How many motion systems available on the market? A definitive guide with a SRG price-per-performance awards would be good to make us know which is what.
I really like the reviews, they’re second to none. But in fairness I only watch the videos to get updates on Barry’s haircut. It has evolved from a semi neglected cut, to a versatile hair asset. I really liked the poney tail in this video. I really wish Barry could include more shots of his hair in the views. Barry if you’re listening, please give us, fans of your haircut, more of what we’re here for. Thank you.
@@djvycious Oh believe me, he has a fan kit. And when he uses it, it is like an angel touches down to Earth. His voluptuous hair flies and undulates as he heels and toe, wearing the legendary checkered flags Vans. When that happens, I imagine doves flying in circles in the SRG, pyrotechnics firing in sequence, and I am watching this, and 'm in the front row, and 'm hammered drunk...
Big fan of the reviews, covers more than anyone else really, by a mile. And as a bonus, your voice takes me back, remember when you would be watching slides, and the narrator would speak, followed by a "ding" change the slide. Its like I'm learning again, with way better slides.....Ding!
Excellent review as always Barry. Very well done. This motion setup looks to be the best "bang for buck" setup I've seen so far. I'm looking forward to simrig shipping to North America.
This will definitely goes to my add list for simracing stuff. How i tell that to Mrs is another thing 😁 Super job Barry, and yes keep them long . Loking good 👍
Im always a lurker in the comments but dammit I always make sure to leave my likes and occasionally comment. Love your vids Barry. We all appreciate what you do.
I have this system since a half year and I have to say I love it. It's quiet, strong, fast and the software is very easy to use. Thanks for your review I preciate it.
@@TinoushGTR until now no problems. The software is still updating, the servo drives working well. I have now approximately 200 hours running time on the system. The contact to the supplier over mail is awesome and I don't think that you get trouble with spare parts.
@@TheNasenboer Thanks for the update. Ill have to weight my aluminium rig. Because my seat is about 10-20 kilo and im 110kg. lives 40-50 kilo's left maxing 170kg.
@@TinoushGTR maybe you also buy an new seat like a sparco racing seat. They not heavy. Also you can go in touch with the guys from SIMRIG and ask about the maximum weight.. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
@@TheNasenboer sure I will. I haven't finished building my 8040 rig yet. My seat isn't used yet 😂 I'll upgrade to motion after couple of years. Not a seat mover like motion platform v3 but a dof system.
i bought this and i'm very happy with it .Feels very good and the motion is more then enough. I did mount it on a GT-1 evo from simlab .. and it all works . Great way to make simracing a little more fun together with a VR setup .. 🏎😃
As an apprentice I worked on maintenance of the ultimate simulators, a Boeing 737 aircraft simulator. I always remember watching the pitch and roll of these from the outside. This was not to emulate pitch and roll, but to emulate G Forces if that direction. When you landed with full auto brake they pitched waayyy forward. When inside the graphics were staying pretty level, fooling you into thinking that this was G-Force pulling you out of your seat. Surely this is why you are seeing so much roll and pitch, but without the screens tracking the movement you lose the intended G-Force simulation??. Would VR solve this. Not a sim gamer, just intrigued by the available tech nowdays
I thought the pitch/roll was to try to simulate the G-forces to the best of a motion platforms ability and less to simulate the actual pitch and roll of the cars suspension. But I guess the body and its senses aren´t fooled that easily ;) Great review keep up the good work and thank you for your part in making sim racing as enjoyable as it is
Actually we use pitch and roll to simulate road conditions such as uphill-downhill and turns. For suspension movements we use surge (acceleration-brakes) and sway for turning.
damn. this is fantastic. im a skinny dude too so this is about perfect for me. ive been seeing so many motion rigs with just massive amounts of motion, and by proxy, space requirements. i think i found what im buying as my big gaming purchase next year. i run mostly gt and open wheel cars so i dont really see any disadvantage to getting this over something that cost 3x as much, for features and weight requirements im never going to need.
Id be really interested to see the RS Mega+ kit reviewed now that they make a plug and play set up. I'm really torn between the Simrig SR2 and and the RS Mega +, or even the Sigma Integrale DK2
No wonder you dont like pitch too high if you have static monitors. I bet this will be different experience in VR where you want more pitch that will simulate braking force and not only suspension . I give up on triple screen 3 years ago and im running VR only right now, but this motion system will be my Christmas this year i think :). Thank you for your pro review as usually, because without you i would not know about this system and many others toys. Thank you
Awesome video. Very educational. I’ve played lots of video games over the years but I’m honestly bored to death of them. This sim stuff looks really really cool but I definitely not looking to spend 30k+ on a rig. Glad I came across this channel... Really like this one but would like the feeling of traction loss... I guess you get that from the yaw movement? Are you able to feel the tires breaking loose at all in this model? Awesome videos keep it up!
Hey Barry, Could you get your hands on an SFX-100 motion platform? Would love to hear your opinion on it. Its so much cheaper than pre-built systems while offering a huge amount of travel. Maybe you got some spare time to build one yourself (requires lots of time and 3D printing) or you can borrow the actuators from someone willing to get them reviewed. Thanks, keep it up!
Thanks for the excellent info every time Barry. A bit of topic but talking about jumps in rally games and ffb. Where is the nice feeling of ffb steering when the car becomes loose while jumping or in some degree on 'flowing road surface'. I only had that great feeling with Richard Burns Rally and it looks like I can't see those steering movements in your video.
Here’s my thoughts. I think if you tested things in VR you’d say a different narrative. I think the extreme degrees of motion would do well to translate not only the feel of the road/tires and dynamics but a slight sense of the g forces. In fact I think even more extreme sims like “feel three” would be desirable. I think with triple screen because it’s static in front of you ( or even if the monitors were attached to the motion rig) it doesn’t fool your mind into forgetting what’s going on and just feeling the motion. I would venture to guess that bcus you always know that the motion is happening relative to the screens it can get distracting. Maybe if you were in VR your mind would let go of that (as long as the motion trackers were moving with the rig so you don’t have too much bumping around visually within the game) and you would feel the motion rather than see it. And it would be more immersive and lifelike. you could possibly feel at least some sense of g force. Have you considered getting into VR when testing all these motion rigs?
I have this and I drive with VR (Rift S). I agree with that motion and VR goes hand in hand. This system is really really great and I actually dont know what more to add to sell the idea that you are sittning in a real race car. The immersion is so good.
I think with VR on the pitching would feel more like acceleration forces vs replicating the feel of suspension. I fly full motion flight simulators. They pitch way more than the aircraft does in normal flight but the perceived feeling inside the enclosed sim doesn’t get much more real.
Does anyone know the amount of hour the sr1´s are expected to run before any sort of maintenance is required? Whats the lifetime of the acuators ? and what is the wear and tear on the acuators overtime?
I know it’s been two years and I’m sure you won’t see this reply but I am thinking of doing the same and would love to know if you ended up choosing to go with motion before upgrading to a dd wheel base and if so whether you ended up being happy with your decision or not!
@@alecmillea4539 what a nice coincidence to return here now and see this in the reply time although I quit sim racing years ago and I don't use this CZcams channel. My opinion is: Having the feedback only from the wheel is like living in a 1 dimensional world. People fail to see this because they don't know what 3 dimensions are and they are ready to fight against them. But: I am sorry I can't give more advice because I don't know a lot and haven't tried a lot by myself, (although I traveled to sim racing expo in Germany once and although some of my friends own fancy motion rigs and one of them was so crazy to dedicate 50k$ for a full-motion rig once but he never ended up purchasing it. All I can say, is that motion rigs are a big world and many kinds. And you aren't likely to find your dream rig that is perfect in all aspects, like: realistic, compact, silent, runs forever, cheap...etc and this is massively due to the idea not being adapted by consumers and the sales being so niche and thus the makers not investing to push the technology forward. All I know is that my friends who own simple kinds of feedback rigs like tactile vibrations or DIY & D-box suspension rigs are super satisfied with them and that they don't mind missing the g-force aspect. One of my 6 DOF friends shocked me once when he said that "good software is more important than the actuators acceleration, strength and range", probably a useful tip from someone who had many rigs before. My personal experience testing motion systems? it takes me at least 5 minutes or more to trick my brain into believing that this is reality but after that I get so immersed. On the other hand, after trying many DD wheels, I can tell you their smoothnessss and immediacy are so lovely, and their reliability is great. Sorry for not having sufficient info. Happy cars & racing!
@@azaralamouri5140 man thank you so much for taking the time to reply so throughly! I sincerely appreciate the info. It’s useful to know that the software is likely more important than the hardware for motion rigs from someone experienced in the field! I’ll probably end up going with a dd wheel and 4 tactile transducers before going with motion. From the research I’ve done it sounds like that will make the most impact on immersion for the cost. Thanks again for taking the time to answer a comment I never believed would be seen by anyone hahahaha!
Hello and many thanks for this great video. I would like to ask you a short question. Do you have any plans to review the Simrig SR2 motion system aus well?
Would you maybe consider doing a video about diy motion sims using wiper motors. It is the cheapest option, but there aren't any good, informative videos on them. It would put your skills to the test.
I got this system for a little while now(early bird sinds 01-2019). Its very silent and gives great motion, i think its even better than a expensive 10000-20000 euro d-box system that even comes without a rig! Also durability is topnotch, after a year it still delivers!…..Guys this is a no brainer! coupled with a dd1 and valve index its a wet dream!
im new to sim and could use advice. which sim racing games allow you to use them in VR, and secondly, of those that could be used in VR, which of those could be played with a racing game that allows the option for an arcade style gameplay. i ask because i wanna set something like this up somewhere and charge people to play it in VR but need it to be arcade style so theyre on and off in less than 5 minutes. Any and all advice is welcomed
Barry, just saw a review you did on the NRG Prisma seat, you said you liked it very much however it wasnt as snug as you wanted it to be, just here to tell ya they have a medium sized one on their website if you are still interested
It could be some seat movers are more reactive... So if you don't have very good actuators to buy with a full motion cockpit it is better to buy a seat mover
Im in North america and I dont know if someone have it here ... there's no groupe or forum page...its strange because its awesome !!! So I want to know what setting do you use guys ! Gt3 and f1 ans rally pls
Barry, please include the latest Dirt Rally in any motion rig or relevant hardware review and at least mention compatibility in every review. Some wheels have has issues with that game and it is valuable to know what to expect and motion rigs are very relevant to stage rally. Maybe a flight sim on motion rigs also...
The most obvious difference would be heave instead of traction loss (yaw). Then there is the difference that comes with using actuators, and there's different software, and so on… Quite a number of differences, I'd bet.
@@thisempty As often is the case in these situations: It depends. If you want a system as quiet as possible, the actuators of the Simrig SR1 are the quietest. But if you have other noisy equipment (buttkickers, heavy FFB on wheel…) then that point is moot. Yaw makes it easier to detect traction loss, but if you're using VR then it may require a well-tuned motion compensation software so you don't get dizzy. I haven't tried a system with heave, so I don't know how useful it is. Many 2DOF+ systems use pitch in specific ways to compensate for heave, and maybe that's good enough, I don't know. Software: The Simrig software looks to me like it is proprietary, while DOF Reality uses SimTools which has many popular user-generated profiles. Just a guess: The Simrig software might be more plug-and-play with popular games, but if you want to try motion on more obscure games then DOF Reality is likely to be better. There is no definite answer to which is better, it depends on your requirements.
Hi Barry, what is the difference between Simrig SR1 and DOFReality H3? Both are 3DOF, but uses a bit different kind of motion transfer. Which one is "better" in terms of feeling? Are 2 actuators of DOFReality enough to transfer pitch and roll moves in comparison to 4 actuators of Simrig? And in other hand, do these Simrig actuators right job for traction loss and yaw comparing to one actuator dedicated for these moves of DOFReality? Both systems are in similar prices here in Europe, so I'd like to decide which one could bring better and more real filing during driving in case I would buy one. thanks!
Could you please test this for Euro Truck Simulator 2? I really curious to see what it will do with a title like that. It should react similar to a real truck which is what I would love to have. But that price tag is rather high to test it out and perhaps fail
Hello, very nice video as usual. Thank you for all the info. In the last month I’ve watched more then 30 videos from your channel. I just loved them and they’re a great walking company! Just to make sure and I’m certain that you can help me with this: i know that it’s possible to install this on the simlab P1x (it’s a profile rig), but do you think that this system could handle well with all the weight? I have a fanatec ecosystem with pedals, shifter, handbrake, DD1, the seat its the simlab speed3 and of course myself with about 70kgs. And in your opinion, would you prefer this system or one like the next level racing v3? Thank you in advance. Regards.
I don't have any information as far as performance drop off under inceasing weight loads. Something you would need to ask Simrig. Personally, I prefer the whole chassis moving vs just the seat.
Sim Racing Garage thank you very much for your input on this. The only advantage I can see on the v3 is really the small footprint and ease to install. Now I’m kinda of stuck with it, didn’t knew that SR1 system before seeing it on your channel. Please keep going on doing this amazing videos. Best of luck. Regards.
Thanks for this awesome review. Have been looking at this motion solution for quite a while and had some mails forth and back with the guys. But: the weight limit is way too low for people with "normal" rigs and especially for tall or heavy people. I'm 1,94 m and roguhly 95 kg with clothes + the rig I'm scratching the weight limit. Do you see any problem with that? Was looking to other solutions like PT actuators instead, because they offer more power and less limitations, but at a higher price. Do you have any comparison on the noise levels between SR1 and most recent PT actuators?
An actuators performance will fall off as the load it is moving increased in weight. Some are better than others. I do not have any info on the performance parameters of the SR1 actuators under load. Need to contact the guys a Simrig for that. Yes weight limits are aways something to consider depending on your own use requirements. Considering the price point of this kit, I would not expect it to have the capacities of more expensive actuator systems.
@@simracinggarage3026 It's actually rated a max load of 175 kg (including driver and rig) based on what they say on their website. Do you have any opinion or comparison in terms of noise levels?
Its amazing value really 2900 euro inkl 25% tax. No need to pay extortionate amounts for 4 actuators anymore. Ill be building a SFX-100 myself but i think this will do very very well on the market for those will less time and techincal know how. i wish them luck!
Hi, new fan here love your videos. Not related to this video, but I'm considering purchasing the GT Omega Pro Cockpit, I was wondering if there is anything better you would recommend for around the same cost? Thanks in advance for any advice. :)
The Simetik K2 is very good. I have an OSW direct drive wheel and the rig is solid. No flex whatsoever. It's MUCH better than the omega cockpit. I had a GT Omega before (not the pro)and it was flimsy and couldn't support my OSW.
I have a serious question fo you. I’m 6 foot 2 inches tall and 300lbs. Is there a system out there like this one that can support me for less than $5000 or at any price? I hate to buy one and then it perform poorly because of my weight. What would you suggest. Thanks a million. I just subscribed.
The price is awesome, but all that plastic is a bit concerning. You would think they would go with steel for the brackets and actuator housing at least. Also, it's a gear driven actuator. All in all, i guess it's a good value for the money.
Like it Barry, I am about 200lbs, with OSW setup, P1 Rig, HE Ultimate pedals, how did you get on with your larger friend in this rig !? did everything still work absolutely fine, or was the setup under too much stress !? Very interested to know I am very keen on this motion setup. Many Thanks, Des.
The system did not seem to have any difficulty with the added weight. I don't have any information as far as performance drop off under inceasing weight loads. Something you would need to ask Simrig.
Oh Barry, you and your stupid sexy voice. I was actually wondering today when this review was going to come out since you just released the cockpit review. What better way to spend Friday evening with my Salmon/Tuna Poke bowl and some motion sim reviews with Barry!
He reminds me of this guy: www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.myagecalculator.com%2Fimages%2Fmichael-douglas.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.myagecalculator.com%2Fhow-old-is-michael-douglas&tbnid=dgaFBrQhYFsmeM&vet=12ahUKEwiy0d7ziM3oAhVCJX0KHe58DZ8QMyg_egUIARC8AQ..i&docid=z0b4awBij-25oM&w=480&h=640&q=michael%20douglas&ved=2ahUKEwiy0d7ziM3oAhVCJX0KHe58DZ8QMyg_egUIARC8AQ
That is the way the instructions tell you to set them up. This to maximize the pitch effect. The further you move the front actuators forward on the chassis the less effect the same amount of pitch will have on chassis movement.
All I care about is setting the pitch and roll being 1:1. I hate "effects" Does the software have the ability to just have the rig match the car? If the car is picked forwarded 3 degrees, I want the rig pitched 3 degrees
Barry is on a mission to review every motion system available on the market for the greater good of the whole community.
Does he do giveaways? 😂
How many motion systems available on the market? A definitive guide with a SRG price-per-performance awards would be good to make us know which is what.
@@azaralamouri5140 There's enough motion platforms that one would need to have a hefty income in order to afford all the goodies! :-)
I really like the reviews, they’re second to none. But in fairness I only watch the videos to get updates on Barry’s haircut. It has evolved from a semi neglected cut, to a versatile hair asset. I really liked the poney tail in this video. I really wish Barry could include more shots of his hair in the views. Barry if you’re listening, please give us, fans of your haircut, more of what we’re here for. Thank you.
this.
He needs airspeed fans mounted to his rig, with slow motion shots of his flow blowing around.
@@djvycious Oh believe me, he has a fan kit. And when he uses it, it is like an angel touches down to Earth. His voluptuous hair flies and undulates as he heels and toe, wearing the legendary checkered flags Vans. When that happens, I imagine doves flying in circles in the SRG, pyrotechnics firing in sequence, and I am watching this, and 'm in the front row, and 'm hammered drunk...
Congrats on the 50k subs bro 💪 you deserve 500k subs. SRG the Best review channel there is 🏆
Great to see high end sim stuff like this becoming more affordable.. Thank you Barry!
back to the god father of sim reviews legend most of my purchases you have given me peace of mind thanks for the in depth work
Good ol barry always have something new and shiny to show to us, simracing nerds. Keep it up man :)
Big fan of the reviews, covers more than anyone else really, by a mile. And as a bonus, your voice takes me back, remember when you would be watching slides, and the narrator would speak, followed by a "ding" change the slide. Its like I'm learning again, with way better slides.....Ding!
His chuckle warms my heart man.
Great great review as always, i was waiting for this and definetely appreciate your professional job! Thanks
Just got the SR2, I love it !
Excellent review as always Barry. Very well done. This motion setup looks to be the best "bang for buck" setup I've seen so far. I'm looking forward to simrig shipping to North America.
I'm just buy sr1 ...its coming in 3 days!!!
Great channel reviews really structured super easy voice and relaxed no bs subbed.
Super review Barry. Looks like a decent system. Whet my appetite. Thank you.
Now that was a thorough review!
This will definitely goes to my add list for simracing stuff. How i tell that to Mrs is another thing 😁 Super job Barry, and yes keep them long . Loking good 👍
Excellent video Barry, thx !
I love the idea of these. It's simple and effective.
Im always a lurker in the comments but dammit I always make sure to leave my likes and occasionally comment. Love your vids Barry. We all appreciate what you do.
Great review Barry!
By far the best CZcams channel
I have this system since a half year and I have to say I love it. It's quiet, strong, fast and the software is very easy to use. Thanks for your review I preciate it.
How is the reliability till now? any problems? do they send parts if it's out of waranty?
@@TinoushGTR until now no problems. The software is still updating, the servo drives working well. I have now approximately 200 hours running time on the system. The contact to the supplier over mail is awesome and I don't think that you get trouble with spare parts.
@@TheNasenboer Thanks for the update. Ill have to weight my aluminium rig. Because my seat is about 10-20 kilo and im 110kg. lives 40-50 kilo's left maxing 170kg.
@@TinoushGTR maybe you also buy an new seat like a sparco racing seat. They not heavy. Also you can go in touch with the guys from SIMRIG and ask about the maximum weight.. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
@@TheNasenboer sure I will. I haven't finished building my 8040 rig yet. My seat isn't used yet 😂 I'll upgrade to motion after couple of years. Not a seat mover like motion platform v3 but a dof system.
Congratulations on 50k subs Barry
Thank you.
Lots of motion rigs lately, excellent reviews.
Would be great to see a "Barry Build" and Review for SFX
i bought this and i'm very happy with it .Feels very good and the motion is more then enough. I did mount it on a GT-1 evo from simlab .. and it all works . Great way to make simracing a little more fun together with a VR setup .. 🏎😃
how much equipment do you have mounted on the GT1 Evo ? I have the same rig, and might gonna buy this motion rig
@@tokkelcs Ordering SR2 today . How is your system holding up after a year ?
@@minis7782 hi .. nice .. and yes still going strong , no problems what so ever .. and i am still happy with it.
As an apprentice I worked on maintenance of the ultimate simulators, a Boeing 737 aircraft simulator. I always remember watching the pitch and roll of these from the outside. This was not to emulate pitch and roll, but to emulate G Forces if that direction. When you landed with full auto brake they pitched waayyy forward. When inside the graphics were staying pretty level, fooling you into thinking that this was G-Force pulling you out of your seat. Surely this is why you are seeing so much roll and pitch, but without the screens tracking the movement you lose the intended G-Force simulation??. Would VR solve this. Not a sim gamer, just intrigued by the available tech nowdays
Yes VR does solve this, you are actually 'there' in VR. Motion Rig and VR is the dream setup.
Yes it does as you are in another environment so the brain is tricked big time.
I thought the pitch/roll was to try to simulate the G-forces to the best of a motion platforms ability and less to simulate the actual pitch and roll of the cars suspension. But I guess the body and its senses aren´t fooled that easily ;)
Great review keep up the good work and thank you for your part in making sim racing as enjoyable as it is
My thoughts exactly on simulating G-forces vs actual suspension kinematics
Actually we use pitch and roll to simulate road conditions such as uphill-downhill and turns. For suspension movements we use surge (acceleration-brakes) and sway for turning.
I think so too, and only seems exagerated because the screens are static. If screens moved with rig perhaps a better immersion of G would be achieved.
Or VR
Brilliant again Thanks
damn. this is fantastic. im a skinny dude too so this is about perfect for me. ive been seeing so many motion rigs with just massive amounts of motion, and by proxy, space requirements. i think i found what im buying as my big gaming purchase next year. i run mostly gt and open wheel cars so i dont really see any disadvantage to getting this over something that cost 3x as much, for features and weight requirements im never going to need.
always neat and precise ... (almost) WAF-proof price!!
Id be really interested to see the RS Mega+ kit reviewed now that they make a plug and play set up. I'm really torn between the Simrig SR2 and and the RS Mega +, or even the Sigma Integrale DK2
Great rig.
I hope to be able to buy a cockpit-like this soon.
Because my T300RS GT with shifter will destroy my desk soon :D
No wonder you dont like pitch too high if you have static monitors. I bet this will be different experience in VR where you want more pitch that will simulate braking force and not only suspension . I give up on triple screen 3 years ago and im running VR only right now, but this motion system will be my Christmas this year i think :).
Thank you for your pro review as usually, because without you i would not know about this system and many others toys.
Thank you
Awesome video. Very educational. I’ve played lots of video games over the years but I’m honestly bored to death of them. This sim stuff looks really really cool but I definitely not looking to spend 30k+ on a rig. Glad I came across this channel... Really like this one but would like the feeling of traction loss... I guess you get that from the yaw movement? Are you able to feel the tires breaking loose at all in this model?
Awesome videos keep it up!
This sounds so promising.... just build my own rig. If it‘s supporting my weight and is usable in an Appartement... wow. I‘ll need to get it.
Hey Barry,
Could you get your hands on an SFX-100 motion platform? Would love to hear your opinion on it. Its so much cheaper than pre-built systems while offering a huge amount of travel.
Maybe you got some spare time to build one yourself (requires lots of time and 3D printing) or you can borrow the actuators from someone willing to get them reviewed.
Thanks, keep it up!
Exactly! Would be great to see some chaper DIY alternatives for people who have smaller budgets
I'm am also very much interested in such a review of the SFX-100 kit.
Thanks for the excellent info every time Barry. A bit of topic but talking about jumps in rally games and ffb. Where is the nice feeling of ffb steering when the car becomes loose while jumping or in some degree on 'flowing road surface'. I only had that great feeling with Richard Burns Rally and it looks like I can't see those steering movements in your video.
I would just need the actuators to fit them to my own rig, so, that would be even cheaper... Very nice!
Here’s my thoughts. I think if you tested things in VR you’d say a different narrative. I think the extreme degrees of motion would do well to translate not only the feel of the road/tires and dynamics but a slight sense of the g forces. In fact I think even more extreme sims like “feel three” would be desirable. I think with triple screen because it’s static in front of you ( or even if the monitors were attached to the motion rig) it doesn’t fool your mind into forgetting what’s going on and just feeling the motion. I would venture to guess that bcus you always know that the motion is happening relative to the screens it can get distracting. Maybe if you were in VR your mind would let go of that (as long as the motion trackers were moving with the rig so you don’t have too much bumping around visually within the game) and you would feel the motion rather than see it. And it would be more immersive and lifelike. you could possibly feel at least some sense of g force. Have you considered getting into VR when testing all these motion rigs?
I agree. It would be nice if he did a “when paired with VR” segment in all the motion reviews.
This is a great idea. I hope he sees this.
I have this and I drive with VR (Rift S). I agree with that motion and VR goes hand in hand. This system is really really great and I actually dont know what more to add to sell the idea that you are sittning in a real race car. The immersion is so good.
Omg yes, a VR segment
Probably because of the glass he wear
I think with VR on the pitching would feel more like acceleration forces vs replicating the feel of suspension. I fly full motion flight simulators. They pitch way more than the aircraft does in normal flight but the perceived feeling inside the enclosed sim doesn’t get much more real.
Barry do a SFX100 build from the ground up - it will be the holy grail of episodes.
Do a 6dof with Double Traction loss
How do you think it stacks against the DOF Reality 3DOF, considering that has traction loss?
Does anyone know the amount of hour the sr1´s are expected to run before any sort of maintenance is required? Whats the lifetime of the acuators ? and what is the wear and tear on the acuators overtime?
Great review. The price point is very enticing, but is the lack of yaw for traction loss a big issue with a 3dof system like this?
is there good road feel? it doesn't look very active on the straights/uneven surfaces compared to other motion systems
Barry's voice here also available for testing your sub woofer. 2 for 1.
I am determined on purchasing a motion rig even before a DD wheel. This is how important motion is to sim racing in my opinion.
I know it’s been two years and I’m sure you won’t see this reply but I am thinking of doing the same and would love to know if you ended up choosing to go with motion before upgrading to a dd wheel base and if so whether you ended up being happy with your decision or not!
@@alecmillea4539 what a nice coincidence to return here now and see this in the reply time although I quit sim racing years ago and I don't use this CZcams channel.
My opinion is: Having the feedback only from the wheel is like living in a 1 dimensional world. People fail to see this because they don't know what 3 dimensions are and they are ready to fight against them.
But: I am sorry I can't give more advice because I don't know a lot and haven't tried a lot by myself, (although I traveled to sim racing expo in Germany once and although some of my friends own fancy motion rigs and one of them was so crazy to dedicate 50k$ for a full-motion rig once but he never ended up purchasing it. All I can say, is that motion rigs are a big world and many kinds. And you aren't likely to find your dream rig that is perfect in all aspects, like: realistic, compact, silent, runs forever, cheap...etc and this is massively due to the idea not being adapted by consumers and the sales being so niche and thus the makers not investing to push the technology forward. All I know is that my friends who own simple kinds of feedback rigs like tactile vibrations or DIY & D-box suspension rigs are super satisfied with them and that they don't mind missing the g-force aspect. One of my 6 DOF friends shocked me once when he said that "good software is more important than the actuators acceleration, strength and range", probably a useful tip from someone who had many rigs before.
My personal experience testing motion systems? it takes me at least 5 minutes or more to trick my brain into believing that this is reality but after that I get so immersed.
On the other hand, after trying many DD wheels, I can tell you their smoothnessss and immediacy are so lovely, and their reliability is great.
Sorry for not having sufficient info.
Happy cars & racing!
@@azaralamouri5140 man thank you so much for taking the time to reply so throughly! I sincerely appreciate the info. It’s useful to know that the software is likely more important than the hardware for motion rigs from someone experienced in the field! I’ll probably end up going with a dd wheel and 4 tactile transducers before going with motion. From the research I’ve done it sounds like that will make the most impact on immersion for the cost. Thanks again for taking the time to answer a comment I never believed would be seen by anyone hahahaha!
I hope they release a higher weight capacity version to hook onto my simlab p1!
So this definitely won't work on p1x I'm guessing
They actually just did. They called it the SR2!
Let's hope Barry will do a review of it too!
@JonBerg that have a v2 now 225kg
doesnt it move more to also try to simulate g forces and not just suspension travel? just a quick thought
Your voice is amazing!!!
do you have to calibrate for each individual car ? i run 5 differant cars in dirt and 3 on paved oval?
Have you looked at the SR2? Im curious if the weight capacity is the only difference.. wondering if it has better reactions or something like that
Hello and many thanks for this great video. I would like to ask you a short question. Do you have any plans to review the Simrig SR2 motion system aus well?
Would you maybe consider doing a video about diy motion sims using wiper motors. It is the cheapest option, but there aren't any good, informative videos on them. It would put your skills to the test.
so it doesnt include the T molding cockpit? so what cockpit was shown on the site?
I got this system for a little while now(early bird sinds 01-2019). Its very silent and gives great motion, i think its even better than a expensive 10000-20000 euro d-box system that even comes without a rig! Also durability is topnotch, after a year it still delivers!…..Guys this is a no brainer! coupled with a dd1 and valve index its a wet dream!
Would you say it's quiet enough for use in a concrete apartment?
Yes for sure, the rubber pads do lots of damping and the actuator noise level is very low
So it's been 1 yr for you? How often do you use it?
@@senhsationalv6278 Don't want to drive without it, the combination dd1, valve index and motion is a must....its like the real thing.
@Airwayz ArA did this rig does motion feedback when you shift gears like hitting you a bit Back? Cause I really cant see it :"(
I think something like his is best suited for VR
Just strap on a VR headset and live the dream :D
Is that in the video also the original seat of the RIG?
im new to sim and could use advice. which sim racing games allow you to use them in VR, and secondly, of those that could be used in VR, which of those could be played with a racing game that allows the option for an arcade style gameplay. i ask because i wanna set something like this up somewhere and charge people to play it in VR but need it to be arcade style so theyre on and off in less than 5 minutes. Any and all advice is welcomed
Barry, just saw a review you did on the NRG Prisma seat, you said you liked it very much however it wasnt as snug as you wanted it to be, just here to tell ya they have a medium sized one on their website if you are still interested
This is the medium sized seat.
thanks for the review. What is more realistic when the full cokpit iss moving or only the baquet? thanks
I think when the whole cockpit is moving it is more realistic. More like when driving in a real car.
It could be some seat movers are more reactive... So if you don't have very good actuators to buy with a full motion cockpit it is better to buy a seat mover
Im in North america and I dont know if someone have it here ... there's no groupe or forum page...its strange because its awesome !!! So I want to know what setting do you use guys ! Gt3 and f1 ans rally pls
What does the unit cost the print was to small I’m new getting into it.
Hello, maybe someone can tell me how to track the tilt/movement of the car?
can we use this, while triple screen is mounted to the Rig too?
Barry, please include the latest Dirt Rally in any motion rig or relevant hardware review and at least mention compatibility in every review.
Some wheels have has issues with that game and it is valuable to know what to expect and motion rigs are very relevant to stage rally.
Maybe a flight sim on motion rigs also...
Barry, how does it compare to the DOF Reality H3 that you reviewed?
Asim Chohan +1 Good question! I own a H2, it can get chunkie sometimes.. The SR1 seems to be much smoother, but less reactive..
I wanted to ask exactly the same thing
The most obvious difference would be heave instead of traction loss (yaw). Then there is the difference that comes with using actuators, and there's different software, and so on… Quite a number of differences, I'd bet.
@@RoarMcRipHelmet yes, but that difference is for the better on the simrig or on the dof reality?
@@thisempty As often is the case in these situations: It depends. If you want a system as quiet as possible, the actuators of the Simrig SR1 are the quietest. But if you have other noisy equipment (buttkickers, heavy FFB on wheel…) then that point is moot. Yaw makes it easier to detect traction loss, but if you're using VR then it may require a well-tuned motion compensation software so you don't get dizzy. I haven't tried a system with heave, so I don't know how useful it is. Many 2DOF+ systems use pitch in specific ways to compensate for heave, and maybe that's good enough, I don't know. Software: The Simrig software looks to me like it is proprietary, while DOF Reality uses SimTools which has many popular user-generated profiles. Just a guess: The Simrig software might be more plug-and-play with popular games, but if you want to try motion on more obscure games then DOF Reality is likely to be better. There is no definite answer to which is better, it depends on your requirements.
Hi Barry, what is the difference between Simrig SR1 and DOFReality H3? Both are 3DOF, but uses a bit different kind of motion transfer. Which one is "better" in terms of feeling? Are 2 actuators of DOFReality enough to transfer pitch and roll moves in comparison to 4 actuators of Simrig? And in other hand, do these Simrig actuators right job for traction loss and yaw comparing to one actuator dedicated for these moves of DOFReality? Both systems are in similar prices here in Europe, so I'd like to decide which one could bring better and more real filing during driving in case I would buy one. thanks!
He refused to answer because it looks like he doesn't want to favor one from the other. In other words, he's working for both.
Could you please test this for Euro Truck Simulator 2? I really curious to see what it will do with a title like that. It should react similar to a real truck which is what I would love to have. But that price tag is rather high to test it out and perhaps fail
Hello, very nice video as usual. Thank you for all the info. In the last month I’ve watched more then 30 videos from your channel. I just loved them and they’re a great walking company!
Just to make sure and I’m certain that you can help me with this: i know that it’s possible to install this on the simlab P1x (it’s a profile rig), but do you think that this system could handle well with all the weight? I have a fanatec ecosystem with pedals, shifter, handbrake, DD1, the seat its the simlab speed3 and of course myself with about 70kgs.
And in your opinion, would you prefer this system or one like the next level racing v3?
Thank you in advance.
Regards.
I don't have any information as far as performance drop off under inceasing weight loads. Something you would need to ask Simrig. Personally, I prefer the whole chassis moving vs just the seat.
Sim Racing Garage thank you very much for your input on this.
The only advantage I can see on the v3 is really the small footprint and ease to install. Now I’m kinda of stuck with it, didn’t knew that SR1 system before seeing it on your channel.
Please keep going on doing this amazing videos. Best of luck.
Regards.
Never been faster..
And what all do I need to get started
Thanks for this awesome review. Have been looking at this motion solution for quite a while and had some mails forth and back with the guys. But: the weight limit is way too low for people with "normal" rigs and especially for tall or heavy people. I'm 1,94 m and roguhly 95 kg with clothes + the rig I'm scratching the weight limit. Do you see any problem with that? Was looking to other solutions like PT actuators instead, because they offer more power and less limitations, but at a higher price. Do you have any comparison on the noise levels between SR1 and most recent PT actuators?
An actuators performance will fall off as the load it is moving increased in weight. Some are better than others. I do not have any info on the performance parameters of the SR1 actuators under load. Need to contact the guys a Simrig for that. Yes weight limits are aways something to consider depending on your own use requirements. Considering the price point of this kit, I would not expect it to have the capacities of more expensive actuator systems.
@@simracinggarage3026 It's actually rated a max load of 175 kg (including driver and rig) based on what they say on their website. Do you have any opinion or comparison in terms of noise levels?
Your paddle shifters are louder than the system and your game audio :)
Which motion system is most affordable that includes all the motions yaw, pitch, ect?
dof reality h6 but they're a bit flimsy
Its amazing value really 2900 euro inkl 25% tax. No need to pay extortionate amounts for 4 actuators anymore. Ill be building a SFX-100 myself but i think this will do very very well on the market for those will less time and techincal know how. i wish them luck!
Trying to order SR2 to for the last 3 weeks in Canada with no luck . Out of stock
Dass sich die Bildschirme nicht mitbewegen - stört dass nicht total die Immersion?
Hey, what's the cockpit you tested the motion on?
Hi, new fan here love your videos. Not related to this video, but I'm considering purchasing the GT Omega Pro Cockpit, I was wondering if there is anything better you would recommend for around the same cost? Thanks in advance for any advice. :)
The Simetik K2 is very good. I have an OSW direct drive wheel and the rig is solid. No flex whatsoever. It's MUCH better than the omega cockpit. I had a GT Omega before (not the pro)and it was flimsy and couldn't support my OSW.
How does this compare to Prosimu T1000?
can this system be used with assetto corsa?
This vs dof reality H3? Which is best? And if this one is better than the H3, is the difference worth the extra cost?
Thank you, amazing channel.
Interested in the answer as well
Awesome review! Does anyone know where to buy this in the US? Simrig doesn’t offer US shipping according to their website. Thanks!
I can't find it anywhere that will ship to US. Would like to buy one.
Hmm it's really quiet but what is that snapping/tapping sound when the car is landing?
Any clicks or metalic sounds you hear are from the paddle shifters or the pedal set when I release the throttle or brake.
So Barry, is D-box still worth 2-3x the money for less travel?
im sure this is 100 times better with VR.
Does anyone know where can I get it in the US?
Are you going to review the new HPP pedals?
Isaac Beekman Yes please. I actually need to know Barry’s opinion.
Yes, as soon as I can source them.
I am really considering this purchase. Does anyone know what is a life expectancy for these?
I have a serious question fo you. I’m 6 foot 2 inches tall and 300lbs. Is there a system out there like this one that can support me for less than $5000 or at any price? I hate to buy one and then it perform poorly because of my weight. What would you suggest. Thanks a million. I just subscribed.
The price is awesome, but all that plastic is a bit concerning. You would think they would go with steel for the brackets and actuator housing at least.
Also, it's a gear driven actuator. All in all, i guess it's a good value for the money.
was until the price went to £3800 no cockpit UK
Like it Barry, I am about 200lbs, with OSW setup, P1 Rig, HE Ultimate pedals, how did you get on with your larger friend in this rig !? did everything still work absolutely fine, or was the setup under too much stress !? Very interested to know I am very keen on this motion setup. Many Thanks, Des.
The system did not seem to have any difficulty with the added weight. I don't have any information as far as performance drop off under inceasing weight loads. Something you would need to ask Simrig.
Cheers Barry.
Oh Barry, you and your stupid sexy voice. I was actually wondering today when this review was going to come out since you just released the cockpit review. What better way to spend Friday evening with my Salmon/Tuna Poke bowl and some motion sim reviews with Barry!
He reminds me of this guy:
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Should I get this or the DOF Reality H3?
great .. now i cant decide ...... D box or the sr1 :(
Barry would be a great North American distributor of this product! Come on Barry, whatcha say?!?!
I support that. For every product he delivered, he should get a portion of the fee.
Seems like the actuators are very close together!! most of the actuators Iv seen are in front of the steering pillars??
That is the way the instructions tell you to set them up. This to maximize the pitch effect. The further you move the front actuators forward on the chassis the less effect the same amount of pitch will have on chassis movement.
@@simracinggarage3026 yeah makes sense buddy... I'm just building an sfx-100 system and had thought about mounting them closer!!
@@simracinggarage3026 What is your guesstimate of the longevity of this machine? How durable it is before it is no more use?
Anyone know how to buy this in the US? simrig site says they dont ship here.
The said hopefully Q3
Hallo
Woher bekomme ich diese Clips ? Für die Kabel ?
All I care about is setting the pitch and roll being 1:1. I hate "effects"
Does the software have the ability to just have the rig match the car?
If the car is picked forwarded 3 degrees, I want the rig pitched 3 degrees
I’m still 30 lbs off weight limit with a simlab + my body + hardware so i think i’m okay