Discrete Math - 1.5.2 Translating with Nested Quantifiers

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  • @2251230
    @2251230 Před 3 lety +74

    If there is a nobel prize for teaching, you deserve it. thx u for making my life so much easier.

    • @tanhnguyen2025
      @tanhnguyen2025 Před 6 měsíci

      don't flatter her up. What she taught u in these videos were just merely the tip of the iceberg. Deep down, there's a lot of stuff u miss out on by watching these videos and in order to have a deep understanding u gotta learn from the original textbook where they show you detailed minutiae of the concepts and give you hands-on problems

    • @user-fj2bs1zn5z
      @user-fj2bs1zn5z Před 3 měsíci

      a good textbook?? ​@@tanhnguyen2025

    • @t.o.g.thatoneguy5130
      @t.o.g.thatoneguy5130 Před 2 měsíci

      @tanhnguyen2025 🤓 ^ "urmh actualy dont flatter her even though I couldn't do an 80 part lecture series on this I can read the book and master the way of discrete math better than you peasants" get a life bozo

    • @PeytonUtley-rn7wg
      @PeytonUtley-rn7wg Před 2 měsíci

      @@tanhnguyen2025 shut up nerd

  • @habib_khan
    @habib_khan Před 2 lety +26

    I can't thank you enough Professor. The entire playlist is literally a gold mine for students taking DM. I've shared it to my classmates and everyone love your videos. Thank you for making this course easy for us. You're an absolute gem!

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks so much! Glad they help, and thanks for sharing!

    • @habib_khan
      @habib_khan Před 2 lety

      @@SawFinMath 🤍✨

  • @valeriereid2337
    @valeriereid2337 Před 2 lety +7

    Thank you Professor Brehm I will remember you as the person who got me to understand logic.

  • @lindadeng3149
    @lindadeng3149 Před 2 lety +10

    I have a question for 15:59. Isn't z present for all of the classes at BN? For both x,y has taken all of the classes?

  • @coolkaw4497
    @coolkaw4497 Před rokem +3

    it seems that more brain power is required in this lesson compared to the ones before. I am starting to have to pause and think for a good minute or two for each question now! All of the variables and propositions can be quite overwhelming at first glance. Thanks for going through each and every step

  • @LamNguyen-nm1fq
    @LamNguyen-nm1fq Před rokem

    Thank you for your video. I've a hard time trying to learn discrete math until I found your channel.

  • @PainRUify
    @PainRUify Před 4 lety +12

    At 18:00, can the answer be ExVy(p(x,y) where P(x): x has taken a flight on airline y ? Thanks!

    • @karanveersingh5535
      @karanveersingh5535 Před 2 lety

      Thats what I thought , but is it true. Hoping u know it after 1 year.🧐

    • @zhuziyuan4141
      @zhuziyuan4141 Před 2 lety +1

      what you have shown is that there is a man who has taken all flights.

    • @maryl8614
      @maryl8614 Před měsícem

      That's what I got, too, with a slight modification: P(x): x has flown on airline y. I feel like this should work, unless the original problem is stating that the man has only take 1 flight (and only 1 flight) per airline?

  • @rchimedes
    @rchimedes Před 4 lety +12

    At 14:40, I thought y was a class? Why is it now being considered a student?

    • @chrisgriswold407
      @chrisgriswold407 Před 4 lety +15

      As far as I can tell, this is simply a poor choice of variable names but is otherwise correct. The names given to the variables in the function declaration "S(x,y)" have no bearing on how it is called. All that matters is that you have a function S that takes two parameters, a student and a class in that order. So, down at the bottom when she is calling the function is when she is making the determination that x and y are students and z is a class. I think it would have been a lot less confusing if she would have just used different letters for the declaration, such as "P(s,c)".

  • @wintutorials2282
    @wintutorials2282 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Omg I don’t know how to thank you for these video❤❤❤❤

  • @maryameslam3782
    @maryameslam3782 Před rokem

    many thanks from an Artificial intelligence major student from Egypt, God bless you

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před rokem +1

      Glad I could help! I didn't know than AI majors needed Discrete :)

    • @maryameslam3782
      @maryameslam3782 Před rokem

      @@SawFinMath it’s super important for us to understand machine learning algorithms so yea any computer scientist need discrete mathematics

  • @DONdayce
    @DONdayce Před 4 měsíci

    If there exists an airline with all flights, how can there be a negating predicate that states that an airline doesn't have a flight when the quantifier states otherwise???

  • @ubk42
    @ubk42 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice video. Just letting you know there is an unmatched parenthesis at 8:30

  • @shallowfalcon
    @shallowfalcon Před 2 lety +1

    So when you define the domain of the function does that apply to the y as well? Because you said y was another student

  • @user-pp7jg8fh1j
    @user-pp7jg8fh1j Před 2 lety +1

    The question at 18:00 is so confusing.. lists of quantifiers

  • @Yazan_Majdalawi
    @Yazan_Majdalawi Před 2 lety +1

    At 7:45 I have put it like this:
    Ax Ey (...) _with the letters flipped of course _
    is my solution still valid?

  • @davehlave8530
    @davehlave8530 Před 3 lety +1

    6:42, for the first question, can I say For All x There Exists y E(x,y) ?

  • @edf5927
    @edf5927 Před 2 lety +1

    I think there's a mistake at around 12:00. The translation is that y is "another student" but there's nothing in the symbolization that says x does not equal y. So the symbolization leaves open the possibility that x and y are the same, so it should be translated without saying "another".

    • @Andres-nn5it
      @Andres-nn5it Před 2 lety +1

      This is not the case because of the or statement. If the proposition T(x) is not true then that student does not use tiktok and therefor cannot be the other student which is a friend to themselves that uses tiktok, and as a result this friend must be another student.

    • @edf5927
      @edf5927 Před 2 lety

      What if x is true and x and y referred to the same student? There's nothing in the symbolization to prevent that. @@Andres-nn5it

    • @Andres-nn5it
      @Andres-nn5it Před 2 lety

      @@edf5927 if T(x) is true then that person uses tiktok when moving to the second term separated by the or statement of y equals x this implies that they are friends with themselves and they use tiktok which could be argued to be true(they know someone who uses tiktok). Even if it is argued to be false this doesn’t change the truth value it meaning that applies to the whole since it is an or statement and T(x) as stated is already true. If T(x) is true then the entire proposition is true. If we were to then assume x=y and say for the second sub-proposition that this is false (that you can’t be friends with yourself even though it holds true that person x=y does use tik tok) this has no effect on the overall truth value of the overall proposition (since it is a disjunction). So it can be seen that to say that the proposition provided by the professor is equivalent to the same proposition with the notation that adds the limitation x=\ y is in fact a tautology. The proposition you’re advocating for and the proposition provided by the professor have the exact same truth value. If need be you can construct a truth table. Basically the notation isn’t needed we don’t have to prevent x=y.

    • @edf5927
      @edf5927 Před 2 lety

      OK, got it.

    • @edf5927
      @edf5927 Před 2 lety

      Please see my comment on video 1.8.2. Any thoughts?

  • @tobito4397
    @tobito4397 Před 2 lety

    is the negation of U the upside down U, "intersection"? Sorry I am new to this concept

  • @red-sv2qf
    @red-sv2qf Před 6 měsíci

    At 15:46, what's the purpose of Az then?

  • @imboss5544
    @imboss5544 Před rokem

    9:01 question b, i think the "if..then" statement should be replaced by the "and" statement in the predicate logic

  • @vade248721
    @vade248721 Před 2 lety

    Example b. In the beginning of the video, are the students sending or receiving the text and email?
    Your answer says "sent a text" but the problem states "received a text" and "received an email".

    • @imboss5544
      @imboss5544 Před rokem

      y receive an email from x equal to x send an email to y

  • @sagivalia5041
    @sagivalia5041 Před rokem

    So when I try to translate a sentence to a quantifier, the variables are gonna be what are considered "entities" in the sentence? man, flight, airline?

  • @FreddSviat
    @FreddSviat Před 9 měsíci

    If only we had such a professor just like you in Poland, students would benefit more being taught by you rather than our Polish professors in Poznan. Thanks for all the explanations!

  • @shashankvashishtha4454

    thanks for saving me from bad result.

  • @laladuggi
    @laladuggi Před 2 lety

    For question A. at 6:40 can I put Vx E! y E(x,y) and take Joe's name out of the equation ?

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před 2 lety +1

      Because the question specifically references Joe, you must use Joe in the prepositional phrase

    • @laladuggi
      @laladuggi Před 2 lety

      @@SawFinMath Oh okay that makes sense. So there’s no need to use the uniqueness quantifier or any other because we are assigning the variable y the value Joe?

  • @rutchlyngo1324
    @rutchlyngo1324 Před 3 lety

    Thank you so much😍😍💕

  • @vade248721
    @vade248721 Před 2 lety +1

    P(x) = taken every flight in the world
    Domain = all people in the world
    3xP(x)

    • @normalcrazer1930
      @normalcrazer1930 Před rokem

      thats what im saying, she just lost me when she wrote bunch of things that dont make sense

    • @chhangsrengp5360
      @chhangsrengp5360 Před rokem

      That's wrong. The statement is "taken a flight," meaning it is only 1 flight. Not all the flights of all airlines. but at least 1 flight of all airline.

    • @chhangsrengp5360
      @chhangsrengp5360 Před rokem

      @@normalcrazer1930 read my cmt.

  • @KatherineFix
    @KatherineFix Před 2 lety +4

    Ma brainnnnn🤕😖

  • @-Mohamed_bayan
    @-Mohamed_bayan Před 3 lety

    Thank you :)

  • @TheBanana821
    @TheBanana821 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wait, i thought at 14:28 y is a class not another student

    • @mutumbakalumba
      @mutumbakalumba Před 6 měsíci

      that's what i was also thinking

    • @tonynguyen4603
      @tonynguyen4603 Před 3 měsíci

      It doesn't matter what you name the variables, it just matters where you place it in the function. y was placed in the first position of the function, so it's treated as a student. This is also why z is treated as a class even though it wasn't in the function.

    • @tonynguyen4603
      @tonynguyen4603 Před 3 měsíci

      @@mutumbakalumba Don't treat the variables in the function as the same variables in the propositions. S(x,y) really means S(student, class).

  • @mrrobot-ek8zk
    @mrrobot-ek8zk Před 2 lety

    thank u so much

  • @NicolasFioriniA
    @NicolasFioriniA Před 2 lety

    Another note about the students one where ∃x∃y∀x ((x!=y) ^ (S(x,z) ⇔ S(y,z))) I think this could also mean they haven't taken the same class too. Since S(x,z) ⇔ S(y,z) is true when both are false. So x didn't take z and y didn't take z.

  • @ekemm
    @ekemm Před rokem

    13:00

  • @aru4115
    @aru4115 Před 2 lety

    12:36

  • @bigpapaxx3885
    @bigpapaxx3885 Před 6 měsíci

    the last Demorgan law you did is incorrect, it is (∀x∀y∃z(¬p(x,y)∧Q(y,z))

    • @tonynguyen4603
      @tonynguyen4603 Před 3 měsíci

      Can you explain how? The video seems right to me.

  • @beksaylor
    @beksaylor Před 2 lety

    Am I the only one who sends themself an email?

  • @asura9161
    @asura9161 Před 7 dny

    Our professor doesnt teach and just links your videos lol

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před 7 dny

      @@asura9161 Hah no fair! I should get some of his salary!

  • @RS-xu1dm
    @RS-xu1dm Před 3 lety +1

    This is all nonsense to me :(

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před 3 lety +1

      Start at video 1.

    • @RS-xu1dm
      @RS-xu1dm Před 3 lety +6

      @@SawFinMath Yes, I have been watching them all... I thank you for all the videos, You are a savior. Its just that I got lost watching this one.

  • @faceless4759
    @faceless4759 Před 4 lety +1

    I think this video must be the 13th

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před 4 lety +2

      Nope. The 13th is an intro to nested quantifiers

  • @angadsingh6478
    @angadsingh6478 Před rokem +1

    at 18:00 can I bring the ∃f in front of ⩑a?