“No one is going to leave Middletown and go to the Church gym…” I was that OVW freak that went weekly to all the shows (St Therese gym and the og Davis arena included). Thank you Jim for all the great childhood memories. My dad drove me from Mt Washington every week, and I’ll never forget the fun times we had.
0:00:00 Origins of OVW & how it worked, August 99 1:33:58 Part 2 Christmas Chaos, Jan 2001 2:45:25 Part 3: Last Dance, June 2001 3:49:08 Part 4: Six Flags Debut & New OVW Arena, August 2001
After coming home from the doctor's office today, and discovering that at 35 years of age my prostate is inflamed and need to have a full blood scan. I get a notification that there is 5 hours worth of Jim Cornette today. And it completely made my day. Thank you for the education!
@@manband20 Thanks Buddy! I'll get there. However watch out! Once I'm back in good health. I'm getting my fundamentals in! Thank goodness I have Cornette to educate me while i'm down and out! haha
Christopher Fitzgerald Thank you! Im too stuborn to go anywhere! Ive had to kick homelessness' ass to become a professional, touring recordong artist when i was younger. I just have to appy the same tenacity this time. But regardless of your age. Dont EVER let a doctor tell you you ate too young to take "this or that" seriously. You know when your body does not feel right. Etc... and this is what happens when chrinic pain causes the mind to go down rabbit wholes when replyng to comments on youtube. 🤣 Thanks again!
Growing up near Louisville, OVW was THE promotion. Nothing was cooler than seeing a wrestler you had saw in a high school gym the month prior debut on the main roster in WWE
OVW back in the day was magic. Too bad so many talent that made the main roster got butchered. Got some gems out of it too, but OVW had so much talent during that WWE period.
To me, the best thing about this deep dive is Jim's entrepreneurial spirit and drive to take his passion for wrestling and make it a reality. I love hearing the behind-the-scenes business acumen and dealings.
OVW was WWE development from 2000 until 2008. OVW became development for TNA/Impact Wrestling in November 2011 (lasted to November 2nd 2013 before re-uniteding their relationship a few months ago in 2019) and Nightmare Danny Davis sold OVW to Al Snow (whom is OVW's longest booker besides Cornette) in 2018. Cornette was part owner of OVW until 2007 (even though he was fired by WWE in 2005) when he sold his share to Nightmare Danny Davis [not be confused with former WWE wrestler and referee Dangerous Danny Davis].
I've listened to Cornette interviews for at least a couple years now. This is the first time I realised Danny Davis is not the former referee Dangerous Danny Davis. Mind blown.
Something really touching about the way he spoke with such pride regarding his mom being at Christmas Chaos, then his biggest self-run promotion show, was really very touching. This has been a helluva listen - many thanks to Jim and Brian for all the knowledge and entertainment.
Oh how I wish for a dvd or a book chronicling the history of OVW complete with exclusive photos and complete matches. I’d pay a lot for something like that.
I work a data processing job and am allowed to listen to podcasts while I work. Jim Cornette should just be the lone Supreme Wrestling Court Justice. That is all.
I think he just hates the country club bureaucratic nature of how the company is. Vince used to be somewhat of a genius, but he surrounded himself with yesmen and charlatans who think they know what WWE should be and are trying to poison the wrestling business. Guys like Russo, Dunn, Johnny Ace, and even guys like the Brisco Brothers and Patterson were stooges in their own right. I get there's nepotism in business, but when Vince is stuck in his bubble while his empire is eroding around him and everyone around him is convinced and actively convince him there's nothing wrong, it's nobody's fault but his.
@@thepunditspundit1776 Saudi Arabia, high praise indeed. >.> You know, there was a time when they didn't NEED Saudi blood money, yeah? They're carnies, they'd probably always take it but they didn't NEED it. Wasn't too long ago they cut pyro as an unnecessary expenditure.
Did you hear Hogan and Flair last night? Flair sounded like he was ten sheets to the wind, and Hogan sounded coherent enough for the both of them. Flair is 70, Hogan is 66. Yet they got probably the biggest pops of the night...and Flair’s timing was way off. That is because it goes beyond nostalgia. Both are masters of telling a simple story and hyping the crowd. People still believe those two are going to mix it up themselves. This is why WWE does have issues. Why wasn’t Dusty on RAW every week before he died? He was helping immensely on NXT, but HHH was holding it down. I’m naming masters of their craft...awareness of crowd, timing, selling, knowing when the heel should get the upper hand, and when the face should come back. Also knowing how to sell this thing as the biggest thing since electricity. Their dollars come from so many different avenues now. WWE Network, advertising, social media hits, TV deals, international deals, and on and on. That is what I mean by enough money. Saudi blood money and Fox deal will keep them alive through these lean moments. But I agree with you on a lot of things, and this new generation has a lot of trouble letting a story simmer even a little bit, and that is what the old men know how to do. The crowd reactions prove that the fans still want that.
One of America's best story tellers! Love the show! As a child of the 80's you take me back to a better place and time. Thank you . Brian's not so bad either
Cornette’s mentees: Jericho, Storm, Al Snow, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Benjamin, Batista, and more. Cornette is a live wire, but the HOF he trained and mentored could be its own Hall Of Fame
Jim Cornette is a savant of wrestling knowledge. If I had a billion dollars to start a wrestling promotion, the first man I would hire is Jim Cornette. I’m sure Jim would proceed to hire Walter, Ciampa, Kieth Lee, Ricochet etc. Easy money.
2:54:48 Taker also wrestled Hakushi for Michinoku Pro in 1997, teamed with Kane against APA at WXW's Yokozuna Memorial Show in 2001, did some matches for IWA Puerto Rico in 1997, and wrestled in USWA a bunch too. So he did end up working for several outside promotions.
Jim I worked with you in 2002-2003 when Kenny Bolin Started A Riot at Western High School! ( Almost got me Fired) I will say I'm happy one of my student decided that.he wanted to work in the wrestling business because HE MET YOU. He works in TNA as a referee. He was one if my favorite student . He got experience by watching you guys .
THIS is what you give when the show isnt gonna be on,Prichard needs to take notes. Its finals week for me so this will spread out perfectly and keep me sane. Thanks Jim and Brian 🙏🏾
Ah, you too have been tainted were exposed by the world's unfunniest roast that I'm amazed anyone made it through without going on a murderous rampage?
For anyone who doesn’t know - Jim Cornette is now a commentator amongst other things at Major League Wrestling (MLW) They have their own CZcams channel and they have their weekly Fusion events on Bein Sports followed by the events appearing on the CZcams channel a few days later. It’s an hour long each. Well worth the watch, they have talent such as - The Hart Foundation (Teddy Hart, Davy Boy Smith JR, Brian Pullman JR), Tom Lawlor, Low-Li, Jacob Fatu, LA Park, Dynasty (MJF, Alex Hammerstone, Richard Holliday), Von Erich brothers, and now Austin Aries to name but a few. Definitely worth the watch.
For anybody who ever questions Jim’s loyalty to the business,when he left WCW...he created Smoky Mountain. When he left WWF,he created OVW. A lot of ppl have made money from it but NOBODY loves the wrestling business like Jim Cornette. I dare say not even Vince McMahon.
The story behind Jim in SMW and Jim in OVW are not the same, Jim didn't create OVW. Danny Davis did and the WWF/E acquired it as a farm territory and sent Corny down to oversee things. Then Jim left the company and OVW stopped being a farm territory for WWE (I believe FCW was afterwards for a bit?) and much later became one for TNA, that fell through because TNA, and Danny Davis retired but didn't want to close down shop, so he sold it to Al Snow who decided in his middle-age to try and become one of the most influential figures in wrestling history - bit of a late start for the Snowman but I admire his zeal and he's certainly well-equipped for it. Partly through OVW he's been able to set up the first ever Professional Wrestling trade school, which is fully accredited - actually giving out degrees in professional wrestling, as well as strike a deal for network sponsorship of OVW (might be the fite network, idk) - my point is that the story of SMW is Corny's - the story of OVW is longer and encapsulates many individuals at the helm who made things possible through many different time periods.
01:26:25 I can actually imagine that transition in my head 01:53:38 That is one badass phonecall. 👏👏👏 02:01:47 so full of joy to hear that OVW achieved that 03:58:27 That's a vivid image.
I watched OVW on TV all the time growing up. The wrestlers that came through there were phenomenal. Punk, Miz, Sandow, Brent Albright, Marella, Johnny Jeter, Matt Capotelli, Kennedy. It was incredible. Still remember Sandow vs Miz vs Punk for the Championship. Fun update, Johnny Jeter is back in active wrestling in Arizona!
i love history of wrestling type of podcasts that are actually done by someone who was there. i was never a fan of ovw but i did see them live once but this was super entertaining and informative.
I live in Louisville and used to work in a building in Jeffersonville that was very close to the building Danny Davis had OVW in at that time. That whole area was close to ruins.
This was such a joy to listen to over the course of a few days. As someone who was in highschool during the early 2000s and didn't know shit about professional wrestling outside of what Raw and Smackdown presented, this was very educational and fun.
The only man I can have on in the background whilst I'm painting models or playing the computer and still be able to take in what's being said I've all kinds of podcasts, bipoics, d&d games, historical, spiritual, conspiracies... you name it. I just can't take them in whilst doing other things. I need to keep rewinding the same parts over and over Good ol' JC can be on in the background and I know everything that's being said
I like how Randy Orton in a promo once talked shit about bingo halls and performing for next to nobody but basically did all of OVW, averaging between 12-300 people most of the time 😬
Ive grown up in louisville and used to go to OVW shows from 2005-2009 and man it was awesome sucks i missed the big corny days but if it wasnt for him i wouldnt have had the great memories i did have!
For all the talk of Johnny Jeter being this amazing prospect with unfulfilled potential, and to be fair, I've never seen any of his work outside of the Spirit Squad, I think if anyone was going to be the next Chris Jericho, it would've been Alex Shelley. Especially when he was in Paparazzi Productions with Kevin Nash, seen a lot of Y2J in Shelley at that time.
Can't put everything back in Pandoras box and close it again. The answer isn't kayfabe, kayfabe isn't what it once was - it's only used now to describe the willful artifice. Kayfabe was a "mystique" - now, people knew wrestling was a work WAAAAAY back in the late 1930's when they stopped publishing match results in newspapers and the NYC papers ran exposes on the subject and killed the business there for decades - kayfabe was keeping people in the dark about how the sausage was made even if they had a general idea of what was in it. Nowadays, it's used as a way to say - "I'm method-acting, play along" - and that's okay. The trick isn't to pretend it's the 1960's again, it's to love and appreciate the artifice itself instead of what that artifice is trying to pretend is happening in the ring - I appreciate wrestling not as two or more people having a believable contest or fight, but I appreciate it as two or more professionals putting on a full-body performance. I never understood the fixation for pro wrestlers and fans to equate pro wrestling with a legitimate sport like MMA or boxing - why aim for a low rung on the hierarchical pyramid of sports contest, which even then would be an uphill battle due to mockery and scoffing, when you could very easily take a position at the top of a different pyramid as the most passionate, most spontaneous, most needing of dedication and long-form preparation, most arduous performance art there could ever be? Seriously, Pro Wrestling is like method acting, except the role you play never ends and the film you're in never finishes production - you stay method acting until you give up the ghost, until you can no longer separate you from "you" - that's better than a sport in my book. The past is the past, we shouldn't forget it but we're deluding ourselves if we think we can go back to it when there's opportunities to be had for the industry to evolve.
Agreed. Social media plays a big part in it, you watch Wrestler A Vs Wrestler B in a knockdown dragout brawl then 5mins after the show they're on twitter taking selfies with each other and using there real names.
Wrestling had been cracked open since the 1960's and boomed twice afterward. People never went to wrestling shows because they thought it was two guys really trying to fight each other, it's because it was entertaining and they believed that these characters wanted to beat each other up. That's the only thing consistent with every major wrestling boom except for maybe the WWF in the 80's but that faded quick because their product was emblematic of the pop style colorful cartoony zeitgeist that was the 80's. Misawa wanting to take the belt off Jumbo kicked off the AJPW 90's boom, Steve Austin wanting to torture McMahon, NWO vs WCW, you could argue to a degree AEW swearing to replace the WWE as the worldwide wrestling leader has gotten them more attention then any feud they've ever ran. People pretending wrestling going back to "being real" will solve everything are ignoring that A) people already knew and B) the biggest wrestling booms in history took place when people already knew it was fake.
No drive thru this week so Brian said here is the super dive on OVW. I just finished it and listened to every minute. There was a commercial back in the day, I ate the whole thing! I can't believe you ate the whole thing, I ate the whole thing! I enjoyed eating the whole thing at once, does this make me a top level eater and now can compete at Nathans?
Wonder if there's anyone else who has such detailed knowledge/records of Wrestling like Jim. He's probably got records of stuff like "I found a dollar under the seat of my car, put it in the old coke machine, got my sprite and change of a $5." 28th July 1994.
This was a great perspective on how OVW was run, what shows they had and whatever. Jim is really good at keeping track of dates and shows and things like that, as illistrated here. OVW is probably the last "territory" that's still going strong despite John Laurenitis almost killing it completely.
Love hearing Corny talk about running some of the best underrated promotions of all time....of course it couldn't top Smoky mountain Wrestling but still one of those great contributions to the industry
Corny is one of the few who could give a history lesson, and not have it go flat. Also love Brian. He's up where with the likes of Sean Oliver and Conrad Thompson as best wrestling hosts.
@@Njbear7453 And Velveteen Dream could be a Superstar but Vince will find a way to cripple his momentum. There was also Lars Sullivan before don't know what's going to happen now with him but he was a star in NXT.
Ricky Hunt Sullivan is just another big boy but has talent, velveteen dream like you said could be a massive massive superstar, personally I think rock- type superstardom. But it all depends on the booking and what happens when he’s eventually called up to the main roster.
@@Njbear7453 Let's not get carried away with Rock level superstar status. Lars is still green but theres been other green big men who went on to success Rusev and Braun come to mind recently. Too early to see how he fits into everything. I mean everyone thought EC3 was bound to succeed being that he checked all of vinces boxes and was decent in the ring and he barely gets on the show you never know
“No one is going to leave Middletown and go to the Church gym…” I was that OVW freak that went weekly to all the shows (St Therese gym and the og Davis arena included). Thank you Jim for all the great childhood memories. My dad drove me from Mt Washington every week, and I’ll never forget the fun times we had.
0:00:00 Origins of OVW & how it worked, August 99
1:33:58 Part 2 Christmas Chaos, Jan 2001
2:45:25 Part 3: Last Dance, June 2001
3:49:08 Part 4: Six Flags Debut & New OVW Arena, August 2001
OVW actually started in 1993
After coming home from the doctor's office today, and discovering that at 35 years of age my prostate is inflamed and need to have a full blood scan. I get a notification that there is 5 hours worth of Jim Cornette today. And it completely made my day. Thank you for the education!
Hope things get better, man. Pulling for you.
@@manband20 Thanks Buddy! I'll get there. However watch out! Once I'm back in good health. I'm getting my fundamentals in! Thank goodness I have Cornette to educate me while i'm down and out! haha
I'm pulling for you!!!
Christopher Fitzgerald Thank you! Im too stuborn to go anywhere! Ive had to kick homelessness' ass to become a professional, touring recordong artist when i was younger. I just have to appy the same tenacity this time. But regardless of your age. Dont EVER let a doctor tell you you ate too young to take "this or that" seriously. You know when your body does not feel right. Etc... and this is what happens when chrinic pain causes the mind to go down rabbit wholes when replyng to comments on youtube. 🤣 Thanks again!
Anytime!!!
Jim Cornette is one of the only people I can listen to at length on CZcams. He has this ability to make me want to listen for hours. A gem
Except him talking triple about Trump
Could listen to Jims podcasts all day.
Have one last run Jim!!!!
I do, i work alone, i put em on, after a few its home time, then i put em on for bed and fall asleep too them
Growing up near Louisville, OVW was THE promotion. Nothing was cooler than seeing a wrestler you had saw in a high school gym the month prior debut on the main roster in WWE
Samuel Lamar About what years was OVW?
OVW back in the day was magic. Too bad so many talent that made the main roster got butchered. Got some gems out of it too, but OVW had so much talent during that WWE period.
“Nothing” this was the pinnacle of existence for a man living in Kentucky in 2001.
Now your just bragging! Jim is the 💩🔥on the 🎤
Joe Massey
Jim is the flaming bag of shit on the mic?
5 hrs of Jim?! HELL YES!!
Jack Jones another man shouldn't get us this excited should it? "Thank you Fuck you Bye " 😂🤣
I miss being a kid in Louisville, having OVW at Kentucky kingdom every once in awhile was amazing
You are one lucky dude.
To me, the best thing about this deep dive is Jim's entrepreneurial spirit and drive to take his passion for wrestling and make it a reality. I love hearing the behind-the-scenes business acumen and dealings.
Man i love falling asleep to this stuff, its so soothing and peaceful listening to jims inner workings and history lessons
OVW was WWE development from 2000 until 2008. OVW became development for TNA/Impact Wrestling in November 2011 (lasted to November 2nd 2013 before re-uniteding their relationship a few months ago in 2019) and Nightmare Danny Davis sold OVW to Al Snow (whom is OVW's longest booker besides Cornette) in 2018.
Cornette was part owner of OVW until 2007 (even though he was fired by WWE in 2005) when he sold his share to Nightmare Danny Davis [not be confused with former WWE wrestler and referee Dangerous Danny Davis].
I've listened to Cornette interviews for at least a couple years now. This is the first time I realised Danny Davis is not the former referee Dangerous Danny Davis. Mind blown.
Lesnar looks like a juiced up Bobby hill.
I like to think that's what happened to Bobby after King of the Hill. Hank would be so proud, lol
That's my purse! I don't know you!
@@robinblake5054 literally as soon as I read that I thought of that brock scream 💀
@@robinblake5054 You literally stole my comment lmao
I don't think I've ever heard a more apt description for Paul E's favorite client
Something really touching about the way he spoke with such pride regarding his mom being at Christmas Chaos, then his biggest self-run promotion show, was really very touching. This has been a helluva listen - many thanks to Jim and Brian for all the knowledge and entertainment.
People who say Jim Cornette doesn’t know what he’s talking about 4 of WWE’s biggest stars learned under him in year one of OVW alone.
Although one of them is as boring as watching paint fucking dry. BROCK LESNAR
@@TimothyRice135 now he is
@@TimothyRice135 During his 1st run, he was the top guy
@Definitely NOT DB Cooper yeah who are John Cena?, Dave Batista? Randy Orton?, Shelton Benjamin?, Bobby Lashley?
@Definitely NOT DB Cooper There was some pretty good workers in that class
Oh how I wish for a dvd or a book chronicling the history of OVW complete with exclusive photos and complete matches. I’d pay a lot for something like that.
Man what id pay for a dvd collection of the television
They sold the library to wwe I think
I can still hear the Billy Idol "white wedding" opening for OVW TV
Hell of a Time to be Alive. 👍🏾
I work a data processing job and am allowed to listen to podcasts while I work.
Jim Cornette should just be the lone Supreme Wrestling Court Justice.
That is all.
@VFT - WHAT?? I'm the boss in my office.
As long as performance hits #s, me and my crew can work how we please. 😀
VFT - WHAT?? Dude you have to get out of Malaysia!!
No. Lol
Found what im falling asleep listening to tonight....
Found what I'm eating ass to tonight
@@F59x 🤣🤣🤣
Every nite for me bro
Many of my nights sleeping having audio streaming from Castle Cornette!
I woke up to this playing
This is amazing to listen to! I love these deep dives! Thank you so much. More please.
Thanks lot Jim for this History Of OVW Free Audio Book
🤣🤣🤣
Call me kooky but, something tells me Jim hated Connecticut.
I think he just hates the country club bureaucratic nature of how the company is. Vince used to be somewhat of a genius, but he surrounded himself with yesmen and charlatans who think they know what WWE should be and are trying to poison the wrestling business. Guys like Russo, Dunn, Johnny Ace, and even guys like the Brisco Brothers and Patterson were stooges in their own right.
I get there's nepotism in business, but when Vince is stuck in his bubble while his empire is eroding around him and everyone around him is convinced and actively convince him there's nothing wrong, it's nobody's fault but his.
Vince’s empire is not eroding. He just earned about four billion from Saudi Arabia and TV deals. The wrestling sucks, but WWE has never had more money
@@thepunditspundit1776 Saudi Arabia, high praise indeed. >.>
You know, there was a time when they didn't NEED Saudi blood money, yeah? They're carnies, they'd probably always take it but they didn't NEED it. Wasn't too long ago they cut pyro as an unnecessary expenditure.
Did you hear Hogan and Flair last night?
Flair sounded like he was ten sheets to the wind, and Hogan sounded coherent enough for the both of them. Flair is 70, Hogan is 66.
Yet they got probably the biggest pops of the night...and Flair’s timing was way off.
That is because it goes beyond nostalgia. Both are masters of telling a simple story and hyping the crowd. People still believe those two are going to mix it up themselves.
This is why WWE does have issues. Why wasn’t Dusty on RAW every week before he died? He was helping immensely on NXT, but HHH was holding it down.
I’m naming masters of their craft...awareness of crowd, timing, selling, knowing when the heel should get the upper hand, and when the face should come back. Also knowing how to sell this thing as the biggest thing since electricity.
Their dollars come from so many different avenues now. WWE Network, advertising, social media hits, TV deals, international deals, and on and on. That is what I mean by enough money. Saudi blood money and Fox deal will keep them alive through these lean moments. But I agree with you on a lot of things, and this new generation has a lot of trouble letting a story simmer even a little bit, and that is what the old men know how to do. The crowd reactions prove that the fans still want that.
Whoa, this more than makes up for no DT this week.
I wish Cornette could book Raw and Smackdown
Why so we can watch that old 80s style that's no one wants to see any more
@@jessieb9384 It couldnt be any worse than today's WWE programing that no one wants to see anymore? The putrid ratings prove it.
@@bullock4211 Well a lot of the 80s stuff is way less scripted than today's WWE and if you're used to OVERSCRIPTED wrestling that's what you enjoy
I think Jim would suffer a meltdown if he had to do that.
He would be in a nut house.
One of America's best story tellers! Love the show! As a child of the 80's you take me back to a better place and time. Thank you . Brian's not so bad either
Cornette’s mentees: Jericho, Storm, Al Snow, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Benjamin, Batista, and more.
Cornette is a live wire, but the HOF he trained and mentored could be its own Hall Of Fame
Jim Cornette is a savant of wrestling knowledge. If I had a billion dollars to start a wrestling promotion, the first man I would hire is Jim Cornette. I’m sure Jim would proceed to hire Walter, Ciampa, Kieth Lee, Ricochet etc. Easy money.
Just imagine if Jim could be more diplomatic he'd be a bigger force today. But then, Jim wouldn't be Jim.
@@joshuagumpert8910 I’d also hire Heyman
KANE
@@aidanrocha2043 Absolutely.
Just watched Johnny Jeter last night at CWFAZ and this guy is still going strong.
2:54:48 Taker also wrestled Hakushi for Michinoku Pro in 1997, teamed with Kane against APA at WXW's Yokozuna Memorial Show in 2001, did some matches for IWA Puerto Rico in 1997, and wrestled in USWA a bunch too. So he did end up working for several outside promotions.
So can somebody explain to me why wrestling fans like to act like Vince never worked with any other promotions? It’s a flat out lie.
This might have been some of the best 5 hours i had listening to Jim.
We need more ovw and smw deep dives...
I came to every Wednesday night TV. We showed up during ice storm and they still gave us a few matches
Jim I worked with you in 2002-2003 when Kenny Bolin Started A Riot at Western High School! ( Almost got me Fired) I will say I'm happy one of my student decided that.he wanted to work in the wrestling business because HE MET YOU. He works in TNA as a referee. He was one if my favorite student . He got experience by watching you guys .
Tell truth Brock Lesner us a bastard flavored bastard in bastard sauce!
Why Brag about Ken Kennedy(Anderson)?
Why dont you brag about Matt Morgan & Ken Kennedy( Anderson) you guys brought them up!
WCW had a syndicated program until the company died.
It was called WCW Worldwide.
That and WCW pro got me into wrestling.
@@steveg2251 Same. I watched the Nasty Boys squash some jobbers on Worldwide around '95 or so and was hooked from there.
SacredDust Nothing like the syndicated programming. In the fall of 95 I found ECW for this time at 2am on a Friday night and was hooked.
Actually WCW Worldwide final show air after the final Monday Nitro and they said at the end that's our last time no more WCW it was really sad ending.
Just finished this in a day. Absolutely gripping the whole way through. Thanks for this Jim and Brian!
Awesome sauce! I loved the OVW Deep Dives!
THIS is what you give when the show isnt gonna be on,Prichard needs to take notes. Its finals week for me so this will spread out perfectly and keep me sane. Thanks Jim and Brian 🙏🏾
Ah, you too have been tainted were exposed by the world's unfunniest roast that I'm amazed anyone made it through without going on a murderous rampage?
Coachg Don’t blame Prichard, blame the fat money mark in charge.
Travis McDonald agreed. I love Bruce, Eric and Tony. But Conrad just jump in this flood water here in Arkansas for all I care.
@@Dr170 That was the worst fucking roast I've ever heard in my life
There is no Bruce, Eric, and Tony without Conrad
For anyone who doesn’t know - Jim Cornette is now a commentator amongst other things at Major League Wrestling (MLW) They have their own CZcams channel and they have their weekly Fusion events on Bein Sports followed by the events appearing on the CZcams channel a few days later. It’s an hour long each.
Well worth the watch, they have talent such as - The Hart Foundation (Teddy Hart, Davy Boy Smith JR, Brian Pullman JR), Tom Lawlor, Low-Li, Jacob Fatu, LA Park, Dynasty (MJF, Alex Hammerstone, Richard Holliday), Von Erich brothers, and now Austin Aries to name but a few.
Definitely worth the watch.
Loved MJF, Hammerstone, and Holliday :)
For anybody who ever questions Jim’s loyalty to the business,when he left WCW...he created Smoky Mountain. When he left WWF,he created OVW. A lot of ppl have made money from it but NOBODY loves the wrestling business like Jim Cornette. I dare say not even Vince McMahon.
Of promoters who love the business, McMahon does not even crack the top 10. He loves making money, but he does not love the business.
Jim didn't create OVW, Danny Davis did.
@The Cortege exactly
Vince loves the BUSINESS, but he wanted it his way.
The story behind Jim in SMW and Jim in OVW are not the same, Jim didn't create OVW. Danny Davis did and the WWF/E acquired it as a farm territory and sent Corny down to oversee things. Then Jim left the company and OVW stopped being a farm territory for WWE (I believe FCW was afterwards for a bit?) and much later became one for TNA, that fell through because TNA, and Danny Davis retired but didn't want to close down shop, so he sold it to Al Snow who decided in his middle-age to try and become one of the most influential figures in wrestling history - bit of a late start for the Snowman but I admire his zeal and he's certainly well-equipped for it. Partly through OVW he's been able to set up the first ever Professional Wrestling trade school, which is fully accredited - actually giving out degrees in professional wrestling, as well as strike a deal for network sponsorship of OVW (might be the fite network, idk) - my point is that the story of SMW is Corny's - the story of OVW is longer and encapsulates many individuals at the helm who made things possible through many different time periods.
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
And Brian doesn't even say much he's a great co-host, he just let's Jim go and doesn't try cut him off or talk over him.
These CZcams videos Much more interesting than 97% of what's on TV today. Both content and his amazing and humorous presentation. Rock on...
01:26:25 I can actually imagine that transition in my head
01:53:38 That is one badass phonecall. 👏👏👏
02:01:47 so full of joy to hear that OVW achieved that
03:58:27 That's a vivid image.
Cena looks like Kiefer Sutherland in the thumbnail.
Looks like a buff Mr.Kennedy.
@@KAD10895 MR... CAMEL TOE!!!!
So we have cena orton brock and Bautista or prototype leviathan randy and Lesnar
My favorite video on youtube. I could listen to Jim talk about the old development territories forever.
I'm 30 in seconds and I just realized its 5 hours :o
Matt ADorno ooooooooo fuckkkkkkk
I watched OVW on TV all the time growing up. The wrestlers that came through there were phenomenal. Punk, Miz, Sandow, Brent Albright, Marella, Johnny Jeter, Matt Capotelli, Kennedy.
It was incredible. Still remember Sandow vs Miz vs Punk for the Championship.
Fun update, Johnny Jeter is back in active wrestling in Arizona!
This is awesome. Can we get one of these on his deep dive into ROH as well?
I'd like a Smoky Mountain Deep Dive.
What a great surprise. Wasn't expecting a bonus
Johnny The Bull was one half of the WCW tag-team champs The Mamalukes, along with Big Vito.
Was Johnny the bull in ECW? I remember big Vito was as he was part of the Baldies faction.
@@mr.perksy If he was I do not remember him in ECW.
Yep. Im gonna stay up all night. Thanks Jim.
2 hours in and can I say this is AMAZING. Thanks for doing this, I am massively enjoying this. Only criticism I have is Brian doesn't speak much!
Because people want to hear Brian and not Jim 😂
Just listening to this convinces me that in some universe Cornette owns WWE and it is bigger then the NFL.
i love history of wrestling type of podcasts that are actually done by someone who was there. i was never a fan of ovw but i did see them live once but this was super entertaining and informative.
5 hours of jim i dnt think my cooworkers know what they are in for...
This'll tide me over til Thursdays Experience
Pretty sure there returning monday to there regular schedule
I live in Louisville and used to work in a building in Jeffersonville that was very close to the building Danny Davis had OVW in at that time. That whole area was close to ruins.
It's ironic, how Jim talked about ppl being mad about WWE messing up their OVW talents that got called up. Sounds familiar with NXT call ups
Looked it up, it was shown on WBNA 21 (Now a CW station).
I hope Cornette continues this series at some point. I would love to hear his deep dives on 2003 OVW onward :)
This was awesome. I love deep dives.
2:01:09 I was there. Was in the Vincennes University gym. Met both Big Show and Batista/Leviathan afterwards.
I was 5 hours in and thought let me start over. DAMN THAT MAN CAN TELL A STORY!
Jim Cornette is a Wrestling Scribe. 🙏
@@VendreadMike95 i see you in 💘 with Jim. Would you let him hit?
5 hours, 8 minutes, and 53 seconds great show
This was such a joy to listen to over the course of a few days. As someone who was in highschool during the early 2000s and didn't know shit about professional wrestling outside of what Raw and Smackdown presented, this was very educational and fun.
The only man I can have on in the background whilst I'm painting models or playing the computer and still be able to take in what's being said
I've all kinds of podcasts, bipoics, d&d games, historical, spiritual, conspiracies... you name it.
I just can't take them in whilst doing other things. I need to keep rewinding the same parts over and over
Good ol' JC can be on in the background and I know everything that's being said
I like how Randy Orton in a promo once talked shit about bingo halls and performing for next to nobody but basically did all of OVW, averaging between 12-300 people most of the time 😬
The difference is Randy was only like 19 at the time, dude was IC Champ by 22 and Heavyweight champ by 24🤯 We’ll probably never see that again
The Katy Vick Angle happend in 02-03.
The lita miscarriage angle 04-05 when after Kane lost the mask.
I can listen to jim talk about wrestling all day!
Ive grown up in louisville and used to go to OVW shows from 2005-2009 and man it was awesome sucks i missed the big corny days but if it wasnt for him i wouldnt have had the great memories i did have!
I'll admit it. I looked up David Nelson and his "work" 😂😂😂
yes yes yes. Great that we get all the ovw episodes together
I love the floating torso in the artwork!!
For all the talk of Johnny Jeter being this amazing prospect with unfulfilled potential, and to be fair, I've never seen any of his work outside of the Spirit Squad, I think if anyone was going to be the next Chris Jericho, it would've been Alex Shelley. Especially when he was in Paparazzi Productions with Kevin Nash, seen a lot of Y2J in Shelley at that time.
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@@anonymousbo0318 what you laughing at?
Those super VHS tapes might be valuable.
Batista's doing his best Lt. Dan impression
Really interesting hearing about guys like Eugene and rob conway being so different before wwe.
People don’t realize Shelton was also a part of that class. However, not pushed as he was big.
Yep wwe wasted him bigtime.
I wanna hear Jim talk about Steve Bradley. His thoughts on him, his potential, why he never got called up?
Send in an email to Jim.
Great show
Are you the Daniel Spencer that is a ref for OVW?
If enough fans and wrestlers would start keeping kayfabe again, then the magic that was wrestling at one time might come back.
Can't put everything back in Pandoras box and close it again. The answer isn't kayfabe, kayfabe isn't what it once was - it's only used now to describe the willful artifice. Kayfabe was a "mystique" - now, people knew wrestling was a work WAAAAAY back in the late 1930's when they stopped publishing match results in newspapers and the NYC papers ran exposes on the subject and killed the business there for decades - kayfabe was keeping people in the dark about how the sausage was made even if they had a general idea of what was in it. Nowadays, it's used as a way to say - "I'm method-acting, play along" - and that's okay. The trick isn't to pretend it's the 1960's again, it's to love and appreciate the artifice itself instead of what that artifice is trying to pretend is happening in the ring - I appreciate wrestling not as two or more people having a believable contest or fight, but I appreciate it as two or more professionals putting on a full-body performance.
I never understood the fixation for pro wrestlers and fans to equate pro wrestling with a legitimate sport like MMA or boxing - why aim for a low rung on the hierarchical pyramid of sports contest, which even then would be an uphill battle due to mockery and scoffing, when you could very easily take a position at the top of a different pyramid as the most passionate, most spontaneous, most needing of dedication and long-form preparation, most arduous performance art there could ever be? Seriously, Pro Wrestling is like method acting, except the role you play never ends and the film you're in never finishes production - you stay method acting until you give up the ghost, until you can no longer separate you from "you" - that's better than a sport in my book. The past is the past, we shouldn't forget it but we're deluding ourselves if we think we can go back to it when there's opportunities to be had for the industry to evolve.
Agreed. Social media plays a big part in it, you watch Wrestler A Vs Wrestler B in a knockdown dragout brawl then 5mins after the show they're on twitter taking selfies with each other and using there real names.
Wrestling had been cracked open since the 1960's and boomed twice afterward. People never went to wrestling shows because they thought it was two guys really trying to fight each other, it's because it was entertaining and they believed that these characters wanted to beat each other up. That's the only thing consistent with every major wrestling boom except for maybe the WWF in the 80's but that faded quick because their product was emblematic of the pop style colorful cartoony zeitgeist that was the 80's. Misawa wanting to take the belt off Jumbo kicked off the AJPW 90's boom, Steve Austin wanting to torture McMahon, NWO vs WCW, you could argue to a degree AEW swearing to replace the WWE as the worldwide wrestling leader has gotten them more attention then any feud they've ever ran. People pretending wrestling going back to "being real" will solve everything are ignoring that A) people already knew and B) the biggest wrestling booms in history took place when people already knew it was fake.
No drive thru this week so Brian said here is the super dive on OVW. I just finished it and listened to every minute. There was a commercial back in the day, I ate the whole thing! I can't believe you ate the whole thing, I ate the whole thing! I enjoyed eating the whole thing at once, does this make me a top level eater and now can compete at Nathans?
Wonder if there's anyone else who has such detailed knowledge/records of Wrestling like Jim. He's probably got records of stuff like "I found a dollar under the seat of my car, put it in the old coke machine, got my sprite and change of a $5." 28th July 1994.
Here in Louisville. OVW was the show. MOST of us did not watch WWE. If we did it was to see the guys from OVW.
It's kind of odd that the promotion name Ohio Valley Wrestling but based in Louisville Kentucky instead of Cleveland Ohio.
47:03 This whole section of Jim going through his program is awesome. It's like watching Picasso paint.
That last 2 minute booking run Jim read had more action than anything Tony Khan 'booked' in a whole week of TV
If you wrote a book on ovw id buy it the day it comes out!
2:01! Vincennes Indiana ! That’s where I went to college
5 hours of Jim talking about what he knows best.. Oh Hell Yeah!!!!
This was a great perspective on how OVW was run, what shows they had and whatever. Jim is really good at keeping track of dates and shows and things like that, as illistrated here. OVW is probably the last "territory" that's still going strong despite John Laurenitis almost killing it completely.
Im not even a wrestling fan. But i watched when i was a kid. Jim can really tell a story. He is very talented.
WCW had at least a couple syndicated throughout its whole existence the last episode of WCW Worldwide actually aired after the last nitro
Worldwide had been on since 1975. The Pro started in 1985, and was was a continuation of the old Mid-Atlantic show, which had been on since 1958.
I have to imagine all the beer Steve Austin could drink was another $25,000.
Love hearing Corny talk about running some of the best underrated promotions of all time....of course it couldn't top Smoky mountain Wrestling but still one of those great contributions to the industry
What mad genius did these drawings?
Travis Heckel
This is awesome. I have a ton of housework to do and this made it easier!
Joseph Perkins was one of the WWF syndication "gurus".
I got to see an ovw show in campbellsville ky saw Luke Gallows and Nick Nemeth before their Wwe runs
1:11:10 The more things change, the more things stay the same.
i would laugh a lot if i saw brock lesnar fall into a volcano that is all
Corny is one of the few who could give a history lesson, and not have it go flat. Also love Brian. He's up where with the likes of Sean Oliver and Conrad Thompson as best wrestling hosts.
And when he's not busy with that, he's one of the best presenters in podcasting.
Brian can be sour sometimes but it can be funny when it makes Jim even be nice
Conrad is a f to m transexual
Anyone else distracted by Batista's lack of legs in that graphic?
Is that Batista? He looks tiny.
WWE hasn't been able to produce true home grown stars since that OVW class of Cena, Orton, Batista, and Lesnar
Too bad Vince is crippling NXT talent that comes up
The main issue is that NXT consists of Indy promotion and stars from other promotions. The ONLY homegrown product in NXT is the velveteen dream
@@Njbear7453 And Velveteen Dream could be a Superstar but Vince will find a way to cripple his momentum. There was also Lars Sullivan before don't know what's going to happen now with him but he was a star in NXT.
Ricky Hunt Sullivan is just another big boy but has talent, velveteen dream like you said could be a massive massive superstar, personally I think rock- type superstardom. But it all depends on the booking and what happens when he’s eventually called up to the main roster.
@@Njbear7453 Let's not get carried away with Rock level superstar status. Lars is still green but theres been other green big men who went on to success Rusev and Braun come to mind recently. Too early to see how he fits into everything. I mean everyone thought EC3 was bound to succeed being that he checked all of vinces boxes and was decent in the ring and he barely gets on the show you never know