From Steady State to Ecological Economics (Prof. Herman Daly) - Circular Metabolism Podcast #35
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- 📺 Welcome to the Circular Metabolism podcast 📺. Hello everyone and Welcome to the Circular Metabolism podcast, I am your host, Aristide from Metabolism of Cities. In this podcast we interview thinkers, researchers, activists, policy makers and practitioners to better understand the metabolism of our cities and how to reduce their environmental impact in a socially just and context-specific way.
On today’s episode I am very fortunate to receive one researcher that has helped laying the foundation for most of my colleagues and people we have received on this podcast work. He has co-develop and used two essential analogies that are essential for doughnut economics, post-degrowth, and even circular economy. These analogies are Steady State Economics and Ecological Economics. My guest today is Herman Daly which is emeritus Professor at the University of Maryland and was a senior economist at the World Bank for 6 years. He was the author of the book Steady-State Economics and the editor of the all-star anthology Toward a Steady-State Economy including authors such as Georgescu-Roegen, Boulding, Schumacher, Meadows and many others. He was also the co-founder and associated editor of the academic journal Ecological Economics. He received countless awards for his work.
On this episode, we talk about how steady-state economics could be applied and helped to kickstart ecological economics but also about the controversial topic of population regulation (what is your opinion on that?).
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I discovered this channel just two days ago and I've listened to several episodes of the podcast and have started exploring the metabolism of cities website. Deep gratitude for doing this work. Putting resources together, conducting interviews. So many things have clicked together for me. I had been looking for something exactly like this and i cannot believe it actually existed. I have found so many directions and pointers with the help of your efforts.
Thank you. I had spent too long being a disillusioned and confused PhD student in economics who has found something very valuable in this work at this moment.
So appreciate Herman Daly, and what he promotes!
Such a well of knowledge indeed.
I am so happy to have discovered this channel today! I was searching for any talks by Professor Daly & found this. Excellent interview! I subscribed to the channel & am looking forward to hearing more. Thank you!
Many thanks for your comment Kate! Glad you enjoyed it. You might also enjoy the discussions with Tim Jackson, Kate Raworth and Julia Steinberger
CZcams really is a marvel! I don't recall reading anything of Herman Daly before, but followed up on a mention and found this really thoughtful in depth interview on the fundamental problem with growthist economics.
It's reassuring to know that I have been an instinctive steady state economist all my life, and things might have been very different if we had had all the free flow of information that we enjoy now, 50 years ago. Who knows: we really might have been able to save vertebrate life on Earth!?
It is, for discovering new and old stuff! Steady-stade economics do have something very instictive and "natural" to it.
Nice! Amazing to find this conversation. Thank you for your work Prof. Daly.
Also great podcast. ;)
Glad you found it and enjoyed it!
@@chanidax987 Thanks !!
suggest having Bill Rees and or Nate Hagens on for a chat. The graph of exponential human population growth looks just like the boom phase of a classic boom bust graph of what happens in nature with the same circumstances. Maybe humans are different than all other species.
Thanks for the suggestions Doug! We'll try to have them on.
I have listened to many of Bill Rees’s presentations and his message is crystal clear. Humans are no different from other species except that we have the ability to alter our environment to our advantage in several ways but most importantly because we have figured out how to utilize the energy stored in fossil fuels. What we haven’t figured out is how to deal with the waste products of fossil fuels. The steady build up of these wastes in our atmosphere will very soon be the limiting factor of our proliferation on this planet. In fact, we may already be passing tipping points in this regard.
A Boulding(?)-ist reproduction market could be sold as purchasing a relatively bigger portion of future resources for each child's life. That might satisfy the growth-indoctrinates, when they're facing real scarcity. Thank you so much for your work, Professor, and for the interview Aristide. ❤️🌏
Very scary prospect but we might end up there. Thanks for your comment Lexy!
@@MetabolismofCities it's quite terrifying, which is why people won't look. We'll get there, and we'll either plan for it, or we won't. I despair at the 50 year suppression of Herman's work and the general lack of foresight and human care for the future of our children and other biota. Thanks for your reply. 😊
How can I find info on the boulding plan? Never heard of it and cannot find it online (probably spelling it wrong)
Aww he was such a dear, brave man. very missed!
Indeed, such a bright figure that helped to shape so many minds.
I didn’t hear much about the subject of a steady-state economy and how it could be applied. Only the typical talking points that growth is not sustainable and that we’re overpopulated. What people need to hear is an economic theory not just some blah blah about everything else.
Sorry, not leveling off and stabilizing. Look at a graph of the reindeer population, up and down and look at a graph of human population up and yet to play out. Anyone want to bet that it will level off and stabilize?
Most projection (to our knowledge) say that population will stabilize and even decrease (what has already happened in some part of the world).
@@MetabolismofCities I understand that the reason for population stabilization is that as women become educated they choose to have fewer children. As climate change and other overshoot factors further disrupt things for us in coming decades, including supply chains i.e. access to imported foods, medicines and birth control products, it remains to be seen whether these stabilization trends continue or whether they increase or decrease. It seems unavoidable that mortality will increase dramatically. We continue inexorably along a very dark path because of all the limitations of human thinking and understanding that Bill Rees so well describes.
Actually if you see nations like Bangladesh, India, Pakistan the population is in the overshoot phase ... and that's why millions are dying. Once that starts happening in the Global North, you or anyone will not waste time counting Reindeers or what-animal-you-love...
Human population will stabilize, but never by its own choice. Only by nature's relentless and way overdue enforcement of the laws of thermodynamics.