Port Arthur Massacre | Martin Bryant Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Martin Bryant?
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The woman who took him in obviously was not a very stable individual herself. Not only did she continue to keep him around when he tried to wreck her car three times but then again she did have 40 cats in her garage and 14 dogs in the house. That's pretty much a tip-off that she wasn't a rocket scientist.
She had something to do with the Tatts family if I remember.
Yes, clearly crazy herself. And also she let him care for the dogs and cats, although he had demonstrated cruelty to animals as a child and adult. She may not have know about that, but surely there were indications that he was not concerned with kind treatment of animals.
If she had 40 cats & 14 dogs, it could be that she was a kind hearted empath who did not believe in cruelty to animals. I have several cats & three dogs. I have neighbors who have 15 or more cats. I meet ppl at the pet food isle who have a large number of cats. All of us pet owners seem to be kind hearted.
@@helenshg4580 A house full of cats stinks terribly. The occupants usually don't notice; cats are not suited to living indoors. It's usually post-menopausal women who amass large numbers of cats. Crazy shit.
The house must of stank!
Which country has the most mass shootings in the world? The country with very lax gun laws.
So sad how some people just get ostracized from society, feel completely isolated and can receive literally zero mental health support 😔
@@nikkimclay5474 he made more about one of his victims, Ms. Harvey. He always has a weird respect for the gun wielders.
Imagine as a parent finding your child killing animals at a young age and doing NOTHING 😳
@@happytravels5487 I wouldn’t say she did nothing. Imagine having one child and to your surprise he’s just a complete fuckin maniac. And then u say once he matures he will be more responsible. Even Grande said no problems happened in the house. I honestly think raising him was not like raising a kid. More like raising a devil child. And I’m serious… Also, somehow he was never considered a liability in terms of his mental health 😢. How the docs didn’t come back with psychop is absolutely beyond me. Everything Grande described in his behavior is literally what comes up on Google from psychop
Yeah but he still killed people who didn't do anything to him
This guy was good-looking and had money. His only limitations were self-imposed due to his low IQ and social awkwardness.
I live in Hobart not far from where Martin lived. My mother participated in the bullying he received from local high school students. To this day she still deeply regrets it and refuses to talk about it. I only know about it because her old friend brought it up a few times.
The electric blue suit is something everyone who was alive at the time remembers vividly. It’s still one of the first things that comes up whenever people talk about him before the incident.
@Aubrey Nah, that’d have just made him worse. He’s gone back and forth between Risdon prison and the Wilfred Lopes Centre for mental health and his condition has only gotten worse from his treatment there. Any more bullying during his childhood and young adult years would have just made him do something drastic even sooner, probably within Hobart itself instead of Port Arthur.
Last I heard from someone working at Risdon, he’s gained a lot of weight and is so unstable that he can barely function. He has near constant meltdowns and gets beaten up for trying to trade sexual favours for mars bars.
If you want to bully someone who is odd and can't help it, what does that say about you?
@@jacobismithenshire1238 And this is why we have background checks.
@@petercase7697 Huh?
[from U.S.] One earlier episode of reality show "Intervention" involved a young man who was mentioned by name in a letter or manifesto or some such writing left by the perpetrators of the Columbine mass-shooting.
"No man is an island." (Donne)
Sometimes when it looks crazy, it is freaking crazy.
Right. Also, it’s not always okay to be different.
wAiT aRe yOu jUdGiNg bY aPpEaRaNcEs yOu hUrT mY fEeLiNgS blgOt!!
What is this comment section?
It's always the eyes. They have crazy eyes
Love it. Will now use that line ☺️
I was born in Australia in the 80s and can attest that there was little to no mental health support available for most children - the concept barely existed, aside from special schools for severe learning disabilities. I had never heard the term "autism" until I was a teenager in the late 90s. The fact he was assessed for disability benefit then left to his own devices with the attitude of "oh well, he's just a bit different" doesn't shock me at all either. The real failing here was a lack of monitoring, support and treatment for someone who was obviously mentally ill and had consistently shown potential for being a threat to society. Whilst I agree fully with Australian gun laws and don't believe guns are any type of fundamental human right, him being able to buy a gun was just the final failing to prevent this incident, not the first or only.
Agree
The banning of semi auto shotguns is the part I don't understand, thankfully in NZ we kept them.
Edit to say I'm not surprised an American would be against gun law changes.
@@DistinctiveBlend every place shd have guns banned . Only an idiot wld think otherwise.
@@diamondd2778 You can still get firearms in Australia and New Zealand. Personally I'd rather hunt with a rifle than a bow and arrow, jokes aside in NZ we have a huge pest problem and firearms are one of the best tools to take care of them.
@@DistinctiveBlend What kinda pest do you get rid of with a riffle?
Imagine waking up on this day, going about your business and this happening. The entire situation and loss of so many is very sad but the mother and her two children just breaks my heart.
Having been to port Arthur the year before, you couldnt imagine a place where this occuring would be less likely!
its a long way from the city in a peaceful country setting.
He actually got out of the car and chased the girls and their Mother, Nanette around trees to shoot them. For that reason alone I'd hang him.
That was the worst for me too. I worry about how he prioritized the shooting. No parent should see their kid die, but no small child should see their parent die.
@@standupstraight9691 yeah statistical probabilities suck that way. I mean, you expect more violent crime in a city. Mostly because there are simply more people there, so there’s simply a higher chance of a psychopath living in a city, but also all the other factors like relative anonymity, stressors, less of a sense of community, and less of a worry about safety, and whatever else I don’t care to get into. I’m not badmouthing cities. I’m a city kid. Just stating the objective facts.
So these small town folks feel relatively safe. And they are. But that doesn’t make them absolutely safe. It just means the likelihood of this kind of thing happening is lower.
Which, in a weird way, makes this more upsetting. Not sadder. It’s always sad when something like this happens, no matter the place. But the element of it happening in a place people usually see as a safe place to live adds this sense of surprised misery. You feel really disillusioned when you hear about things like this. Makes me want to go live in the deep woods sometimes.
@@mezanian oh my God. There's no words for how despicable that is.
This event left a scar on the collective Australian psyche. You didn't even mention that he chased one of those little girls behind a tree. A complete monster. It severely impacted the people that were first responders and innocent bystanders. I know of at least one person that came to the scene to help and ended up committing suicide. I am proud to live in a Country that has decided that we don't need guns in normal day to day life and that we don't have to live with the fear of gun violence.
that is horrendous to hear and imagine! and as a european all i can say - good on australia for reacting swiftly and decisively. americans will bend over backwards to try to justify the fact that year after year they let thousands of people die needlessly all in the name of a """fundamental""" right 🙄
@@user-xr9kj6by3u Someone has to remain free and coherent in order to bail you Europeans out every time one your leaders goes soft in the head and declares himself Supreme Ruler of the Universe. Our guns allow us to stay that way. Just try to think of them as a vaccine against tyranny.
if u dont fear anyone ,u must not lock yur doors at night???
@user-uu5hc7up4i I lock my front door at night when I remember but I'm not worried that someone will come in and shoot me.
If you watch this channel you should know there's all sorts out there. Guns or no guns, I would probably just lock the door anyway
Wow I didn't expect you to cover this one. Thank you, Dr. Grande! 💖
Dr. Grande is great
Honest and informative
Being bullied and being a bully can be so disruptive too a young childs social learning and ability. Having been bullied myself i can say that im still every day learn small tricks to try and catch up to others my age when it comes to being socialy adequate.
Thank you for not turning into a serial killer.
Yea same here. I didn't experience it so intensely that I was ever beat up, but I did endure bullying to quite a degree. I also experienced at home too. It had a tremendous effect on how I function as an adult that I still deal with everyday.
May you both come to realize you are valuable and worthy of kindness and joy.
Same here. I don't really hold any grudge towards society in general, but one day I'll get revenge on the bastard that caused be to be socially stunted to begin with.
They were the ones who were socially inadequate because they bullied you. You’re not ‘socially inadequate’ but learning some tips and tricks is good. No one is perfect in social situations and we all feel awkward at times.
Dr Grande, why didn't you mention the fact that they have had significantly fewer mass shootings than we have in this country? I think that's pretty significant.
We have had 0 mass shooting since this one. And we had a few before this one... the gun buy back is a very clear success. Dr Grande is reckless in his statements here and exercising extreme bias... he talks about homicide rate declining but doesnt put that down to the law changes and doesn't talk about mass shootings because he would then have to admit it's been a huge success... very bias and disappointing. I expected better from him.
@@s13180sxSR20DET I mean no disrespect but here I come. The reason why he's being reckless or kinda pro gun is because Dr. Grande is an American and Americans are infected with a certain mindset. In some ways and to a lesser extent akin to North Korea's brain washing.
@@komoriaimi I mean, I'm an American. I made the original comment here... I'm very much opposed to gun violence, and the rampant availability of firearms, these weapons of mass destruction, in this country. You can't even go to the movies without the threat of being gunned down. Hell. You can't even go to fucking Walmart these days, without potentially getting shot up. Just this last weekend, there was a shooting in a Walmart near my house (Walmart is a large department store, for anyone who doesn't know, the kind that pretty much everyone goes to...) The unwillingness to act and change anything relating to our gun culture is absolutely infuriating in my opinion.
This country is in a rapid decline. In many ways. We have this absolutely undeserved American exceptionalism around here, where we seem to think that we are the best, above the rest of the world in so many ways. Except, there's more violence than many places in the world. There is more poverty than a lot of places in the world. We don't have socialized medicine. In fact, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. You literally get zero days of paid vacation guaranteed by law. We are dominated by our capital overlords. I fucking hate this place. And everything it stands for.
@@ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson I'd agree with a surprising amount of your comment, perhaps for differing reasons.
I will say though, when one strictly looks at a sound comparison between Australian shootings pre and post Bryant incident legislation vs. America...Well, America is America, and not Australia. What works here, doesn't work there and vice versa. We're different from strayans, czecks, nigerians, russians, etc, etc.
@@mahlee18 not necessarily saying that what worked for Australia would work for America, but I am saying that doing absolutely nothing is not helping. Infact, It's getting worse.
Such a tragedy. As an Australian, this is very close to my heart & it still saddens me that a massacre of this scale occured in my country.
Thanks for covering this.
So happy my daughter and her family live in a gun free society in WA! Very proud of the UK and Australian's will to eliminated gun violence from their societies, which likely will never ever happen in the mad house U.S.
As an Australia also I highly recommend the new film Nitram which perfectly explores the complex psyche of Martin Bryant and the events leading to that horrific day
As if Port Arthur didn't have enough ghosts. It's like that place was ordained for misery and grief.
@@jorinsullivan1356 How can a mentally ill person be charged with murder. The act doesn't allow for it and yet he was. A paranoid schizophrenic person can not stand trial for murder. The government clearly has a double standard where it suits them.
Its horrible in any country.
My favorite part of the day. Dr Grande's speculation of situations and his dry sense of humor.
Gotta love when people miss a continuous stream of red flags.
Exactly! Just as in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, Highland Park and the list goes on. Every one of these had a mentally diminished loner as the perp! They sent off hints, (not going to use the term red flags!) and they were ignored!
Hey man it happens sadly
Dr. I really love the fact that you really do read our comments. So many say they do but don't. Another thing we appreciate that about your channel. Thank you.
While I too appreciate his videos I see he is "selective" when it comes to comments of praise versus comments that may question his perception of reality.
@@pkgum6910 He's a mouthpiece with an agenda..as he has shown by his opinions regarding this incident
My x husband quit his bus driving job the morning this happened. The driver that replaced him was shot and killed.
I normally agree with your opinions. As an Aussie I find your views odd on gun rights. Also your example is an odd one.
For example if I had dementia I would have my car licence taken off me, to protect others. Or if I insisted on drug driving, the same would happen. You need a drivers licence, just like a gun licence. It’s a privilege, not a right.
*We can own several guns, just not the type solely made to kill humans.
In America you have the right to bear arms lol.
@@Youdatguy I see photos of American guys in Target, with six automatic rifles strapped to themselves. All I see is a very fearful man, (or occasionally woman).
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I'll give an American's perspective: Driving a car is a right. Driving it on public roads is a privilege. You don't need a license to drive or purchase a car (though some dealers and banks may refuse you), you do need one to use the public roads. The only way it'd be comparable is if the government decided to require a license to use public ranges, or require one to carry it on your person in public (which most states do). Buying a gun may not require a license, but generally it does require a background check unless you're buying from a private seller (aka Jim bob who's selling his daddy's old hunting rifle).
I'm an American & you're absolutely right. The misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendement by Supreme Court here has made it impossible for the sweeping gun changes needed here. When our constitution was written 2 factors Dr. Grande totally misses on, 1) the constitution was ratified in the 18th century when technology didn't allow even semi automatic fire nor were revolver style pistols available 2) gun rights activists as well as SCOTUS don't take into effect the right to own guns as part of a well regulated militia as documented in 2nd part of 2nd amendment & we now have state run national guards outside of the normal structure of our regular & reserve military branches to defend against what the 2nd A was written to deter in 1st place, central government tyranny and they are the militias referred to in the constitution not the losers in military garb that stormed US capital on Jan 6 & many state capitals in the turbulent 4 years of our con artist 45th POTUS. As we learned from our disgraceful 45 th president that even an insane conman isn't powerful enough to overturn all our checks & balances & steal an election. Idk much about Aussie gun laws prior but fundamental right & gun ownership shouldn't be accepted in the civilized world but there are simply to many advocates & money in politics to get rid of our terrible gun policy and mass shootings domestic killings gang violence etc will always remain as American as apple pie which is a travesty & misinterprets our own constitution.
Always appreciate your analysis Dr. In regards to Gun policy, as an Australian, you can get a gun, it's an ability, it's regulated and it's not seen as a 'fundamental human right' which no other country believes it is. Hunters are still out there in the bush shooting kangaroos and wild pigs, and the people who want to shoot people have to meet a standard or go through difficulties on the black market to acquire them. Gun regulation is the norm, America still has gun regulation, so this point of view is really weird from my perspective.
Looking at America, there are so many shootings perpetrated by accident and by people who (like say, teenagers) who should not be able to access firearms by going into their parent's closet. That's before the people who are able to acquire them for the express purpose of killing people but the bar is so low (legally and illegally) that it's inevitable.
In Martin Bryant's case, he was an intellectually disabled man with violent tendencies. I think most people would agree he should not have legal access to a firearm. He would be able to acquire one for a steep price but one easily accommodated given his material wealth so it may not have prevented this entirely but it certainly would have hindered it, perhaps with enough efficacy that he would have been found during his planning phase rather than after the deaths of 35 people.
You don't need a good man with a gun to stop a bad man with a gun, if the bad gunmen don't have guns the good men don't need them either. It's a catch-22 that Americans seem to perpetuate as an ideology. Also it prevents bad men from shooting first for fear that a civilian or innocent is going to be a hero and happens to have a concealed weapon waiting to use it in a criminal scenario so we still have crimes that have the threat of gun violence, but a much smaller chance of eventuating in actual gun violence.
The Second Amendment was born out of a time where they had just had a war for independence and wanted to make sure revolution was always possible by the people for the people, but looking at January 6, 2021, this idea of revolution goes both ways, people can be caught up in a conspiracy and look to overthrow the government off the back of people who are not dissimilar to Martin Bryant but manipulated to a mastermind's will.
Gun-related crime and Murder still exists in Australia but the disparity with America is certainly through better living conditions, social climate etc. on top of simple regulation of guns in general. By making less people less desperate and driven to commit crimes of necessity by having a strong liberal welfare state Australia has curbed a lot of the primary factors that drive crime in general. Most of the gun violence in Australia is perpetuated in relation to the prohibition of drugs but that's a story for another time.
Tl;dr. Australians have the ability to get guns, it's just a process. Americans have a similar process so it seems hypocritical to think we're oppressed and oppressing people by limiting their access to guns.
Literally thinking this lol the idea of having a gun being a fundamental right is so bizarre. It seems so warped from the outside lol I am Northern Irish and thank god we didn't have free access to guns here in recent decades, things would have been a hell of a lot worse than it already was.... The idea of guns as a right has only proliferated gun use and gun ownership in the US and this is why they have so many more gun deaths per year than any other country in the world
Rather than compare gun crime in Australia with that in America, it is of course more revealing to compare Australia with Australia, i.e. before and after additional restrictions. And when you do that, as noted in the video, there is no decrease in deaths.
@@eadweard. I've just checked the statistics and there seems to be a clear decrease in the number of deaths by guns after the year of 1996 (when the shooting happened). After that year the number of deaths by guns dropped almost by half in just two years and remained that low to this day.
Yes exactly - all of this. I grew up in Australia, now live in the UK, where even the majority of police don't carry guns. Port Arthur was really just a catalyst for Australia to update old gun laws that went back to a colonial past equivalent to the "wild west". Unlike the US, Australia realised it wasn't 1890 anymore. In modern day society the only civilians who need firearms are farmers to cull wildlife or euthanise livestock, or for sport like duck hunting. This idea that access to guns should be some type of fundamental human right is so alien to pretty much anyone who wasn't raised in the US and it was weird to hear an educated professional like Dr Grande try to justify it.
@@ukaszrybkowski2769 Yes but as noted in the video the trend was already going in that direction.
Dr. G. By fair comparison, it would be interesting to see, how many school massacres Australia has had in, say, the past 20 years compared to America, don't you think?
Zero. We’ve had no school massacres.
And maybe also consider the social aspect that you people so love to ignore. How many decades did people take guns to school and even have classes with them? It's the gradual weakening of society via the education system itself, and now especially social media. The guns have always been there. It's clearly because it's absolute total control from our tyrannical government and not safety, otherwise the primary issue would be dealt with, which is handguns. The cities already have strict laws and highest crime rates though so that would destroy the narrative.
Australians are bending over to a corrupt government and expect everyone else to, but we in the US know damn well that the government needs us weak to finalize their globalist plans. If you're unfamiliar with any of that I suggest you do some research and stop choosing to be so blind to the actual nature of things.
@@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 sounds like you know nothing about Australia
@@sallywarren5700 I've seen enough to understand the state of corrupt governments. Australia is tyrannical. Stay asleep if you wish but it doesn't change that undeniable fact.
@@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 visited often?
It's very hard for Americans or South Africans or people who live in other violent societies to understand how alien the idea of guns as a fundamental right is to those of us who live in less violent countries. Not a controversial issue, never seen any campaigning to make it easier for people to kill each other. If I went to a local police station and said I need to own a gun to protect myself, they would look at me with curiosity - "Protect yourself from what?"
I try not to get involved with debates on guns because if you live in a country where gun ownership and killings are rife, what can you do? Can't go back in time and change things so they can live like the rest of us. Better to say nothing and let them get on with it. I suggest the same approach from people who live in those gun rampant countries trying to advice the rest of us about what is good for us.
@Lisa Nadis, well said. I agree with you 100%. There is no reasoning when the belief is that it is some God given right to own and use a gun. How do you explain the simple concept that violence begets more violence? As you say, you can't turn back time, it will only get worse. No amount of mass shootings will shift their thinking as the view is that guns aren't bad, the owners are!
@@deborahprosper751 Well, yes. For me the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a gun is as strange as the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a landmine. Or a small nuclear weapon. Why not? You never know when you might need to defend yourself or your property. If that sounds ridiculous, that's how ridiculous the right to keep a gun in the house sounds if are fortunate enough not to live in a gun culture.
America is a violent society? Huh. Where I grew up near Boston even grandmothers had guns. Violent crime was COMPLETELY unknown, and not because the grans were waving guns around. I suppose it could have something to do with the total lack of diversity in the local population - nothing but boring ol' white people for thirty miles in any direction. Whatever the reason, it just isn't a violent place. Of course, if all you know about America is what you see on TV, you might think otherwise.
@@cht2162 That is interesting. I don't feel qualified to comment on the use of guns in America. I do feel like commenting when an American tells us that we should be more like them and normalise guns as if they are a natural part of life, whereas I am quite happy seeing them only when I am on holiday in the USA.
I live in a society that's arguably safe, and in fact you can't really get a firearms licence on the basis of self-defense, nor is there a right to own them. But we have a large amount of guns, and they're ownership isn't universally seen as incomprehensible or alien. One major factor in this is a cultural connectedness with nature, and hunting as a part of it. Another is national defense. We have a conscripted military, so the majority of men (and many volunteer women) in any age group are familiar with firearms, and that takes a lot of mystique and fear out of it. The history of fighting for our independence in three large wars, and getting through that in large part by the competence of the infantryman, trained willingly, does contribute to the understanding of the need and importance of firearms and the knowledge to use them.
Watch the movie Nitram (Martin backwards) if anyone's interested in a gritty drama about him. It's pretty accurate aswell down to some neat details.
hell yeah dude, thank you so much for the recommendation! I would have had no Idea about it if you wouldn't have commented. I don't really like hollywood, I feel like international films are usually so much more creative, whether they're in English or a foreign language. I'm excited to watch this film! thanks again
I thought they did pretty well with it. I watched on a whim without knowing any back story and was rocked. Had no idea where it was heading for a while.
Will do!
is this on a streaming platform
@@nicoletonga5260 Yes, Stan.
This case reminds me of Adam Lanza. Same diagnosis, plenty of warning signs yet no attempt to have an early intervention.
Yes
They did intervene by denying him access to his money but not his guns, although laws may not have allowed for this at the time, it is not hard to imagine this may have set him off further.
As an Australian I believe we did the right thing for us all. We dont have and never did have a love of guns like an American has,. I will nrver understand an individual who has a right to own a gun. I do however believe that an individual has the right to protect themselves, their family and or property , in a reasonable and humane manner, using whatever they feel is reasonably necessary to do so. That may be by means of a weapon , physical attack or assault , verbal or mental aggression /abuse. So long as the person or persons are given a warning (if practical and can do so), and the person or petsons attemting assault or harm on that said person are made aware of the consequences to themselves if they continue to atack/assult the person . Eg fire a warning shot, say if you step any vloser i will shot you in the leg, foot (whatever) and then it will be a kill shot if you keep going (as a last resort. ) I also believe the person must also attemt to persuade the atackers by other means either verbally or physically ie throw a stuck or stones (?) as long as the defendant can show they made readonable attempts to subdue or persuade the attackers from their course of action as much as possible and by using as much less harmful means as possible, then they can be expected to to defend themselves , family and property without prosecution . And be absolved of guilt according to the law. All the warning sighns were there but as usuall ans what is not unique to Australia , is that mental health is often overlooked , underestimated and not very understood and resources are scarce. When something like this happens then we all cry out for change , theres alot of noise and even more promises by our leaders and then when the sensation is over its sweept under the caroet untill the next sad event. Maybe instead if “jjust gun laws” thatI still believe in by the way, we could have a serious talk and reform on mentsl health and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Niw that eould be great.! Maybe DR G and other youtubets would need diffetent content to talk about on their channels.
Both false flags lol
I thought the same thing. He even looks like Lanza a bit.
As an Australian, I have no problems with our current lack of fire arms. Have visited Tasmania/Port Arthur several times and it is an absolutely beautiful place and highly recommended if you like the outdoors and natural beauty.
Every human being has a right to carry a weapon. Had one or more of his victims been carrying a weapon, they might have been able to stop him. Visit Australia? The country appears to be run by nazis; no thanks.
And look where Australia is now, with a government out of control, unafraid of their citizens.
@@melvynobrien6193 Clearly, you have very little understanding of the lifestyle Australians enjoy. Their lifestyle involves the appreciation that, generally, if a confrontation issue should arise, the likelihood of being shot is diminished significantly. In America, as has been shown on CZcams here, a simple confrontation issue where someone chooses to brandish a gun very easily turns into someone being shot. And massacres (schools, etc.) in America seem the norm, too. America seems awash with guns and that Second Amendment has America exactly where it is today. You probably need to carry a gun because there are too many people running around with guns. Guns create more problems than they solve. No thank you.
Well, one significant impact of the gun ban: Australia has had very few mass shootings since. Versus I don't even know how many in the US?
Same here in Germany - very strict gun laws, including psychological screening for everyone getting a permit - one mass shooting maybe every 10 years.
I definitely don't agree with Dr. Grande in this instance - we curb personal freedoms for communal safety all the time - like having to wear seatbelts, or not allowing drunk driving. And owning guns makes killing someone in a fit of rage just too easy - the samples from US newspapers show that every day. "My brother ate my cheeseburger, so I shot him." "I Texas mother got into a fight with her daughter, so she shot her." In other countries, such conflicts generally get resolved without lethal consequences.
@@melvynobrien6193 , speaking as a German: Australia run by Nazis? Get a grip.
As an Australian I think the big reason we're big on gun control is because, even if homicide rates are comparable, it's easier to avoid becoming part of that statistic if you play your cards right.
Getting involved with shady characters will still, as always, provide the chance of being murdered. Similarly, getting in a stranger's car will do the same.
But the chances of minding your own business at a cafe, or at work, or at a club and yet still becoming the victim of a murder are drastically lowered. Especially for mass murders, seeing as we haven't had an indiscriminate mass murder since (I think we've had a familicide or two though). I guess it's a lot harder to kill 20 random strangers with a knife, so when these dangerous people make these plans, they usually try to illegally obtain a firearm and are often caught in the process.
But yeah, I think the general consensus is that while the murder rates are still comparable, it's much easier to avoid being murdered.
Agree. But that's not relevant in this case.
It's not comparable though. The US has a rate of 5 per 100,000 people to Australia's 0.9.
100% agree; it's a right I'd have no problem giving up if it meant my kids were not practicing drills to avoid nut cases during school.
@@RaelThomas Figures don't bare out, dude, the number of deaths by guns in America, with the different populations taken into account, is way off the chart. Y'all got one righteously ugly mess you need to see to before you start explaining the smell away with different population numbers.
An Australian also, I feel very safe knowing my chances of being shot are pretty close to zero
@12:46 -- please cite you references. I've found that most countries that don't allow everyone to casually have guns, have fewer gun-rampages, fewer suicides by gun, and fewer gun-related accidents. What are your statistics here?
As if "statistics" aren't subjective, where certain things are ignored, that don't fit the person with an agendas biases.
Where are YOUR references?
You've "found"
I bet that you're the type of person that can't work a math problem and so you count on a calculator and trust blindly it gives you the right answer.
I was literally watching something on this two night ago. Horrific stuff. Thanks Doc for the video 📸
I know who you mean 🙂
I was figuratively watching the same program.
I also watched a video about Martin. Truly horrifying! I cannot believe how long he was tormenting people…. He knew exactly what he was doing…. He enjoyed it his entire life. He never should have had the opportunity to kill so many innocent people.
This Is Monsters??
@@darrellcovello7917 what else could it have been lol
In 2019 an Australian killed 50 people while they were at prayer at 2 mosques in New Zealand. He could not achieve this aim in Australia because of the gun laws. New Zealand had weaker gun laws at the time so he was able to obtain the weapons he needed. I believe New Zealand has since toughened the gun laws there.
The only people in NZ with access to military style semi automatic rifles are the Police and crime gangs.
@@nikkimclay5474 it has taken time for guns to be removed from the Australian black market, unfortunately the US international gun smuggling ring black market is huge. It's too easy for criminals to get guns from US.
@@sherrylovegood agreed!
@@sherrylovegood thank you JoJo. I live in Christchurch about 2 km from one of the Mosques and was here when it happened. It wasn't your fault, he was just a total nut. No one holds any Australian culpable for it. We do however hold your government culpable for deporting all the crims that may have lived in Australia most of their lives but had never had citizenship. Gang violence has increased exponentially since Dutton started this 'taking out the trash' as he so descriptively put it.
@@sherrylovegood nobody knows radicaI more than musIims
US homicide rate per 100k: 5
AU homicide rate per 100k: 0.9
AU population: almost entirely white/asian. About 2.5 of the US number are self unalive, the remaining 1.5 are inner city gang related. Context matters.
@@firetruck988l0000l.
@firetruck988 Australia has gangs and inner city slum areas too.. we have low income areas, suicides and drug addicts a plenty.. context matters sure? but theres a difference of over 5 fold here..
Plus, do you genuinely believe that having guns available everywhere, vs guns being heavily restricted, has no affect at all on gun related deaths?? Like nothing?? You can't seriously believe that lol
@@littleblackfox1 a) suicide won't skew your gun stats if they're not using guns to do it due to handgun availability.
@@littleblackfox1 Your logic: "unalives are ok as long as they're not gun related, we can just ignore the problem".
Fascinating discussion on this case. I can see how important balance is on our societies. Making laws based on “what you do to the least you do to me” versus personal freedoms at any cost. Ethics aside, it seems that Martin was very disturbed from a young age and did not get the help he needed. You explained his childhood wasn’t bad but his mother knew something was seriously wrong with him.
@@AlwaysPossible100 completely agree mate, aussie here. None of the arguments of gun rights mentioned in this video resonated with me at all. We culturally (with exception of a few) don't care about guns, it's not part of our culture the same way it is in America. Gun violence has decreased BECAUSE of the gun laws that followed, thats a fact. I wouldn't make any arguments on what should happen in America though, the issue there is more complex, and the fact they could more easily have guns smuggled in illegally in their country compared to Australia where that really can't happen
When he was pre-teen he would torture animals and once lit a building on fire that had people in it. When he got into trouble and was asked whether he learned his lesson he said no, I’ll probably do it again. He was so low IQ, troubled and cruel that no one knew how to handle his situation.
@@Artybruh . The chances of getting randomly shot by a stranger in Oz are so small that it hardly occurs to most people. Most shootings are targeted organized crime (bikies) related.
Catherine H. I agree with you.
I think part of the problem is that what he really needed was social skills. And lessons like this were hard to come buy back in the day.
I have seen people with low IQ who have really good social skills, they talk and interact well.
His father also knew something was seriously wrong with Martin as he was growing up, no need to put blame just on his mother.
So he tortured and killed small animals!!! I guess it was only a matter of time before he went after humans, he just needed an excuse.
@@nikkimclay5474 sometimes when you understand something about someone, the best you can do is protect others by locking that person away.
I am an expat, now an Australian citizen, I was an avid shooter and was on the shooting team in high school. However, living in Australia, I feel 100% safer from random gun violence. However, you can still own guns in Australia it is not a 100% ban. There are gun clubs, and you can own and shoot your gun there. Also, if you own a property, outside of the urban areas you can own certain types of guns to protect yourself from dangerous animals and pests. Those guns can also be used for sports shooting on that property. You simply cannot walk around with a gun, buy a gun at the local department store or have one in your house. Also keep in mind Australia is a Federation, not a constitutional republic. Our constitution is for the federation not the people. And we do not have a bill of rights. So, no one here has the right to “bear arms” or “plead the fifth”. We do have laws for freedom of speech, and the right to not incriminate ourselves but they are not part of the constitution and are legislated differently and are not a blank check.
Australia does not have free speech.
In Australia you can keep firearms & ammunition stored in your home as long as it is stored in a regulatory considered secure safe.
Sounds like you found the right place for you, if you fear gun violence. I have no such fear, and place a high value on freedom. I have visited Australia twice and enjoyed it. However, based on the recent shows of force against its citizens, I could never live there.
@@Relayer56 I'm sorry you have NO idea what you are talking about. Do not conflate American Politics with Australian Politics. On the most part people here are MORE than happy to have had the lockdowns and safety and security. The few who are complaining about it are the outliers not the norm. Everyone I know no matter their political leanings, would rather be safe than believe they are better off with their family and friends dying around them. so they can have "MY FREEDOM" that's just foolhardy, selfish and childish. Go ahead and stay in American.
@@zenadra like I said, you have found the best place for you. Celebrate your lockdowns and lack of freedoms.
Like many others posting here, I am Australian. This is very much a "Where were you when you heard...?" incident for Australians.
I should point out that this incident was preceded (admittedly, by nearly a decade) by two mass shootings in Melbourne: the Hoddle Street massacre and the Queen Street massacre, both of which occurred in 1987 and within four months of each other.
These two incidents, like the Port Arthur, involved single male shooters: Julian Knight (Hoddle Street) and Frank Vitkovic (Queen Street). Of these two, one perpetrator survived (Julian Knight) and like Martian Bryant, remain imprisoned. Frank Vitkovic ended his life by smashing the window on the floor of the building on which was disarmed (Level 11), and jumping to his death. Vitokovic's disarming is an astounding story in itself, and I encourage others to seek out records of the bravery of those involved in this action.
While there was almost a decade between these incidents and the one in Tasmania, the reaction to Martin Bryant's rampage was 'one-step-too-far' for most Australians. Not only did Bryant kill more people, but the range in ages of his victims was also wider. Some also believe his methodical execution of many of his victims to be even more callous than the murders carried out by Knight and Bryant.
In any case, with respect I would say that it was within these *contexts* - not just what occurred in Port Arthur - that more severe restrictions of firearms were put into place.
Explorations of Julian Knight and Frank Vitkovic could possibly serve as future uploads.
Where were you when Martin Bryant went crazy at Port Arthur?
@@jewdavid5627 Southbank. I saw Billy Connolly walk by. Weird coincidence.
I was driving from Melbourne to country NSW, I remember it so clearly
Thanks. Martin acts that day were horrible as weird and strange was his whole life before the massacre. I followed Port Arthur events since they unfolded long time ago. I am trying to watch Nitram the movie shoted in Cannes two years ago
so how has the death rate (relating to guns) gone for the USA Dr. Grande? you're making the argument that Australia was lowering and continued to lower after the change in gun laws. But what happened to the USA in the same period of time? Did it increase or decrease? seems like a good comparison that we can compare the outcomes of.
What would knowing the background trend in the US teach us?
hi @@eadweard. . so it's a basic comparison between two countries. you can compare the mortality rate (from guns) between two countries - one that never changed their gun laws versus one that restricted guns - and see the difference. AUS and US are very similar in terms of culture and so the difference in gun deaths could be very interesting given one country changed their entire gun laws.
@@mediamonster8005 I think comparing Australia with Australia, i.e. before and after additional restrictions would be much more revealing. But anyway the trend in the US is also down: it's halved in the last 30 years.
@@eadweard. well no... I think I understand what you're getting at, but you can't compare the same data set to itself (even if it's over a prolonged period of time). you need to compare similar (but separate) data sets over a similar period of time. the US rate may have dropped, but you need a comparison set of data that you can compare against (like AUS), to see if the law/policy changes had any impact. the rates may have dropped in USA, but maybe they could have dropped more using AUS laws (or increased??). I don't know the answer - but I do know that once the new gun laws were introduced in AUS we had A LOT less gun incidents.
Gun laws won’t work here. Criminals would get them, and people would resist the legal change violently.
Dr. Grande is really out here making 2022 a better year already 🙌
Looking back, these videos have really enriched a mostly arid and cheerless year! Thank you!
I am so grateful for the fact that we have strict gun laws here in Australia. If you want them, you can still get them. I believe that people should go through screenings before you can buy one and adhere to safety restrictions when you do have one. The right* to own a gun isn't taken away, there's just a bureaucratic barrier that helps to stop people from lashing out, buying and using one in the heat of the moment. That's not to say that spontaneous shootings don't happen, but I believe that barrier is why the rate of these shootings has stayed down, though it would be interesting to know why it was going down before the laws were introduced. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, I'd love to see more international cases covered on your channel!
*Note that we don't actually have fundamental rights that're protected by the govt. in AUS, we just have a few scattered provisions (which I think is an issue, but that's a different discussion).
you do know that same bureaucratic barrier exists in every country with legal firearms ownership? even in the USA there are background checks and you usually have a wait period, depending on the state, before you can get any weapons.
I live in Queensland and own several rifles, I like the licensing system in that it's not too difficult or complicated to get a firearms licence but is enough of a hassle that anyone who isn't going to take owning a firearm seriously isn't going to bother (it takes about 6 weeks after completing the firearms safety course to receive the licence and another 6-8 weeks to receive the first permit to actually purchase a gun).
@@commander31able60 I should have clarified that I like that Australia's gun restrictions are amongst the most strict in the world. What I said in my original comment implies that I thought the US had no restrictions which is not true at all of course.
@@100deidara001 bureaucracy is an evil that exists as a parasite in any power structure. It’s like the fleas on a wolf.
This was well done Dr. I am amazed at the number of commentators who claim you don’t understand how great it is to have given up a right to protect themselves and their property, only to explain how crazy it is for another to not want to do that. As you said, it is a complex issue. One that far outpaces keyboard warriors who didn’t take the time to think about and produce a video to discuss it.
The homicide rate might not have changed much in australia, but the evidence that gun regulation prevents individuals from commiting massacres like this is undeniable.
Also the right to own guns shouldn't be a thought of as a fundamental right, frankly. Nobody needs guns to live.
What does it matter if overall no lives are saved?
@@eadweard. what about the hundreds of people who get lifelong injuries or permanent trauma because of spree shooters, armed criminals, and civilians who dont properly handle guns. Blinding yourself to every effect besides homicides is missing a lot of the harm laissez faire gun policies can allow.
@@prahanormal If homicides didn't decrease, what reason do we have to think crime-related injuries decreased?
@@eadweard. because they're two different things that can be effected by policy differently
Actually, statistically the homicide rate is falling on average 2% per year
Citation. Australian Government. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. Injury in Australia: Assault and Homicide. 9 Dec 2021.
You do not live in Australia, we view gun control completely different to the US , the greatest good for the majority
That's why you have tiny little minorities- just like mice that "roar" dictating how millions of other people have to live, it's getting backwards like that in the US, too.
We in fact have more guns now in Australia than before Port Arthur, about 3.6m now vs 3.1m then. The reason, as Dr Grande pointed out, is that the number of private gun owners has reduced, but guns per owner has increased (current average of 3.9 guns per owner).
So long as you do not have FPO, pass a background check, and have a “genuine reason” for owning a gun, you can own one. Actually there’s no limit, get 10. But “self-defence” is not a legitimate reason. That may sound unjust to some folk, but self defence is a lame excuse for any nut job (insert any episode of Judge Judy). If you want to own a gun and know how to use it in a private capacity, you become a member of a gun club. In short, guns are owned in Australia by people who have legitimate work requirements, and property or private interests, and demonstrate the level of responsibility and sincerity required to keep them.
If you can’t be bothered with all of that but just want to know what it’s like to fire a weapon, you can still go to your local shooting range, pass a quick check and go for gold. You’ll be restricted to rifles but still a lot of fun.
The numbers do not reflect firearms % increase vs. population % increase from '96 to present (more or less.)
Firearms: ~16.1% increase.
Population: ~45% increase.
Close to 95% difference.
Cheers!
@@nomojo1110 great point, thank you!
How is self defense not a legitimate reason?
I'm sorry for the perhaps silly question, but what is FPO?
As someone who lives in the States, I'm incredibly torn about the gun issue. In our country, gun violence is so prevalent that there've been times when people who were armed actually saved lives by taking down the mass shooter. one of these happened at a church in Texas, the other was at a mall just last month, but I can't remember where.
I struggle with liking the idea of your average person not needing guns, and with the need to defend yourself from gun violence. I'm completely blind, so I have no reason or desire to own a gun, and I never will, it's just something I ponder. I get angry/frustrated when people are so severely pro-gun laws here that they don't look at other countries' perspectives, or when people from other countries don't try to understand where we are right now.
Truthfully, we're in an incredibly scary place, and my fiance and I have talked, lightly, about leaving the U.S. someday. I don't know if it'll happen, but who knows.
Thank you so much for your insight. It helps to understand and to try to understand another's perspective.
@@LostJedi26 FPO = Firearm protection order.
I understand your conflict with the issue being in the US. The reason “self defence” is not a legitimate reason for gun ownership here is that the question becomes ‘what are you defending yourself from?’ Gun violence is very rare here - A total of 27 homicides from firearms in 2019-2020. While there is violent crime, it’s extremely unlikely you will need to defend yourself against a gun, and therefore can arguably protect yourself by less escalatory means. This is of course attributed to our gun laws and accessibility. So there’s no real argument to be made for the good guy with a gun here. The US on the other hand… I really feel for your position in a nation with such a ridiculous incidence of gun violence. Would more restrictions on gun ownership help prevent attacks, or hinder well intended citizens? It helped us, but how much of that is because of our demographics, personal and national relationship to guns, etc.
I live in a country where guns are not a fundamental right, and I'm appreciative of someone who talks about guns and gun rights in a rational way. I always listen closely when Dr. Grande talks about guns. It's hard for someone outside of the USA to understand the American passion for arms, especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons. I did grow up in a family of hunters, but there were only hunting guns.
Although Tasmania's murder count did not go down as a result of the change in gun laws, I do notice that the US has many more gun deaths than countries that have strong gun control.
It definitely changes things when you're in a country where guns aren't common. Sometimes makes ya feel safer. I remember being in Taiwan (where guns are extremely uncommon) and riding up a mountain and ending up on a narrow road through a residential area, and thinking that if I were in the US I'd have to worry about potentially getting a gun pointed at me by a trigger-happy homeowner who was spooked by the sillhouette of a bicycle riding by his house at oh-dark-stupid.
I’m Tasmanian. Australia NEVER had a mass shooting since then. Dr grande didn’t mention it.
I do not feel safe in the USA
@@nikkimclay5474 to verify that you'd need to go to a parallel world where these laws were not passed and look at the shooting data. it could just as well be other factors are responsible for a reduction in mass shootings, not just gun control. after all, you can still get guns.
"especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons" because self-loaders are the most fun to shoot. I wouldn't say there's an "American passion for arms", but there are a lot of gun owners in the USA as opposed to other countries. the country as a whole has a love-hate relationship with firearms.
@@Catiecatiecatiecaful Me neither. And we used to enjoy going so much. (Of course, with COVID we can’t go anyway so it’s all good.)
Early Grande is great. So many stories, so little time. Thank you, Grande.
Thanks for covering this case.
I'm from Sydney, Australia, and although some people see it as taking away our rights, a lot of Aussies don't see it that way.
I'm happy that we have the gun restrictions that we have. Although we still have gun-related crime here, we haven't had a mass shooting that has claimed the lives of more than about 5 or 6 people since the laws were changed in 1996.
Mass shootings and sadly, school shootings in the US are too often seen in the news these days.
It's not that people can't own a gun here, it's that they can't go and buy an automatic or semi-automatic, which are the weapons of choice for these kinds of crimes.
Osmington shooting 2018, 7 dead, and yes, you can buy a semi automatic firearm in Australia.
@@ricbarker4829 Okay, I was wrong about a couple of things. But I do know it isn't easy to get a semi-automatic though. Lots of hoops to jump through to get any gun legally. Anyway, my main point still stands about how much good the gun laws have done here in Australia.
@@SusanCartersBooks You are correct. To obtain a semi auto rifle you must have a valid reason, such as a professional shooter who culls problem species. A semi auto pistol, which I think would be more dangerous in a mass shooting episode, if you planned it out like Bryant, it would take you 6 months to obtain one with no other reason than you want one. It is debatable if the new gun laws have made Australia safer. If I wanted to kill a hundred people today I could drive my truck down Rundle Mall at 100kph. As for jumping through hoops, it is harder to get your drivers licence.
Fooled by the false flag, fake as can be.
@@ricbarker4829 The Osmington shooting was familicide so not a mass shooting under the definition of a mass shooting, As an Aussie I didn't even hear of this in the news when it happened, I had to search it up not Surprised though because familicide is really common here.
Thank you for the upload. I've always wanted to know more about the case.
As an Aussie I can say everyone felt a lot safer after the removal of guns. Also people who genuinely need them such as farmers can apply for a gun licence. The laws were changed on account of this case but also because Australians did not want a gun culture as in America.
The film Nitram (Martin spelled backwards) explores this case in depth.
And as a bonus our cops don’t need to feel under constant threat and become trigger happy morons.
Gun ownership wasn't a "fundamental right" in the U.S.A. until our sick and vicious Supreme Court corrupted the Second Amendment to say every schmuck on the block has an a right to a semi-automatic. Absolute rubbish.
I’m thankful to the older generations of Australians who put aside their want to own a gun for self-defence of themselves and their families, for the good of our nation. Our children and grandchildren will never be shot at school.
@@AlwaysPossible100 I find it weird how people can feel safe without guns & with guns. I've seen people talk about feeling safe because their country has guns, and I've also seen people say they feel safe because their country has guns. I guess humans are different like that
I will point out more people are killed in Auto accidents than by gun violence in the US. You can look up the numbers and see for yourself.
I am a typical Australian in this regard. I do not see owning a lethal firearm as a human right and I cannot understand why such a thing would be held in high regard. Americans have clearly been conditioned to overvalue gun rights. Every country does indeed have the right to draw its own line as to how efficient a weapon of murder is allowed to be owned by any citizen. We could all have the right to own sarin gas, but there is no justification. Likewise, high power firearms belong only in the hands of the few with a legitimate occupational reason. It isn't that hard.
100% Agree
ownership of firearms in the USA is enshrined in the constitution because the people for whom it was written used those firearms to gain independence. the 2nd Amendment protects their ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, and in my opinion they're long overdue to exercise that rate because a bipartisan political system with the biggest lobbying industry in the world may as well be tyrannical.
I don't see how someone can overvalue gun rights in a country with so much violent crime committed with illegally-obtained weapons - stricter gun control won't affect those guns in any meaningful way while also preventing law-abiding citizens from defending themselves.
here in Switzerland, firearm ownership is also enshrined in the constitution. there is little to no gun crime, and we had one mass shooting in the 90s perpetrated by a mentally disturbed ex-soldier.
@fag bag Same and actually I'm kind of put off, it's a shame because I watch his videos every single morning and always feel like he talks sense in this crazy world.
@@commander31able60 ok fine - having guns to protect against a tyrannical government is fine, but you don’t need to carry them or take them to school etc. It’s like saying “i need nukes to protect us from Russia and North Korea and then when you nuke California for disagreeing congress you argue that we need nukes to protect against Russia.”. It flat out doesn’t make sense. Also, one of the “funniest” things I can think of is a bunch of Americans with guns rising up against a government that spends billions and trillions on war machines. It would take literally 2 minutes for the government to wipe out the patriots with guns. In fact, give the mob a few minutes and they’ll likely shoot each other just walking to the battle.
@@handsomepetevideos I don’t think it’s very tactically sound to attack the government - the “patriots” would most likely hide, in the woods or among the general population, and cripple the economy that bankrolls the war machine. It’s also against the constitution to deploy the US military against its own population.
Soory. First time I didn't enjoy a video by Dr. Grande. It all has to do with guns, but I am a European, and therefore hold opposite views on the matter.
Gun violence and proliferation is one of the reasons I left the US and I will never go back. What kind of place does nothing about people being mass murdered with powerful firearms in schools, churches, parking lots, grocery stores and on and on? It's insanity.
Very unprofessional no one in this field would agree. No longer going to waste time on arm chair pseudo psychology
What do you mean?
The history of Europe shows me that those citizens who are unable to arm themselves tend to fall victim to totalitarian regimes. Especially in Slavic countries.
Absurd.
This tragic event changed gun laws in Australia. My understanding is that all of the states agreed upon standardised licensing rules, and the new standards prohibited anyone with a criminal record or mental illness from owning guns. The rules also limited the number of guns and the guns firing capacity per person. People were able to hand in weapons no questions asked for a time, a friend of mine was quite upset as some of his hunting rifles were collectable. That said, the chances for a child to accidentally shoot his own mother in the back while she is driving in the car are infinitely lower here in Australia.
A madman goes on a shooting spree and the government takes away guns from normal people; that makes sense. NOT. And, are there a lot of children who have shot their mothers in the back while they are driving? Were children allowed to carry rifles in the back seats of cars till the law changed? Silly comment.
@@melvynobrien6193 Wow, you missed the part after listen carefully lol
@@melvynobrien6193 far from silly. Every week, someone is shot by a TODDLER in America. And these numbers are five years out of date. Australia handled this perfectly, as did the Australian people, who aren’t tethered by the paranoia and obsession with pseudo 'freedom' enjoyed by the States.
@@melvynobrien6193 hasn’t been a massacre here since.
@@jeremybradley559 also very wrong
I've been waiting for this one for a year. Thank you, Dr Grande. Love from Australia.
why should owning a gun be a fundamental right?
owning a car is a similar thing - but you still need a licence and to test people to make sure they are capable of using a car in order for them to have one. I think guns are the same (if not more so).
THANK YOU. YES.
Well the idea is that guns are a necessity if you want to resist a tyrannical government. Cars are just for getting around.
@@eadweard. do you live in a tyrannical government?
@@mediamonster8005 I'm just pointing out why guns, unlike cars, are considered a fundamental right in the US. The political conditions in my own country have no bearing on that fact.
@@eadweard. and even if you did, do you think a few people with some guns could fight back against the whole US military? you're president is also the commander in chief... he can enforce the entire army forces on your population... owning a few guns does nothing but put your immediate family and friends at risk.
Giving up some freedoms for safety is literally he point of a society. My children’s’ right to survive childhood trumps your right to own a deadly weapon.
Then only Criminals have guns. They are not going to obey laws. Get it?
@@robertgiles9124 lmao how can someone be so illogical
Dr Grande is a gun enthusiast. Because he has chosen to label guns as toys his perspective is skewed, and he is being dishonest in his assessment of the gun regulation studies. But guns are not toys, no matter how you find to include them in games.
@jenilynneful
Hello Jenny. It's easy to say that for me too as I am an Australian where it is very hard to get access to illegal guns to commit crime and we also have a fairly low crime rate.
Yet if I lived in the US I would buy a gun for self defense asap.
But the whole point of a gun is also to protect your child & yourself from someone else here the crime rate is fairly high, the police cant get to your home in time to protect you, and the criminal who has easy access to illegal weapons coming over the border. New tech can give a gun a fingerprint scanner too.
Other countries like Switzerland manage to have a very high private gun ownership without the mass shootings that the US has, and mass shootings are also fairly new in the US as well, where it has become a Social Contagion and way to gain media notoriety.
So I understand why Americans don't want to give the very thing that can protect themselves withz if they go to gun training and follow safety precautions.
@@pebblepod30Americans could try alarms and good home security
As a gun enthusiast who would love to own an assault rifle, I 100% agree with the restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arther. The safety of the people supersedes my desire to shoot things fast. Also we have had close to zero mass shootings since, so Grandes argument about the efficacy of the ban is wrong.
So, aside from those committed by this madman, how prevalent were mass shootings BEFORE these draconian laws?
Switzerland has citizens owning machine guns and the like, the rules are over the top.
@@Warriorcock6969 😂yeah sure mate😂
Hearing about Martin's enjoyment on the flight just breaks my heart. There's a lot of 'what if's I could lay out, but the bottom line is that none of the better alternatives happened. Ultimately, this is a textbook example of why psychiatrists and psychologists are crucial professions in any developed country.
I think "fundamental right" for guns are not there. It is more comparable to owning and driving a vehicle. You need to be able to demonstrate a level of competency. It's an earned privilege within a framework of "rights". I think for something to qualify as "fundamental right" its more basic survival and the person as agency over their own being. Right to defend oneself? Yeah. Right to have a gun? No.
Are you proposing that a person should defend themselves with a knife against another person that has a gun (criminals will ALWAYS have avenues to obtain guns)?
What about a woman against a man who wants to harm her?
Or a handicapped person defending his/herself against a fully-functional individual of any gender who wants to cause harm to him/her?
What if it’s several people against one person?
Or an adult who is about to hurt a child?
Do you want to get within arm’s length with a psycho?
I KNOW it’s a fundamental right for me to be able to defend myself PROPORTIONATELY with ANY WEAPON against a person whose intention is to hurt me, or someone else, and the person with ill-intent has a distinct advantage in a conflict, whether it be with their brute strength, or because he/she/they are armed with a weapon!
@@JDoe001 Hello pro-gun bot. My argument is that guns are not at the same level of "fundamental right" as basic survival needs. No one is born with a gun, nor need nor knowledge of how to use it. You earn that. That is what makes gun ownership a privilege, as opposed to a fundamental right.
@@JDoe001 I know that since the firearms ban in Australia there hasn't been a mass shooting since. It works for Australia, and the vast majority of Australians are in favor of it. No one's asking you to move to Australia. You're welcome to stay in the U.S.
@@demonkagerou being born with it has nothing to do with it, at all. It's the right to be able to do it
As an Australian I found this quite disappointing. In particular I didn't understand why Dr Grande spent so much time discussing fundamental gun rites, when that did not and does not apply to Australia. Surely that's a topic for an American gun issue video, rather than on Martin Bryant. I would have much preferred that this discussion remained relevant to the actual situation in Australia.
I thought the same thing.
Someone as articulate & well spoken in so many topics applying such a clearly biased point of view rings as very strange.
That said the fine Dr is clearly aware of his own bias & is only human so it's to be expected if he feels strongly on the subject we will see some bias injected.
The topic of gun rights in Australia has never been more important... we are now reaping the tyranny that our cowardly parents sowed
@Amy Weinholtz You had a choice to get what was often well above market value for your gun, after Port Arthur. It had a nearly 90% approval amongst us Aussies. All up 650,000 firearms were handed in. This saw a big decrease in suicides by gun, etc. *The Prime Minister who wanted this at that time, was a very conservative one.
It’s weird but I felt confused…was this a criticism on Australian gun laws or an analysis on Martin Bryant. I mean at what point does America learn something needs to be done about their gun laws? Why is this almost impossible? I’m glad Australia changed our gun laws. This massacre changed our whole country. Politicians on both sides worked together and in a few months it was law. A right to bare arms doesn’t change the record amounts of school shootings….it’s shameful.
Agree absolutely, he does not understand the Australian context at all. Certainly his information is very dated as many who opposed the legislation now support it after recognising the fairly small effect that it had on their lives.
Great coverage and insights as usual, Dr.
This was such a sad time in Australia’s history. It affected so many families and communities. Thank you Dr G on your thoughts.
I didn’t like his thoughts, he was basically saying the gun control scheme was over -reaching and didn’t work. Well, I was 10 when it happened and I lived in Tasmania. I was terrified it would happen again. We never had a mass shooting in the whole nation since. So I don’t appreciate dr grande’s thoughts. I appreciate John Howard’s gun control legislation. That is what let me grow up in a safe world.
@@Catiecatiecatiecaful Did Australia had mass shootings like this before?
With the gun restrictions in Australia, the Martin Bryant case was one in a number of attacks that had occurred with a gunman opening fire on strangers (people unknown to the gunman). The Martin Bryant case the final straw for the Australian community.
We also have a ideology that we will sacrifice a 'want' for the good of the community. Guns are not a 'need' or a necessity.
There is no real gun culture in Australia unlike the US. And I suppose we really don't understand it.
There are still gun deaths here. But it is usually criminals shooting other criminals. Armed criminals usually don't go for the general public.
Very similar here in Canada.
In Australia you can get a gun.. you have to go through police checks and get a license. We don’t have automatic weapons and I think that’s a good thing. When I went to the US I blew my mind what was available in Walmart ect. Absolutely crazy if you ask me ..
Up until the late 80s you could buy guns at Kmart in Australia. It was totally normal and no one thought any different.
I thought this was about mental health you focused too much on gun rights.
Martin Bryant's case is only important because of it's impact on gun rights. Before I became involved in sport shooting, I had never heard of this incident. Most well-read, sophisticated people outside of Australia have not heard of it.
@@patnolen8072 I understand the impact and importance of discussing gun laws with this case and explaining it to people who never heard of the case. However I feel the Dr shifted to much to this topic.
I feel back then and in my day's the help and resources weren't there for kids who had problems however we didn't all turn into killers.
I am Australian too and I definitely agree with the removal of guns. So do the majority of Australians. I definitely don't agree that owning a gun is a basic fundamental human right!! You lost me there! Although I respect your perspective. People who genuinely need them such as farmers are able to obtain them with a gun licence and there are shooting galleries throughout the country where you can go to shoot a gun if you feel the need. There is definitely no need for the average Joe to own a gun. The restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arthur has resulted in Australia having an extremely low firearm mortality rate compared to the USA's extremely high firearm mortality rate. I definitely appreciate living in a country where I don't have to fear trigger happy neighbours. Thanks so much for your videos Dr. Grande :) I enjoy watching them. This is the first time I've commented :D
It baffles my mind when people think people having military grade weapons is a "fundamental right" and that mass shootings that terrorize an entire nation is just the tradeoff we must endure so they can enjoy their hobby.
I really enjoy Dr Grande's videos and he seems like an otherwise thoughtful person so I'm shocked to hear him express such gun fanatic ideas.
When the Port Arthur incident occurred in the mid-90s there was much talk in the media about AIDS. What if a news story broke about a gay Australian who had infected 35 sex partners with AIDS? If this story made a big splash in the media - what then? Would Parliament in Canberra crack down on homosexuality with more anti-gay restrictions?
@@patnolen8072 Odd assessment. Seems better to make AIDS tests widely available to limit spread
Aussie and totally agree! Took the words out of my mouth :)
You do realise that there is more guns and gun owners around now then there was back in 1996 and that not just farmers can own firearms a lot more people than you realise own firearms most for hunting and recreational
I miss the educational videos of your early days, but you've got your formula down. Good for you
I remember when this happened! My neighbours were in tasmania on holidays I heard later that they had just left the cafe before Bryant went crazy! Truly terrifying watching the news was bad enough! I will never forget it so sad☮️🇦🇺
Literally dodged bullets! So thankful you didn’t lose your neighbors.
I can't even imagine he just went around shooting everybody I'm with his IQ who knows what else he could have done but situation had to be terrifying for people there
You could have seen the Mossad agent who did it
"Australia marks 25 years since worst mass shooting Reuters":
Australia has had no mass shootings since 1996.
"Total deaths from firearms were 521 in the country in 1996. In 2019, with the population up from about 18 million to 25 million, Australia had 219 deaths, official data showed."
BINGO! Thanks, Jock. I also notice Dr. G did not give your comment a "like". 😄
@@richardgray3112 I'm not sure what your point is. The stats I cite just relate to deaths related to firearms.
How many deaths from knives? How many from hammers? Bombs? Automobiles?
Why wasn't this guy in a locked psych ward? What wasn't he medicated? Would that have interfered with his rights to identify as a mass murdering psychopath?
@@TomDog5812so you are saying that knives and semi automatic weapons are comparable
Laws surround cars ownership to try to protect the innocent ,so by your logic gums should have lots of laws
Too many gun-crazy Americans to ever get sensible laws here. We love guns more than people. 😢
Thanks Doc, great work!
Perfect timing. :) I have a job that I'm able to take Dr. Grande with me to listen to while I work. Makes the time go by. :)
Another terrific video and analysis from the Doctor. Your last comments hit hard with being a vet. If you ever want to use their services, the more of yourself you have to give.
Great analysis Dr. Grande. I just learned about this horrific mass shooting today and decided to search CZcams for more information. Saw your video in the search results and knew you wouldn't disappoint. May all of the victims continue to rest in peace. 🕊💫
You are so fair and intelligent i totally agree with you on this. I have listened to every one of your videos from educational to the most recent. I truly enjoy and appreciate your point of view.
Over 25 yr later and in Australia this is still considered a major tragedy. As far as your thoughts go; far from feeling like our rights are restricted, having gun control has given us freedom and peace of mind. Most of us here feel sorrow for countries with limited or no gun controls, whose citizens as a result have to suffer through deeply tragic and unfair situations like this one a lot more regularly
This was our first and last big mascara of this kind. We really restricted guns designed to lots of kill ppl quickly. You can still can get hunting guns and farmers usually have a gun or two.
My dad had a gun on his boat as we were close to Indonesia waters known for prirates. But I'm so glad there aren't many around. The only school shooting I can remember were with a crossbow which is harder to kill large numbers of children with.
The way this guy killed the little girl who ran away and hid behind the tree is one of the saddest parts.
a good samaritan with a legal gun couldve been there to stop him, no?
@@benmeiss9901 sounds fictional to me to think that everyone whipping out guns would help the situation, he was using AR15 amongst others. I'm glad not to have the stress of random ppl walking around assault riffles.
its not fictional at all. it happens many times that an active shooter has been stopped by a legal gun owner, often they are a passer by or are patronizing a business when a situation like this happens.
@@benmeiss9901 example?
in white settlement texas, a gunman tried to kill a church congregation and was killed by a church patron who carried his pistol with him, saving the rest. if you google "gunman stopped by armed citizen" you will find many results. Also, there is no such thing as an "assault" rifle. its called an armalite rifle.
I just watched an documentary about this terrible event.. Yet again I found myself thinking " what would Dr Grande speculate is going on in a case like this?" and here you are. You never fail to deliver 🤗
As an Australian, I am so glad that our gun laws are as tough as they are. I have never felt afraid here, though in my 3 previous visits to the US was always hyper vigilant, even if just hearing people yelling. Our schools don’t have metal detectors, we have very few mass shootings. This is just how I feel as an Aussie and don’t want it to be any other way.
Good to hear it. Here in the US they always moan and protest gun laws/control etc won't help. Obviously facts are opposite as other countries prove over & over but can't reason with unreasonable people.
They won’t ever learn. No matter how many nutjobs randomly decide to commit mass murder.
Karen, as a fellow Australian , I couldn't agree more, at least we can send our children too kindergarten, knowing they won't be shot by someone with a gun. Like you l can go out, without the fear that some crazed gun person will come out and shoot me. Also when in America , I'm hypervigalent. As for John Howard , a head shot could have taken him down . I appreciate our gun laws. I am a Proud Australian .
@@zenawarrior7442 Thank you Zena that was a great comment. Best Wishes from Australia.
@@nikkimclay5474 Nikki, thank you, I really liked your comment. Stay safe and happy to all our friends in New Zealand.
Too bad we in America cannot learn from one shooter who kills many. We will never get all the guns off the street in America. Sad situation all around.
When armed society has a better level of bargaining power against the government and the rich who have weaponised their wealth through lobbying. Stealing peoples guns doesn't treat the cause of why people act out, it's just trying to control them without paying greater costs for a better standard of living with having treatment for mental health.
Americans... Even someone as educated as Dr. G sounds obviously pro gun. So weird for us Europeans.
I rarely disagree with you, however I am so glad we don't have this "fundamental right" here in Australia... Also, I think you'll find it's more like 99% in support of this.
The US intentional homicide rate (per capita) is over 5 times (that's 500%) the rate of Australia. You can still buy guns in Australia, but not ones that are completely unnecessary for civilians (read: handguns, or machine guns) and the licensing is rigourous and thorough, as it should be.
Since 1991, 3 Australians have died in school shootings. Three.
who decided what is and isn't a necessary weapon for a civilian? you?
Australian here too and just so you know, you can buy handguns in Aus, there're just different licences for long arms, handguns and semi autos.
Also, just wanted to ask, where did you get the number 3 from for shootings in Aus since '91? That sounds like far too few.
@@commander31able60 weapons serve a purpose. Like... For hunting... So it's very easy to figure out... Does a civilian have any use for an assault rifle? No.
@@colh3127
Since 1991, Australia has experienced six school shootings. Two of these shootings, La Trobe University and Monash University, had one and two deaths respectively. The other four shootings did not have any deaths. The most recent school shooting in Australia was at Modbury High School in Adelaide on May 7, 2012, which resulted in no deaths and no injuries. Australia instituted strict gun control laws after a 1996 mass shooting (but not a school shooting) in which a gunman walked into a cafe in Port Arthur, Tasmania, and murdered 35 people and wounded another 23.
@@RaelThomas does a person have any use for a car when they can ride a bicycle or take a bus? Does a casual gamer need an RTX 3090Ti? Does a person that has less-than-perfect vision without glasses need glasses? The “nobody needs an assault rifle” is retarded and I’m tired of hearing it.
Have been meaning to ask for this one for ages. Glad you got to cover it. Keep up the great work mate
One could also argue that considering guns a fundamental right is nuts.
As an Australian, I just want to say that we haven’t had a shooting massacre since Port Arthur so tightening gun laws worked. I’m very proud of Australia’s gun laws.
Eh. There have been a number of mass shootings since Bryant. Like the one in Margaret River where the giuy shot his entire family...wife, daughter, grandkids....all of them.
@@jaclo3112 - Rose should have said that there has not been a mass shooting of people (4 deaths or more not including the perpetrator) in a public place. Family mass murders are put into a different category because the motivations are so different. However by that definition the Darwin Shootings of 2019 would classify as a mass shooting. However the motivation for those killing remain unknown and we probably won’t know more about it until the trial.
@@Zozette27 motives are irrelevant when it comes to classifying a shooting as mass shooting.
How many mass shootings were there before?
@@Zozette27 nice moving of the goal posts.
It was very interesting to hear Dr Grande’s ideas about gun restriction. We know Dr Grande knows a lot about guns. We heard all about his love of cars- but not yet about how he came to know so much about guns. This is another case I never heard of. The joke about the airplane was golden!🤠💕
Is that because America has so many mass shootings. They would hardly notice one in Aus. There were no more after this due to better gun control.
@@nikkimclay5474 How many people that were bullied, grow up to be a mass killer?
@@sherrylovegood rational minded people exist! We just aren’t heard over the sound of incessant gunfire •__•
@@frankpaya690 even if they’re not mass killers they’re traumatized and hurt, and they often go on to hurt other people. There’s no good reason.
@@mads597 If the majority of people that are bullied don't wind up murdering anybody, then "bullying" is not your common denominator, any more than guns are.
I'm from launceston in Tassie and he was at 2 places at once apparently but idk
Rights and freedoms can be conceptualized in ways other than that intended in the US Constitution. As an Australian, I have the right to not worry about getting shot on the street. I should be able to live free from gun violence. Those are my rights and freedoms.
Damn straight
Yes! -cries in American :(
Haven't had a single mass shooting with 10+ kills before or since.
Those freedoms didn't seem to be at risk until this specific case buddy.
@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 So I think you’re saying that the lack of shootings before and after made gun control unnecessary? Not necessarily. Firstly, the incident in Tasmania proved it could happen, therefore could happen again. Secondly one of the reasons for gun control was to prevent Australia going down the track toward what has happened in America. Thirdly, no shootings since could be a result of the gun controls.
Unfortunately, the Australian gun laws adopted after this haven't made you free from gun violence.
my own opinion, i feel the fewer guns around and available the safer we might be.
Yes, those damn guns have a mind of They're own.
@@frankpaya690 it’s literally statistically proven the fewer guns around the safer homes are, hun accidents can’t happen with no guns.
@@frankpaya690 No, but it does give mentally scarred people a power they shouldn't have
@@frankpaya690 guns don't kill people, people who says "guns don't kill people" kill people.
@@frankpaya690 right? None of my guns have left my safe and gone to shoot people I’m lucky that way.
Dr Grande, this is the case that finished gun ownership in Australia 🇦🇺. The government brought back all guns for $1000 no questions. Then introduced strict pre purchasing gun rules. You must also have no mental health history. Thank you for the cool analysis 🧐.
@Randy Savage's Coke Stash if you don’t live here in Australia you don’t need to worry about our gun laws we are all quiet happy here with the laws.
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door As an Australian firearm owner here we are far from happy with the gun laws and continuous regulation creep on them.
They are flawed regulations, john edwards abuse of the system, weapon apperance laws and treatment of outback farming required pistol owners are but a few of the examples we are currently dealing with.
Finished gun ownership in australia? Huh? There are more guns owned in australia then there was at the buy back in 1996.
@Randy Savage's Coke Stash an interesting view, but australia has had no mass shootings since that day. well worth the trade off, most australians believe. Just think, we could have had regular school and shoppping centre shootings like the usa, had the decision not been made.
@@balthazzaarmontague8036 we have had several mass shootings since port arthur, Darwin mass shooting, osmongton family massacre, hunt family murders, monis hostage crisis at martin place. hunter valley massacre, hells angels shoot-out in Adelaide. Etc.
And that's just with guns. That's not including the mass murders by arson or knives etc.
I just found this channel through CZcams recommending a video and I am so happy I found it. The analysis about this subjects as well as the dry humour in the Dhar Man video is just 👌
Looking forward to catching up on the rest of the videos and future content.
Great episode. Thank you.
Where did you get your data on the homicide rate and why didn’t you mention the reduction in gun homicides since the restrictions, not to mention gun suicides which are more likely to be successful when a gun is used. You didn’t mention the fact that in the lead up to Port Arthur Australia had multiple mass shootings yet after the gun restrictions we have had zero. I find it ridiculous that you would argue about rights vs removing from people who do the wrong thing when your country records a horrific amount of mass shootings still and many are perpetrated by young people against young people. Sandy hook should have been usa’s wake up call. It should also be noted that people can still own guns here, there is just stricter mandates around who can access (criminals, people who have an avo against them and some instances of mental illness are not permitted a license). The restrictions also relate to the type of weapons that can be owned…. Who needs a semi automatic assault rifle if not at war? And stricter rules enforced around storage which would have likely prevented your recent shooting perpetrated by the boy Crumbly. 85 percent agreed with the laws, including gun lovers because we are not numbed by the frequency of mass shootings or the trauma experienced by all involved.
It's the number of homicides in total he was referring to, not gun deaths specifically. After all, how does lower gun deaths help if overall no lives are saved?
Agree 💯 with original comment.
YES! THIS! Its sheer insanity, I was so disappointed with his take on this.
@@eadweard. Thats my point. Referring to a lowering homicide rate without actually singling out the gun homicides seems to be a big oversight. And Im not sure you watched the video or completely understood it when you say "how does lower gun deaths help if overall no lives are saved?"
The issue is infinitely more complex than your pedestrian opinion of “nobody needs guns so they should be banned”. The average joe moral grandstanding over an issue they barely understand is a very tired trope
At the time of the massacre I was at Sizzlers celebrating a neighbour’s birthday. Soon after getting home I heard helicopter after helicopter overhead. Realising that something bad must have happened I turned on the radio and heard the news about what had happened. First reports said 7 had been killed but all through the afternoon and into the next day the death toll rose.
I had briefly met one of the victims. He had come to Tasmania to do family research and I had helped him locate some sources at the Tasmanian archives.
One of my neighbours had gone to school (New Town Primary) with the killer and said he was a bit odd.
No massacre, only false flag, fake as.
@@leonmacri2910 What gives you that idea?
@@mdaddy775 Research proved 100% false flag, lie.
Thank you for making this one!
Great analysis, informative! Thanks you!
Not defending him but how could a mum call her own child annoying? Things were never going to turn out well we're they?
Because when trying to get your kid help therapists ask things like that....not like she was saying it to him, it's on the mental health records as how everyone, her included, described his behaviour and those were released after this mass shooting.
I always think of the person who is delegated with that kind of disposal! Who is the one who will do the deed? This is a human being after all even if a poor one!
Ever tried to be a parent to an intellectually disabled psychopath?
She called him annoying because he was ..what bothers me is her not taking it more serious than it was ..she had to have known there was something very wrong with him
@@meebrbey True, I wonder: did they never try to get help by letting treat his obvious problems? Had he been in therapy as a child, his life could have been different. And the lives of the many victims.
Just look at school shootings in the US vs anywhere else.
Also, I think a fundamental right of all is the right to exist without being shot. The right to go to school without being shot, the right to go to a movie without being shot, the right to protest without being shot, etc etc. So, while yes, a “fundamental right (however misinterpreted or misguided) in the US is the right to bear arms, it shouldn’t interfere with someone else’s fundamental right of life.
Well tighter restrictions in Australia did not reduce the number of homicides overall so no lives were saved.
@@eadweard. for sure.
@@eadweard. Wrong! Compare Australia vs USA mass shootings since 1990. 😑
@@juliebraden4865 Why? We've already compared Australia before and after the restrictions and they didn't affect the homicide rate.
@@eadweard. that is a totally disingenuous comparison. While it cannot be definitely said it impacted the regular homicide rate, it could be argued that it impacted the mass homicide rate. Looking at the rate of mass shootings in the US and elsewhere in the world, it has gone up steadily over the last few decades. The difference is Australia had one serious event, took action, and rarely sees these types of events now. Whereas we know what happens in America.
Very nice and thought inspiring analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande.
Excellent as usual . Very concise , thank you Dr G ! 😎
I don't quite understand the extra 1,652 years of prison, beyond the 35 life sentences without parole. Is that supposed to be some sort of realistic sentence, or just a ridiculous form of theater? Do they think he might be capable of slowing down his aging process, so the extra 1,652 years are there in case he succeeds? Is it supposed to be funny... maybe a form of sarcasm? And why stop at 1,652 years? Why not just round-up to an even 2,000... or a million years, for that matter? So many questions.
1652 bulletts to his body by different individuals including family members of the people he mowed down would be more appropriate and realistic.
Why not just give life in prison with no possibility of release? Giving 1600 years seems a little ridiculous!!
IQ 66 wow lower than police force!!!!
Official narrative
"Within fifteen seconds, he had fired seventeen shots, killing twelve people and wounding ten. Bryant then walked to the other side of the shop and fired twelve more times, killing another eight people while wounding two"
Yeah right
Had never heard of this case. Very interesting as always!
What happened to the cats ? The cats should have inherited the money.
Their should have been some intervention over the cats and the rest of the shit should never have happened.
Cats are little people and anyone who is mean to cats should receive the death penalty.
indisputable
Why is a gun a fundamental right ?
Thank you for finally covering this case!!
It is insane to hear your point of view of guns in Australia, I am Australian and essentially everyone I know is quite happy we aren't like America and view guns in the way you do
so you have a very small insular group that all share your ignorance
australia should have more guns... ask most farmers and those in country
Look at what he sead about homosides comparing all homicides to just guns without looking at what was used like and just the world gun next to fundermental right like so gun fundamental right healthcare nah you don't need that just shoot your self if the deat backups you
@@rosevidler1663 if some one want to kill some one else or them selves there are plenty of other options.... kitchen knife, base ball bat. rope their car. want to ban all that aswell
@@izaacbanks3337 what's more easy stabbing soneone or shooting them across a room with a gun that sprays 100 shots a minute