MotoGP channel surprisingly very informative. There's lots of information and inside footage as well. Unlike many other official channel, where quality content is a rarity.
I wish these engineers can modify my Ninja 300's gearbox, so that during my daily commute to work, I can use maximum speed for every corner I take, with minimal power loss. It would make my ride to work that much more convenient.
Your on a 300 not a 1000 i don't think you should worry about power loss and your not Rossi yet, id concentrate on riding safely. What I can agree with you is on my bike, i'd prefer if i down shifted to go up in gear
***** Haha. I ride a stock cbr600rr, merely a powercommander and a few comfort mods, nothing special at all, and what you speak of is completely true, stock transmission in a corner is a nono. Changing gear laying low is not even the LAST of my thoughts, it's not in my thought process at all. That'd be scary shit.
+Turklimanc so, with 1 year after your comment, did you learned what this seamless gearbox actually i, or do you still like to speak nonsense like is the truth?
I don’t even know how to ride a motorcycle, but I love watching these and motorcycle races. But I don’t really like supercars and F1..less entertaining..
@KekasihMuGelap- some production bikes already have up/down quickshifters as factory options e.g. the latest BMW GS/RT/XR, Ducati Panigale and others. You can also get kits to fit them to a bike that does not have a factory option. I have fitted it on my own bike and it's really nice.
Thanks for the post. Wouldn't it be great if gears came out of the side on all streetbikes? Dropping the engine and splitting the case is such a beutch
Very good explanation he gave. But how they match the revs of the bike is it by using the clutch raising throttle and down shift at the same time for each down shift.
I think one of my shift forks is worn - so can I pull the entire clutch /trans out - without dropping the entire motor? bike is a Suz. 89 gsxr 750. Shifting still works - just sometimes can't find neutral when downshifting from 2nd to 1st. Thoughts?
dont know much about bikes but maybe you should ask this in a recent video, so people can see it and answer, chances of them seeing your comment on an 8 year old video are probably really low haha
Di masa ini motogp sangat ketat persainganya walaupun sudah menggunakan elektronik,mata penonton di manjakan dgn aksi salip menyalip menarik di tonton yg pasti.
in actuality, mopeds/underbones in Asia is virtually clutchless (i,e. no clutch lever) specifically almost anything below 125cc... as for bigger bikes, electronics are the way to go
Did I understand it right. They dont have to use the clutch pedal for upshift and also ford downshift beacause of the electonic, which does the work? Or only for upshift?
Added weight with the whole hydraulic mechanism I suppose. Also, I think as they are not relying much on the clutch lever for changing. Hydraulic mechanism would be an unnecessary addition.
I don't know for sure because I do not work in a MotoGP workshop, but as far as I know, cable clutches are heavier and have less input linearity when compared to hydraulic clutches. HCs can also be more expensive to maintain, what seems irrelevant when you have millions in cash to spend anyway. Personally, I think it's a case of using simple technology that you know willget the job done while keeping the motorcycle light.
bukan seamless itu, klo untuk upshift pasang QuickShifter ( yg bahkan ninja 250 pun bisa ), nah yg downshift ini oleh mekaniknya kgk disebutin perangkatnya namanya apa, pokoknya kerjnya buka tutup katup kupu2 ( butterfly valve ) di Throtlle Body sehingga seakan2 kabel gas memuntir buka tutup.
They have a neutral, That's how they warm up the bikes in the paddock with out having to put them on rollers. You don't want a cold engine for racing, It will be more prone to seize.
hmmm kinda disappointed that shifting is so automated. but i guess to ride at this level you need every little bit of help. Very cool video none the less. and very interesting technology behind these motorcycles
ZGERMAN it doesn’t slip the clutch it cuts signal to the ignition coil/coils which makes the engine stop making power therefore unloading the transmission and allowing for a shift
How come they still have not managed to figure a way to make neutral all the way at the top and press down for all 5-6? Why have neutral between 1 and 2 still?
Well when you have 250 hp on a 350lb rocket I think that's already enough to handle to warrant the aided shifting. Everyone knows about quick shifting for higher gears but that's interesting they control the throttle blip for the down shifts. I guess if you had to do it manually you would risk over revving the match and could chance disrupting the weight transfer on front wheel when ur trying to brake hard to slow ur machine from 200 mph.
The only reason is that The Electronic is so much faster then human. A PRO rider dont overrev on downshifts..you learn your non PRO bikes down revs in a couple of hours, these guys job is to ride bikes, so I guess they would figure it out in a heart beat :)
I'm so confused right now.. He clearly said that the first gear is up but in race start all the racers are pushing the gear down before the race so what gear are they using at start up? Second gear? Please someone answer me hahaha
I mean high end,modern sports bikes come equipped from showroom floor with quick shifters for up shiftbut not the downshift, guess that technology had to trickle down from the pros. That's why I love motogp more then just the racing there so advanced that they move our street bikes ahead in technology leaps and bounds over what the average trial and error ever would be able to accomplish.
It does not disengage the clutch. Quick shifter cripples the ignition for couple of mili seconds, it's the same like when you cut the throttle to shift up/down. It can't even disengage the clutch, the only motorcycle that could disengage the clutch when you operated the gear lever was made by Jawa ages ago, it was semi-automatic, fully mechanical. They still hold the patent, so not gonna see that any soon. The quick shifter unit can be mounted on any motorcycle with manual gearbox. @akupehsluarketatAR, you do not have to use the clutch to shift up at all, and if you're good enough you do not even need to use it to shift down. But I must warn you, if you down shift when the speed of the final driver and the engine is not equal, you can damage your gear box. To shift up, just cut the throtle, kick it up, then back on throttle. Once you try it, it won't go back. Faster you go, more revs you have, easier it is.
I Don't really understand too. If you watch the races Or fp's or on CZcams motogp Testing their is Also the first gear down if they Go on the Bike for their turn.
I don't know why bikes aren't all "GP style". I flipped my shifter and it makes downshifting so much easier when rev-matching and I like pushing down to upshift.
Richard Mazur Yeah, I wonder why all bikes aren't "reverse/GP"-shift. In fact, my old Yamaha FS1 moped was "reverse shift" as stock. When you're on track it just feels more natural, especially with a quickshifter.
+Turklimanc If you really worry about downshifting on the road, you shouldn't ride at all or you are going way too fast they don't even teach downshift-blipping anymore in our trackschools, cause it's virtually unneccessary. with or without slipperclutches. if the instructors (who were and some still are great racers in international championships) tell us to slip the clutch without blipping, that's what I'll do.
+lillnemo1 I downshift on the street because I use engine braking a lot to slow down. Have done that with my cars and now with my motorcycle since I started driving. It's just what I am accustomed to. I don't understand the part you mention about not rev-matching on the track and just slipping the clutch. I still see pros rev-matching plenty. I have a track event coming up and may try the method of just slamming the gears down with the clutch disengaged and slipping it back in without rev-matching. Seems like I would have to give up some of my attention to try this method, though, I expect to be slower.
+lillnemo1 I watched a cheaply video about track downshifting and the argument for blipping the throttle instead of feathering the clutch was 'it might cost more money'. Some people prefer rev matching but I found using the clutch more natural. My dad never taught me otherwise (ex-250 racer) so it became the way to do it. I wonder about the wear and tear really costing more, it's not like sitting up hill at traffic lights for four minutes burning the clutch out.
+Richard Mazur you slip the clutch with each downshift. Watch some pre-2010(maybe later but better safe than sorry) Rossi and you'll see him do it every corner. Even with the slipper clutch and better electronics.
you dont use front brake coming into corners because you'll load up the front suspension then the bike will jerk back on the rear suspension. when you brake you use the front and rear brake to slow then trail the back brake off when you are at the correct speed and gear
As a matter of fact my first race bike not only had reverse shifting it was also on the RIGHT side of the motorcycle (as were Spanish bikes on the right too albeit with conventional shift direction) down for up was common with early british bikes. I actually preferrec pressing down to shift up as in racing it is easier/faster more critical to get right accelerating where as downshifting you are slowing anyway.so less of the panick...I have always hated that nuetral is between gears it seems stupid (I mean we have a CLUTCH to work with so WTF?? WHY place it between gears???? I personally would prefer the moto gp method with the special lever for nuetral clicking all the way up to nuetral and clicking down to upshift Btw my british race bike ALSO had a cassete gearbox that could be removed in minutes without removing the engine or splitting the cases....even though I never needed to as that tranny was bullet proof and shited perfectly unlike my first bike a Yamaha that I blew 3 gear on multiple times and shifted like crap compared to my AJS
They do as far as I know. Sometimes they kick it into neutral by accident, it spoiled a couple of people's race. I am not absolutely certain of this, but I am pretty sure.
MotoGP channel surprisingly very informative. There's lots of information and inside footage as well. Unlike many other official channel, where quality content is a rarity.
I wish these engineers can modify my Ninja 300's gearbox, so that during my daily commute to work, I can use maximum speed for every corner I take, with minimal power loss. It would make my ride to work that much more convenient.
Your on a 300 not a 1000 i don't think you should worry about power loss and your not Rossi yet, id concentrate on riding safely. What I can agree with you is on my bike, i'd prefer if i down shifted to go up in gear
Alex Campbell
I'd hazard a guess that he was being sarcastic and joked about the limited need/usefulness of this in real every day life.
you can't do shit on that 300 cc pussyass bike on the streets
***** Haha. I ride a stock cbr600rr, merely a powercommander and a few comfort mods, nothing special at all, and what you speak of is completely true, stock transmission in a corner is a nono. Changing gear laying low is not even the LAST of my thoughts, it's not in my thought process at all. That'd be scary shit.
+Turklimanc so, with 1 year after your comment, did you learned what this seamless gearbox actually i, or do you still like to speak nonsense like is the truth?
Is it because I am a guy, or an engineer, or that I love motorcycle racing? Man I love watching this stuff!
+Ducati Drew How about all three?
Ducati Drew same!
I don’t even know how to ride a motorcycle, but I love watching these and motorcycle races. But I don’t really like supercars and F1..less entertaining..
Brilliant, need more content like this!!! :)
0:12 did that guy just wheelie in the backround?
MotorBros yep
MotorBros yeah :P
haha awesome
XD
Yup just a normal race day at motogp
I learned a lot from this :)
I was thinking the same thing.
Absolutely Brilliant.
Love this Work Shop Videos! More!
I love your videos. Im subscribing.
@KekasihMuGelap- some production bikes already have up/down quickshifters as factory options e.g. the latest BMW GS/RT/XR, Ducati Panigale and others. You can also get kits to fit them to a bike that does not have a factory option. I have fitted it on my own bike and it's really nice.
que belo trabalho de engenharia. muito eficaz o sistema.
Sweet !! Thank you!
More!
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Oops. I see there are many.... Thank YOU!
Great Sergio !!!
Great explanation!
0:32 leaving the cameraman outside in the hot weather? Man, not nice.
cheers for this
Sergiooooo!!!! This team rocks!!! :)
Quick shifters are rampant in racing....but never saw a transmission rebuild before. Very nice.
I love this
What a Quality !
Similar to a 'bazzaz quik shifter'.
Great video!
Thanks for the post. Wouldn't it be great if gears came out of the side on all streetbikes? Dropping the engine and splitting the case is such a beutch
radrcer Service and maintenance adds to the revenue of companies. If everyone could do it at home, they'd lose profit.
It's easy on my zx 10. Dont need to drop engine on it.
Very clear! Thanks!
Note This is OUT OF DATE. MotoGP now use seamless gearbox and he is just showing a quickshifter.
Chainsaw Dude could u provide me some videos reagrding seamless transmission
Very informative
That's what it sounded like. Pretty sweet!
So they use the clutch only during the launch ?
Very good explanation he gave. But how they match the revs of the bike is it by using the clutch raising throttle and down shift at the same time for each down shift.
There is auto blipper and slipper clutch
I think one of my shift forks is worn - so can I pull the entire clutch /trans out - without dropping the entire motor? bike is a Suz. 89 gsxr 750. Shifting still works - just sometimes can't find neutral when downshifting from 2nd to 1st. Thoughts?
dont know much about bikes but maybe you should ask this in a recent video, so people can see it and answer, chances of them seeing your comment on an 8 year old video are probably really low haha
good spotting!
Nice Collin Edwards is a good friend of mine.
i like this
yeah electronic :D
Di masa ini motogp sangat ketat persainganya walaupun sudah menggunakan elektronik,mata penonton di manjakan dgn aksi salip menyalip menarik di tonton yg pasti.
Wonder how long before they fit automatic transmissions on gp bikes.
i ride a regular 2002 R6 and i never use the clutch other than launch and stop.
BMW has this technology as an option on virtually all their motorcycles.
Love clutch
I have question please . What the engine ngm forward make? Yamaha ? Ducati ?
Bmw s1000r
Can these clutchless (is it the right terminology) downshifting goes into the production motorcycle in the future?
Already is on BMW, Ducati, and Yamaha.
It will happen for sure I think.
It is. Buy a zx10rr, it comes with a quick shifter on a regular basis.
Yes
in actuality, mopeds/underbones in Asia is virtually clutchless (i,e. no clutch lever) specifically almost anything below 125cc... as for bigger bikes, electronics are the way to go
Ganti gear set tanpa belah mesin..ajib dah
They should make quick change gear boxes on all production bikes. It makes working on them 10 times easier...
i don't think this system it's suppose to last long...
Did I understand it right. They dont have to use the clutch pedal for upshift and also ford downshift beacause of the electonic, which does the work? Or only for upshift?
***** As seen in this, video, they don't. they only use the lever in the race launch
"Auto-Blipping"
Added weight with the whole hydraulic mechanism I suppose.
Also, I think as they are not relying much on the clutch lever for changing. Hydraulic mechanism would be an unnecessary addition.
Nice
Afters years of having a MotoGP Quick shifter having it installed , Dyno Jet PC4 ..... should make riding the roads faster and more enjoyable ...
damn....i will b there someday....
I don't know for sure because I do not work in a MotoGP workshop, but as far as I know, cable clutches are heavier and have less input linearity when compared to hydraulic clutches. HCs can also be more expensive to maintain, what seems irrelevant when you have millions in cash to spend anyway. Personally, I think it's a case of using simple technology that you know willget the job done while keeping the motorcycle light.
ooh gitu toh, keren pake sistem seamless tanpa pake kopling untuk up gear dan down gear
bukan seamless itu,
klo untuk upshift pasang QuickShifter ( yg bahkan ninja 250 pun bisa ), nah yg downshift ini oleh mekaniknya kgk disebutin perangkatnya namanya apa, pokoknya kerjnya buka tutup katup kupu2 ( butterfly valve ) di Throtlle Body sehingga seakan2 kabel gas memuntir buka tutup.
Wah tengkyu bro penjelasannya, iya soalnya enak banget ganti gearnya cpt banget liatnya
is it called slipper clutch when change gear down ?
no its called auto bliper,slipper clutch makes you to downshift without needing to rev match the engine in order to lock the rear wheel
So, they only use the clutch for the start?
+Andrés Felipe Espinal Rojas So it seems... amazing
+Felipe yes, so appearently a motogp bike is way EASIER to drive LOL
Felipe Start and Downshifts
no they still use clutch.clutch is important in the start.
Yes
i Really wish these guys could build my bike for me the dream
Interesting.
Most of this is pretty standard except for the gear change direction. Was hoping for a bit more tech.
what do they use the clutch pedal for then?
oxfordbambooshootify To downshift..and at the start line...
Yeah i know not like a car's clutch pedal but u know what i mean
for a hard downshift
Clutch lever to start off the line and select first gear
Can't understand the downshift part clearly.
on tv on racing bike, I never see any movement of clutch handle or foot changing gear: am I blind?
They have a neutral, That's how they warm up the bikes in the paddock with out having to put them on rollers. You don't want a cold engine for racing, It will be more prone to seize.
hmmm kinda disappointed that shifting is so automated. but i guess to ride at this level you need every little bit of help. Very cool video none the less. and very interesting technology behind these motorcycles
You can install a Slipper Clutch and whats called a "Quick Shift" into your personal Bike, You will not regret it.
ZGERMAN it doesn’t slip the clutch it cuts signal to the ignition coil/coils which makes the engine stop making power therefore unloading the transmission and allowing for a shift
gear shift is as with motocross also
How come they still have not managed to figure a way to make neutral all the way at the top and press down for all 5-6? Why have neutral between 1 and 2 still?
Same transmission different linkage arrangement.
Well when you have 250 hp on a 350lb rocket I think that's already enough to handle to warrant the aided shifting. Everyone knows about quick shifting for higher gears but that's interesting they control the throttle blip for the down shifts. I guess if you had to do it manually you would risk over revving the match and could chance disrupting the weight transfer on front wheel when ur trying to brake hard to slow ur machine from 200 mph.
The only reason is that The Electronic is so much faster then human. A PRO rider dont overrev on downshifts..you learn your non PRO bikes down revs in a couple of hours, these guys job is to ride bikes, so I guess they would figure it out in a heart beat :)
not to mention potential mechanical issues, in the long run...
Great video.
Did he say that an ECU matches RPMs for downshifting without ant throttle input?
Yeah i think so
antonio ivanov the ecu does it automatically, the engine pulls the gas automatically
I'm so confused right now.. He clearly said that the first gear is up but in race start all the racers are pushing the gear down before the race so what gear are they using at start up? Second gear? Please someone answer me hahaha
The first gear up is for CRT team bikes, they using street bikes such as NGM used BMW s1000r
My dream job is to do what these guys do... Wanna know how to get into it.
Google Motorcycle Mechanic Schools in Daytona Beach, FL.
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0:13 there's someone wheelie on mini bicycle :D
I mean high end,modern sports bikes come equipped from showroom floor with quick shifters for up shiftbut not the downshift, guess that technology had to trickle down from the pros. That's why I love motogp more then just the racing there so advanced that they move our street bikes ahead in technology leaps and bounds over what the average trial and error ever would be able to accomplish.
These bikes don't have slip and assist clutches?
Of course have
more detail!
manufacturers should have that electronic thingy that disengage the clutch during shifting on production bikes. Cars already have it today.
Thanks
They do have them. On the high performance bikes. Or u can buy one and install it or just learn to blip shift.
SlimMGV yeah i found one on ebay its pretty expensive. i do blip shift but having to use the clutch repeatedly around town gives me the cramp.
It does not disengage the clutch. Quick shifter cripples the ignition for couple of mili seconds, it's the same like when you cut the throttle to shift up/down. It can't even disengage the clutch, the only motorcycle that could disengage the clutch when you operated the gear lever was made by Jawa ages ago, it was semi-automatic, fully mechanical. They still hold the patent, so not gonna see that any soon.
The quick shifter unit can be mounted on any motorcycle with manual gearbox.
@akupehsluarketatAR, you do not have to use the clutch to shift up at all, and if you're good enough you do not even need to use it to shift down. But I must warn you, if you down shift when the speed of the final driver and the engine is not equal, you can damage your gear box. To shift up, just cut the throtle, kick it up, then back on throttle. Once you try it, it won't go back. Faster you go, more revs you have, easier it is.
quickshifter，comes as standard on a triumph 675r and some other high performance bikes
did the racer still press the throttle during changing the gear up?
+Ewan Zolkarnain no
No upshift under full throttle, downshift with throttle closed, computer does the rest.
This is OUT OF DATE. The following year MotoGP started to use seamless gearbox.
ChainsawDude Check the upload date ya idiot
2:43 comin' in hot!
what bike is this?
Basic engine from S1000R
Valentino Rossi el alma del mundial
motogp bike still using wet clutch?
All do except Ducati
Can enter first gear without clutch?
NO
yes.
Rossi has the neutral in the topend (upwards). And all other gears down …
And it is for those exact reasons why I pay attention to this shit.
One question why
Its so much easier to 1 Down and 5 Up
Because it's easier to press the shifter down when you're doing 200 and full lean :)
it must be so confusing swapping between a normal bike and motogp bike with reverse gears
I once had a British commuter bike and worked on Japanese bikes through the daytime.You just have to adapt.
Does it means the driver use clutch lever only in grid start?
And is the neutral gear also between 1st and 2nd like street bike?
Yes.
You can do this on any bike you like, just turn The smal lever that comes out from The gearbox 180 degrees, and The gears are in reverse.
Not sure of this, but I think they have no neutral..
I was wondering why this seemed so dated. It's from 5 years ago. Quickshifters are become standard on bikes.
whaat ? can someone explain why 1st is UP and rest is DOWN?
I Don't really understand too. If you watch the races Or fp's or on CZcams motogp Testing their is Also the first gear down if they Go on the Bike for their turn.
@@loveobd628 Simple, First is up the rest are down, where is the confusion?
@@flyingdog1498 For me their is no confusion. In My opinion is since Two or three years even first gear down. Watch SBK or GP Testing.
I don't know why bikes aren't all "GP style". I flipped my shifter and it makes downshifting so much easier when rev-matching and I like pushing down to upshift.
Richard Mazur Yeah, I wonder why all bikes aren't "reverse/GP"-shift.
In fact, my old Yamaha FS1 moped was "reverse shift" as stock.
When you're on track it just feels more natural, especially with a quickshifter.
+Turklimanc If you really worry about downshifting on the road, you shouldn't ride at all or you are going way too fast
they don't even teach downshift-blipping anymore in our trackschools, cause it's virtually unneccessary.
with or without slipperclutches.
if the instructors (who were and some still are great racers in international championships) tell us to slip the clutch without blipping, that's what I'll do.
+lillnemo1 I downshift on the street because I use engine braking a lot to slow down. Have done that with my cars and now with my motorcycle since I started driving. It's just what I am accustomed to.
I don't understand the part you mention about not rev-matching on the track and just slipping the clutch. I still see pros rev-matching plenty. I have a track event coming up and may try the method of just slamming the gears down with the clutch disengaged and slipping it back in without rev-matching. Seems like I would have to give up some of my attention to try this method, though, I expect to be slower.
+lillnemo1 I watched a cheaply video about track downshifting and the argument for blipping the throttle instead of feathering the clutch was 'it might cost more money'.
Some people prefer rev matching but I found using the clutch more natural. My dad never taught me otherwise (ex-250 racer) so it became the way to do it.
I wonder about the wear and tear really costing more, it's not like sitting up hill at traffic lights for four minutes burning the clutch out.
+Richard Mazur you slip the clutch with each downshift. Watch some pre-2010(maybe later but better safe than sorry) Rossi and you'll see him do it every corner. Even with the slipper clutch and better electronics.
oooo,i see
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I'm a little surprised they use a clutch cable and not hydraulics.
it's useless weight and stuff to maintain, and riders almost never use the clutch so...
did they use clutch to brake?
Amir Shahmi No they don't... most of the riders use only front brakes.... rest is done by compression braking from engine :-)
RIDERS GOT TALENT wat about downshifts..??
you dont use front brake coming into corners because you'll load up the front suspension then the bike will jerk back on the rear suspension. when you brake you use the front and rear brake to slow then trail the back brake off when you are at the correct speed and gear
@Jamie dyer, that's not correct. You use the rear break maybe at some time to stabilize the bike other than that front brake only.
All taken care of by slipper clutch plus back brake
1:30 dead ass
on safety lol
Casett gearbox.
*any
Then why have clutch ;
how are you they going to launch the bike from a stop every race starts from a stop.
As a matter of fact my first race bike not only had reverse shifting it was also on the RIGHT side of the motorcycle (as were Spanish bikes on the right too albeit with conventional shift direction) down for up was common with early british bikes. I actually preferrec pressing down to shift up as in racing it is easier/faster more critical to get right accelerating where as downshifting you are slowing anyway.so less of the panick...I have always hated that nuetral is between gears it seems stupid (I mean we have a CLUTCH to work with so WTF?? WHY place it between gears???? I personally would prefer the moto gp method with the special lever for nuetral clicking all the way up to nuetral and clicking down to upshift Btw my british race bike ALSO had a cassete gearbox that could be removed in minutes without removing the engine or splitting the cases....even though I never needed to as that tranny was bullet proof and shited perfectly unlike my first bike a Yamaha that I blew 3 gear on multiple times and shifted like crap compared to my AJS
i don't see the slipper clutch..
They do as far as I know.
Sometimes they kick it into neutral by accident, it spoiled a couple of people's race.
I am not absolutely certain of this, but I am pretty sure.
No seamless shift for Colin.....bummer
Plz give me one chance.... I du sam new