CX500 Build - Rae San Hall Effect Ignition Install / HOW-TO - EP48
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2020
- It is time to get the ignition side of things done on the CX500 build with a nice kit from Rae San in Australia. This is the hall effect kit for the GL650 engine which has pre-programmed ignition curves built into it to allow the removal of your old spring actuated advance mechanism. There are many kits available from Rae San so this kit may not be the exact unit you have but the installation will be similar regardless. My goal was to make this a very clear video with detailed views of the flywheel markings and how/why you set the pickup plate the way you do. Be sure to follow along as this bike nears completion!
Note: I did update this video as I gave incorrect information on setting the timing so I revised it to be accurate. Thank you to those who let me know!
Rae-San Ignition website:
www.rae-san.com/
Motofaction install information:
motofaction.org/motorcycles/h...
Ignition Coil Used:
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...
NUUT Morty PDM shown:
nuut.ca/morty2x/
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I dont know what i would do without your videos. This is the first "classic" bike ive tried to fix up, and id be lost without your videos.
Well I'm glad they are helpful!
Your channel is the ultimate guide for building a clean bike, thankyou for everything! My cx is on its way to being something I'm proud of because of your help
Wow thats very kind Matt! Thank you! Im glad the videos are helpful!
Was just gifted a 78 cx500. No ignition so came straight here to re-watch what you did to set my plan of attack on this bike. Now I have 3 bikes im working on! Thank you thank you !
happy to be of service!
12:00 really reminds me of timing a magneto with a buzz box.
Awesome explanation! Thanks for taking the time to share. This will help me out big time when I dig into my install.
Thanks Chris 🤘
Great explanation of old vs. new timing devices!
Glad you found it so!
The more I watch you upgrade electrical stuff on old bikes, the more I picture Howard Stark as the old Honda mechanics saying "I'm limited by the technology if my time" lol. This looks cool, I probably won't tackle this anytime soon but I just may in the future.
I hear ya. Just note that simply because I'm using it doesn't mean you need it. This is a performance oriented bike where I have made cylinder head changes, fabricated intake manifolds, port matched those, have upgraded carbs, and made a full stainless exhaust so I wanted to upgrade the ignition to take full advantage. It is not needed for an everyday bike
@@BrickHouseBuilds mine is definitely an everyday bike, but just hoping my other wiring doesn't go out but who knows that might not happen.
very helfpul, thanks, both the explanation about it all works and the information relating to the install. Thanks from UK
Hey I appreciate you watching! Thank you
Great video thanks. Just ordered my unit
Awesome!
Nice! I remember when this ign system was just a prototype. Nice to see it available now. My 80 CX500 was CDI. Running an IgniTech unit on it which has been good so far but I like this setup as well. I'd like to ditch the pulsar coils eventually.
So far it seems to be working well
I was able to get the metal cover off with the coolant bottle dangling in there, and once that metal cover was removed you are able to get the coolant bottle out. Little tight but doable. Jut got my Rae San kit yesterday so hoping to get it installed in the next few days. Re-watching this again to be more familiar with the install. 👍
Hola amigo soy de México,cuánto sale y como lo consigo
You got it Big Fella !
Its going to be quite a bike when she hits the road
Im excited! Im glad you said something in the last video. The window of fire was the same but the start and end points were off by just a tiny amount.
No problem mate I'm really happy with the Rae San ignition on my CX650 she revs out really nice The big advantage with the Rae San system is that it gets rid of all the old ignition parts on the CX's the only disadvantage which applies to all modern bikes is that you need a good battery if it goes flat you cant jump start it
A cool setup
Definitely 👍
Loving your channel my guy. Would love to know more about the Nuut products you've used. Seems like there site isn't very informative
Well they are updating it currently so it is very limited at the moment. They have about 20 products and only adding more. Definitely check out my fundamentals video as I talk more about them. Also feel free to email them and get more info that way as they are good to deal with.
Im having to open up my cx500 (with a TAI cdi ) and stumbled upon the RAE-SAN system because all electrics have died. It does completely replace the TAI-cdi units if i'm correct? I am however i am still struggleling with the coils, because TAI based systems have specific coils which have 2 instead of 1 wire coming out of them (am i making sense ?). The coil(s) on your AXE build only involves 1 wire to each side. The difference with a cdi-setup is the B/W wire. Or is that just some sort of ground (i read there is a diode in there somewhere that makes things different?) .
Anyway.... seems like a good upgrade to any cx/gl , and with your clear instructions easy enough to install
I'll send you an IG message for this one
Nice and very clear explanation! I´m from Argentina and just installed the full kit in my CX 1978. The system works fine but I have a failure around 2.5/3000 RPMs. Over those RPM, the engine accelerates correctly... Have you had any issue with the kit? It looks like an electronic issue but we couldn´t solve it. Maybe an eletric interference... Regards and congrats for your channel!
I would look to fuel and not ignition.
.kinda a dumb question but i also have the rae san ignition but i am running into a problem .. i bought these coils and the gas tank does not fit over the coils in the stock location and i see you are using a different looking style coil then i have . will this coil work on my bike as well ?ots a 1981 cx500
Hey Johnny, nothing is bolt on in regards to fitment. My coil, reg/rec, everything is mounted in a specific place using custom brackets. You will likely have to fabricate or modify your mounting brackets to get your coils to fit.
hey man! love this build.
quick question, did you have to change out the stator and / or regulator?
if so, which ones did you go with?
Thank you. I outlined those parts in the engine assembly video for the stator and the other video talking about mounting the reg/rec. Both not required for this ignition.
@@BrickHouseBuilds thanks!
Currently building my CX500 thanks to your awesome video's. I come back often and watch them over and over. I am lost on one thing however. Coil Packs. I can't seem to find a video where you mention it. Which coil packs and spark plug wires are you using? OEM Stock? Im about to start the wiring phase but im stuck on coil packs. Not sure what to do.
Well I do appreciate you watching the videos and am happy they are helpful. Once thing I must say though is DO NOT use parts just because I use them. This bike is unique and often required aftermarket stuff due to not having any factory components available for the engine retrofit. Remember its a GL650 engine in a CX500 frame so different ignition and charging system. I get so many emails from people buying the wrong parts because of my videos when they simply aren't needed and I hate to feel like I caused them wasted time and money.
Back to your question though I do show the coil and reg/rec when I mount them under the tank in an earlier episode. I used an Ultima single fire unit. If you have a stock CDI system you need to use your CDI coils. If you have a TI system you do have more options but I would save cash and just use your originals. If it ain't broke don't fix it sort of deal. I honestly have no idea what plug wires I used as made multiple changes there.
@@BrickHouseBuilds Thanks for getting back to my question. I was perhaps not clear. I watch all your video's. (I am enjoying your series on your new garage).
I bounce from video to video trying to learn. I understand that this bike is not the same as my CX500.
Missing info in my last message. I have installe Ricks Motorsport stator, new Reg/Rec, Rae San Hall Effect for my CX500 so my charging system is all up to date. Knowing that.... Should I still use the stock coils?
So Ray has a section in the lower part of the description where he talks about coils. He is the better person to ask here www.rae-san.com/cx-conversion-to-12v-hall/
Just ordered mine.The wires that run to the front,what are you attaching them too?Do I need to replace my spark plug coils with that part? Thanks
The diagrams are available on his website but everything is self contained so to speak. You have wiring from the pickup to the box and then output from the box to your coils. No you don't need to replace them. There is a single switched 12v wire to power the system.
can you clarify what kit you bought? they have too many options on the site and I'm not sure what I need, I just bought the same coil you used.
This is the hall effect kit. I would always refer to rae san for questions as he is the manufacturer
I’m having some difficulty understanding what all I need to upgrade my 1983 GL 650.
I want to do a full system upgrade, including Rae San ignition, coils, rectifier.. already have a moto gadget m unit and wiring setup.
Can you put together a shopping list? Would appreciate it.
Well in my reg/rec and coil video I link the ones I used as well as this here. It depends on what you want to do. The factory 650 ignition is pretty good but I of course wanted to try a few different things here. You don't need the exact coil I used or the reg/rec if you have a traditional battery
Nice. Can this system be supplemented with electronic injection?
At that point you would want to have a system that controls both fuel and spark like a microsquirt or something.
How do you find this kit? I've read alot on the forums and people saying it's known to fail? Just getting first hand info before pulling the trigger on it.
There have indeed been a few people with some failing parts but I believe Ray has made corrections on that. Seems like there was a batch about a year ago that may have been failing. If you just go to www.rae-san.com you can see all of the items he offers.
I’m currently doing a Rae San conversion on 1980 model cx500.
I bought new coils on eBay that are 3.1 ohms resistance but checking up different online manuals. One source says coil resistance should be less than 1.5 ohms, while another says resistance 2 to 4 ohms?
There is nothing in Honda manual on resistance spec
What would you suggest to be acceptable?
Ray of rae san has a chart of compatible coils for his kits as far as what resistance you want.
Hey mate, what mono shock did you use I have a '82 cx500 euro
This one is a modified Ducati 900ss shock but the European chassis is completely different
Nice job bro..i have a cx 500 honda the problem is that ignition stock is damage how can i avail that rae san ingnition system
Im sorry I don't understand the question. What are you wanting to do?
On a GL650.....the engine has to come out to replace the stator and to remove the coolant recovery tank?
At least to replace the stator yes
If i buy this system . What partsdo i need to keep eg stator stator piskups cdi. Mine is a Honda cx500 1978 Thankyou
As there are multiple systems available id refer to the Rae San website as well as motofaction.org to gauge what may be the best combo for you. Since yours is a 78 CDI model it is starting out from a different point than this bike which had the later TI system.
Love from Nepal bro
Hello from the midwest!
How well do you think the circuit board will hold up to engine heat ?
Hard to say. Its not an uncommon thing for aftermarket ignition systems.
@@BrickHouseBuilds . Oh i forgot to comment on the custom intakes. Thought i saw a comment you made them ? Anyhow what is your expectations on horsepower and or torque for the new setup ?
Actually have a dyno video linked here. Lots of videos after this one of the build progressing.
czcams.com/video/UtUJl3p5ILs/video.html
@@BrickHouseBuilds ok thanks. CZcams videos kind jump around. I need to pay attention to the timelines :)
What if I just wanted to get the Rae San unit box and keep my old ignition system. would that work?
No. This is a system with all components designed to work together. Your stock ignition operates in a different way
@@BrickHouseBuilds now what if I still have my original Cdi box and the original ignition system but I wanted to connect it to those ignition coils that you have in your video would that be ok
@@adrianpalacios864 no, cdi coils are very different than what I used. Again they operate differently. Do you have an issue with your ignition? If it works fine just keep using it.
@@BrickHouseBuilds my ignition system works fine the only thing I swapped were the coils. I have the same “ULTIMA 12v coils” you bought and installed
Which ignition coil do you use?
I used an Ultima coil. I show it back in EP11. It is not necessary but I like trying new stuff. If your factory TI coils are good just use those. czcams.com/video/TYL9pYbg8as/video.html
The Clymer manual is filled with incorrect info and definitely isn't a FSM.
I wouldn't disagree there as of course a factory manual is far more in depth but these have good information and can help you through most any item you are working on. Common sense must be used as well.