rifle.
I love how people badmouth the M1/M2 Carbine and how it has "no stopping power" and then turn around and praise the MP5 and it's 9mm.
Yes, i had blood shooting from my eyeballs a few minutes ago. My paw was watching a documentary on the M1 Garand, with some old man blathering about how he would see people get shot 5-6 times with the Carbine & keep running, while one shot from the Garand put them down every time. I started yelling BS on the old man until my dad finally changed channels. The more i listened to this old man, the more i doubted that he was even a veteran, much less one that had ever seen any combat, though he "claimed" to have been a paratrooper. Sad as it is, there are many, many people who will "invent" their own war record in order to re-write their real war time history! Disgraceful!
The co carbine is slightly more powerful then a 357 magnum and their loads were about the same in the military ut ya super weak
.30 carbine has more than 1100 joules/cm of energy how that would not be more powerful than a .45
The mp5 was chosen for its stopping power as an smg
I picked up an M2 Carbine in Nam; got it off a dead VC. The VC probably got it off an ARVN, and with me it made the complete come back around. -Gunny T sends
rambokicksass77 It has been a privilege - tough at the time, never the less a privilege.
Got it off a dead VC hahahaha
GET SOME!
Please post a video of your M2 capture, I love looking at those things...the fact that you seized it yourself makes it 10x more interesting to us history buffs.
Oh yeah, CHARLIE DON'T SURF!
TheJeffNasty I was not allowed to keep any automatic weapons. The M2 is a fully automatic weapon. In fact, I didn't get to bring anything home except the clothes on my back.
M1 Carbine is such a great rifle. Nothing annoys me more than when people say (but it's just a pistol cartridge, so how is it any deadlier than just using a pistol). But some people don't realize that a longer rifled barrel will increase the velocity a lot more. Increased velocity = increased kinetic energy = increased accuracy = increased range. Not to mention the higher the velocity along with it being a full metal jacket bullet will increase chance of armor penetration.
Avenging Angel yeah look at the 9mm carbines around today. great velocities compared to say a glock 9mm. and the recoil is far less and the rounds are far cheaper.
belac snrub
So true. I feel like carbines could benefit poor militaries because the cost of ammo is very cheap compared to rifles.
***** I agree, and to think they also make carbine rifles to shoot 357. Matter of fact, there's a carbine that shoots 500 mag. It's a nice lever rifle. It's crazy to think that 500 magnum can rip through level IIIA body armor, that's 16 layers of kevlar. Now imagine it through a carbine rifle. I feel like that kind of power could tear through thick steel.
*****
If you're interested, look at the Towner 500. Most beautiful rifle I've seen. It's a pump action 500 S&W rifle. If you compare a 500 mag to a 5.56, it's actually larger. But of course less accurate because of the rounded nose.
Lol pretty sure all the people killed by this weapon didn't think it was underpowered.
Holding an M1, fixing bayonet: “Oh, hi...” 😂😂👍🏻
I flew helicopters in RVN and had one of these that I happened to pick up somewhere along the way. I remember having three "banana clips" full of tracers taped together. I also carried a 1911 on my hip. I think I was 19 at the time and I thought I was a young John Wayne. I have one of these today and I fondle it like it was an old girlfriend. Thanks for this review.
my grandfather was a huey gunner and he said his helicopter had two carbines and 3 mags each just in case
A factory loaded .30 carbine round carries the same energy at 100 yds as a .357 magnum at point blank range from a 6" revolver. Now that may not be as powerful as a .308, but I sure as heck would not want to get hit with a .357 at point blank range. There are thousands of dead Germans and Japanese that would argue the point that the .30 carbine is not effective. Within its range of 100 to 150 yards, it is very effective.
And you have to remember the military uses ball ammo. There os plenty of hunting and self defense ammo chambered in 30 carbine that can take down deer. If it can take down a deer it can take down a human. Its the same story with 223/556
In Korea the enemy we're climbing all over the fox holes you didn't have to worry about the range of it the ma duce's took care of that you needed something you could shoot all day and night and fight hand to hand bayonet fighting you want something light so you can fight for extended periods of time and win the battle
I killed a few deer with mine never had any problems finding them using core loks of course great size carbine an recoil for my kids
I inherited a Plainfield M1, probably made in the 70's, from my uncle who passed away last year. I got to fire it for the first time this past weekend. I was shooting at an old cedar stump and it knocked some big pieces off of it. It will empty a magazine as fast as you want, and the mild recoil made it easy to sight quickly after each shot. It is almost identical in weight and feel to a regular Ruger 10-.22 with a wood stock. Supposedly it has similar ballistics to a .357. Fun little gun!
Yes. Plainfield is my first choice for commercial reproduction. Just found an iver Johnson. So the milsurps can rest easy and not be used a great amount. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🔥🔥💪💪👍👍
That cartridge began life as the .32 WCF. The projectile was was reduced from .311 inch to .308 ". Mine is all Winchester and I have ad it since 1962. Fun gun. I used another one at Inchon, in 1950, but it was an M2.
Winchester Self Loading, WSL 32.
My Grandfather carried one in Germany after he made sgt. He said it sure was light compared to the Garand, but wasn't worth having when the @#$ hit the fan. He was sorry he traded his M1 Garand away and promptly found another. I love your videos, spend countless hours watching to the dismay of my spouse. lol My Grandad turns 97 this year and proud to have him. The first rifle I ever shot was a SS cadet training rifle he brought back. We still have it, .22LR built on a Mouser frame. Thanks again for the videos.
Chad Feemster My father was in the 26th Infantry. He was in command of a three man machine gun squad. He did not like the carbine. He loved his 30.06 machine gun and the Garand. Their water cooled machine gun would supply hot water for coffee on a freezing cold night.
My Pop told me several times that this was the best gun he ever shot. Pop was not an enthusiast, he was a survivor. I have had two other men who have used this gun in combat and both of them and my Pop stated the same thing, "It is a man killer". No matter what anyone has said, the guy's who used the WWII version in the Pacific thought highly of this weapon. Moe
Sir....the history never bores me!! Please keep it coming!!
Thanks for loading!!
Handiest little carbine ever made.
My brother (32 year career Marine) carried one of these during his 3rd tour in Vietnam (Quang Tri Province). He had the option of choosing his weapons to carry - he went with the M1 Carbine and a 38 revolver. He still has high praise for the M1 Carbine as combat weapon...
My grandpa carried one in Vietnam, he was an artillery observer in the early part of the war. He loved that thing, he bought two at some point after and I've fired them. God, they're a ton of fun.
they still issue M1 Carbines here to reservists.
can't blame 'em. handy little carbine.
During WW2 my dad was a Navy medic the Marines which with he served would borrow his weapon when on patrol, they loved it.
20th
you should do a newer video on the m2 carbine
+Spooked Solid Yes we need a chapter 2
While I was in country in the lovely RVN I swapped my M16 and carried the M2 instead. It still worked even when it got full of river muck, rice paddy mud or whatever other crud that found its way into the action. If it got too bad you could drop the mag and flush the action with water and be good to go in a hurry. I couldn't say the same for the Mickey Mouse special. Yeah,I know if it's kept clean the M16 is pretty reliable. The crappy ammo we had didn't help either, but the M2 just kept on ticking. The only problem I ever had with mine was magazine issues - especially FTF in the 30 rd ones. Cured that by only loading 25 rds. Maybe it would have been different if the action had been at longer ranges, but I never saw any stopping power issues. A center mass hit was decisive every time. Of course, the military has had similar issues with the M4 in the sandbox. Great for urban conflict, but not so much when the distances get long.
I just inherited one of these. It belonged to my grandpa who was a truck driver in WW2. He was in the invasion of Germany. I also inherited his Colt 1911 .45. treasured possessions that I will always keep.
hickok45, I love how you always include the history of the weapons you use. Not enough people know the stories behind these guns.
I LOVE my M1 carbine. Just so cool.
What's funny is that the M1 carbine is illegal in California, but the Garand isn't. Welcome to nonsensical gun control laws.
The Garand has a capacity of only 8 rounds, which is under the "10 round limit" in California, while the M1 Carbine houses 15, which is over the "10 round limit"
The state of California only considers the M1 carbine an assault weapon if you insert a magazine that holds greater than 10 rounds. It does not have any "evil" features (pistol grip, thumb hole stock, collapsable stock, etc)
+TheWeskerman If California has a restriction to under 10 rounds, then is the .303 British banned?
no, it's not a semi-auto. therefore, not an "assault weapon."
alneal100 If its has more than 10 bullets and the weapon isn't semi automatic, then yes.
If it's a "Saginaw" those parts were made at the Saginaw Steering Gear plant that made steering columns for General Motors. The plant was bought recently by a Chinese company and is now called Nexteer Automotive and they still make steering components for the auto industry. The radio station I work at is just a couple miles down the road here in Saginaw Michigan and I have been there many times covering stories for the news.
I live near the plant too. China sucks
Mr Hickok, my M1 Carbine came to me from my daddy. He bought the gun new in the mid 60's. It is from The Universal Firearms Company in Florida. This gun is outwardly identical to the original, internal there are some differences, in return spring, for example.
Now, my eyes are that good anymore, so I had a smith, press out the rear peep sight and had him put on a scope mount. To which I mounted a pistol scope on. A great lil gun, somewhat heavy trigger pull though. I have shot deer with it, using jacketed soft point bullets. I even plinked a beer can off a fence post at 160 yard!
Thanks for such a great video- I recently learned there is an M1 Carbine in my family. It says "Alpine" under the rear sight and unfortunately has my Grandfather's social security number engraved in a couple spots but it's OK because I would never sell it. He bought it for hunting whitetails, and I'm planning to convince my Dad to send it my way for a good cleaning and light repair. I want to see how it fires and then find an original sling and bayonet for it. Thanks again, subbed!
The criticism of the .30 carbine round being under powered always comes up when talking about the M1A. What never seems to get talked about is that, if you really think about it, it has much better ballistics than .45 ACP, but no one shrugs off a Thomson's. If you consider the M1A as more of a machine pistol that fires a rimless .357 magnum round, its pretty damn awesome.
+quistan2 you can consider the M1/2 carbine as either a slightly underpowered assault rifle or high-powered submachinegun.
+ZERO94AIC well, a lot of folks think .223 is underpowered for use against humans too.... ;o)
+ZERO94AIC I don't disagree.....but there are some who wil....
armynurseboy .223 / 5.56 is under-powered for its purpose not in and of itself. Its the low bar for intermediate rifle cartridges, however, if you lighten the platform, as an MP class its just fine.
Starts with an "ST"? Saginaw Steering? I have a 1943 Quality Hardware (QHMC), with an Inland Division of GM barrel. It has an "A. Dalkin & Company of Chicago" Slide. An "Inland" Trigger housing, and an "Underwood" hammer.
My Grandfather was a Guard a Fort Knox during WW2 he carried a Carbine... He never saw Combat with it but he often talked about the love of that rifle. Recently at a gun show I found an Inland carbine and I was gonna pass it by but I noticed that it had paper work from FT. Knox on it.. Needless to say Impulse buy.. It wasent the rifle my grandfather used but it didnt matter to me, it was where he was and that's enough... Showed it to him and it it was like he saw an old friend.. it was awesome
That’s what my dad always carried. He was an assault engineer and on the front line from D-day to VE-day. It was a popular rifle for officers who wanted more than a sidearm.
I have read that the M-1 carbine from WWII had a flat top bolt. I have also read that
any M-1 carbine with a bayonet lug had it put on them after WWII. I enjoyed your video perhaps what I have read was not accurate but thought to share the information for what it may be worth. Respectfully!!!
Is the M-2 the version that was selectively Full or semi-auto?
If so would the same characteristic identifiers still be true?
I was noticing too the example in this video has the bayonet lug and what appears to be the round M2 bolt. I own a similar example in semiauto. Likely a "mixmaster" refurbed after Korea and later redeployed. Detailed examination would be required to determine actual history and even then may not be conclusive.
Thanks for the clarification!
It shoots a 110grain FMJ at about 2000 FPS and 1000 ft lbs of energy I am content with it. A good home defence weapon small weapon and semi-auto with a 30 caliber bullet. Can't ask for much more then that. It will get the job done on deer just have to be within 100 yards of them and know where your gonna hit.
The "dangerous looking" with he 30 round clip. Many thugs would readily flee at the sight of it. Working the action makes a respectable sound that could send them away quickly. I'm thinkinking adding the bayonet would also deter an intruder, rushing you goes out the window.
Wouldn't wanna be shot period haha.
Victor Smith
Leave the deer alone
Awesome! I like the M1 Carbine but I love the M1 Garand!
I have a '43 Underwood with (almost certainly) the original barrel going by the dates involved.
Great little rifle and highly misunderstood. It was never designed to replace full-sized battle rifles. It was designed and produced to give secondary troops a small, lightweight rifle that offered more capabilities in most circumstances than a pistol or revolver. In that capacity it was an excellent weapon.
Thanks for this look at my past. This is the gun that helped me shoot "expert" during Air Force basic training In 1964. I had never fired a rifle before so I give the gun all the credit.
Hes wearing ear plugs, but crazy thing is the soldiers in the past wars never wore anything, I've shot a .38 once with out plugs just to know and idk how they did it repeatedly with machine guns, shotguns etc which is insane
+Joe Beef Eventually your ears become used to it. Or you just go deaf... whichever comes first.
ambuser47 lol wow that's horrible, i dont think your ears get used to it, its more like you are becoming deaf lol
+Joe Beef I've shot a lot without hearing protection, not bragging, I know it's a bad thing, 308, 556, 45, 9, 22, And still I hear annoyingly well, I really hate having sensitive hearing so I always sleep well after getting back from shooting. Also people who train only with hearing protection are in for a big surprise if they are forced to shoot without it in a self defense situation.
BOOM! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........
WHAT!!!!!!
JUST LIKE SMOKING IT'S NOT SMART BUT HEY ARE YOU GOING TO SAY "HEY MR.CRAZED-CARJACKER LET ME GET MY EYES AND EARS ON",
I'd really like to see the accuracy of all these "professional shooters" without hearing protection and how they would react to an undiminished gunshot, All those logo's on their t-shirt, tricked out gun, highspeed gear and millions of rounds would all be reset if you're not prepared for the shock to the ear drums that explosion produces.
Them guys in WW2 chain smoked, were shelled, mutilated, deafened, marched in boots, banzai'ed, blitzkrieg'ed, scaled cliffs, jumped out of planes, went down with the ship, crawled trough mg-42's,
THEY WERE NOT SAFETY SALLEY's.
+Lex Luthor
Noise doesn't affect marksmanship. If it does, you need to practice more. In the modern day with electronic earpro, there is no reason to not use hearing protection if you can.
Many GI's did have ear protection when going into enclosed areas, a spent case or some beeswax pressed in the ear. WWII had a lot of open feild shooting, which generally contributes to less noise bouncing back. Additionally, most firearms were running longer barrels and less powder which contributed to lower noise compared to our "short" modern day carbines. Sure there was hearing damage, but not as bad as one would think. Chances are that you would be wounded or die before you noticed hearing loss.
That's why none of the old fuckers can hear well.
my father used one of those in the army in germany as MP during the korean war
time,
Merriam-Webster does list both pronunciations, but the first (i.e., preferred) option is BEAN...
+Craig Rigby Depends on who's doing the "preferring." :-)
+hickok45 Sage as always! That's why you have such a tremendous following, including myself. Now, please DON'T submit a video on a Jaguar. There would be dozens of comments from our British friends on the correct pronunciation of those cars! Best regards...
+hickok45 please add a .50 berett video
+hickok45 Good One
If websters thinks it should be 'bean' that is prima facie evidence it should be 'bine' as far as im concerned.
I got one that I inherited from my father in law. And he got it from his father. He ordered it through the NRA. It came via the Anniston Army Depot, in Anniston Alabama (he lived in Tennessee). I have the purchase order that came with it. It is dated June 21, 1963. (I was 3.) He paid $17.50 for it with $2.50 for "packing and handling", for a grand total of $20.00. I have taken it to the range, it is deadly accurate and with no recoil to speak of. Of course with its history in war and with my wife's family history and both of our families veterans in the Army, Air Force, and Marines, needles to say it is the prize of my gun collection. It is stamped Underwood on the barrel, and it's serial # is 337,XXX. I feel blessed to own it and sometimes wonder about the guy who carried it. Fighting for his life. Sleeping with one eye open in fox holes in all kinds of weather. I hope he made it home. We owe such a mighty debt to our vets that can never be repaid. But we should all try, every day! GOD BLESS America! GOD BLESS our vets!
Great channel, your reviews are always excellent. Tried out the M1 .30 yesterday and fell in love instantly.
especially with modern bullets, and M1 carbine is more than enough for home defense
Would be neat to see a Part 2 of this, the quality of this older video is very sub-par by current standards.
I love my M1
it is very valuable
mint condition--
not a scratch
I got one from a cousin who was a gunner's mate on the Kearsarge when it was still the flag ship. He spent a good deal of time finding a really good one. When he got it in Bremerton, it was still wrapped and in cosmoline.
It made me a PERFECT little Saddle Gun and Brush Gun for the Pacific coast undergrowth.
-- And the M2 wasn't a completely different rifle...M2 was the Trigger Group.
The M1 carbine was the first military rifle I ever shot. I was about 10, my uncle was a sheriff deputy in Fl and the carbine is what he kept in his squad car. This would have been around 1977. I spent 23 years in SF, so at various times I got the chance to fire (or be fired at) by just about every weapon imaginable. I got quite a few different guns, but my M1 carbine (bought in 1992 for $125) is my favorite.
A year or two after this video was made a stash of m1s and m1 carbines were found in Korea left over from that war. But our dear president wouldn't allow them to be shipped back to the US.
Daniel Bush Now, a certain businessman is in line to be sworn in. I think those rifles will be coming home; I REALLY want an M1 carbine or two of my own!
Daniel Bush I'm Korean, and I just wanted to mention that the guns were not 'leftover'. They were used by the reserved forces. However, I've heard that they are being replaced with M16s.
Han Nathan Just out of curiosity, do you know how late they were used and if they're still around?
Daniel Bush I believe that most of the reserve forces still use the M1. They've been used so much that my uncle told me a friend of his dropped his M1 and the stock broke off.
hickok45 : Can you make an video on the Japanese Arisaka model 1944? I Like this channel... I'm a gun enthusiast but I don't fire them, just interested on the history and background information. Thanks hickok45, more power to your channel!
Carbine Williams created the short stroke piston for the rifle.
Yep.
i love how the cicadas go quiet when you shoot, and then build up afterwards. good review.
Hickok, you sir are awesome. You have provided me with hours of entertainment and applicable information when it comes to firearms. Keep doing what you are doing and giving a voice to gun owners and enthusiasts. If I can think of one person who has made a difference when it comes to our rights with guns, and the information thereto, it would be you. *hats off to you sir*
my dad carried one of these in ww2 he drove cargo trucks for a little and was later attached to an engineering unit as their driver
Very interesting, my ancestors on my mothers side took part in the D-Day landings... From my understanding I think they all survived (their was 3-4 of them). Sadly my great grandad on my fathers side fought for Germany during ww2.
+Lurk Tizer kinda late but not all Germans during wwii were bad
For you, not me. :-)
had the joy of shooting one of these, fun gun... they're restricted in Canada.
;) barrel length and magazine capacity on some are a no-no.
the new production ones are fine because the whole barrel (not with muzzle break) is now long enough.
the one I shot is still in Canada, but a part of a collection. it has 15 and 20 round, unpinned magazines, which are a big no-no. pinning them would make the gun far less desirable though as they're original WWII mags.
the barrel is also too short, the extensions don't count anymore. WWII M1's were 18", .5" too short.
attananightshadow I'm pretty sure that legal rifle barrel length is 16 inches and legal shotgun bbl length is 18 inches. At least that's what it is in my state. (Missouri) Unless you're talking about Canada, then IDK.
In canada semiauto 18.5 inches barrel length . The 22 inch barrel is not restricted .I know this because i had mine re barrelled from 18 inch to 22 inch than changed to non restricted .
It's non-restricted, just remember it's pinned to 5 rounds for a Auto Ordnance version. Check out www.theammosource.com
leftcoaster67 Bummer! But that is the way the folks who want the government to mark chalk likes about the bodies of victims want it done. Don't go doing the police job, or the police will come for you who dare try to resist the criminals in the criminals union!
I have one from my grandfather, who got it in ‘44 from the US Army as a duty firearm for his missions in the French Resistance. By then, Paris was already liberated and his missions were seldom taking place any longer, and resultantly he never fired it - the Allies didn’t expect to cross France so fast as the Nazis were gathering their resources for their last offensive through Belgium in winter 44.
Anyhow, when I first saw it, it was in a carry bag in a corner of his house. At first I thought it was a hunting rifle because you’re not supposed to own one of these given it still operates.
When he used the term ‘war’, I was all excited thinking he actually had a M1A Thompson - I was a teen then and we loved watching WW2 movies and BaBa Black Sheep on Saturdays.
So of course the teen in me was a little disappointed when I saw the size of the ammo and the magazines.
Eventually, as I got older, I became a lot more interested and impressed about the stories telling what he did during WW2 with his firearms: as a secret agent, the killing of specific targets. Not something he often talked about, but I know he used a small caliber pistol that he surrendered after the war ended.
I’ll never separate from his M1.
My dad an I took a bunch of his US military guns out to shoot today. Started at the trapdoor and worked our way up to the AR15. Of all the guns we shot today, we both said this carbine was our favorite. It's really fun to shoot, also much more accurate than I expected. The typical m1 was fun too, but it's kind of a pain to load and we couldn't hit anything with the buckhorn site on it. The peep site on the carbine seemed to be easier to actually hit targets with. Really fun gun, if you find one for a good price, buy it. You won't regret it.
I have my fathers made by General Motors!
Do you get a free oil change and tire rotation? :-)
Weapon of choice when there is Zombie Apocalypse..
polka sheit im in between this and the ruger 1022 cause of the plentifull 22 amo
noobmodegaming plentiful 22LR?
yeah, ill like the 9mm beretta w/15 round magazine..
polka sheit hahah the walking dead tyreese
Take a ruger mini 14 instead. 30 cal is hard to find.
At least for me it is
A favorite of mine. They have a bad rep from people who try, or had, to use them in ways they are not designed for. Although they have a stock, they are basically a high powered, high capacity handgun. For people who do not shoot much but want something handy around the home, this a far better choice than any pistol. For those looking for an assault rifle type of thing so they can fight zombies or whatever boogey man from the govt they are scared of, this is not the weapon.
Also, as the guy in the video says. None of these carbines have parts all made by the same company. If you have one that is all one company, you actually have a frankenstein. They were never made that way. One other thing, Rock Ola made probably the least amount of these weapons yet it seems that M1 carbine fans seem to always say they have a Rock Ola. Probably a lot of fakes out there. None of these are any better than the other but the Rock Ola's are said to have nicer furniture since they were made by a jukebox company. I wouldn't know as I have never seen one. If I had to go with a name to make me feel special about my M1 I would look for one of those stamped Un-Quality!
Yeah,I kinda see it as the semi-auto answer to .357 lever action rifles.
Sure it is, if you get a chrome lined one, made new.
Must have been a shock to the troops back in the day. Those old bolt Springfields and Garand's packed a heavy-duty punch, I can understand the initial opposition but like you said, carbines have different capabilities. That's why we differentiate with terms like "battle rifle", "assault rifle", "DMR", and "carbine". These guns can't be compared because they were built to serve different roles.
Audie Murphy ended up using one for a while. But he was such a shot that it always did what he needed. I read one incident where he hit a German soldier in the helmet with it. only went through ONE side. Good enough.
I used to work with a guy who was in WWII. He said he picked up a carbine to use at night. He said that the rifle had a big muzzle flash that gave away your position at night.
I have had two of these weapons, sadly I sold one which was a good shooter but the
barrel was worn out. At the time I was young and did not know about replacing
it. So now all I have is one which was manufactured after WW II before Korea by
a company out of Florida, it is very well made and had never given men any problems.
The biggest difference I've noticed is the sight. Mine is a V sight and works like a
dream.
just picked up one of these at an auction for a $100.😄😄😄
TheRebelOutlaw .45ACP Lucky!!
100$ for a lil piece of history. not too shabby
Thief lol
Damn that's a steal.....meanwhile at the gun show this past weekend one was going for $1000 and the garand was $3000 fml
I have my late father-in-law's Inland with bayonet that he bought in 1967. He paid $17.50 for the gun and $2.50 to have it mailed to his house. Yes, I do have the receipt to prove it.
Given the choice I would prefer an M-1 carbine to an AK 47.
I'm not going to say that you're "wrong" to say that, after all we all have some pretty strange preferences here and there (I personally believe 22LR is actually a valid self defense round since you can get 2-3x as many shots into a target quickly and accurately - but thats just MY opinion), but please explain, why on earth would you say that?
I would rather have a VZ 58, great rifle.
I'd like to know your reasoning on that also. I like the m1 because its compact and handy. An AK is a workhorse. The only thing i don't like about the AK is the pistol grip and at times appear to be unwielding.
In a survival scenario or just for shooting?? Yes, the .30 M1 carbine ammo is cheaper, but in a survival scenario the AK is a tremendous workhorse...
The 7.62 AK ammo hits harder too, better for hunting.
An after combat report (Korean War) on the M1 carbine agrees with my doubts that it would be effective: A 1951 official U.S. Army evaluation of scores of individual after-action combat reports for all small arms usage in Korea by the Eighth Army from 1 November 1950 to 1 March 1951 documented the weapon's cold-weather shortcomings, as well as noting complaints from individual soldiers that the carbine bullet failed to stop heavily clothed or gear-laden North Korean and Chinese troops at close range after multiple hits.
TheSpritz0 Hunting with an AK, Lol what are you shooting elephants?
My great uncle sent one back in the mail piece by piece. He was in the Asian theater. It's a Rock-ola. Governor Adolf Cuomo has made possession of them practically illegal.
Hide it and don't talk about it.
My dad was a Navy Medic in the Pacific, his carbine often went on patrol because of it's size and weight.
Of all the rifles M1 Garrand, M1 Carbine, M14 Rifle, and M 16A1 I was issued in the Army the Carbine was my all time favorite. Light to carry, accurate enough out to 250 yards, and could carry lots of ammo. Never found it lacking power. Plus just a fun shooter.
Do you have an M1 Garand? If you do, Can you make a video of it?
They might be "technically" a pistol cartridge, but a hell of a big one!!
I'd like to see Glock make a pistol to handle .30 carbine ammo!
TheSpritz0 : AutoOrdnance AutoMag III.
That gun is just dead sexy.
Thanks for the tribute of the M1 Carbine. I have my uncle’s from WWII. I haven’t shot it yet, but after watching you, I’m anxious to get out there and have some fun with it. Thank you.
My grandfather had a M1 in the Korean war. It must have served him well because he bought two Universal M1's after the war which i have inherited after his passing. I've deer hunted with them for years and they are a great all around gun. Good video!
the 30 carbine is not a pistol cartridge. There were no pistols chambered in it until AFTER the M1 carbine was introduced. There are 30.06 pistols too ( Contenders) but I certainly wouldnt consider the 06 a pistol cartridge.
It is called a pistol cartridge. Not necessarily because it is used in pistols.
It is straight walled when most rifle cartridges are necked down. Ballistically it is somewhere between a .357 Magnum and .38 Special. That is why people call it a pistol cartridge. You are correct the cartridge was developed specifically for this firearm. It was conceived as a handgun replacement because the Armed Forces was expanding exponentially during WWII and training time was actually being reduced. It didn't take as long to become proficient (enough) with the carbine as it did to become proficient with a pistol. There has been some debate about whether it was intended as a pistol replacement or a full-blown service rifle. The Marine Corps never considered it as a potential service rifle. Initially the Marine Corps didn't even really like the M1 Garand as a potential service rifle. At the beginning of WW II they were still using the 1903 Springfield.
Kevin Winters it has more energy at 100 yards than a 357 magnum does at the muzzle. I'd hardly put it BETWEEN a .357 and a .38 special. Maybe between a .357 and a 30-30. Other than that I tend to agree with you. If the U.S. had used a spitzer bullet and bottle necked it they would have had a pretty decent assault rifle in the works.
Cold Case I was wrong on that. I just looked it up again. I looked at the .357 numbers wrong. Still it is a straight walled case of the type typically found in pistols.
***** I agree, that is why I said I was wrong. When I initially looked it up I looked at the .357 numbers wrong.
Car-beans...
A Korean "War" vet told me the m-1 carbine ammunition had a bad habit of not penetrating the Chinese soldiers winter uniform at distance. Just too under powered..
Yep, at "distance" a .45 ACP would have problems, too. Just depends on the purpose of any given implement. :-)
Why did you put quotations around war..?
joe rohling Lol totally bullshit
I can only repeat what I have been told. The gentleman that related the story to me was an honorable person. He was there, you were not. It is so easy to dismiss what you have not experienced. Instead of Judas Iscariot perhaps you should change your moniker to Doubting Thomas.
Distance was the problem. The then new russian 7.62X39 MM catridge for the new SKS rifle, The chinese/N.korean troops could out distance us with M1 carbines which forced UN solders to push the envolope of effective fire with the M1 Carbine leading to not enough penetraion and needing multiple rounds to bring down the heavily clothed chinese solders.The M1 round was just out classed by the 762x39 round that's were all the underpowered round talk comes from.jim
I just bought a mostly correct Rock-ola from April 1944. It has the original finish.
That's worth big money right there! Very desirable of the original makers.
I own a Saginaw Steering Gear and have owned a couple of Inland Division General Motors in the past. Great little rifles. Nice shooting Hickok. Keep'em coming.
I know a lot of people like to call it a "carbene" but it is pronounced "carbine" cause "carbene" is a type of carbon radical like structure consisting of a carbon that has no overall charge but has a lone pair of electrons.
Or carbean is a french word for a shortened rifle. Like cavalry units. This word has been used by the US military since the mid 1800's. When most firearm advancements came from europe. Even most gun designs came from europe. It is pronounced carbean. Check the dictionary...
Unfortunately for your case, there are such things are homophones. Two different things can be pronounced the same, my friend.
TheTyrial86 I thought our two shop mechanics were going to end a twenty year friendship over how to pronounce the automobile name Jaguar. Jagwire or Jaguar. Like to say the dispute ended but it did not. They could agree on Ford, But then it was Chevy or Chivy. Maybe it just comes down to what geographical area you got your tool box from.
Larry Spiller lol
Larry Spiller
if you own a jaguar its neither and becomes "I own a Jaaaaaaaaag"
Lol im sorry it brothers me when ppl say CARBEEN but anyway not a bad rifle its light and handy but ppl with the mind set that this is an assault rifle or something like that should look somewhere else
I know what you mean; it hurts MY ears when I hear it pronounced "carbIne." :-)
Actually, "Carbeen" is probably more of a correct pronunciation, if you consider the inventors name. David Marshal "Carbine" Williams. The movie Carbine Williams is one of my favorite James Stewart movies ever.
Sam King he invented "a" carbine. Not carbines....
Ian Shrewsbury What your point? David Williams invented the short stroke piston while in prison. The short stroke piston type action is still in use in modern firearms.
***** I get it now. I'm a little slow sometimes.
M1 Carbines were also issued to the RUC - Royal Ulster Constabulary - in Northern Ireland through the troubles in the 70s and 80s. They also used M14s and 357 Magnum Ruger revolvers.
I used to watch the movie Carbine Williams over and over when I was a kid....some thirty years ago. Still one of my favorites. Supposed to have been based on a true story.
M-1 carbine was also issued to officers and non-combat personnel close to front lines. Officers usually carried pistols and need a bit more firepower that the issue pistols of the time had limits on which were magazine capacity and range. The m-1 carbine filled the need with acceptable firepower and range. Since all parts were Mil. Spec. production was increased by manufacturers shipping their excess parts to those who needed them. Common practice on the m-1 carbine. Another great video-Thanks!
I just picked up one of these at the gun show today. It is a Standard Products Co. I was able to make out the "ST at the beginning and the "O." at the other side of the sight using a really bright headlamp and a magnifier. My barrel is an Underwood. I can't WAIT to shoot it!
The late Jimmy Cirillo once said that the first officers to arrive at the N.Y.P.D. S.O.U. (Steak out unit) checked out a M-1 carbine(s). He said that anyone shot by an M-1 carbine either was DRT (Dead Right There) or had to immediately go to a hospital. The ammunition was a 110 grain Jacketed Soft Point.
Yeah, and I think Cirillo used mostly .38 Special, too? Meanwhile, the rest of us, who will never ever fire a firearm at anything other than a target, devote our lives to bashing various cartridges and calibers as though we've had ten times the experience of Audy Murphy. :-)
hickok45 : As I recall, (I might be wrong on this) Jimmy said that one of the two of the officers at the stake out location used a revolver and one a shoulder weapon. He said that he worked on different projectile designs for his use in the S.O.U. in his basement that had a dirt floor.
The most devastating loading he tried on his test wet pack targets was a “clay” projectile. More accurately, it was a jacketed clay projectile. It was the most devastating, but was never used by him in actuality. He and his partner, according to Jim, shot a total of 252 “perps.”
He had some very interesting stories for sure! He was a funny guy and would tell stories with different accents, depending on who he was quoting.
My father has one of these. It was made in 1943 in Michigan. My great-uncle worked at one of the factories that made these and "procured" one from the factory floor. Therefore, it never saw military action and doesn't have the bayonet clasp that was supposedly put these on during the Korean war. It is in excellent condition and works perfectly. Loved shooting it when I was younger.
This is one of my favorite guns. It's the one I always shoot for Rifleman's Weekend. Love it.
If it has scratches that looks like it was dragged, it wasn't in WW2. Most likely vietnam because the old WW2 carbines didn't have a bayonet attachment. But I know the ones used in nam did because my father carried one for a about a month back in 69 and in the pictures he had a bayonet attachment under the berrel. And that was the first rifle he ever held since 1970, about a year ago me and him where in a local gun shop and I was checking one out and he asked to see it which was odd because he made a promising to himself to never touch another gun for as long as he lived after he was discharged from the army.
I just picked up an all original Standard Products carbine,after taking it apart I found that all the numbers match,still has the early flip site and narrow front band without a bayo lug, so it probably has never been rebuilt! My little daughters all love to shoot them,none of them are over 100 pounds! I have no problem popping 2 liter soda bottle at 100 yards! Great little guns!
Although it was developed to replace the 45 auto for tanks and truck drivers, the M-1 carbine was used by more troops then almost any other rifle. The M2 carbine with folding stock was issued to paratroopers. It was in service even during early stages of Vietnam. I loved it so much I bought one when I got out of the military.
I used to have an AMT Automag in .30 M1 Carbine, wow what a pistol, massive muzzle flash looked like a Christmas tree :)
Ain’t they something in low light !
So I've been shooting one for years made by Inland. Great gun and I have started reloading this caliber for over a year now. It's a very accurate round for the size and my reloads chrono around 1400FPS. Length is an issue for us tall folks but not as bad as some carbines I've shot. I really love the older semi autos with wood stocks. I don't need black and scary to be deadly and accurate. :-)
Subcontractor for underwood was singer sewing machine company marked with the letter b on the receiver I have one. Made in 1944.
My dad was in the ordinance corps(Infantry,artillery,ordinance) just before the start of WWII, and wound up in motor pool in the Phillippines. He was issued a Colt New Army sidearm, but he said later support troops(ordinance corps) were issued the M-1 Carbine instead of a sidearm.
How cool is it that after I cleaned out my late grandfather's shed that I found both a M1 Carbine and a Mini 14? Both have been stored there for 10+ plus years and even with a little surface rust cycled fine!
I think Korea still have around million M1 Carbine
It was used in reserve forces training in the 1990s
At that time,
it was stored in the police arsenal or company-level arsenal for reserve forces training
Thank you for this review! I just had a Christmas meal with one of my cousins today and he was showing me some of his old guns, and the "US Carbine .30 Cal" was one of them. He asked me to look up info on it cause he's had it for years and never researched anything about it...and of course I knew nothing about it either. What an interesting piece of history!
I think it's our video on my Inland M1 Carbine that is the most comprehensive one. I go into more of the history of them.
@@hickok45 Thanks! Very interesting indeed! When he said he wanted to show me his M1 I was thinking Garand, so this was a nice surprise.
Picked one of those up once, Korean war issue. Lightest little thing I ever held.