Rise of China Part I: Communist Car Creations
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2022
- A classic car connaisseur goes deep into the history of the Chinese car industry. From communist creations, to copycat cars and the rise to total world dominance. How did the Chinese auto industry develop so fast? A look at it's history might provide an answer!
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Always cite your sources! Massive thanks to the websites chinacarhistory.com and carnewschina.com which have an extensive library of articles and pictures about many of the cars shown in the video!
Looks like Xiajin 71 was based on soviet GAZ 13 Chaika, which looked like Caribbean, but not directly on Caribbean.
its great to see other people using those sites instead of me
Almost at 100k
Aisin-Gioro Puyi, courtesy name Yaozhi, was the last emperor of China as the eleventh and final Qing dynasty monarch. He became emperor at the age of two in 1908, but was forced to abdicate on February 12, 1912 during the Xinhai Revolution. His era name as Qing emperor, "Xuantong", means "proclamation of unity". Wikipedia
Born: February 7, 1906, Prince Chun Mansion, Beijing, China
Died: October 17, 1967, Peking Union Medical College Hosp., Beijing, China
Buried: 1995, Babaoshan Revolutionary Cemetery, Beijing, China
Spouse: Li Shuxian (m. 1962-1967), Li Yuqin (m. 1943-1957), Tan Yuling (m. 1937-1942), More
Children: Yuyan
Siblings: Pujie, Jin Youzhi, Puqi, Jin Yunying, Pu Yunyu, Jin Zhijian, Yunhe, Jin Yunxian, Jin Ruijie, Yunying
Are you going to talk about the Buick Envision?
A car history detail you could have thrown in is that the Belgian engineer Ferdinand Verbiest made the first "car" for the Chinese emperor in 1672. It basically used a primitive steam engine before steam engines were a thing.
True story? That long ago? I'll have to look it up. Cheers my friend
yeah, belgians, also big bang and internet protocols, clever people!
It was more of a scale model than an actual car, if it was ever build that is. It was approximately 65cm long (25.6in) so it could not carry any people.
Off, good one! It truly is a genius concept, unfortunately it was never made one a human scale.
Hey guys. Jing jong bing bong.
Nice video as usual. Don't forget to mention that private car ownership wasn't allowed in China until.... 1994! Only officials and companies were allowed to operate motor vehicles until then. Can't wait for the next part!
And private ownership of vehicles exists today only because of the corruption and greed at every level of oversight.
@@freetolook3727 what
@@freetolook3727 you say it like the "democratic" system doesn't have any corruption involved.
Can you do an episode on Polish car industry, and how it was doomed to collapse since the day one? It's a tragic story of trying and failing to defy the destiny and struggle to prevent the inevietable disaster, with pathetic effects that not only didn't prevent, but rushed it. I know what I am saying, I'm from Poland and I have observed this uneven battle for Poland to have its own car all my life
Most of the cars imported and/or assembled in Poland came
from Italy in the name of FIAT and from the former Yugoslavia
in the name of ZASTAVA - which is currently on a revival of sorts.
Iran also has its own Car manufacturing industry. -
Surprisingly Iran manufactures quality fashion that rivals the French
and manufacture high quality shoes.
Of course - since the collapse of the CCCP -
Cep Cepa Cepem Pogania - Germany - France and many other
countries such as Taiwan and Korea opened manufacturing plants
in Poland - exploiting am using 'Cheap Labor' -
One soon realizes that the price charged fro goods is based on what
the people can afford to pay as a maximum without drowning too much
in debt == Selling prices do not have much to do with the actual
value of the goods sold = All is based on exploiting the market.
I think you have the communist era Polish car industry in mind, but we must not forget about the pre-war Poland. IIRC, that industry was not pathetic, although not very developed - but the development was cut short.
Incredible footages and research. As a life long car enthusiast who is ethnically Chinese (though never lived in Mainland China), this is the first time I've ever learned of such history.
7:38 : most car historians and specialists agree to say that this model was hugely inspired (to say the least) by the French Simca Versailles and I have to admit that looking at the front and rear lights, the shapes of the wheel arches, the roof, windows and door designs and even the painting pattern and chrome trimming, they are way closer to a Versailles's than a Consul's.
I read about that. Honestly, from my point of view I thought even more like a Consul, but now that I'm taking a second look at the Simca, I can't do anything else but agree!
@@EdsAutoReviews allow me to agree to agree 😉 On a side note, the Simca Vedette range in its various iterations (Versailles, Trianon, Regence, Marly, then Chambord, Beaulieu, Presidence then later Ariane) was the direct descendent of the original Ford Vedette built since 1948 in the same factory in Poissy (west of Paris) by the Ford SAF (Ford Societe Anonyme Francaise) but designed in Detroita as a 'small car concept'. The new Vedette range (starting from 1954 and still designed in Detroit) was rapidly rebranded Simca Versailles when Ford France merged with Theodore Pigozzi's SIMCA brand - which had started just before ww2 with French versions of small Fiat cars -like the Topolino - renamed Simca 5 - and its bigger sister Simca 9 . So, the hereditary parentage with the Consul is quite logical: one model being a Ford UK, the other one a French direct descendent of a Ford France one...
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SIMCA VERSAILLES not Simca Versailles
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My immediate and lasting impression was, "That's a Simca!". I only saw 1 in my life here in NYC, but I remember it well, as it belonged to my neighbor
When war is over, a video about the soviet car industry would be awesome! Love that you mentiined the ZIS and the Volga
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I mean, the CA72 is a decidedly less iconic 'leadermobile' compared to the CA770, but it's nice to see you talk about Chinese car industry.
P.S. The dynasty's name is pronounced more like "chin" as opposed to "queen".
EAR is some of the best automotive commentary out there. Rates right up there with the original top gear crew.
Thanks ED, love your work
One of the most entertaining, informative channels on CZcams. Many thanks!
Is that a tucker on a wall?
I was expectiong to hear about VW and its cooperation here, resulting in the manufacturing of the VW Santana in China...
I really want to say thank you for this video. I am really interested in the Chinese auto industry but due to its vast size and secrecy I can't get a lot of reliable info from Internet. Your video is perfect. I can't wait for Part-2 and Part-3.
Hey Ed you should do the Mexican car industry next.
A burro and a cart? They build those??
@@mrpoohbearlvr Vuhl 05RR
He's done Ford already 🤣
We have a really bad car industry the only thing we can talk about is how many VW Type 1s we built
@@mrpoohbearlvr You seem to be very intelligent
China: *Makes something new*
Originality: Can you don't......
I love this series, and I'm very curious about the Chinese car industry.
I can’t wait for the next two episodes. Great work as usual. 👍🏼
Great history lesson Ed, looking forward to part 2.
As cars and history are among my favorite subjects, I can't think of a single thing that could make Ed's videos better than they are. Every one excels in research and presentation. One my favorite couple of channels. Always informative, and amusing.
New episode time!!!!
When you make a part 2, could you look into the insane amount of jeep cherokee knockoffs that were made?
Some aren't even jeeps but they have the front end stuck on.
There are also official Jeep branded cars sold in China too. Their version of the XJ Cherokee are mostly powered by 4 cylinder engines either from AMC or Mitsubishi, although some 6 cylinder variants were also available.
I currently live in China, and from my experience, the model with the most knockoff is actually Toyota Hiace.
Every series and every generation of Toyota Hiace has its duplicate in China, and many of them are still active today
@@Senorthomas05 yep! That is the true one! it is called Jin Bei (Golden Cup) in China!
I had no idea FAW was that old! Great research btw. Can't wait for the next one!
A very nice Episode, Ed! Thank you very much! Schöne Grüße an dich aus Ostfriesland!
Maybe history of warsaw pact countries car industry ?
Very nice this! Cant wait for ep2!
I just LOVE your videos. Looking forward to the next.
Love from Canada
I always enjoy all your shows, and I also learn a lot that I didn't know! Great work!
Awesome as usual. I can't wait for the next two parts.
Always enjoy your videos Ed, looking forward to Part 2!
Already loving the „series“. Thanks Ed.
When you mentioned the 50s you showed pictures of the construction of Brasilia, Brazil! Glad to see that! Till this day, this is the most different city maybe in the world
Man you’re good, all of your videos are so interesting! What a great channel!
I think you forget to mention the Hongqi CA770 which was idealy the first proper car that kept in production for over 40years until late 1990s
it´s awesome seeing you do an episode of china!
Thanks for a fascinating topic! This is one of your best videos yet. I am looking forward to the following two episodes. Greetings from South Africa.
great video as always Ed! I was thinking a video about car companies' in-house tuning divisions might be cool
You have some of the most entertaining car reviews on CZcams. Well, you and Regular Car Reviews is pretty funny too.
You rock!Absolutely cool content,greetings from Brazil !
Excellent presentation.... thank you .... looking forward to the other parts.
Brilliant as always! I love the details about the vehicles coming out of the peoples republic back in the 50s and 60s. I never had any clue lmao
Excellent story so far. I can’t wait to see where this going. Thanks for the video. Cheers!
@ Ed - I would have to say that you did a great job for giving us a quick Chinese auto industry history presentation. Haven't seen anyone done this before. You are also entertaining . 🙂Keep up the good work !
I really enjoy your content.
Never miss an episode
Well researched and well presented, great channel. 👏👏👏👏
AS ALWAYS GREAT!! THANKS ED!!!
Another thought provoking presentation. Well done Ed
I was scared, that you will have no more great ideas for new shows, but damn! :D perfect! every single new one is perfect :)
Very good video Ed! Very interesting indeed
Superb! Thanks for such a detailed research.
I'm jumping the gun here, but Part 2 would be definitely about the various joint ventures the goverment of China asks the foreign companies have to do with the local companies when doing their investments in China. That's why we have companies such as Dongfeng Citroen, FAW Volkswagen, BMW Brilliance, Beijing Benz and so on.
You ask, I deliver!
In China, this strategy was called "exchange the technology by the market" which has been later on also used in high-speed railway vehicles and systems.
Well done. Your best episode. Thank you.
FANTASTIC- like all your vids! Bravo.
Private car ownership during the 20th century in China is an interesting topic. During the warlord era there were pockets of stability so some areas like Shanghai developed a bit, some middle class formed and they were able to afford cars, Buick was a favorite.
After the communist takeover, private car ownership continued for a few more years until the first purge, the merchant class were originally included as revolutionaries until the mid 50s anti rightist purge.
From that point on cars were only for government officials, although connected employees like chauffeurs can take decommissioned cars home and store them in their rural homesteads. They would later become the first generation of classic car hobbyists in china.
In the late 70s, after the cultural revolution, china started to slowly reform and open up. Some people using connections were able to import jdm used cars via Hong Kong and north Korea. Others registered cars using their work units.
In the early 80s, china got a surplus shipment of polski fiats from Poland. It was too small for official use so they were sold to private individuals, becoming the first car the average joe can buy legally.
At the time, average citizens had an aversion to owning cars because they don't want to be seen as bourgeois. So the central newspaper ran a piece about an old lady who bought a Toyota through saving. This signalled to the public private car ownership was now socially acceptable in china.
State owned enterprises started selling too, newly rich business owners would bring sacks of cash to the Shanghai factory to buy the sh760. At first they would be turned away, but after a while the communist factory managers backed down and started selling cars meant for party officials.
The rest is history
Great work my friend!!
Another very good and informative video, as always,,,, i like it 👍
great, as usual. Thanks!
LOVE this channel!!!
Excellent news!!
More Edward..
Another great video!
Best work yet Ed... The party is pleased.
Right now, the amount of obscure Chinese car manufacturers is ridiculous, and yes almost of them have silly and weird names.
Great video! Some new knowledges that i did not know before, even though I was born in China and I’m a car enthusiast.
I liked the Brasília footages showing "the modern world"
Just found this series and loving it, I'd love to see a video on some of the earliest "motor wagons" of the late 1800 and early 1900s
I realize that China's automotive industry looks strong right now, but eventually they're going to hit a Wall.
@ Harv72b what kind of wall
Lol, in your dreams. They are starting to own the Western car companies as well as those eventually hit the wall and the Western car companies cannot dream of existing untill they have satisfied the Chinese demand and have invested there.
It's amazing how much the automotive history of each nation is so interwoven with the nation's culture and history overall.
@1:35 - My mom used to fly to Shanghai for Continental Airlines, and the cabin crew had to confiscate all newspapers (provided by the airlines) because foreign newspapers are were not allowed in China. (Just in case they included any criticisms about the Chinese Communist Party)
It’s been about 10 years since then, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that rule still stands today.
Cabin crew always collect your magazines and papers but you have an option to keep them (apart from inflight magazine which aren't supposed to be taken down). This happens when I flew to China, US or any other world destination. 10 years ago as was 2 years back before pandemic started.
Very very interesting! Thanks!
Buick and Packard were very popular in the USSR as well
the Shanghai sh760 was not built by FAW, it's actually easy to tell from the name: the car was built by which became SAIC today, based in and mostly owned by shanghai government, quite far from FAW based in Changchun in all aspects. sh760's production went on for a quite long time with its last facelifted variants even sharing some parts with the vw santana to the early 90s.
the pic in which a sh760 stands next to a santana you used in the video was taken in the shanghai automotive museum today, it's a lovely place.
Lol, back in the early 2010s we used to tell a joke that during the visit of the US president to China, after his “Cadillac One” passes the end of street, a counterfeit car named “Dielac One” will be spawned at the beginning of that very same street (note that Dielac is an actual brand in real life, and it is a Vietnamese milk brand, not related to cars or China whatsoever).
So you know: that first car was a "Dur-YEEA", not Doo-ryah. Fascinating topic, well presented
C'mon, as if it matters. Its good enough. He's a great Dutch guy handling English fantastically. The facts are much more important.
I read an article in the Wall Street Journal back in the 1980's about Chinese refrigerator manufacturing. Apparently, it took years to receive the refrigerator that had been ordered, and when the customers finally got them many of them didn't work or broke down. Based on the serial numbers it was traced back to one worker on a particular manufacturing line. The worker was taken out behind the factory and shot. How's that for quality control? It would appear their manufacturing has progressed over the last forty years.
Haha typical communist China. That’s the way to do it
China's overall quality control is still a crap shoot. There's far too many manufacturers that don't care about quality. People like the CEO of Haier who made his factory workers smash their substandard fridges in the 80s are the exception rather than the rule.
@@MrAnonymousRandom same owner as CHERY ?
He probably wasn't even responsible for the problem. Either he wasn't sufficiently loyal to the party, or was just made expendable, and killed. All for show, to claim the problem was solved. Nothing the CCP has ever said can be trusted
Ed is a great narrator!
Interesting to see a Car channel giving a better summary of 20th century Chinese politics than actual history channels...
We love to deride the Communist government, but really, the Qing Dynasty and Kuomintang (Who now rule Taiwan) were incredibly weak governments that couldn't unite the country in the way the Communists did.
If we want to blame anyone, let's blame the Qing Emperor or Chiang-Kai Shek.
Great review of China’s history thru cars… really really good and thx for all your efforts
Can’t wait for part 2, also since you started making videos on communist countries, you could also make a series on Russia (USSR) next time
Ed if you’re still taking ideas for the “what if” car series you should do the pimpmobile you created in the pimpmobile video (that’s episode 11 by the way)
Great video
I came across an issue of Car and Driver in the late 1980s with a delightful parody article by Bruce McCall, the artist and retro-futurist, whose "Bulgemobiles" that still grace the covers of The New Yorker. It was titled "Socialist Luxobarge Summit Showdown Compare", with a Red Flag limousine and a Russian ZIL. I had seen Red Flag cars in China during my first visit in 1975, and they were still making them in the late 80s. I have only found it on an on-line site about Russian cars and cannot download it.
It's not a great article about the cars. Mostly just a parody. I have the original magazine. September '88, if I remember correctly.
I was one of the rather early visitors to China, in 1975, before we reestablished diplomatic relations. Every morning in Beijing, I would visit the drivers and cars in front of the Beijing Hotel. Mostly "Shenyang" cars, all the same paint job, but ranging from new to 14-15 years old. The drivers were washing the engines down with bars of soap and rags. There were several Red Flag limousines parked, and I got a good look at them, including under the hoods (shiny clean). Some had front air conditioning and all had the privacy curtains in the back. Jay Leno has a video where a Chinese collector brings his Hong Chi to the garage for a lookover and a drive.
Nice
Il ne waiting 😊😌
My father-in-law went to the best University in China, Tsinghua University where he studied automotive engineering in 1946 and helped developing Red flag, the first Chinese made sedan. in late 1990's I witnessed the joint ventures between Chinese manufacturers and foreign auto companies set up all over China. In 1995 when an auto show held in Beijing, people carried a suitcase of cash to the show to try to convince the auto exhibitor to allow him to buy the car they fell in love with. (LOL) At that time nobody can imagine in 20 years every Chinese family can afford a car. What a history the Chinese people made!
The thing that sets China above every other country is their ability to produce anything at the largest volume at the cheapest price. They produce at a quantity over quality system. This is in their favor as most companies will purchase the cheapest thing to save money regardless of how long it lasts. However, this isn't an issue when it comes to raw materials. No one knows what the quality is until those materials are turned into parts. This is where quality shows once parts are used. Overtime the life of these Chinese parts will fall short, shorter than anything that has quality put into it.
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Great episode.
That last bit will be the emergence of joint ventures
Good job.comrade
Super, super excellent!
Excellent! Another video from a fellow car nut and crazy Dutch bastard! Thank you!
Definitely going where few CZcams car raconteurs have dared to venture.
HI ED ,,, THANKS FOR SHOWING THOSE OLD USA CARS 50YR.S!!!!!!
Have you ever heard the story of Hong Kong Charlie? This was told to me by someone who worked in garages and body shops in Vancouver Canada in the sixties.
He said this Hong Kong Charlie went around buying up cheap used cars. He had certain requirements. They had to be full size American four door sedans or four door hardtops, all the glass and chrome had to be intact. He didn't care if they were rusty, he didn't even care if they ran.
He gathered up a large number of such cars and once a year loaded them on a ship bound for China. They would anchor outside the 3 mile limit where they would be met by a Chinese ship. One by one the cars would be transferred from one ship to the other. For each car the captain handed over a wad of US dollars.
These cars were taken to China to special workshops where the bodies were repaired and repainted, always black, interiors reupholstered, motors overhauled as necessary, new tires fitted etc. They were then issued to important government officials as official transport.
I don't know how much truth there was to this story. I got it from one man and have not been able to confirm it. I pass it along for what it is worth.
commenting until kei car video comes out
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how havent you done the german car industry yet? love your videos btw
10:40 that's looks so much like a Standard Vangard phase II
I think one thing that has to be remembered about China just before and post civil war is that it was basically a feudal society. People were so poor from living under a feudal system that even if there were somehow car companies, it wouldn't really matter because almost the entire population were poor sustenance farmers that would not be able to afford one or really even need one.
Very interesting...
China's car industry is really interesting. Thanks for making this video.
Really looking forward to how you would introduce all the craze in the industry around the 1990s lol