This MTG format has me hooked!
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
- Top tier decks for less than $150, online tournaments, and incredible gameplay are just the start. This format has blown me away! With decks below $40, why not try out this format?
Rules - pdhhomebase.com/rules/
Tournaments - topdeck.gg/
• Sanctuary - www.sanctuarypdh.com/
• Common Cause - linktr.ee/onemoregame
Resources
• PDHrec - www.pdhrec.com/
• Competitive Stats - cpdh.guide/
• Moxfield - www.moxfield.com/
• Spelltable - spelltable.wizards.com/lobby
• OBS Download - obsproject.com/download
Equipment
• Webcam - a.co/d/0Ls2fxq
• Mount Arm - a.co/d/fLziKX9
• USB Extender - a.co/d/j10CBcX
Communities
• Common Connoisseurs - / discord
• PDH Home Base - / discord
• Sanctuary - / discord
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Twitter: / lobbert8
==Music Attribution==
Title - Haven
Author - Alexander Nakarada
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License - CC BY 4.0
Title - Winning Loop
Author - Alexander Nakarada
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License - CC BY 4.0
Transcript - Hry
Remember guys, this is a format where Resilient Roadrunner could be your commander and I'm in for that
Zada! Zada hits way above her rarity level. Wiped out a table of proper commander decks filled with mythics and rares the other night. It feels rewarding to play pauper!
The format is definitely powerful! Zada is always terrifying. I can remember many times where I'm out of removal just doing everything in my power to convince new players that their Doom Blade, just this one, NEEDS to be used at sorcery speed haha.
Zada slaps af. I used to have a pretty tuned PDH deck that I would bring to EDH games and clean up with, she's berserk. I ended up taking it apart because I never played her in PDH - folks in those games knew to just murder her immediately, and so I spent a lot of games accomplishing nothing and losing.
In the last couple years, we've gotten so many outstanding Zada cards: Flick a Coin, Ancestor's Aid, Witch's Mark, Daring Discovery... I decided I wanted to rebuild Zada but I just wanted to do stupid nonsense instead of combat. So I built her with all Walls. It's a really fun way to keep her casual but still a threat.
My pauper Zada deck has run over my group’s regular EDH decks, she goes hard (don’t think I won, knocked out a player or two but didn’t have the gas for all three)
I'm loving this idea :) thanks for introducing it!
As somebody with a Malcolm/Breeches pirate pdh deck, I can say that PDH is actually extremely fun, and it is definitely worth trying out.
My store actually had a scene for Pauper Commander many moons ago. We found a few things that eventually caused people to leave the format:
Some commanders are just straight up better than others. This was back in the day, and the issue is probably worse now.
Certain cards are way above the power level of the format. We had to house ban Ulamog's Crusher and Rhystic Study, among others.
It is very difficult to close out a multiplayer game, when all your cards are so weak. We found it to be a bit more engaging as a 1v1 format.
I still have my (un-updated) Fleshbag Marauder and Basara Tower Archer decks. I had fun with the format, and would encourage people to try it. We also played it pre-lockdowns, and it looks to have a little more development (there was no official banlist at the time, and players were still doing 40 life).
Of of this is super interesting. Where was this? If you don't mind me asking.
When I first started really grinding the format a couple years ago, my games did tend to last a very long time but as me and the people around me got better, that has died down. I feel like a lot of it was players coming from 1v1 formats that would just durdle and stay alive without finishing the game or only have non-evasive attackers to slam into one another. Competitive games end in combo, by commander damage, or by burn/pinger strategies that are hard to stop from ending the game. Only having 30 life / 16 commander now helps a lot too.
Ulamog's Crusher getting banned is the most interesting part of this. Sounds like it was solving the previous problem to me. I honestly haven't seen on actually perform in my games.
Fleshbag Marauder (and now Demon's Disciple) was downshifted to common before I started playing the format so I've never seen it in the command zone. We now have Legate Lanius, Caesar's Ace. I haven't seen it in a game but it looks so strong.
@@lobbert8 This was in Cali. Around 2017, 2018. (I uploaded my decks to tappedout, and that's what the timestamps say.)
The top of the meta was a few decks: my Fleshbag Marauder and Bassara Tower Archer decks were pretty dangerous.
Fleshbag was great because there were a lot of zombie synergy cards that let me recur it constantly. I actually tested out Plaguecrafter before people stopped playing, and the zombie synergies actually were worth having a "worse" commander.
Archer of course had very specific ways you had to interact with it, and it could kill with commander damage pretty consistently.
The Archer actually started as Slippery Bogle: it could either pilot the mono green build, a mono blue build, or mix them together. I switched to the archer to try and give other people more of a chance.
Invisible Stalker was on the "recommended house bans" list (or whatever vague suggestions existed at the time), so no one played it.
Warden of the Eye was the other top deck, and it won via infinite combo. Jeskai colors meant it had a lot of control tools to pace the game how it wanted.
I daresay me and my Warden of the Eye friend ruined the format for a lot of people. But just like regular EDH, it felt pretty easy to stumble into broken stuff eventually.
I also ran Jhessian Thief and Cunning Breezedancer prowess voltron, but they didn't feel terribly powerful. Same with Ascended Lawmage: it just felt too slow compared to the likes of Bogle and Archer. I was theorycrafting Bastion Protector when the format died locally, haha.
@@neverclever0 It sounds like it was a competitive event, where having something disproportionately strong is the goal. Having separate LFG rooms like the PDH Home Base discord solves some of that but I've played plenty of casual games where someone brings something that's much too strong. Decks that run more removal are better at handling a situation like that and reminding players that ganging up on someone is deserved if they're still a threat after being interacted with. Less experienced players tend to just attack whoever has the highest life total, which also exacerbates the problem. Everyone I've ever met online has been good about reigning in their power level if asked.
It doesn't happen super frequently, though, and it's usually the new player bringing something that doesn't fit so people are usually quick to forgive. What I'd be most concerned about are players that feel too ganged up on in situations like that and get too upset when targeted.
@@lobbert8 My store sits on the higher end of EDH power scaling, from what out-of-towners have told me. That surely leaked in to the PDH scene.
I would encourage everyone to try the format. But it just didn't last long at my store.
Power level discussions and disparities are the #1 problem with EDH, and they become so much more important when your decks have limited closing power.
As always, discuss it with your group, and find what works best for as many players as possible.
@@lobbert8 It wasn't competitive. My LGS is just on the higher band of power, then and now.
We also have a lot of new players who are... inexperienced at threat assessment. They also have been influenced by the more experienced players and the general amount of information. Decks tend to skew stronger, even if the player piloting it is still learning.
All local metas are different, so of course this is just my experience. I hope other stores are more vartied in their power levels, and don't accidentally murder their PEDH scene, as my store did. 😛
informative, yet concise. well done :)
The amount of indirect support PDH gets from commander products is good. The amount of direct support that EDH gets from WotC is a bloated mess that has increased the cost of the format and made it rotate more than standard.
I definitely agree. I keep like 15 PDH decks updated and only have to order like 5 cards a set unless there's a new staple or it's a masters / horizons product. That might cost me a couple bucks. I'm still excited for new releases because of it. I dread new sets for EDH.
the struggle is real. For a while I tried to keep up with both EDH and PDH, but then they printed the whole "free if you control your commander" cards and deflecting swat was like $30 and I just gave up. Every time I see new commander-product I get really pleased with myself for having made that call.
God I love when people go straight to the point with analysis, examples and recommendations. I like my flashy destroy everything cards, but might as well try pedh to see how we handle turns without 4 rhystics studies onboard. Thanks!
My first PDH deck was Gilder Bairn! I don't play it as much these days but he's still a cutie
Since you are championing lesser known formats. May I taught my own favorite format. That as far as I know, is little discussed. And, it does have it's own issues of cost and the like. But, never the less. I LOVE multiplayer draft. Either Winston draft (with 3 or less players) or normal draft up to 6 players(would not recommend more players then 6). 40+ deck(just like normal sealed or draft). Normal draft rules, but after deck building, everyone plays one big game, EDH-"like"(3-4 packs per person(little expensive, time consuming, I know. AND, not exactly beginner friendly)) But it is a LOT of fun. I would suggest giving it a shot.
That said, favorite pauper EDH deck would have to be my buddies Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker deck. With amazing recession engines(lol the commander).
I’m in the same boat right now. We have been playing pauper for a few months now in our tabletop group and we love it. Less arguing over power level and more level field (even though our one buddy plays Gretchen)
Pauper EDH is a blast. Games tend to be close, politicking is still viable, and the strategy is top notch. Combat matters, interaction happens, and the busted card feel bads are kept to a minimum. Did I mention I hate Praetors? 😝
Love this format. I have a blast with higher power decks using Wilson or Tor Wauki, but my janky Trawler Drake draw/go deck is fun too.
I love the minimal ban list in this format
Played a PEDH tournament and ran Malcolm/Kediss combo. Did really well and got 2nd overall. Lost to Zada player. The coolest deck I saw someone runnning was Gut Inspiring Leader.
As someone getting into *c*EDH i was amazed to learn that Dargo the Shipwrecker is an uncommon, i know it doesn’t need to be legend commanders but I’m planning on trying something with them + Tormod to pump out some zombies!
Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker! With the background Cloakwood Hermit, I just he is such a casual commander that I can't really play at commander night due to being super weak but this format enables it to be good.
I've played many games against Sivriss. I think it's one of the best options in Golgari!
I adore my Dargo and Keskit deck. It's $40 and almost half of that is a Lotus Petal I got for free in a promotion. Dargo can somewhat keep up with low to mid power EDH solely by virtue of how much commander damage he does.
Dargo is nutty
I have 3 pauper decks. Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty is insane as a pauper commander. Dargo + Kediss "Red Deck Wins" is a fun cPDH deck. I like Khenra Charioteer just for the fun of Gruul trample in a boardwipe-less format.
At first thought you were going to talk about something different (which is fine if you were, i was still interested and you can talk about what you want) thanks for being a font of info of this cool format that i am getting interested in.
I knew it would be a bad title and thumbnail for people who already know me but wanted a channel trailer that would help sell people on this format.
@@lobbert8 it's a really good channel trailer
i just got into pauper edh and made a deck for Soulherder. Its just under $40 and im very happy with it, just wish more people locally played..
I want to make a Khenra Spellspear pEDH deck, but have been putting it off for ages now
thanks for the info bud
Gorex, the Tombshell.I switched to crypt rats because of gravehate. But I'm still flirting with Gorex "brother" Sailors' Bane who skilfully avoids the gravehate and comes with very good protection.
I'm curious, do you have a regular group that's adding grave hate to their decks? I plays with tons of different people and almost never see any grave hate. Even in competitive!
@lobbert8 not directly. But usually 1-2 cards per deck. I must say though that grave hate really annoys me and that makes me more sensitive.
GORX MY BELOVED! I build a LOT of decks, and my favorites shift pretty wildly back and forth at any given time, but in the last year Gorx has *consistently* been one of the decks I grab when I'm going somewhere, every single time. I can't get enough of him. I haven't had a problem with Grave Hate. Maybe I've been really lucky?
i recommend checking out conquest, it's my favorite commander variant.
I recently built Gonti as my first PDH commander, i wanted to steal other peoples stuff while being cheap. so i did so trying to use my own cards only :P
It seems interesting to me. What else am I going to do with all the commons I've opened? I might build a set of 5 mono colored decks just to play with friends and see if I can convince anyone to build one of their own. I do like putting interesting restrictions on deck building either way so this would make it fun.
Heck yea! I've been doing something similar and have been really struggling the most to find something in mono green.
@@lobbert8 Haven't really seen what they have to work with yet, but Aberrant, Aftermath Analyst and Armorcraft Judge all seem doable. On second thought, Aberrant might not have the tools it needs to work since you can only use commons. The other two would be a lot easier I think. That's just a couple, but with any uncommon being possible as your commander
HELL YEAH JOIN THE CLUB
I prefer to play with rares et mythics because my pleasure in casual level janky EDH is to resolve big spells with cool effects we never saw in 1v1 or competitive like some Ultimatums. Achieve to resolve a 8 mana creature or ritual we never saw is so pleasant. I like big spells with janky effects, it's more a rare/mythic thing. Rares and uncommons are often Boring little effects like we saw in draft.
pauper edh is amazing its just normal commander but more casual and accessible. since there isnt any super op cards it also forces the decks to be different and interesting and a bunch of commanders that wouldnt be legal otherwise RAHHH I LOVE PAUPER EDH
Will this format come to mtg arena!? I hope so
I would re-download arena
what's holding me back is that i both play pauper and commander, and this format just seems like a bit double.
but if im building one, im building lore drakkis mutate storm. which is directly inspired by my izzet Vadrok, Apex of Thunder deck
I feel like it's closer to EDH than it is to 1v1 pauper and even then, it feels distinctly different.
I was not familiar with Lore Drakkis decks until looking it up right now. That sounds so cool! 🤩
@@lobbert8 yeah I feel so too, but I would have to use cards from a format that I play in a different format that is similar to a format I also already play
I believe the cpEDH version of izzet mutate storm is lore drakkis mutated on a low cost creature (preferably 0) + high tide + snap (or any bounce spell, but snap is best, grinning ignus works too)
in EDH its similar but with Vadrok, I have both a Izzet version and a Boros version of the deck. the izzet version 's combolines are a bit easier to achieve and give you infinite mill eventually
the Boros deck is inspired by The Snail's Guide to EDH's friend's Vadrok infinite turns combo
I guess I can build a pauper edh version with Rootha so that I can also use it in normal EDH🤔
quick dd hit them with a scream ahh thumbnail
Ashiok's Adept >:)
Non-legendary commander feel so wrong
I feel ya. There's plenty of legendary options if you'd like to dip your toe into the format first but the format is way better for it.
@@lobbert8 not gonna lie, your video got me interested in trying out, will propose it to my pod. But nonlegendary commanders is a hard sell, and I think I wouldnt consider a deck that uses a nonlegendary as a commander as a real deck. At least with a legendary creature, pauper edh would still be a legal edh deck. But with nonlegendary commanders It feels way too rule 0 for me.
You never need to fight with your opponent's wallet if you all agree that running proxies is fine
I agree that proxies are a great solution if you're not playing FNM. Heck, I proxy a lot of PDH decks but the great play experience PDH offers is worth considering on its own.
Too bad nobody at my lgs plays PDH nor do they want to lol
I like pauper, but I think artisan (common and uncommon) makes it even better, that's why I play "Brawltisan" instead (very similar to artisan commander, but 25 lives and 60 cards)
Most formats are better than EDH lol
I detest this format because it's just cedh all over again. You think you can create something cool only to jump in a pod and get absolutely creamed by the first person to resolve their Ashnod's Altar. That's the experience I've had in all the games I've played and seen so far. Everyone's doing some infinite combo and it's not clever. How this sticks around is completely beyond me.
Why not ask to play casual PDH instead of competitive? That allows everyone to enjoy the game in the way they prefer.
If you run into issues of people misinterpreting how strongly their deck is built, I’ve found asking people what turn their deck expects to win can be a more accurate measurement of what power level you can expect than using a subjective 1-10 scale.
There are plenty of people playing the format in the way you enjoy in the servers he mentioned. I would look there. Best of luck :)
If combos feel oppressive, run more removal! The common removal suite is FANTASTIC and can efficiently deal w any threat.
I hate this format because it allows non legendary cards to be commanders
Restricting to only legends would leave only 400 commanders. Lots of commanders opens up lots of possibilities, which has proven to be good for a format's longevity.
Many people build a PDH deck with a legendary commander so that they can bring their deck to their EDH pods!
@@lobbert8okay. Restrictions breed creativity
Not a reason. It's like saying "I hate the sea because it has water". To make an argument, explain why non-legendary commanders is a problem.
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Okay so we should only allow 1 commander that everyone has to use. That would make everyone the most creative and definitely not lead to the format being homogeneous, right? @@yugioh1870
It feels more challenging and rewarding to make a budget deck or Pauper deck be consistent and have enough cohesion/synergy to form a powerful winning gameplan.