MasAir B767 has ENGINE FIRE/FAILURE AFTER TAKEOFF + Bad Weather
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2021
- MAS Air Cargo B767 performing flight from LAX to Mexico City was on the initial climb when the pilots reported a fire indication and right engine failure. Pilots requested vectors to run checklists and decide which airport they would land at.
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Engine failure with a possible fire + bad weather all around. *Kudos to those pilots!!*
Indeed, well done guys, terrible conditions for you.
And for any controllers out there, the pilot’s priority order is: aviate; navigate; communicate. Under normal circumstances you get to dictate, but when it’s an emergency flight, they need all the help they can get. If they’re not talking to you, they’ve got their hands full. Give them a moment and try again. If you constantly request a response, you may be pulling their attention away from something far more immediate than talking to you! We know you’re anxious, but give them a break. And above all, LISTEN and take NOTES. He told you his POB and fuel in his initial call, a spectacularly good emergency declaration. He doesn’t need you asking him for info he’s already given you when he’s dealing with a fire onboard!
Using this overlay is 1000% better than the other black one you use. Would love if you kept using it.
@@ayylmao29 Agree totally! I image it can be hard though to put together all the images and layers, but it makes it more visually pleasant and informative!
@@BillySugger1965 A 767 should be able to fly for about three (3) hours with just one (1) engine.
Not impressed at all by the SoCal approach controller’s communication. I hope that he is a relatively new trainee. The pilots did exactly what they needed to do.
What part of standby for intentions does the controller not understand.
Check in after 5-6 minutes but geez you're right
@@rudi_ghuliani check in after 5 mins is expected. Its Aviate navigate communicate so it makes good sense thats there's a gap.
So once they got the aircraft stabilised and routing were they want they communicated and that can takes a few minutes.
Yes
Hard to understand what he was saying. I wouldn't have understand he said standy for intentions if didn't subtitles.
@@teytreet7358 are you in aviation? I’m a pilot and I heard and understood all of his communications without the subs.
Pilot: Possible controller deviation, I have a number for you to copy whenever you're ready.
Not bad for ATC's first day on the job.
That was lowkey funny 😂
😂😂😂
I was thinking "I chose the wrong day to quit smoking" or "I chose the wrong day to quit sniffing glue"
Some of the clearest emergency communications from pilots that I’ve ever heard. Very frustrating to hear ATCs responses given how clear and concise the pilots requests were.
The pilot should have been more forceful with his responses. Worst case is to tell ATC to shut up.
Not really the clearest but understandable, they spoke really fast at some points
It sounded like the pilot was teaching the ATC. Like a teacher giving a lesson. : /
I understand the controller has the best intentions asking questions and requesting instructions, but talking after the pilot said stand by for intentions and asking again questions that were already answered just puts more strain in an already dire situation.
Was just about to say this. When someone says "standby" over the airwaves, you standby.
That controller needs to write things down. Like souls on board, nature of emergency, what are your intentions. Then he wouldn't need to ask the same questions again and again.
I've watched a lot of these videos and this one had me audibly frustrated. I literally was groaning at that controller lol.
yeah but he was getting too far from the airport, probably that was the ATC concern.
The controller is not listening to these pilots-at all.
Might i make the remark that this was the BEST mayday declaration I've heard on here? Somewhere down in the books it will mention: "When you declare a mayday ATC will ask you souls on board, fuel and whether you have dangerous goods on board". That's almost ALL of this is immediately in the initial mayday declaration! (and the last item (dangerous goods) is volunteered instead of asked-by-atc).
Might I make the remark that is was one of the WORST handling of a mayday by ATC that I've listened to here? The pilot volunteers all the information, and THEN he needs to ask it again. When they ask "standby for intentions", he keeps bombarding them with questions. When they ask to fly straight, he gives them a new heading. When they deviate for weather: "What heading are you on?".... NO! You should know there are thunderstorms in the area. Planes fly around those all day. This plane is crippled a bit and has even more reason to avoid extra trouble. So when you see them suddenly turn right with a thunderstorm in front of them.... "MAS air 6853 heavy, permission to deviate right for weather".
2 is the number of souls. Not 3 and not 1. 4 is right out.
Any Pyhton reference gets a like :-)
One.. Two... Five!
Losing an engine...it's just a flesh wound!
@@dr_jj Three, sir!
Shrubbery, anyone?
The first officer was sensational with his communications from the get go. Excellent aviator
Legends have it, the LAX Departure controller is still asking MAS Air 6853 heavy about his intentions
"When able ..." Then keeps asking
😂😂😂
Imaging him standing in an empty room. "MAS Air, do you need to land right now? MAS Air?"
As people have said, pilots gave clear and useful information. And, man, they were also so patient and polite, ending with “please”, “sir”, all the time. Kudos!
Pucker factor well handled by the crew. Good learning opportunity for the controller, to take a deep breath and remember that when you hear the magic M word you are no longer controlling you are just facilitating.
Pilots: "Engine failure" ... "engine failure" ... "stand by for intentions" ... "just hold on, stand by intentions, please"
ATC: "soooo, do you want to come back and land?" "do you need to land right now?"
Not only that but what is the nature of emergency, hello i just told you engine failure.
Yup, atc was pushing a bit, including giving a climb (over ocean) when they just reported an engine failure.
Aircraft in emergency: "request present heading"
ATC: "Fly heading..."
Yeah, it was a bit much. ATC was trying to calm him down.
To be fair, with the speed the guy was talking and his thick accent, it is extremely hard to make out him saying "stand by intentions". The controller didn't have subtitles.
This controller is the equivalent of the waitress who waits until you have a mouth full of food to ask how your meal is...
They all do, it's part of their training. Got a laugh out of one once when I commented on it. ;-)
Or a dental technician who wants to chit-chat back and worth while you have 2 tubes and a dental pick in your mouth.
my wife asks me that before I even get the fork ready
For anyone who cares, an update!!
They have decided to replace the #2 engine, which has arrived early this morning at approximately, 15:00-17:00z feb 2.
More news to come, hopfully
Holy Smokes! Great capture Victor!
More circles in the sky than my first Spirograph. Stby for an update...Juan.
I miss you Juan
From down under
Controller needs to chill
Looking forward to your video on this Juan.
Control pissed me off 😑 hopefully they’ll use this for training to point out what not to do Great job pilots and ofc ATC
Controller should’ve got the message that the pilots are following the first rule, aviate. They could’ve done without the constant harassment. It’s the controllers job to move away any traffic and anticipate future headings etc. that may involve other traffic.
737 driver here. Armchair aviators seem to believe that when an aircraft declares an emergency ATC should be able to snap a switch and miraculously clear the skies for 100 miles in every direction. Unfortunately, the traffic is what it is at any given moment and airplanes are bound by the laws of physics. It takes a finite amount of time for the controller to clear the road once they know what road the pilots want to take. Thus, when a controller asks for intentions they are not harassing the pilots but rather trying to help them by anticipating their needs. "Aviate, navigate, communicate" is a very sound rule but, as our chief pilot once remarked, it was not written in stone by the finger of God. Calming and reassuring the pax can wait but it may be a smart decision to thumb the mic switch long enough to say "we need to come back right now" or "stand by." Silence, though sometimes unavoidable (Oh bugger, the cockpit is full of smoke!), doesn't help anyone. A GA pilot may have practiced dealing with engine-out emergencies once or twice but airline pilots and ATCs have done so hundreds of times. Just sit back and watch the pretty blinking lights.
@@omniryx1 They said twice "stand by". And the first time the pilot said engine failure and then ATC asks again for emergency reason? Sorry, I think you are watching a different video.
@@omniryx1 Well that’s wrong, surprising as you’re a pilot. They stated numerous times to standby. You must’ve seen many mayday incidents and rarely is ATC this annoying in repeating requests. They clearly don’t know their intentions at the time and the controller seem to think repeatedly asking which magically make it happen, adding more stress to them. If the pilots are repeatedly telling you standby, then standby because they clearly don’t have an answer or are occupied with more important tasks. Very few ATC have been this annoying, they ask for souls and fuel when able, nature of emergency when able, fly at what speeds etc however you want. ATC then moves traffic, after mayday, that plane has priority and say over the ATC commands or orders, unless there is a indirect threat such as low terrain.
I'm not sure if you could call it "harassment". Don't forget the pilot issued a mayday and even provided souls on board which probably gave the ATC the impression that he was returning to LA without delay which requires ATC to coorodinate moving other flights and with supervisors.
In the absence of confirmation the ATC could only hope the pilot doesn't just change course and return on his own.
Harassment is absolutely not the correct word. The ATC could have been much a better communicator but you don’t seem to appreciate the intricate nature of their job.
Jeez you would hope they would have better controllers working in LAX airspace
Agree. I know they are busy, but the pilot gave all the information on the initial call; information the controller asked for several times later.
Not this Controller's best day -- no judgement meant. But he didn't make it easy for that crew to concentrate on flying that airplane.
Why does everyone act like "judgment" is a bad thing? Of course you "judged" him ("Not [his] best day"). Nothing wrong with that.
@@falcon759 [edit] No, 'he should be fired and his family's life ruined' with intrusive and vilifying social media campaigns' judgement meant. :)
Pilot speaks quite clearly. First ATC seems to have problems understanding him🤣 At LAX you should be used to accents 🤔
yeah + his accent was very clear too
Especially a Mexican accent.
To be fair the radios suck
@@Mixer-he2wb It was not even a very strong Mexican accent.
When an emergency begins the workload can obviously be exceptionally high for both the flight crew and for ATC. As someone who wears both hats (ATC & CFI), one small part of my advice is to generally wait a couple of minutes on the "fuel on board" and "souls on board" information until the initial situation stabilizes. For the pilot to provide that information in the initial transmission, almost any controller will not capture it on the first attempt. For any controller who asks it right away instead of waiting, the flight crew is often too busy in the first couple of minutes.
Agree, then again, one can note the tone of urgency in the pilots voice, "give me a chance". I would venture to say this controller is either in training and his monitor is seeing how he would handle the emergency or he is newly certified in that position.
Interesting perspective. I viewed this as the pilot trying to be efficient and get that information out of the way asap so as to focus on flying and checklists.
I thought when declaring an emergency, sob and fuel should be noted in the same transmission.
@@ZsomborZsombibi- There is no specific order as to how it said or asked for. The goal is to get it, soon as possible, so it can used by airport rescue personnel.
@@ZsomborZsombibi It's very unusual to hear the Pilot indicating it without being asked by ATC.
Being a pilot and listening the way the crew handled the emergency, just make me feel chills. They did what they are trained to do. First of all its not their native language but they give all the info necessary since first call. I read that some people here say that you can fly easily with one engine in a 767 for 3 hours. We have to be there to feel the adrenaline rush of the moment. Of course a plane can fly with one engine fir a time, and a plane can do a lot more than that, just remember what Sully said, you are taking off the human factor. I have been flying for almost 20 years now, and every time i go to sim session i see pilots from all around the world and lots of experience of flight hours. But let me tell you that in the sim most of the tine you feel stressed even though you know its not real. But when you face the emergency light bright red master caution ⛔️ in real life, the world stops for a moment and the faster you realize this is happening the more tine you will get to act. You don’t know at the moment what caused the fire, and id it has done more damage or if its going to go away just by firing the bottle. They managed to do everything the way it was supposed to be. They flew, they navigated and also communicated with all the info since first call. So two things weren’t professional: 1.- ATC was not helpful, let them act without calling them.( again remember sully’s atc talk)
2.- People sitting and saying that it wasn’t an emergency and that the plane alone could fly for hours with one engine. Remember the plane can fly with one engine, but it doesn’t say if fire caused more problems or if fire was caused by striking something that could have damaged something else.
The stressed out pilot told the controller at least 3 times, 2 souls on board.
Yeah he sounds really frantic and it's understandable
Glad to hear pilots declare- but dang controller needed to stop and breath.
"Standby for intentions"
That departure controller listens about as well as my 14 year old.
I saw the alert come up on Flightradar24, then saw it on AVHerald, and was really hoping you'd make this video!
Edit: Great to hear the pilot state souls and fuel on board right away, not that ATC seemed to listen to any of it.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate
ATC has a job to do, to keep EVERYONE safe in their airspace. But damn, chill the hell out and let them solve their issue or figure out what they need to do. How many times does the crew have to tell you, STANDBY for intentions!? Good on the crew for keeping a cool attitude with their existing problem and the jack@$$ controller.
"I told them everything the need to know...unknown souls onboard, unknown emergency, unknown heading, unknown cargo, unknown intentions." Chilling juxtaposition after seeing so many of these where the controller probably saved lives by basically letting the pilots do what they do and not act like their late for a date and being annoying by having an emergency.
What’s sad is that the ATC probably thinks in his mind that he was as helpful as can be. But personally I believe he made it a bit more stressful on the pilots of having to repeat themselves
Where did you get your atc training?
@@sludge4125 I believe it's called an opinion. Perhaps you can let us know in the ATC manual the reasons for repetitive questions he's already gotten the answers to? Asking for a friend 😊
@@sludge4125 pilot says “standby for intentions” and then immediately asking several times what they want to do is proper training???
@@16MedicRN I didn’t ask for an opinion. I asked the gentleman where he got his atc training.
If you have problems with the English language, I will be glad to explain it to you in simpler terms.
@@sludge4125 awesome answer, non answer 🙄 As far as the English language goes, when you imply that someone who makes a statement/opinion about ATC asking repetitive questions that they've already been given the answers to, lacks the required training to justify asking those repetitive questions that they've neglected to either hear, or keep track of, isn't a problem with the English language. It's a problem with your presentation, and insinuations. Hope this clarifies 😊
For every good controller there is a questionable one. The MAS air pilot did a GREAT job communicating his problem, his need AND his intentions STAND BY. I was so frustrated listening to the first two minutes of this video because the controller was SO NOT LISTENING! Then he was testy about not getting a response. Saying that - he MAY have had multiple frequencies talking in his ear as has been happening FREQUENTLY in this COVID age. ATC is severely understaffed.
This is a textbook example of everything wrong with US ATC. The *only* thing it's missing is the controller trying to speak too quickly in an effort to sound cool.
Do tell us more, Cannot wait to hear all about it!
The controller should just have read the subtitles, to avoid misunderstandings.
Repeatedly saying “stand by” to the controller seems to be the polite civilian version of “Judy Judy”.
The pilots should have pulled a Joe Biden on the ATC: “will you shut up, man?” 😂😂😂😂
Or “Get down and give me 50! Right now!”
"cmon man"
Come on man
Lets do push-ups together
@@blake9908 "corn-pop!"
The airspace above my home is part of March ARB, one of their blue lines while circling went right overhead.
Aside from the mentioned airports in the audio, there is another former AFB, San Bernardino international airport (KSBD, formerly Norton AFB) that has a 10,000’ runway. It’s primarily used for cargo and firefighting planes.
I have watched so much of this channel that I'm finally not needing to read every word on the captioning and understanding some of the lingo.
Thank you for the consistently good content and I appreciate everyone else's extra knowledge in the comments - great channel!
Okay, am I the only one who got annoyed with ATC when the emergency was first declared? ATC ignored the pilot's request to standby and pestered them with questions that had already been answered ("Mayday, Mayday, Mayday ; MAS Air 6853 heavy, engine failure" ATC: "Say nature of emergency"), and just generally acted like they were wayyyy behind the curve with their head up their posterior.
I waz wondering why that aircraft was at my ramp this morning!! we dont run that carrier out of ontario.
And yes it bugs me to that atc24 doesn't monitor 128.1 as well!
I am just in awe of this pilots cockpit control. I would love to hear the CRM going on.
A 767 should be able to fly for about three (3) hours with just one (1) engine.
@@sludge4125 and two (2) souls on board.
This ATC IS A PAIN IN THE ARSE! He is not listening and annoying the pilots
Boy when ATC continuously fails to know the meaning on standby it lowkey irritates me 🤦🏾♂️
what's "lowkey" about that? why does gen z need to add "wait" and "lowkey" to every sentence?
@@DavidDavid-jb1cy or like i must like add like to every like sentence like like yeah like
@@kj4ilk Beatniks were saying ''Like'' for every other word 62 years ago.
''Like, Dobie ya want a hit, man? No thanks Maynard, I'm good.''
@@DavidDavid-jb1cy I hella legit feel you on that cuz
@@HootOwl513
Frank J Doobie has a mall at UT ▬ Thousands pay thousands
Dataza da way it iz Liz ~ Zoomer's rule now
Not quite enough listening from the controller. Great example of how ATC becomes a major distraction
Not that dealing with an emergency is enough, controller then doubles his workload.
Be cool, LAX. Pilots are busy. So glad they made it!
MAS stated Mayday, and has said stand by for intentions, and request fly present heavy. So leave them alone. Don't keep asking questions. Don't ask them to turn when it's not necessary.
Rumor has it that controller is still asking if they want to land now.
Glad to know everything went ok. I live right next to KONT and I know the airport to be great when trying to avoid LAX, whether you're a passenger or pilot.
I get the controller is trying to help but "standby" works both ways !
Pilots did a great job of aviate-navigate-communicate.
"Stand by...Stand by...Stand the fuck by!"
I'm not a pilot. But, I'll fly with that guy anytime.
Thank you very much!
Pilot: "KONT and KSAN"
ATC: "ONT and SNA?"
Pilot: "Ontario and San Diego"
ATC: "SNA is Santa Ana"
??
Yes, quite embarrassing. That would have been in his facility rating exam, 39nm KLAX to KONT, time for some refresher training.
ATC was expecting them to ask for KSNA since it is closer than KSAN (expectation bias), and just a flip of the last 2 letters.
@@sakumisan maybe, but it’s well known in the area that 767s can’t land at SNA, even by an LA Departures controller. The absolute biggest plane that lands there is 1 A306 a day, and the rest are 757 and below. 5,701’ longest runway. And with only one engine, never gonna happen. They used nearly 80% of the 10,200’ runway at ONT to come to a full stop and exit.
@@YourAllDayPass which A300 lands at SNA?
@@rocketPower047 FedEx. During the holidays, UPS increases from a 757 to an A306 as well.
Surely ATC wouldn’t pepper the pilots with questions seconds after being told to standby, but the well trimmed silences seem to be giving many the impression that’s what happened.
I found the Air Traffic Controller very frustrating - told to stand by and kept interfeering with requests when told to stand by - he was also told the souls on board, fuel remaining and dangerous goods early on and had to ask again.
The pilots seem to have handled it decisively, communicated clearly and efficiently. Holding turns were correctly to the left to avoid turning into the dead engine. The crew and the lithium batteries lived for another flight..
Kudos to all pilots and air traffic control great job
Hello nice video. Grate job that crew 👏preformed. Saludos Iberian
ATC fail.
I’m sure most on here would be screaming to the ATC, shut up, listen to what I am saying, clear space, keep my heading and altitude, we are fighting an engine fire with dangerous cargo on board, we will come back to you ASAP when we can.
Never comment on colleagues but this ATCO has some issues with listening and talks a little bit too much especially in such emergency 😳
Pilot gave him everything on the first report and he is still asking ?
He was so excited, he forgot to write the info down, a rookie mistake.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 The first time, sure, but he didn't write it down the second time either?
@@OntarioTrafficMan Then he must have been suffering from shock, working this simple scenario!
@@OntarioTrafficMan Are you from the same Ontario airport where they landed?
@@marcospark2803 No I'm from the Province of Ontario in Canada, not Ontario, California.
Ontario, CA, not Ontario, CA
Great jo by pilots... 👍👍👍
Hola, Estepona! Well, that pilots adrenaline got a rush today!
omg I saw that plane when I was looking at the radar and didnt know it was an emergency
very first caption, that's direct PEVEE, small shortcut on the departure off the south complex.
that was hard to listen too
So it was more than simply a pleasant surprise to see her parked by The Primes (Amazon) while omw back home after dropping my son off for work at UPS (on Jan 29th).
Remember the video a little while ago where we had the great controller who...
would it be possible to include timestamps in these? sometimes it's hard to get a grasp on how long these take to play out. nothing fancy just a HH:MM:SS would be nice.
What a useless controller.
"Stand by for intentions"
"Do you need to land right now?"
@Gummel - great avatar! - I thought there was a hair on my monitor until it moved with the scroll wheel
Jesus this ATC. Pilot politely said, stand by ... but noooo, ATC needs to put more pressure on them.
damn, ATC, pay attention!!!
Pilots prioritised keeping the aircraft flying first...
Sounds like they were busier than 1 handed paper hangers for a while.
Wonder when it happened. They drifted pretty far right of course on the initial climb. You didn’t show it but ATC gave them multiple immediate left turn instructions because they were off course and heading into the north complex departure corridor.
MasAir's fleet size is 3. We had two emergencies on this channel within a week. I can see Bender's chest door falling off again. xD
And here I was scratching my head how Ontario could be anywhere close to LAX, until I finally realised that they were talking about Ontario, California.
Socal Approach needs to LISTEN better the pilot stated his problems and ALL Emergency information, yet the controller kept asking him questions he had already answered. He, the pilot, has a Heavy Jet with hazardous cargo on board and lost an engine on takeoff. BOTHERING THE PILOT IN A DECLARED EMERGENCY is poor controlling. And, yes, I'm a former Controller with 14 years of experience, retired. Now they may be doing training, but if he is in training, his trainer needed to unplug him.
Wow this was a serious problem
New controller should have called for supervisor at the first mayday. Aviate navigate communicate but ATC didn’t stop talking!
Like I said, I feel sorry for the ATC that talks to much, asks to many questions or "doesn't standby enough" to meet the subjective need of the comment jury. This guy is it. The past group of VAS downloads has had exceptional ATC comms and directions. Everybody is getting on this guy when he has a mayday heavy not answering the radio initially and then having special navigation needs. He talked a lot but I understand why. What you heard was the limits of a 2 person flight deck. Very overtaxed early while trying to diagnose how big a problem they had.
The usual blasé, no F's given attitude of LAX approach. Back east, controllers may be rude, but they are sharp and attentive.
The pilot was acting correctly: "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate"; the controller just stressed him out even woorse.
I think the"...do you need to land right now?..." ATC comment was not meant to be annoying. I think the controller interpreted the long delay in response from the flight and the energetic and emotionally heightened relay of information regarding the engine failure as more than just a mayday and that the pilots might be in danger of losing the airplane any second. He wanted to clarify if the pilots needed to do a 180 and get right back in.
Fantastic Crew. Very helpful ATC. Good all the way around, very professional Crew.
Also, ATC guy will do equally well as a 911 dispatcher some day.
I wanna say something from a controller's perspective
1.The first thing on our manual is to learn the nature of the situation and get to know the pilot's intention. So either you ask or your supervisor will hash you to ask
2.Can't decide what to do until the pilots tell us what they gonna do, and there might be something urgent（Restricted area ahead, etc）. I believe the controller was trying to help, but have to admit he'd gone too far.
3.Really can't make it out the pilot said“Standby for intentions”, since I'm not a native speaker, don't know if it's my problem
Shockingly bad ATC. Didn't seem to listen to anything the pilot was telling him, instead just demanding immediate answers to his questions. That guy some re-training.
Where did you get your atc training?
I wonder if there are two souls onboard.....!!!
Better ask the pilot...
FYI @VASAviation The opening title seems to have become misaligned, so that it reads "EAL AVIATION COMMUNICATIONS" with the beginning cut off. Thought I would point it out, just in case it's a template that you'll be using again!
I messed up with the layers and zoom this time
The crew was trying to fly while constantly interrupted by ATC.
To be fair to the controller, it's easy for us to understand "engine failure" and "stand by intentions" on a message that we're seeing pre-transcribed. Plus we don't know what other noises the controller was having to deal with - even just a controller speaking nearby could interfere with the vocal pattern of the pilot (like how when someone is talking at the same time as dialog in a TV show/movie can make you not understand either).
The pilots spoke really fast with an accent and bad grammar which I am sure didn't help either.
@@navigator9905 Agreed.
nah, the pilot spoke slower and clearer than the ATC.
@@MrCodingGuy We must be watching some different video.
The ATC don't have noise cancelling headphones?
Such a great job done by ATC as well as pilots:).
ATC must be deaf or something..
My goodness, what a terrible controller, he kept making questions about things that had already been answered, did not give time after the pilot said stand by and was trying to rush them.
....and then after three hours of flying in circles over the skies of California they landed safely.
Lot's of comments about stating intentions, but somehow I don't think the commenters realize the time skipped between each transmission.
This controller made this already scary situation worse with his neediness and over communication. All of his questions were answered and intentions stated clearly from the outset. Let the pilots do their jobs to get their emergency under control. Not a good showing by this ATC.
Stand by for intentions please x3
Well done pilots! And controllers. Engine fire/failure with bad weather sounds lovely! *insert sarcasm
Plus dangerous items.
@VASAviation. I see some comments about ATC nagging the pilots. How big are the gaps between transmissions. Are the gaps between radio transmissions longer than they appear?