J Krishnamurti Osho and U G Krishnamurti
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- In this video, I aim to unite three exceptional philosophers of their time: J Krishnamurti, Osho, and U G Krishnamurti. Despite their unique perspectives, I seek to highlight the remarkable similarities in their ideas. While some may hold differing opinions, the truth remains that these great minds share profound commonalities. Join me on this exploration as we delve into their philosophies and uncover the threads that connect them, fostering a deeper understanding of their profound wisdom.
Osho - dismantle my old beliefs
Jiddu Krishnamurti - made me unbiased and tell me how to learn
Ug Krishnamurti - Called a spade a spade" and blew away my stories
I want to thank everyone in this journey ❤️🙏🏻
The one who makes your life happier is the best..
great video might ......i love it........three indian gems of 20 century .......all of them against each other ......but all r mystics ........thanks for sharing with us
All of them are truly great. I Iearned from these three and never compared who is better. Despite their Critisim with each other. The lesson I got from them that at the end you have to follow your own path.
Osho is begining, J krishnamurti is the centre and UG is the end after that there is nothing to seek.
Rajneesh osho , j. Krishnamurti , acharya prashant
Let me get this straight, then. Osho thought Jiddu was nifty but misrepresented UG. UG thought Jiddu was deluded. I don't know what UG thought of Osho. Osho is reviled by some but man, can he hold a steady gaze.
My conclusion from the foregoing? I haven't a clue whether any of these characters are worth listening to. Osho has said that Jiddu never brought a single person to enlightenment. And I should pay heed to such a failure?
It has occurred to me that maybe they're ALL partially wrong.
The meaning of life is feeling joy and that applies to all of us Earthian beings, animals and humans equally much. Our human responsibility is to be protective of all life on Earth, of all the animals and forests, of Earth itself. Living responsibly, being altruistic, truly loving Is the meaning of life. Living to end all suffering.
Osho is great like krishnamurty🙏🙏
Even better
Lol! UGK was probably spinning in his grave the day you put this together- having him up there with JK and Osho! I skipped over the Osho parts myself, because I dislike him. On the other hand, JK and UGK were both good in my book... Thanks for posting!
ug was not a model teacher like the other 2, but at least he wasn't head of a sect community involved in bioterror.
Both OSHO and UG Krishnamurti have made derogatory statements against each other... both have belittled and disrespected each other .. Their ideologies were similar in nature however a mutual respect was missing.. They were self pompous at times, and never wanted to get rid of their perpetual supremacy...hence they missed the essence and narrowed themselves to mere entertaining masters of theology.. OSHO for example was a great orator, extremely logical, he may have two utterly contradicting discourses on the same subject yet both would sound rational... He was full of knowledge and could well hypnotize you from his verbal abilities… But having said that, their intelligent discourses somehow fails to bestow a feeling of concisions and joyful contact with God.... On the other hand if I read Kabir or bhakti geets of Meera or teachings of Buddha n Ramkrishna Paramhansa .. They take me to a realm of exuberance, blissfulness...
But that’s my experience ..would love to hear ur experience as well…
@petrocalypsenow you don't get it. ugk, osho and jk are all awakened and loved each other more than you can ever imagine. otherwise, they would never talk about each other. unless you are awake you will never understand their language.
Having said that, it seems to me a stretch to try and link U. G. and Osho. U. G. was very adamant in his opinion of Osho, basically reiterating over and over that Osho was the biggest pimp in India. As for Osho's opinion of U. G., the most I have garnered are a few quotes from the book "The Zen Manifesto", most of which (it seems to me) misrepresent U. G.
On that note I'll mention that U. G.'s representation of Ramana Maharshi seems (to me) very much incosistent with other records.
Krishnamurti = god man
Rajneesh = con man
UG = natural man
true
If you hate Osho, that’s what he wanted. Love him or hate him but do not ignore him.
UG is liberation and beyond.
+Mikel Guillen UG would say there is nothing to liberate yourself from and there is no beyond.
He would say many things incl that.
The realization that there is nothing to be liberated from is the ultimate liberation, and the state of no beyond is beyond all the beyonds.
I agree it was difficult at times to understand Jiddu, but once I listened intently, even I got it and I am certainly no intellect.
Oh may....how different we all perceive this reality, amazing! Even so called "GURUS" orspiritual teacher can't aree on what the purpose of our earthy sojourn is supposed to teach us as a soul!
To follow one's own inner knowing is the way to get the answers we individually are looking for I feel.
I agree with J. & U.G. Krisnamurti essentially in all :-))
...The overarching picture I get of Osho, however, is of a man who had a beautiful vision and was working with many people to create a more beautiful world.
I am aware of the allegations of drug and sexual abuse associated with Osho, not to mention accusations of an authoritarian type of governance inside his communes. Nevertheless, to me they remain only accusations, as I have no means of verifying them. Thus, as with U. G., I judge the man solely on what I take from his words and videos.
UGK freed me.
this video is amazing. may i know the background music album name
@petrocalypsenow .. i don't know where does shiva come in the picture here. UG was dismissing osho and jk and likewise osho dismissing jk and ug. jk dismissing osho. all are doing this out of compassion to us. they all are telling us not to go after any guru's and stand alone. a true guru is one who gets rid of you from himself. otherwise, all are awakened and had nothing against each other. you have to see ug cannot dislike osho/jk. it is not possible. to dislike you have to like. :)
If you really are Robert Carr, I will defer to your opinion regarding U. G., as you actually knew him and I know of him only through the books and videos available online. Through U. G. makes some statements that create a relatively liberating feeling inside of me, the overarching picture I get of him is of a frustrated-idealist-turned-nihilist.
As for Osho, I know him also only through books and videos. He too makes statements that produce a relatively liberating feeling inside of me...
Osho: "People used to miss Sri Ramana because he was silent; he would not say much. Just the other day I mentioned U.G. Krishnamurti. When he saw Ramana Maharshi reading joke books nad looking at cartoons, he was very much frustrated. Not only that: a man asked a question about God and U.G. Krishnamurti was present there -- very seriously, bowing at his feet, a man asked about God. And what did Sri Ramana do? do you know? He gave him a joke book and said, "Read it!"
Naturally, U. G. Krishnamurti was very much offended. Is this a way? This seems to be disrespectful to the man who has asked such a serious question -- to give him a joke book. This is again a kick in the pants, in its own way.
What he is saying is, "What nonsense are you talking about! God? It is not a thing to be talked about -- better read a joke book and have a good laugh.
"If you can laugh, maybe you can know God -- not by what I will say. But if you can laugh a hearty laugh, a belly-laugh, in that moment thinking stops."
Now, he has given a great message without saying a single word. Have you not watched it? When you laugh you are off mind. For a moment you are no more in the mind. Laughter takes you somewhere else. Where does it take you? It takes you to the same place where meditation takes you. So if you see a very serious and sad man and he claims that he is meditating, know well that he is not meditating. Meditation is always dancing. It is never serious, sad -- it is sincere, of course, but never sad. It is joyous, it is gay.
You must have heard the old proverb: "Laugh and the whole world laughs with you; weep and you weep alone." They have changed this proverb a little bit in the modern times. Now they say: "Laugh and the whole world laughs with you; weep and you sleep alone." But it is the same.
In the moment of laughter, suddenly you are one with the harmony of existence. Weep... you have fallen apart, you are no more part of it. In sadness, in seriousness, in despair, you are not in rhythm with existence. In laughing, in dancing, in singing, in loving, you are in rhythm with existence.
There is no evolution -- only rhythm or no rhythm. These are two states, and they are available right now. You can be in rhythm, you can be not in rhythm -- that is the freedom of man. Trees are continuously in rhythm, birds are continuously in rhythm. Man can choose. These are different manifestations. Because you can choose, you have chosen the wrong. And the wrong has an appeal -- because by choosing the wrong, you become important; by choosing the right, you disappear. And you have been taught from the very childhood to be important, to be the first in the world. You have been taught ambition, you have been poisoned to the very core. So always you want to be important.
Now, this U. G. Krishnamurti missed Sri Ramana -- and something great was happening. Almost like Buddha giving his flower to Mahakashyap, Sri Ramana giving a joke book to a man who is asking about God, or Ma Tzu giving a terrific kick in the pants. U. G. Krishnamurti missed Ramana. Then he missed J. Krishnamurti too. He lived for years with J. Krishnamurti.
Now, J. Krishnamurti is totally different in his expression, very logical, very rational. The beginning of his work is always with the mind; then slowly slowly he leads you beyond the mind, But there U. G. Krishnamurti thought it was all abstraction, philosophy. He stopped going there because "It is all abstraction." He left Sri Ramana because there was no philosophy. He left Krishnamurti because there was too much philosophy. In both the cases he missed.
And he lived with Sri Sivananda of Rishikesh for seven years doing yoga postures. There for seven years he thought, "Something is here." And there was nothing! Sivananda is a very ordinary teacher. You can find dozens of them all around this country teaching people how to stand on their heads, teaching people stupid things. There he remained for seven years, became a disciple.
Now, he missed two pinnacles... and this is what goes on happening. You have a mind, a certain mind. When you go to a master, you look from your mind. If it fits, you are happy; you start clinging. But that is not going to help -- because it fits, it will strengthen the same mind that you had brought with you. If by chance you come across a real master, nothing is going to fit. He is going to disrupt all your ideas about how a master should be; he is going to sabotage you. He is going to take all expectations. He is to frustrate you, he is to disappoint you in every possible way -- because that is the only way real work can start. And if you still can be with him, then... then you are going to be awakened.
Sleep is easy, cheap; awakening is arduous. You will have to renounce your dreams and you will have to re-nounce much comfort, much convenience. You will have to renounce many ideas that you have always thought very valuable."
so much talk about silence
there can be a silence in chaos too i guess ..
Angsuman Chatterjee where is this chaos you are talking about?
Steffan Max so much talk about “so much talk about silence”
Human beings like to delegate the responsibility of their beliefs to others, hence the existence of priesthood, gurus, masters, etc. we know what they mean we just don't have the inclination to feel responsible for consequences as individuals.
I can't understand how you guys see these people as seperate, and think they try to tell different things. I see no difference between them and i believe they all depend on life&human itself.
@mrreyes75 you don't get it. ugk, osho and jk are all awakened and loved each other more than you can ever imagine. otherwise, they would never talk about each other. unless you are awake you will never understand their language.
One thing is worth mentioning though, of all of them UG seems to be the only one of them to have denied convention and at the same time offering the same gibberish Jiddu and Osho talked about as if they pretended to propose development without providing new insights into age old traditions. Almost everyone is aware of the flaws in their social systems and almost everyone are too scared to lose the uncertainty they have I'm exchange for uncertainty they never experienced before..
Osho is the worst. He was a master at giving people hope that tomorrow they will attain, but always keeping them in that state of hope. He scammed millions from gullible people looking for a way out and even took advantage of them sexually. He was a heavy drug user and had incredibly grandiose ideas about himself, likening him being "poisoned by the US government" to Jesus being crucified.
Jiddu was just a guy that spoke beautifully, but had extramarital affairs, scammed people out of their money so that he could live like a king and before he died, he said he regretted not telling anyone under him to meditate, because he did not see anyone under him become enlightened. An enlightened man dying in regret? That would never happen to a truly enlightened man.
Jiddu must not have been paying attention when he said nobody who listened to him attained, because one of his listeners went beyond "enlightenment". That man was UG Krishnamurti. A man truly set on discovering truth for himself and by himself. A man that attained enlightenment, tossed it aside as a "petty little experience" and then entered into The Natural State. UG didn't tell people to pay him before he speaks. In fact, UG gave one of his followers $70,000 because the man was clearly destitute. Can you imagine Osho doing something like that? Hell no.
All these people looking for enlightenment, running to gurus that tell them what they want to hear, and little do they know the guy they rejected because of his "negativity" and "pessimism" was one of the few truly enlightened beings of this era.
Who the fuck tells the state of "enlightenment" to "fuck off" when he attains it? U.G. Krishnamurti. That's who.
***** What the hell are you talking about?
its your own comments you can give anything..but please read any books completely of osho. any book completely..then write a comment....
Arun dhanyavaad chennai I have read many of them starting back in 1997. He was the very first "enlightened guru" I came across. I stumbled upon an article called "Ego - The Fales Center" and for the first time in my life, somehing made real sense to me. Since then I couldn't get enough of his works. I read everything I could find on the internet, watched his videos and started buying as mnay of his books as I could.
I'm no stranger to this man.
Then what happen that insist yiu to write comment on he is worst...
jackcarterog001 i know i am that filthy bastard...
who is this U.G. Krishanamurti
to anyone with even a little bit underastanding is obvious that you cannot compare beings like J.krishnamurty with Osho or Eckart Tole or even his brother with a bad mouth and bad temper. Jiddo Krishnamurty and Poonjaji(Papaji) or Ramana Maharshi are like oceans compare to others who can be lakes and seas at the best. look for who doesn't have Ego thats the way one can recognize what is the source and goal behind their talks.
Just watch David Bohn dialogues with Jiddu and you can tell how full of shit J. Krishnamurti was, just another intellectual that thought to have knew nowledge that needed to be shared (old news) just like Osho, overly educated and mystifiers of their very understanding of that education. It is also valid to point out that people like Jidu and UG were trained from childhood to serve this purpose under a different light (more as ambassadors to a movement).
Osho: "That's why the Zen monk is the most ordinary man in the world. Chopping wood, carrying water from the well, and he says, "How marvellous! How wondrous!" He continues doing the small things of life. That is the beauty of it. But people start... people are looking for something extraordinary.
Just the other day I was reading a lecture of U. G. Krishnamurti. He says he went to see Ramana Maharshi. He was not attracted -- because he was chopping vegetables. Yes, Ramana Maharshi was that kind of man, very ordinary. Chopping vegetables! U. G. Krishnamurti must have gone to see somebody extraordinary sitting on a golden throne or something. Ramana Maharshi just sitting on the floor and chopping vegetables? preparing vegetables for the kitchen! He was very much frustrated.
Then another day he went and saw him reading jokes. Finished for ever! This man knows nothing. This man is very ordinary. He left the ashram; it was not worth it. But I would like to say to you: this man, Ramana Maharshi, is one of the greatest Buddhas ever born to the world. That was his Buddhahood in action!
U. G. Krishnamurti must have been in search of a pretender. He could not see the ordinariness and the beauty of it and the grace of it. And this same man, U. G. Krishnamurti, lived with Swami Sivanand of Rishikesh for seven years -- and that chap was just stupid -- and practised yoga with him. And after seven years he recognized that he has nothing; but after seven years, he took seven years. That simply shows that he also has a mighty dull mind. Seven years to see that Sivanand has nothing. Seven seconds are more than enough! And with Ramana Maharshi, seven seconds were enough -- because he saw him chopping vegetables or reading jokes, looking at cartoons. That's how the ordinary mind, the egoistic mind functions." Take It Easy vol1, chapter 5
you would had been there for 70 years.
i wouldnt dare to call UG ordinary .. i wouldnt call JK or ramana maharshi ordinary either..
Angsuman Chatterjee he said himself that he was just an ordinary man
Steffan Max yes he even said he is a dog barking .. i cannt say that u see..
Angsuman Chatterjee no enlightenment is not for you. You are not the source.. bye
There is No Comparison with osho..once you understand then only..oraly anybody can say anything without understanding....he is master..of course normal mind cannot accept it..because its cunning..
Why are you trying to link these together? Osho was a word smith, a intellectual, nothing new in what he said. UG, is another matter. not from the same cut of cloth. Why do we seem to need to think there is some way to follow another?
Robert Carr
Read the fifth testament.... and then serve your amuse to a strange friend....
plz share the link
Höre ich der Gurus Krempel klopfe ich mir auf die Schenkel.
pls let me know the background music name
I would also like to know
Darude - Sandstorm
Jiddu and Osho are the relevant ones worthy of putting one's attention. Their sayings in the form of books and speeches do inspire the conscious reader. They don't preach any principles to be followed. But if somebody picks up the so called teaching and start practicing it, they are not at fault. The third one UG is not worthy to be equated with the rest of the two.
U g spits the fire of destruction ruthlessly! If You think human beings can comprehend him U must be out of your fucking mind
there is nothing called an enlightened man.... there are dead speaker lost in god or life energy etc etc.... and the teachings whats coming out of there mouth is just a response of the demand and not from what goal they discovered but from the conditioning that the life has put in there head .... there is no teacher.... the language and response is just an happening from the conditioning that was there before the self of the individual collapesed...
I don't how you can put Osho with J.Krishnamurti and UG with this crook, a wordsmith is only repeating what others have said. Bob Carr.
help me bob
BOB... help me
Bob thank you
All three had theirs faults..and flaws...All were great in their own way..Osha had the best perspective on the other two and tried be objective and fair. JK was critical in his strange way... but UG only saw the flaws and none of the truth, creative zest for life or wisdom in the others..
U think you are in a position to judge them ?
@joshrain1 Lol! If you say so.... I'm certain UG would've cursed you out if you told him that he loved the "Sex Guru," but I'm speaking as one who is not "awakened." Lol!