Making A Wooden Box - Veneering the Lid
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- Making A Wooden Box - Veneering the Lid. Rob Cosman shows you how he prevents his large wooden box lids from cupping or warping, by veneering the lid. If you always wanted to make a wooden box then this video is a must see. Rob is a master in the art of making a wooden box and has perfected his lid making techniques. Now you can learn to veneer your wooden boxes lids just like Rob.
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Great book for a beginner . czcams.com/users/postUgkxD-QRFQz730FJEh4f9BYSf-nkIMIC9hL_ this book really starts from the beginning, as in it explains what basic tools are and how to use them. But when it gets to the art of creating joints and how and when to use them this book really starts to teach you something. At least that was my experience.
The way Rob Cosman talks you can really tell he’s a teacher who has a well of knowledge that he is eager to share. It’s really nice to see a passionate teacher such as this.
He's the Bob Ross of woodworking
I'm never tempted to fast-forward through any of your videos. Watching a master at work is always fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
The high density foam between the wood and top/bottom pressure plates is straight up genius. Gonna keep that in my back pocket. 😎
To glue a crack in wood, I apply the shop vac hose to the back of the crack and apply glue to the front. The vacuum will pull the glue through the crack. Franklin Glue Co. says a 3/8-24 bolt thread is the best glue trowel. I use one, especially for tambour, because there is minimal squeeze out.
Great ideas, thanks
'Not the prettiest piece of wood..." beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder ^_^
That is supposed to satisfy my question about veneering without having a professional press. Thank you, will treasure this!
Your band saw absolutely massive. I didn't even know they made band saws that big.
Never veneered, have never planned on veneering, yet here I am JUST BECAUSE it's taught by one of my favorite teachers and I know from history il learn about something I do want n ty rob cosman for your time and your sounding better!
Great teacher, no ego trip, learnt a lot. I will be back!
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Rob, I appreciate that you keep your blade guide down close to the wood on your band saw. I see lots of videos where the thing is all the way up and it seems so dangerous.
Rob I watch all your videos and I am never disappointed.
The stiff mat you used to make cauls can purchased a farm supply stores. Ask for stall matting. It is really perfect.
that's the first thing I thought of too! I have a Tractor supply just down the road....
Thank you for another great learning experience. For cutting veneers on my band saw I wax the table, the bandsaw blade and the rip fence. The process seems to go smoother. When you are concerned about that glue fill repair in your veneer sticking to the foam wax the foam so the glue does not stick to it. I like it better than tape. I have not used MDF. but I will give it a try as a substrate. There were other neat bits of info buried in this video. Thank you again.
The scrub plane is a handy tool I'm finding. The jointer should have U.S.S. FLATWOOD painted on the side, maybe even paint it grey and have some model planes on the deck when not in use!
Rob,you keep encouraging me .If You make a mistake you show how to fix it.Thank you so very much
Its all about fixing your mistakes
I love it when sustainability and superior quality go hand in hand. 😎
I totally agree
My woodworking has improved intensely since I've been watching robs videos . Great video
Thanks for watching
For the tape trick, fold the last 1/2" over on itself to give you a "Tail" to grab hold off. This makes it easier to pull the tape off afterwards.
With all the pressure do you think that extra layer could create a depression in the veneer?
Wow, Rob Cosman using MDF. I never would have guessed it.
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I'm a combat disabled marine vet who loves the channel. Been trying to get back into wood working after some really difficult past few years. Just wanted to say thank you for the great videos and all that you guys do there.
Hat is off to you Mike! We consider working with the Vets both an honor and a privilege.
43:25 "Hand plane is just as fast..."
Yeah, and infinitely more satisfying.
I got a lot out of this video, gluing and clamping especially useful right now. Thank you for the tape idea.
Thnak you for watching and commenting
As always another great video. Thanks Rob
Very good mechanic Rob... very good torque sequence with all the clamps!
Great lesson~! Now I need to put my Laguna bandsaw to the task and try this myself. Looks like it's going to be boxes for Christmas gifts this year.
Thanks Rob~!!
I think having a Canadian champion of the Bassmaster's Classic is a very good statement on Canadian fishing greats.
Watched this whole video start to finish, it's a great one. Just the right amount of editing to keep the pace up/keep viewers interested Luther (if you're the one editing). Oh, and nice woodworking skills too, Rob :)
I think we could have trimmed a bit more at the end...maybe I could have gotten another 6 minutes...Started out at 1 hour and 17 min!!!!!!
Hockey stick grip on the clamps is my favorite part, definitely canadian😉
Great video, learned a lot!
Inspiring as ever keep it up Rob and Co.
With all the adjustments you made to tune the veneered top, it seems like making the top first might be the easiest way to build a bigger box. (Although making the top with thicker banding could make box first work.) Really enjoy the reality in your videos. Thanks.
Great video and beautifully explained. Thanks for sharing. Now, I'm looking for an old bowling alley to purchase. Lol
again, perfect timing for me. i just got a piece of birdseye that i have been trying to decide what to do with. i knew veneering was an option but have never had it laid out like this before. thanks again for sharing what you have learned from your teachers with us.
Thank you for watching and commenting
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
Well said...thanks
Another great video!!!! Looks like a Luther!!!!
Most informative
42:45 : Your tapping on the veneer to detect voids is exactly what aerospace firms do to detect voids in honeycomb sandwiched carbon fiber panels--but with fancier tools than fingers!
I have 2 old hand planes that belonged to some deceased family members. I always wondered how they were supposed to be used, and what they were for. The ones I have are in very bad shape so I doubt that they are salvageable. Thanks for the video It is nice learning something new.
Perfect timing. I recently purchased some large pieces of black walnut with incredible grain patterns for box lids....now my lids will remain flat and I will get more lids out of each piece.
Rob, Thank you so much for sharing. Would you please do a presentation on your table and clamping system?
Finally Rob is using the masking tape method, love it!
Yea I really like it. Cant beleive I waited so long
@@RobCosmanWoodworking The team you've put together is awesome and I dream of working in a shop like yours. Your craftmanship and knowledge is unparalleled, thank you so much for the years of inspiration!
Good technique for warped board "fix" as follows using a power planer, take a piece of 1/2 plywood just larger than the board that's warped. Place the warped board on top of the plywood, put wedges under gaps and a stopper on one end of the warped board to keep it secure so it won't slide going into your planer. screwed down stopper at least 1/2" below the lowest part of the warped board so it can pass under the surface planer. Put painters tape under any big gaps and use hot glue to fill the gap/voids and secure the plywood to the warped board. Now run the warped board through your planer until you have the top side of the warped board nice and flat. Now you can flush cut the other warped side on band saw, or run it through the planer also. As long as the board is narrow enough to fit through your planer it will work great.
Very nice careful work, better than I would do by a factor of 2 or 3 at least. Kudos.
EXCELLENT VIDEO. I doubt that the time & effort to do this lamination could be recovered in the end price unless your boxes are extremely expensive! All the same an interesting process. If the wood lids shrink I would have thought it was due to the wood not being dry enough for the purpose. A bit longer on the shelf perhaps???
One concern; the gluing application with a trowel looks a bit hit & miss... aka Uneven. I would suggest a foam or rubber roller for spreading out & levelling the glue before the next step. 🙂
I look forward to trying this technique on my next box. I have a nice piece of birdseye Maple and now know how to get the most of it. Thanks for the video Rob and team.
Sounds good. BE maple looks great veneered
Was that 1/2 Mdf? I missed that.
Never thought of it before, but a bolt head on the F-Clamp handles could really help with the tightening, you could even use a torque wrench to make all the same.
Loved this video. Surprisingly, I have all of the tools you used tonight, so I should be able to do it. Mattress Doug
Hey Doug, good to hear from you. Hope business is back and growing! Next year is getting close, keep your fingers crossed.
Hi Rob, I took your advice and bought a tagi tape (the red one) just got it yesterday. I had to buy the metric one as we use millimetres over here. It looks a lot smaller than the one you are using but it's still a great tape, very accurate so thanks for that Rob
Hope it works for you. Yes they have lots of sizes
Thank you
You're welcome
finish walnut with alkanet root dyed linseed oil...looks beautiful
Great video!
After cleaning the crud off the foam rectangles to achieve even pressure, you then use masking tape to hold down the edges before clamping with the cauls/foam. Wouldn't that cause uneven pressure too? Or is it just too miniscule to worry about?
Love your videos Rob! Thanks a million!
Sure wish I had a bandsaw to cut my own veneer. Nice technique!
Absolutely amazing bandsaw, wish I could find one like it.
I think old woodworking machines are always superior
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Can you recommend a good place to buy older machines of quality?
6:05 I can't stop laughing at how far you have to reach over on that mammoth jointer!
When gluing the crack to stabilize it you could have used a vacuum on the back side to suck all the glue through the wood and deep into the crack to really stabilize it
Just found yr channel, have subscribed & liked.. Stay safe everyone 😷 Gazza
I made a lid out of solid book matched spalted beech- looked great for about 1 month- then turned into a potato chip as soon as summer hit..... Will try this method next time maybe!
Rob, soon it will be getting very cold where I’m at, and I’ll have to transition to my basement for the first time for winter woodworking. What shop tools should I be building now to take with me (was thinking of trying to build a better shooting board and bench hook). I’ll be down to hand tools only once it gets too cold outside.
Perhaps this would be a good topic for another video? How to prep for a tiny indoor winter wood shop? Tools, shop made tools, finishing supplies. Maybe even simple projects to continue doing during the winter to practice increasing skill, perhaps making boxes or gifts for family/friends.
Workbench #1, workbench appliance #2, stuff to keep your tool sin (tool box or cabinet) wood storage
I saw the prep of some Limited Edition saw handles! Oh - sorry, got distracted. I have done some veneering, and some inlay. I'm still watching... He's just trimming on the sled...
This is great! I have been making your style of wood hinge box getting ready for Christmas and am concerning about cupping on the lid as I make the box bigger. Couple questions, Rob, how thin the lid can you use? I used a 5" x 6" x 1/4" on one box and it sings when closing because it's rubbing a little on one side, compare to couple others that I made with 3/8 thick lid, it doesn't have that problem. Is there a way to eliminate that? Thanks
I liked the step by step walk through. I'd have liked to see a splitter on that table saw, though.
Rob you're remarkable. I'm 65 years old and have always enjoyed woodworking. I'd like to develop my skills if it's not too late. Your thoughts?
Hey Rob, I use tape like you are doing a lot. Buy a table top dispenser for your masking tape! Much easier, quicker, one handed operation.
A book binders press would be ideal for veneering the lids.
Thanks for the lesson Rob. I don’t have a big bandsaw but I’d like to try making my own veneer. Have you ever tried hand cutting veneer? I’m guessing that’s how it was done pre-power tools.
I can also see why a vacuum press would be a great idea if you were doing this regularly though.
I second this question. I don't have a band saw that large either. How would you do this in any other way?
There's no substitute for a sharp blade. Well done.
1. Is there a reason for not using mitred corners or is just a matter of "I do it that way because I do that way." Which is fine too.
2. Would flattening the veneer by tapping it down to the bench and then using the No.7 on it do the trick? Rather than having to find foam and such for the clamp-up.
On these boxes you cannot see the end grain with the lid closed so I dont go through the longer process of fitting miters. Planing such thin stock is very difficult. Too hard for my taste
Those hairline cracks in walnut are so common. It just adds to the fact that it's a rare hardwood, expensive, sought after, and then once you get a good board, you often need to check it. Still, a great wood to work with. Also, 11 clamps for that small lamination, it's not going anywhere ;)
I've never used cambered cauls, but after the number of clamps needed + the 1" MDF, would that provide any easier/quicker clamping and still achieve the even pressure? I only started looking for 1" when starting the bench but haven't found it in Oklahoma. I initially thought you would not need as many clamps as you ended up using.
You mention a vacuum press. I also have never used one of those, but will you be trying it in the upcoming videos for Christmas presents?
That is a monster
That was so elongated to the point of COMA.
Rob,
What was the reason for using white glue to adhere the veneers instead of rubber cement?
Thanks for another great video.
A good job, and well presented! Do you use scrapers much for smoothing veneered surfaces?
If I need to, but I do not often need to. I can do all with a sharp plane blade
Late to the game but I believe gym flooring may be very similar to the material you were looking for. It's kind of expensive, but should be fairly similar and cleaner than horse stall mats.
Cutting the lid off, I discovered that if you don't cut all the way through works best and then use a hand saw to separate the lid.
Would you recommend box made of veneered MDF suitable for a humidor?
Hey rob could you make a cutting board that way if you used thicker veneers
Same here. What thickness though is ideal for the veneer?
Rob, I love your videos and really appreciate the things I've learned from them.
Your tiny, half-empty glue bottle was driving me nuts though 😂
Your use of a veneers ties into a question that I've been meaning to ask you. I haven't seen you use a surface or drum sander before and wonder if prepping veneers would be a good use for one.
It’s actually something we’ve been debating in the shop. Would be nice for thicknessing small pieces...
Hey Rob,
Nice outcome.
In BC, we have aguy that recycles old car tires and makes mudflaps and pick-up box liners. It is quite dense but it is pliable and does conform to surfaces. I was wondering if that would be suitable as a cushion for your irregular glue-ups. let me know if you need contact info should you want to explore that option.
What are your thoughts about using CA glue to fix that problem corner? Inside and outside. Thin CA glue so it runs into the crack.
Have you used a sprinkle of table salt on the glued surface to keep the veneer from sliding around? Works very well. I’ve used it to laminate 4 layers of 1/4” mahogany together with no slippage.
Yes i have. I dont really like it as you can easily use too much salt and get a clump. Happened to me once and i never used salt again
Have you tried painter’s tape instead of maskling tape? If so, did painter’s tape do the job?
Brilliant to make the lid first and then make your box to fit it
My first and only hardwood box cupped like crazy even though I made it from small strips glued on edge and alternated the grain
The white oak was really dry and stable, who knows what happened?
Would salt have prevented the veneer from moving while glueing up?
Rob at the 44 min mark, why use the hand plane vs your 5.5? More control?
Great video , thanks . Some people use contact cement for veneering, does it make any difference ?
I prefer wood glue. It has a much stronger bond
Rob I have a question about this, if I took hard wood around the perimeter of the lid, the in the inner side of the Perimeter made a dove tail across that, ten slide the top in. So length rails go first then side ones to finish the middle together.
How strong of a lid would this be ?
Thanks for another excellent, practical video.
One small point which might be useful, regarding getting the glue into splits, such as that of the crack on one corner of the veneer: put the glue (thinned down a little, if need be) on the surface, and then apply the vacuum-cleaner nozzle underneath - works every time.
Hi Rob...I'm new to your channel but I want you to know how much I personally appreciate your direct involvement with the Purple Heart Project....that means a great deal. Your ability to provide such clear and concise tutorials is as good as it gets. Your knowledge regarding the use and care of tools and your innate ability to create designs, structural connectors, and hinges is incredible. One thing though...as a university professor (English)....the words out and about are pronounced "OWT" and "ABOWT"...not "OOT" and "ABOOT" (just kidding you). Best wishes and stay healthy.....eh!
Would you ever set the veneer inside the box made by the 4 edge pieces to protect the edges of the veneer? When you stick the edge pieces why don't you line one end up with the carcass so you only have to plane/trim one end? My dad used to steam his veneers when they were twisted (and to conform them to rounded surfaces like the bands on a round table), is that still an OK method to resolve veneers which aren't flat?
As you were preparing to saw the first sheet of veneer I was wondering if it would have been easier to glue the walnut to the MDF before slicing the veneer. After seeing the whole process I guess not. I know that is is required to veneer both sides of lumber and plywood. But is it necessary to do both sides of MDF? I'm thinking of an application where the inside of the box would be covered with flocking. As to your method of teaching, it is outstanding. You don't rush through steps which makes it very easy to comprehend everything. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and please continue to stay healthy.
Yep same principle applies. Do to both sides so you have an equal amount of moisture to prevent cupping. Of course MDF is much less prone to warping but I still follow the general rule.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Glen - the flocking doesn't put the same tension (albeit light) as the veneer. But a secondary wood saves the good stock for more boxes and would not seem to add much in thickness.
My question for Rob - Does the flocking change how the lid would fit if it is also flocked? How would you compensate if so, using the wood hinge? (I still need to watch any existing and the new ones coming out) Would you just use tape around the inside border to keep the flocking back?
Would you consider gluing the veneer with contact cement?
JIM
After seeing this video I understand that you can never have too much clamps...
Having too many clamps is a scientific impossibility
I was just wondering if you have ever tried vacuum bagging instead of the clamps? If so what did or didn't you like about it? Thanks for your time. I really like your videos. RCW
I have a lot in the past. Works great however I never had heavy material so I would be constantly patching holes.
That looks like a pretty huge band saw (by my small wood shop standards). Otherwise I love the idea of being able to cut veneer slices out of prime pieces of wood.
Hi Rob: Would this be a good use for a vacuum press?
Love your videos, this was great! Do you have any advice in regards to materials for anyone who DOESN'T happen to have huge, thick rubber mats leftover from a bowling alley in their shop!?! I'm an architect by day, so I have maybe a couple products in mind and I'll ask around. Perhaps contractors might be a good resource.
Yes, options are: piece of hard foam mat you can easily get at any box store, a cork sheet, closed cell backpacking sleep mat, yoga bat, etc.....
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I'm putting rubber matting on my basement floor right now.
For the kind of rubber you were using, horse stall mats (mentioned above) are the cheapest source of hard rubber mats. Grain and feed stores carry them. You can find rubber flooring with a similar thickness and hardness, but it's going to be pretty expensive. Be prepared, the horse stall mats weigh about 100 lbs each.
Nice hockey tape job on your clamps..llol
And it really helps gripping th ehandle