Fellow Falconer from the UAE here. I own a female Gyr x Peregrine called Glory. She's an absolute hunting machine. After trying so many breeds, nothing comes close to Gyr x Peregrine. Her horizontal and vertical flight speed is jaw dropping. She has the best of both worlds in terms of both breeds. I would like to point out Ben Woodruff, common technique we use in the UAE to train Gyrs and other birds in general is to use airplanes or drones to train their endurance and climb rate. Few weeks of training, and they can climb absolute unbelievable heights without any effort. Also I would like to point out that the Gyr x Peregrine breed is becoming the icon of the UAE. Almost 90% of all Falconers here own a male or female Gyr x Peregrine. The elite farms of Gyr x Peregrine are: Ghost, Marra, DK, Pro Falcon, H3, F3, AD falcons. Sadly, these farms have the world's best blood lineage, and it is so rare to find them in the market. They are mostly owned by the top tier falconers here. Almost all falconry championships here winners are from these farms. If anyone has any questions please do shoot.
Hello, college falconer here! It is always a pleasure to share experience and to interact with other falconers, because there is constantly something new we can learn. Regarding the performance of the birds, I have my own results and measurements and I always like to see what others have come up with. From my experience, the gyr x peregrine hybrids are on average the fastest in level flight, faster than pure gyr and pure peregrine, but in a dive, the pure peregrine is the fastest, faster than a gyr and gyr x peregrine hybrid. Regarding pure gyr and pure peregrine, the gyr should be faster in level flight, but I have peregrines that are as fast and even faster than some gyrfalcons. I measure the top speed in a very controlled manner using Marshall Gps telemetry, birds fly strictly leveled and close to the ground, and I always count in the wind speed and wind direction to get the most precise results. I'am also puzzled by the fact that the peregrines are more successful hunting small houbara (tetrax tetrax) than gyrfalcons? If the gyrfalcon is so much faster in a level flight and in a climb than a peregrine, they should be superior for that type of hunting from a fist on a prey that is very fast, can climb like a rocket and has great stamina?! What are yours experiences, and can you share some numbers on realistic level flight speed of the falcons in question? Cheers!
Dear Ben, I watch your videos to gain more knowledge of how falconers from the other side hunt with their falcons. I'm originally from Dubai and I'm a falconer myself. its amazing how similar the methods and techniques we use, but the purpose is different. Thank you for sharing amazing videos and I hope that one day you visit Dubai and gain more knowledge of falcons in Dubai.
I avidly look forward to your videos, Ben. I've learned so much from you. It must be a real coup for your apprentices to learn from you. I'm a second year general in California, and I gotta say I could still use a sponsor like you! Great job! Cheers
Kind of like giving a moderate rifle to a great shooter, or a great rifle to a moderate shooter... vis-a-vis your comments about P x G 'apparent performance' ;-) Thanks for yet another fine video!
I am not a falconer, but I have been interested in the sport since I was a lad many years ago. My sporting interest went down the road of dogs and a similar hybridization situation exists there. People cross different breeds of dog in order to obtain the best characteristics of both breeds. However, we always assume that the progeny of such hybrids are born with the best qualities of both breeds. That does not always happen. You can end up with a dog (or bird in your case) which has all the negatives of both breeds and none of the positives. My concern with birds would be (and I emphasise that I have zero practical knowledge of falcons) that if it followed what has happened in the past with dogs and hybrids are crossed with hybrids then you may well end up with essentially a mongrel. Now that 'mongrel' may well be a great hunter but what happens then is you start to lose the pure species as less and less are bred. It's just a thought from an outsider and I may well be totally wrong of course.
Dear Ben I live in Kentucky and I was wondering what I need to do to get a signed book from your self I missed out on one at a raffle over the weekend and I am just wondering keepem flyin
@@benwoodrufffalconry I will buy the book and ahip on to you if I need to to get a signed one and thank you for the response I have sure learned a lot for all of you videos falconry is a great time and experience
I have not. I’d do anything to fly one! I have never found anyone breeding that hybrid in the United States. A few years ago I had intentions of doing that myself. I got myself some Eurasian kestrels (common kestrel) and was planning to get the American kestrels and do the paperwork for a propagation permit. But then I ended up going through a divorce and had to sell most of my birds at that time. I haven’t seen common kestrels available for sale since. I hope someday to be able to find one. Common kestrels are substantially larger than American kestrels. But American kestrels are much more aggressive hunters and more striking on color. A hybrid between the two would yield really quite an amazing bird!
@@benwoodrufffalconry Aren't Eurasian Kestrals native in the Northeast? if they are you could see if they're allowed to be trapped and get one that way.
@@benwoodrufffalconry Why would it yield an amazing bird?, i cant think of a bigger waste of time! Falconry isn't like keeping budgies & you breed for plumage. Fly what works, stick with a Merlin or the American Kestrel but forget anything with tinnunculus in the mix.
Ben, I'm ver new to this. Do you release hybrids to the wild the way you can pure birds or must they remain in captivity for their entire lives? I ask because hunting with many different birds over many years appeals to me for the different experiences and hunting methods. If a person obtained a gyr-peregrine hybrid would it be a long term commitment to that single bird? Thank you!
In the United States it is illegal to release a captive bred hybrid into the wild. They don’t want the risk of it breeding with wild Falcons. But with captive bred birds, they normally are a long-term commitment. But if not, people also sell them or give them away to other falconers or to a breeding program.
When you said “The Orange Breasted Hawk” I searched on safari and the Red-Shouldered Hawk came up. Is that like another way to say Red-Shouldered Hawk?
They can be re-bred with other species. tri-brids are fairly common. Like crossing a gyrXperegrine with a red napes shaheen.... or crossing a gyrXsaker with a pure gyr. It makes you really rethink what the definition of a species should be, if hybrids and tribrids can produce fertile offspring. I am not an expert on raptor propagation or crosses. But it is still interesting. If I remember correctly, in the case of gyrX peregrine hybrids, I believe one of the genders is more fertile and the other one is a bit more limited in its fertility as a result of the hybridization. But I do not remember if it’s the mail or the female. But both can still produce.
@@benwoodrufffalconry Female Gyr x Peregrines are normally infertile, although i have been told of one or two exceptions. The male Gyr x Peregrine are known to be super fertile on occasions but mostly the males will be fertile.
They are not sterile like mules. They are still fertile. Some hybrids are not as fertile as others, but they are still capable of producing viable offspring.
Hybrid vigor is super evident in cannabis I'm a breeder when working with a super inbred line you can add a new line and you get massive upshoots in growth, size , productivity,
Good video don't agree with siberian goshawk being white the only goshawk that are white are from tazmania and thay are off the grey goshawk from the same place there is no species of white snow hawks from siberian era unless albino
When I mention “Siberian goshawks” it is not a true species of its own. It is a regional subspecies of the Northern goshawk. The classification is “Accipiter gentilis albidus”. They range from partially white with extremely faint barring, all the way to pure white. This Subspecies is not an albino form, but just one that has adapted to the region. Great horns are the same way. Typically the further north you get, the paler the great horned owls become. Many Alaskan great horns have all their dark bars, but all the other pigments are absent. Here is a link to a video showing the white albidus sub species of the northern goshawk I referenced. czcams.com/video/NLhqDwMvPqo/video.html Those white goshawks and gray goshawks of Tasmania are so incredibly striking in appearance! It would be breathtaking to see one in person!
Fellow Falconer from the UAE here. I own a female Gyr x Peregrine called Glory. She's an absolute hunting machine. After trying so many breeds, nothing comes close to Gyr x Peregrine. Her horizontal and vertical flight speed is jaw dropping. She has the best of both worlds in terms of both breeds.
I would like to point out Ben Woodruff, common technique we use in the UAE to train Gyrs and other birds in general is to use airplanes or drones to train their endurance and climb rate. Few weeks of training, and they can climb absolute unbelievable heights without any effort.
Also I would like to point out that the Gyr x Peregrine breed is becoming the icon of the UAE. Almost 90% of all Falconers here own a male or female Gyr x Peregrine.
The elite farms of Gyr x Peregrine are: Ghost, Marra, DK, Pro Falcon, H3, F3, AD falcons. Sadly, these farms have the world's best blood lineage, and it is so rare to find them in the market. They are mostly owned by the top tier falconers here. Almost all falconry championships here winners are from these farms.
If anyone has any questions please do shoot.
Hello, college falconer here!
It is always a pleasure to share experience and to interact with other falconers, because there is constantly something new we can learn. Regarding the performance of the birds, I have my own results and measurements and I always like to see what others have come up with.
From my experience, the gyr x peregrine hybrids are on average the fastest in level flight, faster than pure gyr and pure peregrine, but in a dive, the pure peregrine is the fastest, faster than a gyr and gyr x peregrine hybrid.
Regarding pure gyr and pure peregrine, the gyr should be faster in level flight, but I have peregrines that are as fast and even faster than some gyrfalcons. I measure the top speed in a very controlled manner using Marshall Gps telemetry, birds fly strictly leveled and close to the ground, and I always count in the wind speed and wind direction to get the most precise results.
I'am also puzzled by the fact that the peregrines are more successful hunting small houbara (tetrax tetrax) than gyrfalcons?
If the gyrfalcon is so much faster in a level flight and in a climb than a peregrine, they should be superior for that type of hunting from a fist on a prey that is very fast, can climb like a rocket and has great stamina?!
What are yours experiences, and can you share some numbers on realistic level flight speed of the falcons in question?
Cheers!
One of the best channels on CZcams. 😁
Dear Ben,
I watch your videos to gain more knowledge of how falconers from the other side hunt with their falcons.
I'm originally from Dubai and I'm a falconer myself. its amazing how similar the methods and techniques we use,
but the purpose is different. Thank you for sharing amazing videos and I hope that one day you visit Dubai and gain
more knowledge of falcons in Dubai.
Gyrfalcons to me are just amazing birds
I avidly look forward to your videos, Ben. I've learned so much from you. It must be a real coup for your apprentices to learn from you. I'm a second year general in California, and I gotta say I could still use a sponsor like you! Great job!
Cheers
Thanks I really appreciate your support
Thanks for the video Ben. Great job! Looking forward to hearing about the other hybrids.
Peregrine:I go Nininininininininini
Gyr : whomp whomp
That should be a T-shirt
@@benwoodrufffalconry I should get a tee-spring account just to do that.
Amazing video 👍
Really good Video as always!
Would love to see a compare contrast video of the Prairie falcon and the Saker.
Ooooooo!!!!!! That’s a good one! Definitely will do that!
You actually got me so excited about this one that I am recording it right now!
Great information thanks
Since You Been for those informations
Female Peregrines are more than capable of taking late season Sage Grouse
Kind of like giving a moderate rifle to a great shooter, or a great rifle to a moderate shooter... vis-a-vis your comments about P x G 'apparent performance' ;-)
Thanks for yet another fine video!
You are right. That’s a great way to phrase it!
thanks :)
I am not a falconer, but I have been interested in the sport since I was a lad many years ago. My sporting interest went down the road of dogs and a similar hybridization situation exists there. People cross different breeds of dog in order to obtain the best characteristics of both breeds. However, we always assume that the progeny of such hybrids are born with the best qualities of both breeds. That does not always happen. You can end up with a dog (or bird in your case) which has all the negatives of both breeds and none of the positives. My concern with birds would be (and I emphasise that I have zero practical knowledge of falcons) that if it followed what has happened in the past with dogs and hybrids are crossed with hybrids then you may well end up with essentially a mongrel.
Now that 'mongrel' may well be a great hunter but what happens then is you start to lose the pure species as less and less are bred.
It's just a thought from an outsider and I may well be totally wrong of course.
Ok, I've waited long enough, plz tell me about the (sabretooth) Deer antlers for k9's ? Thanks for all the videos!
That’s a cool tribal headdress I made. I do a lot of fire dancing and I often wear it when I am fire dancing.
Ben gyr peregrines are cool falcons 😎😎
Dear Ben I live in Kentucky and I was wondering what I need to do to get a signed book from your self I missed out on one at a raffle over the weekend and I am just wondering keepem flyin
I don’t sell them personally. But let me see if I can order some and sign and ship
@@benwoodrufffalconry I will buy the book and ahip on to you if I need to to get a signed one and thank you for the response I have sure learned a lot for all of you videos falconry is a great time and experience
what your thorts on gyr x sakers love see u do vid gryx sakers
so did you ever get to fly that American Kestrel/Common Kestrel hybrid?
I have not. I’d do anything to fly one! I have never found anyone breeding that hybrid in the United States. A few years ago I had intentions of doing that myself. I got myself some Eurasian kestrels (common kestrel) and was planning to get the American kestrels and do the paperwork for a propagation permit. But then I ended up going through a divorce and had to sell most of my birds at that time. I haven’t seen common kestrels available for sale since. I hope someday to be able to find one. Common kestrels are substantially larger than American kestrels. But American kestrels are much more aggressive hunters and more striking on color. A hybrid between the two would yield really quite an amazing bird!
@@benwoodrufffalconry Aren't Eurasian Kestrals native in the Northeast? if they are you could see if they're allowed to be trapped and get one that way.
@@benwoodrufffalconry Why would it yield an amazing bird?, i cant think of a bigger waste of time! Falconry isn't like keeping budgies & you breed for plumage. Fly what works, stick with a Merlin or the American Kestrel but forget anything with tinnunculus in the mix.
Ben, I'm ver new to this. Do you release hybrids to the wild the way you can pure birds or must they remain in captivity for their entire lives? I ask because hunting with many different birds over many years appeals to me for the different experiences and hunting methods. If a person obtained a gyr-peregrine hybrid would it be a long term commitment to that single bird? Thank you!
In the United States it is illegal to release a captive bred hybrid into the wild. They don’t want the risk of it breeding with wild Falcons. But with captive bred birds, they normally are a long-term commitment. But if not, people also sell them or give them away to other falconers or to a breeding program.
@@benwoodrufffalconry thank you. That makes sense.
the crossbreeding of similar animal and plant species had been done ever since domestication exist.
When you said “The Orange Breasted Hawk” I searched on safari and the Red-Shouldered Hawk came up. Is that like another way to say Red-Shouldered Hawk?
Orange breasted falcon
Look up Falco deiroleucus
Hey Ben! Hope you are doing well. Can gyr/peregrine hybrids produce offspring? Or is it only gyr/peregrine pures that can produce hybrids.
They can be re-bred with other species. tri-brids are fairly common. Like crossing a gyrXperegrine with a red napes shaheen.... or crossing a gyrXsaker with a pure gyr. It makes you really rethink what the definition of a species should be, if hybrids and tribrids can produce fertile offspring.
I am not an expert on raptor propagation or crosses. But it is still interesting. If I remember correctly, in the case of gyrX peregrine hybrids, I believe one of the genders is more fertile and the other one is a bit more limited in its fertility as a result of the hybridization. But I do not remember if it’s the mail or the female. But both can still produce.
@@benwoodrufffalconry thank you for the reply. Appreciate the info.
@@benwoodrufffalconry Female Gyr x Peregrines are normally infertile, although i have been told of one or two exceptions. The male Gyr x Peregrine are known to be super fertile on occasions but mostly the males will be fertile.
You can thank Steve Baptist from Nevada for this technological
i prefer the name X Gyr but i have a question, are they sterile like mules?
They are not sterile like mules. They are still fertile. Some hybrids are not as fertile as others, but they are still capable of producing viable offspring.
The males are normally super fertile but, i have heard most females are infertile. there have however been a couple of exceptions.
Hybrid vigor is super evident in cannabis I'm a breeder when working with a super inbred line you can add a new line and you get massive upshoots in growth, size , productivity,
Ok so if you could only have one, it would be peregrine.....but if you could have 2?
And where does a red-tailed hawk sit on that list? Thanks, all your videos are great!
I feel in the Monty python world the Peregrines would be the knights who say ni and the Gyrs whomp whomp tis' just a flesh wound.
😅😅😅😅
I would imagine the term "falconry" derives from falcons in some respect
Yes traditionally a falconer flew falcons and an Austringer is someone who flys hawks
Sir please go to Rumble so I can watch there. Bye Help our Freedom
Good video don't agree with siberian goshawk being white the only goshawk that are white are from tazmania and thay are off the grey goshawk from the same place there is no species of white snow hawks from siberian era unless albino
When I mention “Siberian goshawks” it is not a true species of its own. It is a regional subspecies of the Northern goshawk. The classification is “Accipiter gentilis albidus”. They range from partially white with extremely faint barring, all the way to pure white. This
Subspecies is not an albino form, but just one that has adapted to the region. Great horns are the same way. Typically the further north you get, the paler the great horned owls become. Many Alaskan great horns have all their dark bars, but all the other pigments are absent.
Here is a link to a video showing the white albidus sub species of the northern goshawk I referenced. czcams.com/video/NLhqDwMvPqo/video.html
Those white goshawks and gray goshawks of Tasmania are so incredibly striking in appearance! It would be breathtaking to see one in person!
You talk too much