Isolated and accumulation points

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • This video uses R to explain the difference between isolated and accumulation points, and then does a short argument to convince the viewer that N is a set of isolated points.

Komentáře • 39

  • @AZhazardgaming
    @AZhazardgaming Před 5 lety +20

    Haven't even finished the video yet, but I have learned more so far than the past 8 weeks in my Analysis class. As a college student, I say thank you and greatly appreciate the video!!!!

  • @jangronwald40
    @jangronwald40 Před 3 lety

    As far as I understand, the given definition of the accumulation point, as a point such that set X\x still has other elements, is incorrect. The definition I came across (in a book on set theory by Ralf Schindler) is: x is X's accumulation point iff for every a

  • @mingliu1940
    @mingliu1940 Před 4 lety +1

    How could you construct a set like (n-1/2, n+1/2), and still call it an open subset of N?

  • @poom279
    @poom279 Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you very much! Really had trouble grasping accumulation points!

  • @geoffreywood2770
    @geoffreywood2770 Před 5 lety +1

    My question is that you have to expand the set of Natural numbers to include the Real numbers in order for you to define an open set containing n element of N that contains no other N. Is this justified?

  • @dwightd3659
    @dwightd3659 Před 4 lety

    Let's extend this idea then!
    Does it follow that, if a set S has an isolated point and equipped with the appropriate topology, then S is Hausdorff??

  • @malikialgeriankabyleswag4200

    This makes no sense.. Say the open interval is I, then if x is isolated we should find that I(intersect)S={a} but your I:=(2,3) doesnt contain a=1.. So wtf.. Does the open interval have to be in S??

    • @xoppa09
      @xoppa09 Před rokem

      no, the open interval does not have to be contained in S

  • @abelmedina-aispuro3716
    @abelmedina-aispuro3716 Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you sir. Its beginning to make sense

  • @vedavarma5358
    @vedavarma5358 Před 6 lety +1

    Hi, What if I take an interval [0,1) U (1,2]. 1 is clearly not isolated. But is 1 an accumulation point. Beaches in the below comment you mentioned that every point has to be either isolated or accumulation point. But I don't think 1 is accumulation point.

    • @vedavarma5358
      @vedavarma5358 Před 6 lety +1

      Got that...every point in the set is either isolated or accumulation point. 1 is not a part of the set. Sorry. My bad...

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 6 lety +1

      Yes, you caught it! Also, I believe 1 would be considered closure point, and also a boundary point that is not included in the set. I should go back and extend this play list. Thank you for bringing my attention back to it! And good catch on your own comment!!!

  • @chunkylover5367
    @chunkylover5367 Před 7 lety +1

    Also, for your example of isolated points, in set notation, how would you write that set?

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 7 lety

      striderpsv I would just write it as \doubleN. Actually I watched the video and the number line I drew made it look like I was talking about integers, \doubleZ. If you had to use set notation you would say {1,2,3,...} for naturals.

  • @inducedbycoffee
    @inducedbycoffee Před 7 lety +2

    So every point in a set S is either an isolation point or an accumulation point right? Or is that incorrect to say?

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 7 lety +1

      Ibrahim Chalhoub Good one. My instinct is to say yes. My reasoning being that if you are an accumulation/limit point then there should be a point with a nonzero minimal distance from you. Any radius smaller than that minimal distance would witness your isolation.
      There are some weird pathological examples sometimes though! Especially in weird topologies that are not R.
      I think you are right but I will think on it a little bit more, just in case!

    • @inducedbycoffee
      @inducedbycoffee Před 7 lety

      Great. One question: I know that if x is an isolation point, then x is a boundary point... but how would I go about proving that?

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 7 lety

      Ibrahim Chalhoub If x is isolated, then take a nbhd of x that intersects your set at only x. Then to show that x is a boundary point, let U be any nbhd of that point x. You would need to show that this nbhd U intersects both your set, and the complement of your set. It is pretty clear that the intersection with the set is nonempty (x is in there) and using the radius of the nbhd that witnessed isolation you can find a point that is in U but is not in your set!

    • @inducedbycoffee
      @inducedbycoffee Před 7 lety

      Joshua Helston do you mind if I start an email conversation with you on the topic of topology?

    • @inducedbycoffee
      @inducedbycoffee Před 7 lety

      Joshua Helston and thank you for the reply!

  • @chunkylover5367
    @chunkylover5367 Před 7 lety +1

    Thank you for the video! This really clears things up a lot for me. I'm having a hard time with the terminology for closed, open, not closed, not open, and neither. Do you have any information on that?

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 7 lety

      striderpsv haha, and clopen, right? The sets that are simultaneously open and closed? I have a video in the playlist for closed somewhere, I will see if I can find it and link it here.

    • @joshuahelston5379
      @joshuahelston5379  Před 7 lety

      Maybe try this, it is really short, but gives an example of all four cases again in R (so really just intervals). If you have something more specific just let me know! czcams.com/video/97vXMfhtWd0/video.html

  • @thomass7647
    @thomass7647 Před 7 lety +2

    Awesome explanation!! Thank you

  • @sumittete2804
    @sumittete2804 Před 2 lety

    Sir...what are the limit points of the set {cosn: n is any natural number}?

    • @xoppa09
      @xoppa09 Před rokem

      the limit points of {cosn: n is any natural number} is [-1, 1].

  • @matamuverner
    @matamuverner Před 2 lety +1

    thanks a lot , just the volume , its very low

  • @2ksy462
    @2ksy462 Před 4 lety

    Awesome Explanation!

  • @devanarayanababu1996
    @devanarayanababu1996 Před 2 lety

    consise and helpful, thank you

  • @danakapoostinsky8337
    @danakapoostinsky8337 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks. This was helpful.

  • @rameshbhaisoni7572
    @rameshbhaisoni7572 Před 3 lety

    Nice explanation

  • @435iak
    @435iak Před 4 lety

    This was helpful, thank you!

  • @manueljenkin95
    @manueljenkin95 Před 3 lety

    Thank you.

  • @zelalyorulmaz9165
    @zelalyorulmaz9165 Před 3 lety

    Now I am try to understand this. It's hard because of my English level is B1 or less :')

  • @kagayakuangel5828
    @kagayakuangel5828 Před 4 lety

    Wow.....that's IT?!???!?!?!??!