'They Will Want To Bleed Him To Death': Owen Jones on Corbyn, Labour and the Future of the Left

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Journalist, writer and Labour activist Owen Jones sat down with Novara Media to talk about what Corbynmania means for the left wing movements.
    Interview: Aaron Bastani
    Camera/Edit: Ralph Pritchard
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    amara.org/v/GwL0/

Komentáře • 236

  • @ScottishMatters
    @ScottishMatters Před 9 lety +43

    Great interview Aaron. This is fast becoming a must watch channel.

    • @CrazyBessie79
      @CrazyBessie79 Před 9 lety +2

      scottish matters Sure is :) i'm hooked :D

  • @KrayzListerine
    @KrayzListerine Před 9 lety +93

    Hilarious pronunciation of 'party'. Big fan of that.

    • @microscopic
      @microscopic Před 9 lety +2

      ***** it was like someone having a go at a Welsh party but it sounding a bit like a Pakistani party.

    • @microscopic
      @microscopic Před 9 lety +4

      why bother commenting on anything on youtube generally?

    • @petersz98
      @petersz98 Před 9 lety

      It's called the Flat A!

    • @peterred
      @peterred Před 9 lety

      +Toby Lister ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha split my sides ha ha ha ha ha

    • @jackmansfield4453
      @jackmansfield4453 Před 9 lety

      +Toby Lister Paused the vid after the 2nd "party" and yours was the first comment...thanks.

  • @VeronicasMidget
    @VeronicasMidget Před 9 lety +24

    George Galloway for London Mayor.

    • @SedriqMiers
      @SedriqMiers Před 9 lety +7

      ***** Owen Jones For Deputy Prime Minister.

    • @jazzx251
      @jazzx251 Před 9 lety +1

      +TheUnswatableMidge
      Dennis Skinner has already sewn that one up.

    • @LolLol-ch7sl
      @LolLol-ch7sl Před 9 lety

      ***** I don't want London to have sharia law so no

  • @UylssesSyndrome
    @UylssesSyndrome Před 9 lety +19

    Parteeey.

  • @p1nm0re
    @p1nm0re Před 9 lety +14

    Looks younger than his years considering he took a leading part in organizing the Jarrow March in 1936....

    • @phoenixzappa7366
      @phoenixzappa7366 Před 9 lety +2

      +knockshinnoch1950 40 years "down mine" man and boy

    • @thecrimsonbubbles
      @thecrimsonbubbles Před 8 lety

      looking at Owen and Aaron it's difficult to say which of them is older, I'd guess there's only a couple of years between them, if that

  • @hbledzep8
    @hbledzep8 Před 9 lety +15

    Excellent video. Its good someone out there still talks sense and knows history further back than 15 years. Refreshing

    • @georgechristodoulides9354
      @georgechristodoulides9354 Před 9 lety

      +hbledzep8 Why on earth would anyone want to go back more than 15 years? Grim times.

    • @penny-farthing
      @penny-farthing Před 9 lety

      George Christodoulides I lived through them and it was great. It's dismal now!

    • @georgechristodoulides9354
      @georgechristodoulides9354 Před 9 lety

      ***** Seriously? You lived through the 3 day week, militant unionism, the sick man days and the WoD and thought it was great?

    • @Reverend-Rodger
      @Reverend-Rodger Před 9 lety

      +George Christodoulides That happened in the year 2000?

    • @georgechristodoulides9354
      @georgechristodoulides9354 Před 9 lety

      Danny Tigz 'Further back than 15 years', so before 15 years mate. So no, before the year 2000..

  • @spinach-colour-joey6776
    @spinach-colour-joey6776 Před 9 lety +9

    why is he saying "party" weird?

    • @08SunSun08
      @08SunSun08 Před 9 lety +3

      Northern uk accent

    • @spinach-colour-joey6776
      @spinach-colour-joey6776 Před 9 lety +1

      nope. it ain't that. i'm from the uk btw

    • @petersz98
      @petersz98 Před 9 lety +1

      It's called the "flat a", Americans and in the North of England a is pronounced like this sometimes.

    • @shacklock01
      @shacklock01 Před 9 lety

      Candolad ....I thought he was from stockport? Pretty sure he is, he wrote a book about scallies in stockport, cos hes from stockport haha. Pretty sure he went Bramhall Highschool of all places haha bless him.

    • @jacobgracey2442
      @jacobgracey2442 Před 9 lety

      +Candolad I'm from nottingham lad, and I pronounce party correctly.

  • @dantealighieriish
    @dantealighieriish Před 8 lety +2

    Owen Jones can talk for half an hour and say nothing. Now, that is the skill

  • @lenkapenka6976
    @lenkapenka6976 Před 9 lety +1

    Superb interview, really enjoyed listening to this. Both Owen and Aaron on top form!

  • @Vaygor
    @Vaygor Před 7 lety +2

    OK, so Owen gets a lot of hate from comment dwellers because they use one off events, such as him storming off set, as an excuse to ignore all his arguments and continue with their views; instead of allowing them to be challenged. I think Owen raised many good points here and opened up a door to this agenda of conversation within the British left. Well done!

  • @robyourtime
    @robyourtime Před 9 lety +17

    Comparing UKIP with National Front. FFS

    • @antsholland757
      @antsholland757 Před 9 lety +13

      +Alice Rabbit you are very funny

    • @antsholland757
      @antsholland757 Před 9 lety +5

      +Alice Rabbit You know white people used to be black right?

    • @antsholland757
      @antsholland757 Před 9 lety +2

      +Alice Rabbit So you're ancestors were black, you are the descendant of an undermensch.

    • @robyourtime
      @robyourtime Před 9 lety +1

      Haven't you see the paintings of Adam and Eve? Definitely white...

    • @antsholland757
      @antsholland757 Před 9 lety

      rob poynter Do you realise that in Africa, Coptic Christians show Adam and Eve as being black?

  • @Dewiart16
    @Dewiart16 Před 9 lety

    Wouldn't it be better if we abolished ALL political parties and we had a Parliament made up only of independent MPs who act like a giant jury . No whips, no pre-arranged voting, just REAL democracy. And people no longer putting themselves into little boxes with lots of rules and beliefs that they have to obey.

  • @inglian02
    @inglian02 Před 9 lety +1

    Not convinced by "I wanted Austerity Lite in order to build opposition to it," or have I misunderstood?

    • @JeffUK
      @JeffUK Před 9 lety

      Richard Turner He's saying he preferred to get a Labour government and try to pressure them into making changes for the better than a Conservative government.

  • @agdgdgwngo
    @agdgdgwngo Před 6 lety +1

    Surreal to watch this considering how well Corbyn has done.

  • @thelesserfeat6298
    @thelesserfeat6298 Před 4 lety +1

    And they did.

  • @caitlyncanavan1850
    @caitlyncanavan1850 Před 8 lety

    I don't see any sense in attacking people's position in these matters, but I do see this as a kind of fools errand. It seems unrealistic to think that Britain will move enough to the left in our lifetime, to ever elect a man like Corbin, or any other far left politician.

  • @peterbalchin
    @peterbalchin Před 9 lety

    Both Owen Jones and Jeremy Corbyn are good for politics and good for involvement of the young in politics imho.

  • @jimmymyers8753
    @jimmymyers8753 Před 7 lety +1

    Just concentrate on Rent Boys , Jones !!

  • @SuperBenjo97
    @SuperBenjo97 Před 9 lety +4

    He says the word 'party' really strangely... Other than that though I would agree with most of it

  • @chris6770
    @chris6770 Před 9 lety +2

    Owen sounds like a prisoner of his own ideology, from 13:05 onwards. He makes a very good case as to why the Green party is more progressive and electoral reform a necessity but can't break free of his commitment to build a Labour left rather than focus on those very political reforms that will free all of us. His attachments mean he's got it backwards, fortunately the rest of us needn't be so blinded. Stop trying to work within a first past the post system that doesn't work for people or democracy or real representation and which is a constant roadblock to real change, Owen! Electoral Reform Society and Constitution UK at LSE both deserve a mention.

    • @WIDGI
      @WIDGI Před 9 lety +6

      chris6770 what he actually says is, he IS a prisoner of his own ideology because of the rules within Labour and that those rules should be changed. But also that the Green Party have more in common with the Labour Party than the power obsessed Blairites who have assumed power within the (New) Labour Party. What is inspiring hope though is that Corbyn is actually presenting a real alternative that has been missing from the Labour Party since Blair offered the country a change and then turned out to be a Red Tory. It has been assumed within the political class (whatever that means) that Thatcherism has won and there is no alternative, so to keep the Tories out, everyone needs to become Tory, forcing the Tories further to the right. Clearly, I agree, there needs to be electoral reform and indeed, one of the things Owen says in this interview is that he encourages people to support a single issue, such as electoral reform. He is trying to have a long-term game plan that has been unexpectedly accelerated by the Corbyn effect and taken many people by surprise. Personally, I don't see why the Greens and Labour might not ultimately merge but for now, let's see what happens in the weeks and months to come.

  • @Myinspiration2009
    @Myinspiration2009 Před 9 lety

    I find it difficult to understand Owen´s accent!!! Where is he from or which part of England is he from, please? Anyone?

  • @MarkJVSomers
    @MarkJVSomers Před 9 lety +2

    Hm, Owen dodging the 'would you vote green' question here somewhat.

  • @erzan
    @erzan Před 9 lety +2

    The London Mayor election uses proportional voting so a Labour Party supporter can vote Labour first, Green second and Liberal Democrats last.

    • @simpsonsim07
      @simpsonsim07 Před 9 lety +2

      erzan You can only choose two candidates.

    • @erzan
      @erzan Před 9 lety

      simpsonsim07 Point still stands.

    • @simpsonsim07
      @simpsonsim07 Před 9 lety

      Yeah, people might be confused when they try and vote for the lib dems last and have their ballots void

  • @politicalphilosophy-thegre3053

    *Utopia, by Thomas More*
    June, 1500 A.D
    University of Westminster Press
    1.1.1 *Book I. Chapter 1. Section 1.* Politics in London- How A State Should Treat Its People
    1.1.2 *Book I. Chapter 1. Section 2.* Paying The Populace Fairly
    1.1.3 *Book II.Chapter 1. Section 3.* How English Taxes Should Be Organised
    1.1.4 *Book II Chapter 2. Section 1.* Legal System
    1.1.5 *Book II Chapter 2. Section 1.* Cooperative Labour and Rights
    1.1.6 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 2.* Instruments of Justice
    1.1.7 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 3.* Towards a New England
    1.1.8 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 4.* Payments, Welfare And Reperations
    1.1.9 *Book III Chapter 3. Section 1.* Salary of Peasants and Wayfarers
    1.1.10 *Book III Chapter 3 .Section 2.* Education in the English Commonwealth

  • @vinzholton
    @vinzholton Před 9 lety +1

    labour party is a bunch of KGB officers.

    • @timofarrelly9380
      @timofarrelly9380 Před 9 lety

      +Vin Colton they all are and its not called the kgb anymore !they are all a shower of evil nazis tory labour....parliament is a cesspool of corruption ruled over by the corporation of the city of London....learn stuff m8,u got a computer!

  • @Cromper
    @Cromper Před 9 lety

    Nice to see Owen Jones having a chit-chat whilst millions of REAL workers are keeping the country going!

  • @micahr9255
    @micahr9255 Před 7 lety

    Look at ranked choice voting. It is a way of avoiding "diving the vote." You can pick an underdog without feeling like a "spoiler" because if your first choice is eliminated, you still have a second round in an instant runoff system. The only way for someone to win without a runoff is to receive over 50% in the first round. No more Amber Rudds winning with less then 50% of the vote in a four-party race. Check it out here:
    www.fairvote.org/rcv/#rcvbenefits

  • @peacefrog1916
    @peacefrog1916 Před 9 lety +2

    Scottish national paaaaaaaty.

  • @MrTrevormctrevor
    @MrTrevormctrevor Před 9 lety

    watched three owen jones videos in a row, i don't think i've seen him answer a question directly yet. he would make a great mp

  • @EmilyCarver
    @EmilyCarver Před 8 lety

    12 pound/hr minimum wage. Right. Queue thousands of businesses unable to stay afloat.

  • @maddysutherland2112
    @maddysutherland2112 Před 9 lety

    I agree with everything Owen is saying apart from his views on Scottish Nationalism. That's over now (thank god) and we have to stand together, not make excuses.

  • @jtuck35
    @jtuck35 Před 9 lety

    Even six months of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the PLP could have a huge effect on the balance of UK politics. Think about a whole generation of young and youngish voters, a significant proportion of whom voted Tory in the last election. If you remove Jeremy Corbyn from this labour leadership fight, those voters are going to spend the next five years imagining the spread of politics going from Yvette Cooper on the 'left' to David Cameron over on the right. That's the most destructive thing about the FPtP system, the way in which it limits the general public's exposure to the possibilities of politics. Corbyn's hypothetical six months in charge are not going to convince any Tory voters to vote labour, but they're going to give young and otherwise agnostic voters an opportunity to view 'mainstream' politics as a wider sweep, to put Cameron's tories in their proper place as a genuinely right-wing party (not just the 'slightly more pro-austerity ones').
    Or, in short: Corbyn is unlikely to shift the Overton Window to the left, but he's unquestionably going to /stretch/ it to the left. Indeed, he already has. It definitely won't hurt to have the rampantly victorious SNP sitting in the same parliament either.

  • @trevorcharlesmorgan
    @trevorcharlesmorgan Před 6 lety

    Owen, you're so great, I love people who just are so popular by saying everything people want to hear. Forget discipline or working hard to make your life better, lets get the state to pay for everything. Don't you just hate people who ask stupid questions about how its going to be paid for, it;s obvious other people should pay for us. Lets wack tax up and have a great health service, I really think we should have foot massages and free cappuccinos in NHS waiting rooms, there;s loads of money in the world just need to tax it from someone else.

  • @h3akalee
    @h3akalee Před 6 lety

    Imagine getting sent to War with Owen Jones? Imagine having to have to depend upon him with your life? No i can't either.

    • @lesleycarter8233
      @lesleycarter8233 Před 5 lety

      My dad fought in WWII ......if he were alive today he’d have more in common with Owen Jones than you...

  • @anarki777
    @anarki777 Před 8 lety +5

    Par-tea (???)

  • @Knappa22
    @Knappa22 Před 9 lety

    The withering , slightly despairing way he says 'Tessa Jowell' at 11:52 is the way *everyone* says Tessa Jowell!!

  • @scubasausage
    @scubasausage Před 9 lety

    Somebody tell me how leaving NATO, de-commissioning nuclear power and re-opening the coal mines are in any way shape or form "common sense"?

  • @IWLTTFYBA
    @IWLTTFYBA Před 9 lety

    Kasegi Yabu ........ Something tells me that the wages of the employees you are talking about, doesn't include the wages of the management, like the Directors and the Chairman. One rule for them another for the employees?
    Nowhere in your statement did you mention the Directors, always getting nice big pay rises and bonuses (thousands of shares). I have seen directors get big handouts even if the company has not done all that well. We are talking many millions of pounds here. The way you put it the whole problem is with the employees, my experience tells me poor productivity arises mostly from poor management of the workforce. Particularly if there is a lack of clear processes and procedures; plus a lack of appropriate training before the employee starts the job in hand.
    Poor management will get a company into hot water, a whole lot quicker than your "Lazy Employees" not working hard enough.

  • @frtoxable
    @frtoxable Před 9 lety

    I enjoyed that. Good questions and interesting answers. Food for thought...

  • @swisscottagecleanairaction

    Coulda woulda shoulda are the last word of a fool.

  • @AndysBrainblog
    @AndysBrainblog Před 7 lety

    drinking game: drink every time Owen says "party".

  • @juliettejones6091
    @juliettejones6091 Před 9 lety

    Go Owen! Cool guy.

  • @glennzone12
    @glennzone12 Před 9 lety +2

    >UKIP
    >xenophobic
    Hahahahaha oh boy here we go

  • @mrpoliticaltranslator4043

    Good points about them having used up the available currency of the centre-left though.

  • @TheNovelty8theory
    @TheNovelty8theory Před 9 lety

    Where does the illuminati fit into all of this??

  • @orchalk
    @orchalk Před 9 lety

    That might be the first time I have ever watched an interview with Owen Jones that didn't use the Eamonn Holmes technique.

  • @FrankLucas-pw5hs
    @FrankLucas-pw5hs Před 9 lety

    he's talking about the bias BBC media, and character assassinations using Ed as an example.. erhm, how about Nigel Garage lmao? I've heard so many call him a racist, sexist bigot, and yet nobody can give me a video where he says any racist or sexist remarks.. >

  • @Knappa22
    @Knappa22 Před 9 lety

    He says 'party' in a strange way. 'Paaart-thee'

  • @sjenkin88
    @sjenkin88 Před 9 lety

    Great interview.

  • @Behindstage
    @Behindstage Před 9 lety

    £12 hour min wage! in a ideal world maybe..honestly

  • @Viktors633
    @Viktors633 Před 8 lety

    Owen is worth a few quid.

  • @chatteyj
    @chatteyj Před 9 lety +1

    Ukipxenophobic?Ihadtostopwatchingthere.Soirryspacebarnotworking.

  • @karlmuller1976
    @karlmuller1976 Před 9 lety

    Karl Pilkington is a great interviewer!

  • @dbec5224
    @dbec5224 Před 9 lety

    is this a channel for schoolkids

  • @thefalcon256
    @thefalcon256 Před 9 lety

    How can anyone be for affordable housing and higher wages and at the same time support mass immigration and open borders? High demand = low wages and high property prices and high rents. Yes, you could tax the crap out of the richest people, but do that and most of them will just transfer their wealth abroad or move to a cheaper country, as they always do. I've asked this question 10 times already, I still can't get an answer.

  • @richardmiller4521
    @richardmiller4521 Před 7 lety

    world getting dumb and dumber pointless talk getting no where

  • @mirandansa
    @mirandansa Před 9 lety

    Nike...

  • @hablerz
    @hablerz Před 9 lety

    I just came here to say how much i loathe Owen Jones.

  • @naughtybynatutrelove2love683

    GONNA BE FUN WATCHING THE LABOUR PARTY EAT ITSELF,,,,,LMFAO

  • @aidanlynam9655
    @aidanlynam9655 Před 9 lety

    This Labour Leader contest is like the 'Special Olympics' of politics.
    Gorden Brown, Ed Miliband, - Who'll will be the next 'Leader of Lefty Idiots' ?

  • @greenactivist4187
    @greenactivist4187 Před 9 lety

    Parrdey

  • @bungalows9564
    @bungalows9564 Před 9 lety

    Jeremy Corbyn: a modest man with a lot to be modest about.

  • @nestorsdragon8057
    @nestorsdragon8057 Před 7 lety

    #corbynisnotasocialist

  • @navillus15
    @navillus15 Před 9 lety

    I stopped listening to him and was just waiting for the next weird "pauerty."

  • @jillianbland
    @jillianbland Před 9 lety

    Knob ed

  • @waisislam6470
    @waisislam6470 Před 9 lety

    Find out why Ken Livingstone endorses #Corbyn4Leader czcams.com/video/ssz0Hb3qrRw/video.html

  • @huolalupin6008
    @huolalupin6008 Před 9 lety +1

    Well-chosen setting for this silly interview.

  • @garymarls
    @garymarls Před 6 lety

    Owen Jones hasn't got a clue - zero life experience...done nothing, and thinks he knows it all. Please Owen, start a business and show us how it's done - guarantee he'd be bankrupt in 2 mins

  • @politicalphilosophy-thegre3053

    *Utopia, by Thomas More*
    June, 1500 A.D
    University of Westminster Press
    1.1.1 *Book I. Chapter 1. Section 1.* Politics in London- How A State Should Treat Its People
    1.1.2 *Book I. Chapter 1. Section 2.* Paying The Populace Fairly
    1.1.3 *Book II.Chapter 1. Section 3.* How English Taxes Should Be Organised
    1.1.4 *Book II Chapter 2. Section 1.* Legal System
    1.1.5 *Book II Chapter 2. Section 1.* Cooperative Labour and Rights
    1.1.6 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 2.* Instruments of Justice
    1.1.7 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 3.* Towards a New England
    1.1.8 *Book III Chapter 2. Section 4.* Payments, Welfare And Reperations
    1.1.9 *Book III Chapter 3. Section 1.* Salary of Peasants and Wayfarers
    1.1.10 *Book III Chapter 3 .Section 2.* Education in the English Commonwealth

  • @TheBrazilianEagle
    @TheBrazilianEagle Před 9 lety +4

    George Galloway for London Mayor.