In Conversation with David Frum: A law school's Gaza war controversy & Conservative poll numbers
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Leading author, journalist and thinker David Frum and The Hub's Editor-at-Large Sean Speer discuss controversies on university campus in general and Toronto Metropolitan University in particular in response to the Israel-Hamas war, and new polling that shows that Canada's federal Conservative Party with a strong lead over the Trudeau government as the Parliament breaks for the summer.
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"....in the North American context, this framewok is used, to put it bluntly, to shakedown taxpayers for money..."
Today's Canada, in a most succinct, brutally honest nutshell.
Exactly, absolutely 💯 % accurate 👌 👏
Canada is finito. You didn't realize that yet?
Ummmm…not agreed.
@@Theguys1 I envy your low standards.
This ideology isn't hostility to settlers and colonialism. They don't care about China doing that in Tibet and Xinjiang, for instance. The key thing to understand is that it's hostility _to white people specifically_ regardless of what whites do or don't do, did or haven't done. And this ideology (often explicitly) labels Israel and its Jewish population as white and the Arabs as non-white. That's why this framework can't be contained to Israel and its conflicts with its enemies; it's a serious danger to all whites, and thus to the peace, prosperity, & liberty of everyone in Western nations.
Bingo
Bingo? not so fast. back to history classes for you young sir. you could have, should have picked better examples than china/tibet/xinjiang.
Old Testament chock full of violence and explicit incitement of genocide
@@georgegraham472 Generally along the ' oppressed ' and ' oppressor ' lines..
Rubbish!! China claims Tibet as part of it, and Tibet people as Chinese citizens. Same with Xianjiang. If Israel gives Palestinians citizenship and they can all live as citizens of one country, then so be it. One state solution.
“So-called Canada”? Offensive. It is time to stop the “we acknowledge that we are … on the traditional lands of the ….”
My loyalist settler ancestors were on this continent in the 1600’s. Is this long enough?
The truly asinine part of this is that it assumes that before whites arrived all the local peoples were in peaceful Smurf villages, holding hands in circles and dancing all day. When in fact of course the "natives" engaged in thousands upon thousands of years of utterly merciless and brutal warfare among each other, enslaving, expelling, or exterminating each other without the slightest notion that those not in one's own group have any rights or deserve any decent treatment. Whites are being judged by standards INVENTED AND TAUGHT BY WHITES.
Yes.
No
My ancestors also arrived in the 1600's, and the traditional lands they are referring to were the lands of MANY different nations, Miq Maw ( sp ) Cree, Huron, Mohawk,...
These different nations frequently had conflicts that resulted in land swaps.
Just as when the European expansion began.
@@brianmacadam4793 Agreed!
David makes the SALIENT point, READ THE PRINT, READ THE FINE PRINT.
These students weren't children, they had met the requirements for entrance into a university, they have received a subsidized education and should be publically held to account.
David,as a legally traied journalist, you should avoid terms like EVERYTHING you like about Canada and ALL Canadian contributers to Canada are maligned by the anti- colonial movement. Your brilliance has been, and hope will continue to be, your cogint nuance.
WHAT???!!!!! Learn English, please. Fed up with your ilk.
Land acknowledgments are a shakedown - correct
I encourage anyone who participates in a land acknowledgment to give their house keys to the first indigenous person they see.
If you like things like technology and the rule of law and human rights, you can thank a settler for that - correct
Thank you very much.
Can you still protest against war in Canada or not?
Of course you can protest ! But your protest should be reasoned and responsible.
By responsible I mean you take responsibility for YOUR actions, as David says act without cowardice, put your real name onto your statements.
No one complains about reasoned responsible protest.
The ownership group who rhymes with frum works for only wear the mask of reason. Behind it are fangs. Which are now bare.
Apparently you don't watch the news. it's happening everywhere, and it isn't even a war Canada is involved in. A rather silly remark.
@@brianmacadam4793
*Some samples of LAST 20 years:*
Nigeria Boko Haram 350,000 dead
Sudan JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead
Yemen Houthis 233,000 dead
Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead
Syria 500,000 dead
South Sudan 400,000 dead
Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead
No protests for all these dead.
Thank you for this broadcast Mr Frum, once again a well spoken and thoughtful conversation in what is going on in Canada. Let's hope after our current post national government there's still a Canada.
A bit surprised to hear Frum advising the Conservatives to do policy work, apparently to make specific policy commitments in manifestos. He has said many times before that the party out of power should be vague and noncommittal on policy to maximize its options and to avoid unnecessarily alienating any voters. And that the challenger's sole task is to present itself as being a serious, competent, and credible government-in-waiting so that at election time, voters with any complaints at all about the party in power will be open if not inclined to the challenger
However, how do you develop the idea that an opposition party is competent if all what they do is shout against the government and hide under the carpet when the time comes to state what their views are? At this point, what is conservative about the Conservative party? We won't know until they take a stand.
@@jeanmorin3247 That advice is generically applicable to all parties out of power. I agree from a civics standpoint that detailed manifestos that are then rigorously enacted are aesthetically satisfying, but the advice was pragmatic politics, and not just of the electioneering variety. It was also about preserving freedom of action and priority shifts in the face of unexpected events while in power.
@@IrishCarney Like people in life, parties must have a distinct character, which comes from where they stand. With five parties in the House, they have to align from Left to Right and stand up clearly to be seen for what they are. Then the electorate can choose knowing that they will not shift about once elected. Shifters can too easily fall in dishonesty and populism. The politics of opportunism does not do well in the long run.
Everything you like about Canada was brought here by the settler colonialists?
Jews in Jewdea can only be DE colonizers.
notions we fathom as democratic were introduced when Europeans first experienced indigenous Americans. At that time Europeans referred to available Greek references for context. Contemporary democracy is an indigenous American construct
What's Davids position on the Canadians who supported the foreign terrorist organisation, the ANC, and its leader Nelson Mandela?
Canada never designated the ANC as a terror organization. Epic fail.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter!
Perhaps ask Frum why he came up with the term "Axis of Evil" as a description of the Middle East when it would surely describe the USA and Europe more accurately.
Of course his,dual loyalty got us into THAT war......and, here he goes again. Tut!
WELL SAID Sir, WELL SAID
The last thing we need is more lawyers. How about they do 5 years in apprentice plumber before they get their degree?
Neo Con Stooge
He’s Canada’s great embarrassment (.in spades).
The problem is not the decolonization and oppressor/oppressed paradigms per se. The problem is the use of those paradigms to analyze every single dimension of every single social and political question. If you are holding a hammer, then everything starts looking like nails. That was the issue with the Marxists during the Cold War, the national conservative populists today on the other side of the political spectrum, and, frankly, the neoconservative and liberal foreign policy hawks during the War on Terror. Anne Applebaum writes about this in a great short piece for the Atlantic ("Democracies Don’t Try to Make Everyone Agree").
Even worse is the transparent and aggressive inconsistency about how this paradigm is applied. It is applied like a blood libel upon the most decent and altruistic groups around (like Anglo-Celtic Canadians) while stubbornly denied to groups to whom it most definitely does belong (like the Han-chauvinist regime in Beijing, or the fanatically anti-Semitic and exterminationist Hamas terror gang ruling Gaza). Because the ideology is not actually anti-colonial or anti-oppresison; it is anti-WHITE. It sees Israel and Canada as "white" and hates them.
Jews in Jewdea can only be DE colonizers.
Rubbish
The paradigm itself is a problem too. But then their wildly overusing it is another whole level as well.
@@IrishCarney It makes sense in certain contexts and to a degree. If you reject it completely, then you put yourself in the position Frum does here when he says we should be “thankful” to settler colonials. I know where he is coming from, and I agree to an extent, but they unquestionably did some pretty bad things. We should recognize it and atone for it on a case-by-case basis. I don’t know why we can’t chew gum and walk at the same time. That’s my underlying point. The point about whether structural injustice exists though might just be a point of disagreement between center-left and -right though.
Is this the David Frum show? I'm looking for middle of the road Canadian political news outlet. I like David Frum, but you need more diversity.
From the river to the sea, One SHARED country, Safe and free, Justice, Peace, Equality.
you tell 'em. Because those people sure look ready to share a tiny country. Better yet, read the Hamas charter. That should disavow your pie-in-the-sky notion.
@@Harry-Storm Says the bot bot
@@seanomaille8157 When you can't respond to the argument, call the person making it a "bot.' I wish I had a dollar for every time some lame commenter called me a bot. I'd be rich. And you'd still be a lame commenter who can't argue back because the original argument was so weak and stupid.
@@Harry-Storm Your channel has no content. Pathetic.
The founding covenant of Hamas, shows they disagree with your comment.
In listing foreign terrorist organizations who fund raised in Canada you omitted the IRA which (I know this from personal experience) people to work in financial firms to put them in positions where they could raise and money launder funds to be remitted back to that organization in Northern Ireland.
David was speaking in the present tense though, is the IRA still a thing? I thought that conflict ended decades ago.
True although I'd say that the IRA et al used the USA more often as a source of funding & support. While support for Sikh terrorism for instance has very much been more of a Canadian problem
Idf currently biggest terrorist org on planet not even close
I wonder where the Irgun and Stern gang got their funding? Was the King David Hotel bombing an act of peaceful protest?
I wonder what Jordan Peterson’s maternal grandmother would say about this..
In the USA Frum is considered a reasonable pundit. That should tell you something.
The man responsible for the phrase.
"AXIS OF EVIL"for Bush to push for war!
And it worked
Why is he still relevant after one millions + dead ... NO weapons of mass destruction and he knew it.
So-called students should go into the Trades and learn to do something useful to society. In doing so, they will come into contact with actual people, and not ideologues.
How can one take seriously anyone who wrote speeches for George W. Bush?
Bush and team lied us into iraq war.
If you want to see something really, disgracefully stupid, watch his mother's interview with Thatcher.
27:12 what a disappointing question
What is this document signed that supports Hamas and terrorism? Is there a link?
I am astonished that DAVID FRUM diminishes the importance of "words".
As a writer I would think that David would hold the importance of words a little higher.
As with all Israeliars, everything is a double standard. Doublespoken..
D-L7 forever!
Frum lives in the US. He is right lwing. Why is he commenting on Cdn. Politics? Why is he commenting on politics at Metro University? You are giving him a platform that he uses to promote right wing Conservative policy. He is, for all reality, a right wing American who hasn’t achieved a good living as a pundit down there. Sooooo….parachute back to Canada. His mother would be appalled.
Why is holding a negative opinion of Israel's actions towards the Palestinians radical in any way? The answer is simple: it's what the establishment says when it can no longer defend the actions they support. They attack the other side as radical and dangerous. And as Frum noted: students and teachers wrote letters and asked the college to cancel his appearance, which they have every right to do, and then he appeared and that was it. Yet he paints it as far more dangerous and dodgy, pointing out how there was violence on American campuses. Except - it wasn't the students and teachers. It was a few outsiders operating outside the universities and it was frankly the authorities who violently ended the protests. So much fake drama and aspersions - all because they can't actually defend the fact that Israel after Oct 7 was going to drive the Palestinians out of the region. We know this by their words and actions. What's ironic of course is that they haven't ended Hamas (Hamas is negotiating peace with them). Have made Israel less safe. Have created a humanitarian disaster on their doorstep which their largest ally is now desperately trying to correct. And several countries have acknowledged the Palestinian state officially. Genius. But now the coup de grace, a war with Lebanon and Hezbollah as they try to make it a regional war and draw the US in to fight it for them. It's criminally incompetent strategy and leadership.
You are so right frum laughably linked iranand sandals Iraq together in a nonexistent axis of evil was actually an axis of stupidity frum Merle wolfowitz frum a spoiled noxious trust fund baby who understands nothing about policy
Because frum works for the ownership group
For a while there I thought it was a picture of a younger UN Secretary General 😂
ryerson was always an excuse for higher ed. changing name was merely an attempt at legitification...look at the results.
how come you don't say nothing about 7 decades of Israhell atrocities, hu?
Would you rather be 1) an Arab citizen of Israel, or 2) a Jew stuck in an Arab country? Israeli Arabs have full civil, political, economic, linguistic, cultural, and religious rights, and are freer than Arabs in Arab-ruled countries. As for the Arabs in the disputed territories, whining that they're not given Israeli citizenship is silly, because they don't WANT it; and would wail that they're being "colonized" if Israel were to grant such citizenship. Finally, your childish re-naming of Israel is childish. Being merely wrong would be an improvement.
@@IrishCarney you talking out of your ass boy!
Because he is a shallow dishonest morally vacuous person send him to Israel and let him face the results of the policies he supports America owes them nothing remember the uss liberty
@@IrishCarneyoh well. Izrul is finito
The old community of Jews that used to live in Gaza perished in Islamist riots of 1929, concurrent with dozens of other communities, the massacre in Hebron was documented, you can see the photos of that ISIS style massacre in archives of the NYT. Photos like the gut churning photos of the massacre of Oct. 7 only in black and white.
*In 1929 the massacres were committed mostly by mobs.
1929 is
19 years before the reinstitution of Israel,
38 years before Israel got into Gaza strip replacing Egypt,
37 years before the process of appropriating the title Palestinians by Arabs has even started.
so-called Canada, so called USA, so called Australia, so called Israel! so called Ukraine. OMG how offensive and cheap!
War criminal.
A term that has an actual meaning. And advocating that America finally take action after 12 years of Saddam defying binding UN resolutions, brazenly violating the terms of the peace agreement he begged for after he lost the war of aggression he started, and obstructing inspectors after having been caught already with an illegal secret nuclear program, is NOT IT. Nor is correctly asserting that despite their differences, Iran, Iraq and North Korea had cooperated. 100% of the deaths in Iraq can be laid on Saddam and other enemies of the US.
@@IrishCarneyBabies taken from their incubators and put on the cold floor. Fake WMDs. Get a clue. Try Scott Ritter
@IrishCarney try Scott Ritter for reality
@@gmw3083 The molester who cracked under the pressure from Bush-haters and changed his story for popularity?
@@IrishCarneyThe USA has couped, plotted, murdered and overthrown more governnents, destabalized more countries around the globe in its short little life, never for democracy, always for resources and you have the gaul to call out other countries fighting back against the real terrorists? Oh the irony!
Frume coined the phrase AXIS of EVIL for George W Bush.....REMEMBER THAT war?
So much rubbish! Palestinians have a right not to obey martial laws and fight to end the occupation of the West Bank (which is 15 times bigger than Gaza, so the tired ignorant like of “but Israel lift Gaza” is nonsense. It’s like I leave your bedroom but stay in the rest of your house, let alone imposing naval blockade. When Israel will not let them free (need permits to visit another Palestinian town, curfew hours and restrictions on gatherings ..etc) and confiscate their lands and water springs to hand it to settlers, nor it wants a one state for all (because of Zionist ideology), then it’s understandable that Pales will seek to levy a cost on Israel through violent means.
Go back to your bedroom!
I am a 78 year old Canadian woman who has always voted on policy over party. Having said that, I have always leaned left of centre. Pierre Poilievre is on a mission to tear Canada apart, (Trump-style all the way). Last night, in Quebec he referred to Liberals as radicals, (so now i am a RADICAL!) . He is gaslighting us, he referred to Canada in one of his slick ads as “unsafe”, and that infuriated me. He claims we are “broken and divided” , all the things he wants us to be so he can exploit the things he plants in people’s heads. Bad enough the world has to deal with Trump, now we have our very own version of him here. Please Mr. Frum, call Trudeau and give him some advice, STAT.
My older brother feels as you do. He is your age. Many Canadians feel that Canada’s productivity is tied to government policy. Our productivity is in the basement. If we are to realize prosperity,we must change some taxation issues the Liberals and NDP cannot entertain. Sweden had to become more productive as it suffered an exodus of business and talent when it embraced radical social policies in the 1970’s.Many of us see that we are headed there. We’d rather be like prosperous Sweden of today. Poilievre may sound like Trump to you but he sounds like Harper to me,and others. The sound of return to business friendly,employment friendly sensible policies. No need to be afraid.
But the Liberals ARE radical. They recklessly toy with and pander to an extremist ideology that demonizes Canada's founding, past, and present, grudgingly providing limited and conditional approval only to the extent Canada harshly rejects everything it ever was, assigns collective blood-libel guilt upon its majority population, and imposes a sweeping and utter transformation on every aspect of Canadian demographics, culture, law, custom, and practices. That's the definition of radicalism!
@@aliceh9186 Pollievre's rhetoric is certainly populist. For various reasons, the Conservative Party cannot be (or does not want to be) as racist and xenophobic. That's good. But his flirtations with the Freedom Convey and the anti-vaccine crowd are straight out of the Trumpian far right playbook. Carbon copy. The anti-woke stuff is also a carbon copy of DeSantis. He has been smart though to tone that down since winning the leadership and focus on economic populism. That's politically savvy, even if the Axe the Tax stuff is utter nonsense considering that his party has zero serious climate change policies, which is simply irresponsible in this day and age. Incidentally, although carbon pricing is distinct (but related) to business environment, Sweden has one of the oldest carbon taxes in the world, and it is to my understanding more ambitious than Canada's.
Deluded!!
You must be blinded by mainstream media.