In my highschool a few students started a pagan club. It was kind if awesome in that it existed just to make a school sanctioned t-shirt. Long story short, our school district made a rule that no one was allowed to wear t-shirts, except for school shirts (clubs, sports ect...) And our principal was very opposed to this, as she felt it violated student rights, and was a waste of time for the administration to police, so she basically approved any and all clubs, many of which existed just to design a shirt, sell it, and never met again. There were TWO Christian clubs. One was fairly innocuous, the Christian athletes association, they were all there to pad their resumes. The other we're The Christian Warriors. They we're hateful, preachy, and did things like have prayer sit inside during the gay club. Just really awful people, who proudly shoved their beliefs in people's faces at school. So the people who created the pagan club decided that fair was fair, and that the non Christian presence should also be visible. They were a mixed bunch of atheists, satanists, and honest to goodness pagans, who created this fantastic design with a goat skull, pentagram, and our schools name brazenly across the top. Our principal, didn't bat an eye, approved it and people got to wear their shirts. It REALLY pissed of the Christian Warriors, they we're practically foaming. And the "pagans" just smiled and said that they had just as much right to express their beliefs. This was in the middle of Texas too, truly beautiful.
TheCyberwoman No no. I hate you because you purposely partially did that to "hurt" christians. Im not hurt by this, do whatever the fuck you want. But don't do it with partial intent to hurt me. NOTE as i said partial. Lets be honest they partially did.
CAT LORD Dude, hate me if you want. I was just telling an anecdote from ten years ago. I was Christian at the time, did not buy one of the t-shirts, but DID get a damn good laugh out of seeing the Christian Warriors butt hurt over t-shirts. At the time I enjoyed it because I thought the Christian Warriors hateful and poor representations of the love christianity is supposed to profess. So it was fun to see them get knocked down a peg. Now, I know they were excellent representatives of the faith.
CAT LORD and if we're being honest, it did hurt you. Otherwise you wouldn't hate me for telling a dumb highschool story. And you're painting an entire group of children (not anymore, but when it happened) with the same brush. I can tell you that some of them did it expressly to get under the Christian Warriors skin, and others were of the hippy Earth child pagan variety who sincerely wanted to express their alternative beliefs. Not a lot of pagans out there, hence why they collaborated with the satanists and atheists.
TheCyberwoman hey man i just realize how dumb "hate" sounded. Was not at all the intention i tried portraying. I'm just tired and anxious. I don't hate you nor that group who did that, i simply tried correcting something and ended up incorrectly and badly portraying myself. Sorry.
TheCyberwoman also religion is a free and open practice. You can say whatever you want to whoever you want whenever you want! It didn't hurt me i was just worried to see that you or the group was trying to purposely do this with intent of "harm" i don't... really care what anyone does tbh. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else negatively then that's okay. (Of course "negatively" is a debatable term to which one can set a degree or line in which something is considered negative towards them)
Sadly, the battle goes beyond death. Mormons baptize dead people with no regard of their beliefs. It happened to Mitt Romney's father in law, an outspoken atheist.
+markj6700. So you'd be OK with me going to the cemetery and performing a Satanic ritual on your dead relative's grave? Even though both you and the deceased are complete strangers to me and you knew the person buried there would not want such a service done by people he/she never even knew? You think that anybody can just dance or have sex on anybody's grave just beause they declare it to be a religious ritual? Most cemeteries wouldn't allow such an outrage even if people wanted to do it on the graves of their own relatives who had consented to it - let alone to desecrate the graves of complete strangers because of their disagreement with her son's activities.
Gage Blackwood who cares, the dead don't care or no, if they are doing fake rituals fake, the only thing that matters really is the living that we know about, but if they are cought doing anything like trespassing or doing property crime, they could be arrested and should be, but that the dead bodies know anything about satanic fake rituals happening above the grave, rituals don't do anything
When I read the TST Tenants of Conduct, I had to join. I am a former Catholic, Evangelical, and Pentacostal Christian. After 50 years in Church Curtal, I took on a few different flavors. I use the TST banners as curtains. I de-converted a few years ago for several reasons. I have felt the harm religion has done to me and society. So, if one can't eliminate religion, then I want to help give voice to non-religion. I am a member and supporter of TST and FFRF.
Greetings from a fellow follower of TST. I know it's a little pedantic of me, but I need to point out that the word is 'TENET' not Tenant. It's an error commonly made, even among the TST membership, but I feel if we can all avoid making errors of this nature the more credibility we will have.
If anyone told you that you can learn about God only from other people, they gave you wrong info. God and the truth will come to you only when we seek him
chakre katia The ‘Truth’ is - man created god. That is why there are so many gods. Which imaginary god are you referring? noun: the truth that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
I've been checking out the channels of the Thinking Atheist, Atheist Experience and so on since the beginning. I'm from The Netherlands in Europe and I have been an atheist my whole life. And I'm so fascinated by this whole thing going on in the USA when it comes to religion. I just cannot believe you have things like the Ark Encounter, the Creation Museum, "Creation Science" the Mormons etc etc. on top of the crazy shit you have inherited from Europe (Catholicism, Christianity etc). It goes so against all wisdom your founding fathers gained from the mistakes Europe had made at the time of the foundation of the USA. Keep up the good work resisting and counteracting to it!
For those that do not know grandmotherweb/Charlotte was the sole 'protester' when the Satanic Temple Headquarters opened in Salem, Mass last year. I had the displeasure of interacting (to put it politely) with her in person and on the phone while working at the HQ. She makes Alex Jones look like a legit journalist with the amount of crazy she carries in her pockets.
So... the right way to say hi to a Satanist is "hello fellow Heretic"? Nice to know... And sarcasm aside I always wondered "who was the good guy in that fantastic ideology: God or The Devil...", after all God is quite terrible, he just got a better PR management than The Devil... lol
Great interview as usual. I have seen the things he has done in the past and did not pay attention to who his group were but i am glad they are there . Religion needs to be put in its place sometimes.
i like the baphomet because i like goats. 🐐 goats are cute, and if the baphomet stood before me, i'd most likely pet it and feed it delicious goat food, like fabric and paper... that is all.
juggalo1 Sure but it's one thing to trust your remote to a simpleton and another, a life or anything more complex. :-) Edit: You know what, you're right. I just hope people like that don't vote, that's all...play with you goats honey, it's all good.
To the first caller's question I will add: They will call you a Satanist no matter what. Are you an atheist? Then you'll be called a Satanist. Are you gay? Then someone will call you a Satanist. Are you gothy, do you listen to metal, do you play Dungeons & Dragons, are you a feminist, did you vote for Hillary Clinton? Somewhere out there, someone is waiting to label you a Satanist. Whether you accept or reject the term makes not one bit of difference. From 1692 to today, the trend is consistent: Not actually being a Satanist has never protected any American from the stigma of Satanism.
I get crap for this but I would consider myself an atheistic Germanic pagan because I feel connected to my culture, the rituals feel very meditative and I appreciate the lessons that the lore has to tell but I think it would be ridiculous to literally believe in the pantheon. I also have adopted a satanic philosophy that takes both aspects of both the church of satan and the satanic temple. I kind of hate religious elitism and the idea that religion can't be more philosophical and traditional than literal in practice.
Have you people any idea how far removed from reality this sounds to a European ? I will admire anybody who fights against religion (which as we know, poisons everything !) But man, who man ! It is hard to fathom what happens in the US. You people need your drinking water checked ! Toodles Paddy
In some places they really do need their drinking water checked! Remember that until probably the 19th century most of the white people who migrated to America did so because they were fleeing or were kicked out of Europe due to their religious extremism. I'm Canadian and we're quite similar to Americans but we tend to be less intense about everything. I often describe us by saying "Think of an American. Now turn the volume down a few notches. That's basically a Canadian."
Love the interviews with these interesting people you've had on recently. The Ron Miscavige one was actually intense, I felt like I was listening to an exciting audio book for a few minutes. Keep it up, Seth!
Yes, 8th Sun. Congratulations, you've just pointed out something that almost every Satanist already understands. You obviously didn't even listen to a minute of this interview, but I can understand that, intelligent conversation can be quite bewildering to the slow mind. Better to just read the headlines and go from there, right?
The Jewish idea of Satan is more like the Book of Job where Satan is an agent of God, bound by God. Only in the later religions such as Christianity does Satan suddenly become a full-blown supervillain. LOL.
Christians, maybe I should really call them "churchgoers" break their own rules all the time. Heck, even lying, no matter how trivial, can be interpreted as sin because the prohibition against bearing false witness can extend to lying.
"Trumps going to keep you busy" Trump should be keeping everyone busy. Healthcare, education, environment, infrastructure - these aren't partisan issues. I hope people aren't relying on TST or anyone else to protect their hard-earned and endangered civil liberties.
44:50 - Flying Spaghetti Monster (AKA: Pastafarianism) is now a recognized religion in 13 countries. As an Oregonian, I'm proud that it was invented by a U of O graduate from the Physics department...in order to urge the Kansas State Board of Education to (in the spirit of their, "Teach the different beliefs about how we got here," argument) divide their Science classes' time equally between Intelligent Design (AKA: Creationism), Pastafarianism, and, "...logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence." Thanks, Bobby Henderson! Regarding D.I.D. - For clarification, does he believe it's not a real condition, or was he simply pointing out that _some_ conspiracists attach _not real_ causal conjecture to it?
57:21 Richard Dawkins said similar things about not wanting that direct attention on himself, but does it to get attention on issues he cares about. I can't find the quote in the few minutes of googling I just did now to find the interview again, so consider my comment hearsay.
No one seems to be aware that the fourth caller was Aleksandr Kolpakov, the man who only two months later was arrested for the murder of his co-host and romantic partner, Heather Anable.
I have been really looking into tst a lot lately... and how fucking awesome. I love what they’re doing and would be so stoked to do anything I can to get involved. Hail Satan!
I vocalised how this arizona temple abused my friends and in comments below here you can see someone wrote "cry us a river", obviously they do not care it's all neglect and abuse. I hope the government shuts them down. Contact me if you need my help.
I am not the idiot, I am also not a punk. I am not the mentally challenged one. I have reported you 3 times and I will continue to do so until you are silenced or removed.
The pentagram on the statue's head really tickled my 'OCD-feelings', for lack of a better word. It is off center. Not only that, it is also upside down and thus not even a satanic symbol (the opposite actually). I though to myself whoever commissioned it, had no idea what they were doing. Then it dawned on me: What if it was on purpose to actually 'tickle people's OCD-feelings', now that would actually be satanic. *slowclap respect.
Is the pentegram off center deliberately? I'm wondering if asymmetry is specifically significant to the satanic temple? Or does it appear off center because it is centered over something else and you're using the wrong reference point? I'm not trying to be condescending or mocking, I'm curious about this. Hopefully someone knows.
One thing about his discussion of the monument that is so funny is the reaction of Christians in fear and anger at the Baphomet symbolism. Of course as a secular, humanist, non-theist it's not frightening to him, but Christians really fear Satan and Satanism. Why should they fear Satan? Isn't it their religion that dictates that God has already conquered Satan? Isn't it their religion that dictates that their God is the all-powerful one, against whose will no power can prevail? And yet it's like in the back of their mind, they fear that Satan may really prove the ultimate hero and victor in the story.
Why am I considered offensive for wanting a Dark Lord? Though one of my own choosing.. I like that title.. it appeals to my nature.. and sense of humour. Yessss my Dark Lord.. ?? Yet why anyone thinks they get to choose who that is had me fucked.. just not in the good way. I wasn't actually mocking those who believe in differing things.. I just like a man who isn't too good all the time because he would be more accepting of my own not too good at times. Being good all the time is tiresome. I never was very good at it and I guess that's why I would keep leaving church. I didn't feel I was allowed to be honest about who I am or speak in a more honest way that is true to who I am. It doesn't mean I'm evil.. I just don't like fakery.
11:30 I understand the desire for a united atheist mindset, but atheism at it's core is an absence of something. It isn't a belief, it's an absence of belief, and as such doesn't actually include any standard traits. The things that unite people are the presence of beliefs and principles, not the absence of them. Atheists agree with each other on one thing, and one thing alone. The rest of the traits displayed by any one atheist aren't attributed to atheism, they are attributed to other facets of that person's belief system.
That isn't necessarily true, but it accurately describes a lot of atheists. I tend to think of it as "smart people shut up and mind their own business, idiots demand that everyone drop what they're doing and take sides in their drama"
I'm surprised there's not a mass of "real satanism isn't theistic" in the comment section. I'm laVeyan, but it's no skin off my back if someone else misses the point of the club.
"Jesus Killer"? Don't be ridiculous! There have been many criticisms of religious teaching, they've barely dented faith! If religion dies it will be by slow bleeding, not a sudden blow caused by a book by some intellectual!
Wait... hold on. At 27:08, Lucien seems to imply that church speakers shouldn't have free reign to state their political opinions at the pulpit. Does anyone know what he means by that? That sounds an awful lot like an egregious infringement on freedom of speech, but I don't want to mischaracterize him.
That's not a policy, that's a sentiment. Could you expound? Because that sounds vaguely authoritarian. Separation of church and state does not mean pastors can't comment on politics, it means the government can't favor a religion.
It has always been a law, restricting those whom received the tax free benefit, not to politic from the pulpit. Here is a link to the code. There is a lot of case law on point that has deemed this to be constitutional and not infringe upon the Constitution, nor any Amendment, thereto. Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.
It's because churches are 501c3 organizations. 501c3's cannot support political activities but 501c4's can support political activities. That's why planned parenthood has 2 organizations a c3 and a c4 to campaign for pro choice laws/candidates. Not many people know that's illegal for churches to promote political candidates.
21:01 This strikes me as nonsensical: "atheistic christians, atheistic jews, atheistic muslims..." These are like "married bachelors", "living dead", and "squared circles". They cannot be, by definition, if we are talking about religion. Furthermore, christians & muslims aren't a "race", and it goes without saying that any and all religions have their own unique cultures. How do you believe in jesus yet reject the idea of any gods? If you embrace the christian story yet acknowledge that it's a myth, then you aren't a christian. I don't see this method as any pathway to truth, and not very productive in the challenge we, as atheists, face.
Redneck Hillbilly "it goes without saying that any and all religions have their own unique cultures" it becomes entirely cultural, traditional and sociable. I miss the singing, inspirational sermons, the reverence and emotion surrounding communion.
There are a lot of atheistic Jews who choose to identify with the Jewish culture rather than the religion. I really don't see any problem with that. I mean you can't deny that a very large portion of the US sees Christianity as a cultural identity rather than an ideology.
One thing I didn't get from the interview (3/4 through it as I write) but what is the meaning of the Baphomet's holding up two fingers? The old Cub Scout den leader in me first thought "oh cool, Baphomet is a Cub Scout." Lol. Anybody know?
24:21 All cakes are gay... in so far as they have no gender that logically means they have the same gender.... so if a cake could fuck another cake then obviously they must be gay.. QED all cakes are gay... I'm not sure if that is logically consistent but it sounds funny...
I totally get it Lucien and respect what The Satanic Temple is trying to accomplish! Seth, you're awesome, and I have enjoyed all of your presentations I've seen thus far!
I'm not an atheist, nor a thinking atheist, and I'm not a Satanist, my thinking is related, I'm a Gnostic Luciferian, I believe in several gods including rah and Horus even though I don't worship all the gods in my cult. In case you can't tell it's not my own invention, and it's not about inventing, it's about ancient rituals before Christianity and after Satanism. The "point" of this is rejection of external rules for its own sake, because it's on one group's side and not the other, the programmed evil of tradition, it's a lot like Satanism with similar anti-rules and anti-dogma, dogma is defined as accepted rules as of ego, education, law, and morality, it's the most simple cult in the world, all you need to do is commit to devilry and be an amoral bastard, it's neither about being good or evil, it's got a point and it's hard to understand what the "point" is, even with Satanism.
They should designate certain countries to specific religions and if you dont believe in that religion .. Dont live there.. Some argue this is already happening.. But having and influence on a a country and imposing your believes vs having a country centered around a religion might make a difference ... But I dont think America is going to just drop the Judeo-Christian influence any time soon.. Its everywhere ..
I do wish Seth asked Lucien about Peter Gilmore's comments on the ST. and what his (Greaves) feelings are about Gilmore going on Bob Larson's program ,& the rest of his (Gilmore) other work during the Satanic Panic, considering those comments
Susan Hepler Really Insignificant? When have any other of these Satanists published any books on the subject? Peter Gilmore seems like a very ok guy to me... in fact the COS could not have survived another spooky to serious to like LaVey himself. Why the Gilmore bashing? I actually like Lucien Greaves and Gilmore both. Why is that a problem?
@@elitisteugenics4469 I like lavey and greaves too. Gilmore is ok. I just leave out the occult shit but Lavey was the father of atheistic Satanism imo.
Muslim says it was Allah who created human being then i want to know who created Allah and known and obvious answer is dreams of a man called muhmmad and Muhammad was born like you and me.hope argument should end here but if muslim say that inorganic compound called Allah created Adam and Eve and they are the first human then will like to know whether they were Theophilus ,Homo erectus, nenderthalensis ,or homosapiens
i just don't understand how you can live as long as you have/seen&been through events that you have in your life/being as intelligent as you seem & not be a theistic Satanist.
... I don't have a Personal Jesus, - I didn't even know you could buy those ! ... I ALSO don't have a Personal Satan - if I did, I'd ask my Doctor for some penicillin and I'd grab a few bottles of Jim Beam, some good Cuban cigars and hide out in my Library for a week or so ... I DO like to practice Personal Hygiene, however ... Don't wanna go to Hell AND have smelly pits - Ugh !
I won't be surprised if Lucien Greaves become a powerful Christian preacher. God can do the impossible 🙏 I, on behalf of those still in the faith ask for pardon for forcing you to look for love and meaning in the wrong place. Praying for all of us. The good news is, we can hope for salvation as long as we are alive.
fools errand snafu...an delegates in some unbeknownst stupefied translucent haul off... pardon my choice ov words LUCIEN...big bunch of badass shit out there
In my highschool a few students started a pagan club. It was kind if awesome in that it existed just to make a school sanctioned t-shirt. Long story short, our school district made a rule that no one was allowed to wear t-shirts, except for school shirts (clubs, sports ect...) And our principal was very opposed to this, as she felt it violated student rights, and was a waste of time for the administration to police, so she basically approved any and all clubs, many of which existed just to design a shirt, sell it, and never met again. There were TWO Christian clubs. One was fairly innocuous, the Christian athletes association, they were all there to pad their resumes. The other we're The Christian Warriors. They we're hateful, preachy, and did things like have prayer sit inside during the gay club. Just really awful people, who proudly shoved their beliefs in people's faces at school. So the people who created the pagan club decided that fair was fair, and that the non Christian presence should also be visible. They were a mixed bunch of atheists, satanists, and honest to goodness pagans, who created this fantastic design with a goat skull, pentagram, and our schools name brazenly across the top. Our principal, didn't bat an eye, approved it and people got to wear their shirts. It REALLY pissed of the Christian Warriors, they we're practically foaming. And the "pagans" just smiled and said that they had just as much right to express their beliefs. This was in the middle of Texas too, truly beautiful.
TheCyberwoman No no. I hate you because you purposely partially did that to "hurt" christians. Im not hurt by this, do whatever the fuck you want. But don't do it with partial intent to hurt me.
NOTE as i said partial.
Lets be honest they partially did.
CAT LORD Dude, hate me if you want. I was just telling an anecdote from ten years ago. I was Christian at the time, did not buy one of the t-shirts, but DID get a damn good laugh out of seeing the Christian Warriors butt hurt over t-shirts. At the time I enjoyed it because I thought the Christian Warriors hateful and poor representations of the love christianity is supposed to profess. So it was fun to see them get knocked down a peg. Now, I know they were excellent representatives of the faith.
CAT LORD and if we're being honest, it did hurt you. Otherwise you wouldn't hate me for telling a dumb highschool story. And you're painting an entire group of children (not anymore, but when it happened) with the same brush. I can tell you that some of them did it expressly to get under the Christian Warriors skin, and others were of the hippy Earth child pagan variety who sincerely wanted to express their alternative beliefs. Not a lot of pagans out there, hence why they collaborated with the satanists and atheists.
TheCyberwoman hey man i just realize how dumb "hate" sounded. Was not at all the intention i tried portraying. I'm just tired and anxious. I don't hate you nor that group who did that, i simply tried correcting something and ended up incorrectly and badly portraying myself. Sorry.
TheCyberwoman also religion is a free and open practice. You can say whatever you want to whoever you want whenever you want!
It didn't hurt me i was just worried to see that you or the group was trying to purposely do this with intent of "harm" i don't... really care what anyone does tbh. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else negatively then that's okay. (Of course "negatively" is a debatable term to which one can set a degree or line in which something is considered negative towards them)
I'm a fan of anyone that trolls the westboro baptist church.
Sadly, the battle goes beyond death. Mormons baptize dead people with no regard of their beliefs. It happened to Mitt Romney's father in law, an outspoken atheist.
+markj6700. So you'd be OK with me going to the cemetery and performing a Satanic ritual on your dead relative's grave? Even though both you and the deceased are complete strangers to me and you knew the person buried there would not want such a service done by people he/she never even knew? You think that anybody can just dance or have sex on anybody's grave just beause they declare it to be a religious ritual? Most cemeteries wouldn't allow such an outrage even if people wanted to do it on the graves of their own relatives who had consented to it - let alone to desecrate the graves of complete strangers because of their disagreement with her son's activities.
Gage Blackwood who cares, the dead don't care or no, if they are doing fake rituals fake, the only thing that matters really is the living that we know about, but if they are cought doing anything like trespassing or doing property crime, they could be arrested and should be, but that the dead bodies know anything about satanic fake rituals happening above the grave, rituals don't do anything
PRHILL9696 no we don't, they are as false and fake as theist, same shit different side of the same coin
"Church" in their case is a lose term.
When I read the TST Tenants of Conduct, I had to join. I am a former Catholic, Evangelical, and Pentacostal Christian. After 50 years in Church Curtal, I took on a few different flavors. I use the TST banners as curtains. I de-converted a few years ago for several reasons. I have felt the harm religion has done to me and society. So, if one can't eliminate religion, then I want to help give voice to non-religion. I am a member and supporter of TST and FFRF.
Greetings from a fellow follower of TST. I know it's a little pedantic of me, but I need to point out that the word is 'TENET' not Tenant. It's an error commonly made, even among the TST membership, but I feel if we can all avoid making errors of this nature the more credibility we will have.
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Lucien Greaves’ way of using mythology to confront theists is brilliant.
he is a brilliant man
Yeppers 😁 HAIL SATAN 🤘
True although it's basically Lavey updated and more involved in social issues.
SAIL HATAN!
I'm Sitting in an English church near London listening to this program on my head phones. TOTAL ANARCHY...!
Great show guys. Thank you.
Be careful, the ceiling might fall on you :D
There's someone sitting in a church? In England? Do you go to a religious school?
If anyone told you that you can learn about God only from other people, they gave you wrong info.
God and the truth will come to you only when we seek him
chakre katia
The ‘Truth’ is - man created god.
That is why there are so many gods. Which imaginary god are you referring?
noun: the truth
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
@@JayFe0 Yeah theres lots of churches in England.
I've been checking out the channels of the Thinking Atheist, Atheist Experience and so on since the beginning. I'm from The Netherlands in Europe and I have been an atheist my whole life. And I'm so fascinated by this whole thing going on in the USA when it comes to religion. I just cannot believe you have things like the Ark Encounter, the Creation Museum, "Creation Science" the Mormons etc etc. on top of the crazy shit you have inherited from Europe (Catholicism, Christianity etc). It goes so against all wisdom your founding fathers gained from the mistakes Europe had made at the time of the foundation of the USA. Keep up the good work resisting and counteracting to it!
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I've hung out with Lucien a few times and he is a really bright guy. Also if you test him on werewolf movie trivia he will beat you every time.
If you ever get the chance to go to the Salem Art Gallery you might run into him or me there since I make semi-frequent trips there.
He's not there a lot since he has a very busy schedule so it would be more of a luck of the draw sort of thing.
Uh huh...And you got actual proof of this or did you hear/imagine it? McMartin was proven a hoax after a very long investigation.
Oh wait, I know who this is. Hi Charlotte. New puppet account?
For those that do not know grandmotherweb/Charlotte was the sole 'protester' when the Satanic Temple Headquarters opened in Salem, Mass last year. I had the displeasure of interacting (to put it politely) with her in person and on the phone while working at the HQ. She makes Alex Jones look like a legit journalist with the amount of crazy she carries in her pockets.
This is one eloquent guy.
I'm not a Satanist but I don't appreciate interviewers being disrespectful to Mr. Greaves when conducting an interview. Show some class
Lucien , that has to be one of the coolest names known to man!
If you're gonna be a Satanist, that's the name to have. Either that, or you have to work in the Ministry of Magic.
Peter Wyetzner my fathers name is Lucius
Peter Wyetzner
I thought Damien was the ultimate Satanist name.
David marzolino I’m thinking of naming my 1st born Lucien. Just comes the mouth so smooth
I wonder if it's the name his parents gave him or if he changed it, or if it's his middle name or a slight variation on his given name.
Great seeing them keeping real Satanism alive and active! We need more atheists like this
YESSSSSSS I was the one who liked this video for the 666th time! Hail Satan! :p
Daring,bold, a true rebel.
I want to like your comment, but I don’t want it to have anymore than 6 likes! 😆
Yes! That makes perfect sense. Like a video that is actually anti-female!
Tim Rubin Halcomb wherethecinnamontoastfuck did that come from?
Jesus loves you
So... the right way to say hi to a Satanist is "hello fellow Heretic"?
Nice to know...
And sarcasm aside I always wondered "who was the good guy in that fantastic ideology: God or The Devil...", after all God is quite terrible, he just got a better PR management than The Devil... lol
Great interview as usual.
I have seen the things he has done in the past and did not pay attention to who his group were but i am glad they are there .
Religion needs to be put in its place sometimes.
I was there in the 80's listening to satanic music, oh wait, I still do... SLAYER
i like the baphomet because i like goats. 🐐 goats are cute, and if the baphomet stood before me, i'd most likely pet it and feed it delicious goat food, like fabric and paper... that is all.
Simpleton
Nothing wrong with simplicity.
juggalo1 Sure but it's one thing to trust your remote to a simpleton and another, a life or anything more complex. :-)
Edit: You know what, you're right. I just hope people like that don't vote, that's all...play with you goats honey, it's all good.
Messy Wardrobe The person just made a comment. Geez it doesn't have to become a political debate.
LMAO....I like yr style. I like goats as well!
His response to the first question was beautiful and has a poetic feeling to it.
He sounds like a really intelligent man. And I like his name.
He went to Harvard
@@chizzitz2110 I figured. Know he is smart. HAIL SATAN 🤘
That is not his real name.
@@sr2291 I kind of figured that.
I was going to like this video but it's at 666 likes so I don't want to be the one to fuck that up.
Looks like someone f'd that up already. Let's see if we can get your comment to 666 likes instead.
Now THAT'S an AWESOME episode!!! Lucien, you are cool man! Way to enlighten our ways, brother!
To the first caller's question I will add: They will call you a Satanist no matter what. Are you an atheist? Then you'll be called a Satanist. Are you gay? Then someone will call you a Satanist. Are you gothy, do you listen to metal, do you play Dungeons & Dragons, are you a feminist, did you vote for Hillary Clinton? Somewhere out there, someone is waiting to label you a Satanist. Whether you accept or reject the term makes not one bit of difference.
From 1692 to today, the trend is consistent: Not actually being a Satanist has never protected any American from the stigma of Satanism.
@April Williams: As if not being a Satanist has ever guarded anyone from accusations of Satanism.
I get crap for this but I would consider myself an atheistic Germanic pagan because I feel connected to my culture, the rituals feel very meditative and I appreciate the lessons that the lore has to tell but I think it would be ridiculous to literally believe in the pantheon. I also have adopted a satanic philosophy that takes both aspects of both the church of satan and the satanic temple. I kind of hate religious elitism and the idea that religion can't be more philosophical and traditional than literal in practice.
Have you people any idea how far removed from reality this sounds to a European ?
I will admire anybody who fights against religion (which as we know, poisons everything !) But man, who man ! It is hard to fathom what happens in the US.
You people need your drinking water checked !
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As a Dutch citizen I agree with this completely!
The sane Americans feel the same..
In some places they really do need their drinking water checked! Remember that until probably the 19th century most of the white people who migrated to America did so because they were fleeing or were kicked out of Europe due to their religious extremism.
I'm Canadian and we're quite similar to Americans but we tend to be less intense about everything. I often describe us by saying "Think of an American. Now turn the volume down a few notches. That's basically a Canadian."
Excellent talk with an interesting, intelligent guy. Bravo, Seth! 👍
That was an amazing interview.
I love Lucien and his Satanic Temple!
There is no LOVE, satanism is about HATE. All the demons in HELL hate each other fool.
I agree. You do interview well. Great episode. Thanks for your work.
Love the interviews with these interesting people you've had on recently. The Ron Miscavige one was actually intense, I felt like I was listening to an exciting audio book for a few minutes. Keep it up, Seth!
666 Views. Hell yeah!
Yes, 8th Sun. Congratulations, you've just pointed out something that almost every Satanist already understands. You obviously didn't even listen to a minute of this interview, but I can understand that, intelligent conversation can be quite bewildering to the slow mind. Better to just read the headlines and go from there, right?
8th Sun it's meant to bring balance to the dominant Christian ideology
ASMRyouVEGANyet? Then why out of all names choose "SATANism"
The more I heard about the satanic views the more I agree with them
The Jewish idea of Satan is more like the Book of Job where Satan is an agent of God, bound by God. Only in the later religions such as Christianity does Satan suddenly become a full-blown supervillain. LOL.
TST should check out Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, who are looking to get money out of politics, and also support church-state separation.
Don't the death threats break a commandment on that monument they're fighting to support? Pretty sure it does. " You sin in thought, word, and deed. "
Christians, maybe I should really call them "churchgoers" break their own rules all the time. Heck, even lying, no matter how trivial, can be interpreted as sin because the prohibition against bearing false witness can extend to lying.
@April Williams Doesn't give the bad ones an excuse to be an asshole tho. They know better. They know what there doing.
"Trumps going to keep you busy" Trump should be keeping everyone busy. Healthcare, education, environment, infrastructure - these aren't partisan issues. I hope people aren't relying on TST or anyone else to protect their hard-earned and endangered civil liberties.
44:50 - Flying Spaghetti Monster (AKA: Pastafarianism) is now a recognized religion in 13 countries. As an Oregonian, I'm proud that it was invented by a U of O graduate from the Physics department...in order to urge the Kansas State Board of Education to (in the spirit of their, "Teach the different beliefs about how we got here," argument) divide their Science classes' time equally between Intelligent Design (AKA: Creationism), Pastafarianism, and, "...logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence." Thanks, Bobby Henderson!
Regarding D.I.D. - For clarification, does he believe it's not a real condition, or was he simply pointing out that _some_ conspiracists attach _not real_ causal conjecture to it?
57:21 Richard Dawkins said similar things about not wanting that direct attention on himself, but does it to get attention on issues he cares about. I can't find the quote in the few minutes of googling I just did now to find the interview again, so consider my comment hearsay.
No one seems to be aware that the fourth caller was Aleksandr Kolpakov, the man who only two months later was arrested for the murder of his co-host and romantic partner, Heather Anable.
Curious. Never heard of him. How about some link or something?
I have been really looking into tst a lot lately... and how fucking awesome. I love what they’re doing and would be so stoked to do anything I can to get involved.
Hail Satan!
I'm with you there Lis. They're doing everything right. Any door opened for religious privilege is available for them to use too.
I vocalised how this arizona temple abused my friends and in comments below here you can see someone wrote "cry us a river", obviously they do not care it's all neglect and abuse. I hope the government shuts them down.
Contact me if you need my help.
I am not the idiot, I am also not a punk. I am not the mentally challenged one. I have reported you 3 times and I will continue to do so until you are silenced or removed.
Gee, that only sounds a tad authoritarian on your part
I agree with the guy on much... reproductive rights Mississippi should be checked into...
great conversation!
Such a great interview!!👍🏼
HAHAH When I first saw this in my subscription page it said it had gotten 666 views.
The pentagram on the statue's head really tickled my 'OCD-feelings', for lack of a better word. It is off center. Not only that, it is also upside down and thus not even a satanic symbol (the opposite actually). I though to myself whoever commissioned it, had no idea what they were doing. Then it dawned on me: What if it was on purpose to actually 'tickle people's OCD-feelings', now that would actually be satanic.
*slowclap respect.
Have you ever seen a Baphomet picture? The pentagram was always "upside down"
Is the pentegram off center deliberately? I'm wondering if asymmetry is specifically significant to the satanic temple? Or does it appear off center because it is centered over something else and you're using the wrong reference point? I'm not trying to be condescending or mocking, I'm curious about this. Hopefully someone knows.
Hail Santa!
One thing about his discussion of the monument that is so funny is the reaction of Christians in fear and anger at the Baphomet symbolism. Of course as a secular, humanist, non-theist it's not frightening to him, but Christians really fear Satan and Satanism. Why should they fear Satan? Isn't it their religion that dictates that God has already conquered Satan? Isn't it their religion that dictates that their God is the all-powerful one, against whose will no power can prevail? And yet it's like in the back of their mind, they fear that Satan may really prove the ultimate hero and victor in the story.
christians are so funny to watch
Why are these comments the opposite of what Seth reads from his mail and hears from listeners calling in?
It is sad seeing how some atheists here act
Why am I considered offensive for wanting a Dark Lord?
Though one of my own choosing..
I like that title.. it appeals to my nature.. and sense of humour.
Yessss my Dark Lord.. ??
Yet why anyone thinks they get to choose who that is had me fucked.. just not in the good way.
I wasn't actually mocking those who believe in differing things..
I just like a man who isn't too good all the time because he would be more accepting of my own not too good at times.
Being good all the time is tiresome. I never was very good at it and I guess that's why I would keep leaving church. I didn't feel I was allowed to be honest about who I am or speak in a more honest way that is true to who I am. It doesn't mean I'm evil.. I just don't like fakery.
Most christians are just deluding themselves. If you've read even a tenth of the old testament it's clear that god's a dark lord too.
11:30 I understand the desire for a united atheist mindset, but atheism at it's core is an absence of something. It isn't a belief, it's an absence of belief, and as such doesn't actually include any standard traits. The things that unite people are the presence of beliefs and principles, not the absence of them. Atheists agree with each other on one thing, and one thing alone. The rest of the traits displayed by any one atheist aren't attributed to atheism, they are attributed to other facets of that person's belief system.
That isn't necessarily true, but it accurately describes a lot of atheists. I tend to think of it as "smart people shut up and mind their own business, idiots demand that everyone drop what they're doing and take sides in their drama"
As an Aries Lucien Greaves sure sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
Very knowledgeable, I bet he looks scary in the spirit world.
I'm surprised there's not a mass of "real satanism isn't theistic" in the comment section. I'm laVeyan, but it's no skin off my back if someone else misses the point of the club.
Nevermind... apparently TST is a nontheistic group. Funny that I hadn't heard about them until recently.
Great show. Excellent guest!
This was one of the most interesting shows in a while
Can I hit like more than once??
"Jesus Killer"? Don't be ridiculous! There have been many criticisms of religious teaching, they've barely dented faith! If religion dies it will be by slow bleeding, not a sudden blow caused by a book by some intellectual!
Wait... hold on. At 27:08, Lucien seems to imply that church speakers shouldn't have free reign to state their political opinions at the pulpit. Does anyone know what he means by that? That sounds an awful lot like an egregious infringement on freedom of speech, but I don't want to mischaracterize him.
That's not a policy, that's a sentiment. Could you expound? Because that sounds vaguely authoritarian. Separation of church and state does not mean pastors can't comment on politics, it means the government can't favor a religion.
It has always been a law, restricting those whom received the tax free benefit, not to politic from the pulpit. Here is a link to the code. There is a lot of case law on point that has deemed this to be constitutional and not infringe upon the Constitution, nor any Amendment, thereto.
Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.
It's because churches are 501c3 organizations. 501c3's cannot support political activities but 501c4's can support political activities. That's why planned parenthood has 2 organizations a c3 and a c4 to campaign for pro choice laws/candidates. Not many people know that's illegal for churches to promote political candidates.
They can state political opinions, but then they'd lose their tax exempt status. Same as charities.
Ave satanas ave dominie inferni
I wish someone would open a chapter in CT.
Great interview! Thanks!
21:01 This strikes me as nonsensical: "atheistic christians, atheistic jews, atheistic muslims..."
These are like "married bachelors", "living dead", and "squared circles". They cannot be, by definition, if we are talking about religion. Furthermore, christians & muslims aren't a "race", and it goes without saying that any and all religions have their own unique cultures.
How do you believe in jesus yet reject the idea of any gods? If you embrace the christian story yet acknowledge that it's a myth, then you aren't a christian.
I don't see this method as any pathway to truth, and not very productive in the challenge we, as atheists, face.
Redneck Hillbilly "it goes without saying that any and all religions have their own unique cultures" it becomes entirely cultural, traditional and sociable. I miss the singing, inspirational sermons, the reverence and emotion surrounding communion.
There are a lot of atheistic Jews who choose to identify with the Jewish culture rather than the religion. I really don't see any problem with that. I mean you can't deny that a very large portion of the US sees Christianity as a cultural identity rather than an ideology.
One thing I didn't get from the interview (3/4 through it as I write) but what is the meaning of the Baphomet's holding up two fingers? The old Cub Scout den leader in me first thought "oh cool, Baphomet is a Cub Scout." Lol. Anybody know?
It has fingers point up on one hand and fingers pointing down on the other hand which is an old meaning of as above so below and as below so above
As above so below.
"Catching angels as they fall..."
24:21 All cakes are gay... in so far as they have no gender that logically means they have the same gender....
so if a cake could fuck another cake then obviously they must be gay..
QED all cakes are gay...
I'm not sure if that is logically consistent but it sounds funny...
Great show Seth, keep up the good work! And yes, I'm a member of your FB group page :-)
I totally get it Lucien and respect what The Satanic Temple is trying to accomplish!
Seth, you're awesome, and I have enjoyed all of your presentations I've seen thus far!
Wow. Bravo, gentlemen! ✊
I'm not an atheist, nor a thinking atheist, and I'm not a Satanist, my thinking is related, I'm a Gnostic Luciferian, I believe in several gods including rah and Horus even though I don't worship all the gods in my cult. In case you can't tell it's not my own invention, and it's not about inventing, it's about ancient rituals before Christianity and after Satanism. The "point" of this is rejection of external rules for its own sake, because it's on one group's side and not the other, the programmed evil of tradition, it's a lot like Satanism with similar anti-rules and anti-dogma, dogma is defined as accepted rules as of ego, education, law, and morality, it's the most simple cult in the world, all you need to do is commit to devilry and be an amoral bastard, it's neither about being good or evil, it's got a point and it's hard to understand what the "point" is, even with Satanism.
💖 Lucien
ALL HAIL "BOB"! ...ARISE!
a what? a mithicist? do I spell that right? thanks
HYEOL It's mythicist I think.
oh. right. Thanks
Eddie King, my religion of Spellcheck does not recognize the word, so I generally just make up a spelling. LOL!
HYEOL Do a youtube search on the historicity of jesus both sides will show up in the search.
I only worship One Goddess, or Goddesses. I unconditionally love them both, But truthfully I only love Goddesses. I accept a Goddess between the two.
i am more pn the side of peter gilmore regarding the statue
can you add a camera so I can see? I can't listen to a broadcast on CZcams and watch a still image.
you don't have to look at it. you can do other things! the beauty of the podcast.
uh, after you, homeslice.
@@epictetus9221 I usually turn on my tv and expect to watch stuff. Same with CZcams. I'm weird that way.
@@jaanrett then keep on demanding people produce better free content for you, i guess. i dunno, i always thought podcasts are audio based
OMG such a fan! 😍 I want to be a Satanist when I grow up!
Can anyone link me to TTA podcast # 320. It's a needle in a haystack.
Luke come to the dark side .
Big Salute to Lucien Greaves!!!💪🏽
All HAIL!!!
They should designate certain countries to specific religions and if you dont believe in that religion .. Dont live there..
Some argue this is already happening.. But having and influence on a a country and imposing your believes vs having a country centered around a religion might make a difference ... But I dont think America is going to just drop the Judeo-Christian influence any time soon.. Its everywhere ..
Has Seth ever done a show on the Law of Attraction crap or on those silly but famous Seth Speak books that were dictated by a supernatural being?
This is so comical to me, at the atheist and Satanist alike just make me laugh.
I do wish Seth asked Lucien about Peter Gilmore's comments on the ST. and what his (Greaves) feelings are about Gilmore going on Bob Larson's program ,& the rest of his (Gilmore) other work during the Satanic Panic, considering those comments
Susan Hepler Really Insignificant? When have any other of these Satanists published any books on the subject? Peter Gilmore seems like a very ok guy to me... in fact the COS could not have survived another spooky to serious to like LaVey himself. Why the Gilmore bashing? I actually like Lucien Greaves and Gilmore both. Why is that a problem?
@@elitisteugenics4469 I like lavey and greaves too. Gilmore is ok. I just leave out the occult shit but Lavey was the father of atheistic Satanism imo.
Muslim says it was Allah who created human being then i want to know who created Allah and known and obvious answer is dreams of a man called muhmmad and Muhammad was born like you and me.hope argument should end here but if muslim say that inorganic compound called Allah created Adam and Eve and they are the first human then will like to know whether they were Theophilus ,Homo erectus, nenderthalensis ,or homosapiens
Timeless...(& Priceless...)
The big book of activities is cute. Dawwwww cerberus is sleeping.
at least we have freewill in hell
i just don't understand how you can live as long as you have/seen&been through events that you have in your life/being as intelligent as you seem & not be a theistic Satanist.
the nation was founded in christian image&ideals. the people eho start3d the nion were
the entertainment industry is a government allowed sustem of brainwashing&conditiong of the masßes,
people see different things as positive, the church burnings were done for a positive reason despite it's negative appearance.
Omg the trolling of this guy 😂😂😂😂 I love him.
I gotta find some bathomet decor for my place.
Who?
Even though I don't label myself a pure Satanist these days, I still love their values and ideas. They will always be friends of mine.
@NWO Official 666 lol. Anyone with even a base understanding of satanism knows the satanic number is 9. Not 666 666 is a Christian invention.
But, yeh, need both.
Mock Islam like this. Go ahead, I dare you!
oh we already do. any sane person is mocking your pedophiliac prophet and his fairytalebook.
Islam is a myth. Oops
But, time. I'm X1.
666
... I don't have a Personal Jesus, - I didn't even know you could buy those ! ... I ALSO don't have a Personal Satan - if I did, I'd ask my Doctor for some penicillin and I'd grab a few bottles of Jim Beam, some good Cuban cigars and hide out in my Library for a week or so ... I DO like to practice Personal Hygiene, however ... Don't wanna go to Hell AND have smelly pits - Ugh !
I won't be surprised if Lucien Greaves become a powerful Christian preacher.
God can do the impossible 🙏
I, on behalf of those still in the faith ask for pardon for forcing you to look for love and meaning in the wrong place.
Praying for all of us. The good news is, we can hope for salvation as long as we are alive.
fools errand snafu...an delegates in some unbeknownst stupefied translucent haul off... pardon my choice ov words LUCIEN...big bunch of badass shit out there
The SatanicTemple is punk rock!!!
and the 21st century is the satanic century!!!
There is only one satan my dad