This is the first time I've been impressed by an active tory mp in a very very long time. Thoughtful, intelligent, passionate and articulate. Young too, seems odd to me this guy isnt viewed at leadership material and i never heard of him until now.
also very weak to say Farage is simply making legitimate points on immigration, he's quite extreme about it, unrealistically extreme, and inflammatory.
Farage leans far more to the right politically and is close in line with Truss's ideology if Alex is not willing to work with Truss and gets on with this show it shows he's Centre with right lean. politically
@@petera4985 If I'm being honest, it more shows Alex to be a weak politician. As any actual centrist shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of a Farage led tory party. What Alex showed was ideology of the last 5 years of this Conservative government being party first, country second. Overall, disappointed with the lack of difficult questions asked by both Alistair and Rory. Maybe this was due to Alex's seat overwhelming likely to go lib dem.
@@calJ2024 I cannot disagree with your comment (I often do on comments) but the following always comes to mind in context "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion." Edmund Burke
I used to know him years ago and he's always been a polite, fair-minded and competent kind of person who would always listen to and acknowledge the other side of a debate. A functioning democracy needs more intelligent people like him in all parties.
A thoroughly engaging interview with a seemingly decent, knowledgeable and considerate MP. Thanks to Rory for convincing Grumptown Campbell (who, by his own admission, was a bit sceptical) to have Alex on. 😉 And thanks to Alex too!
Ethos, logos, pathos,. I think David Hume is correct in that we are primarily emotional animals and that is why pathos is the greatest in argument with the masses and unfortunately passion come most deeply from anger and fear. This is the key that the populists have. Winning by logic quite often requires for someone to admit they where wrong, which as things become more passionate becomes a harder and more bitter pill to swallow. We all struggle with this and its why we become stubborn on our views.
He talks about the need to stick to the rule of law in relation to people fleeing persecution and danger and trying to get to safety, when this government has closed off most legal routes for refugees to seek asylum, and now they are themselves breaking the law (or changing it to suit themselves) with the Rwanda bill. How disingenuous.
Jury trials was not even a topic of debate in this conversation. Alex only brought them up to illustrate that they're a pillar stone of the way justice works in this country and not an part of the judicial process that he was willing to compromise on in the context of covid. There's not even a time stamp for jury trials. Leading/TRIP content team knew this wasn't a discussion but still slapped it on the thumbnail anyway. Can't help but feel that this click bait marketing style is in opposition to the type of political debate the podcast promotes
Juries fulfil an important constitutional function: they are the citizen’s protection against unjust laws. A jury can bring in a ‘perverse decision’ if it thinks, “Yeah, the law was broken; but the law’s an ass.” There is a troubling authoritarian side to politicians who argue for abolishing or circumscribing juries.
I disagree in the extreme with this guest about the immoral and imprudent Rwanda policy. It represents a violation of Human Rights and he must know this.
it is stupid to think that 52-48 decides extremely transcendental issues as leaving/remaining in the European Union.... Parliament should have said a 2/3 majority was necessary to decide the issue, one way or the other. no wonder Brexit continued to divide the country right after the vote!!! is he daft???
You should have asked Alex Chalk about Rishi Sunak's contradictory behaviour when he said: "integrity, accountability and professionalism" in his first speech as Prime Minister, then re-appointing the disgraced Suella Braverman as Home Secretary (in this first Cabinet), despite Suella quitting over data breeches? Fun fact: Alex Chalk looks like a young Den Watts from Eastenders!!...
Ironic that after 14 years, we are now treated to the spectacle of Tories pontificating on possible solutions to problems that have arisen during their administration... Bring on the GE!
I enjoy listening to Alex and I do believe that he genuinely has the prisoners interests at heart but it does make me frustrated when you hear that the prison systems did a fantastic job of keeping outbreaks happening during Covid. The reality is that in these less fancy prisons, the inmates were kept in their rooms for 23.5 hours per day. It was barbaric and those who didn’t take their own lives (a figure conveniently not mentioned) are suffering trauma related illness’ to this day. Also during this time there were cases of inmates being found dead in their cells 3 weeks after they had commit suicide. So I wouldn’t say that they did a fantastic job at all. The masses are always forgotten about in favour of the more luxury or modern prisons with modern systems in place, however they are the minority and it’s wrong headed to say that a good job was done generally based on the system of two newer prisons.
Having moved to a country without jury trials, I find way the British lionise them increasingly absurd. We have buckets of evidences about the many ways that juries are flawed, they're more expensive and difficult to organise, impose a significant cost on the people called for service, and yet is there any obvious way in which Britain has a better or fairer justice system than Germany?
Nasty Tory politics aside, Alex has an incredible skincare routine. Nearly 48-years-old! Has a career in moisturiser adverts if the politics thing doesn't work out.
I’m a frequent listener and I love the format on a whole but I’m sorry to say that Alastair and Rory did a pretty soft job at interviewing an active politician during election times. He was allowed to use the show to promote him self with frankly little to no hard questions. I’m not a Briton so I don’t have a horse in the British election race, but if I were I’d be pretty disappointed by this episode. 🤔
Like most Tory politicians, he speaks well but there is an air of lies that surrounds his every word. For everything he said, there was something he didn't say.
How about we go one step better - you get the right to a jury. Not only that, they have to come to a unanimous decision. If one finds the person not guilty, the case is kicked out. No disregarding the dissenter, no letting the judge intervene. Should stop these petty prosecutions of thought crimes and woke "offences" and keep the police state behaviour in check.
All three are very interested in prisons and have a strong history with the questions. Chalk is a lawyer and works/ed with the Minister of Justice. --- It's their podcast so they can do what they want, ask what they want and pursue their own themes. Football is one, family roots is one, prisons is one, electoral system reform is one. Try watching some of the other videos.
He is a slimy politician. I think he may not even be able to perceive it, even though he absolutely argues as a slimeball. He can't bring himself to engage with basic logic of "you thought we should stay, so why can you say that we could in the future consider rejoining", he just wriggled and wriggled and cited a lot of nonsense about mandates. The simple logic of "I thought we should absolutely remain, so clearly I think that in a decades time we should consider the possibility of rejoining", might be quotable by the tory press, so he couldn't say it, so he has to say it with a million word-salad nonsense bloviating. And, as others have said, the refusal to just say "I'd never stay in a Farage-led conservative party", is the same thing, he just doesn't want to create a quote. You've gotta love the idea that the head boy of winchester child of a posh girl, tries to claim some working class roots just because his dad did actually have a job, is hilarious. I think, if the average bloke down the pub who think the tories represent them could see a day in the life of Boris and his chums they might realise "oh, er, I think I may have been talked into thinking the absolutely absurd by years or daily mail nonsense"
"It takes a lot of people to make a world" I've heard this before from rich frieds, it's public-school-boy language for "My teachers explained that our ridiculous privilege is acceptable by saying that we, the elite, are somehow necessary" Cameron and boris, both at Eton, this guy, Sunak, both at Winchester (40k a year, 200k education, nearly as much as an average family home). Surprising that they make decisions that result in 20% of people using food banks, people waiting 2 years for a hip replacement, and billions of tax money meant to be for PPE, siphoned to their rich chums?
It's a minor tragedy that this guy is going to lose his seat to a Labour non-entity. Once Labour has failed to deliver on any of its promises, I hope he comes back into politics.
@@234cheechcouldn’t agree more. Tommy M has clearly had his head up a Turkey’s arse for at least 6 years. As someone that has worked directly for a Conservative MP, I can honestly say that I’ll never vote for them again. They look down on everyone. (And I’m a privately educated - boarding school suffering - person that is, in many ways, aligned with them).
This is the first time I've been impressed by an active tory mp in a very very long time. Thoughtful, intelligent, passionate and articulate. Young too, seems odd to me this guy isnt viewed at leadership material and i never heard of him until now.
Nice to see someone with actual expertise in his area of… expertise.
Shame he couldn't rule out supporting a tory party with Farage as leader. In contrast to Rory's red line being Boris Johnson.
also very weak to say Farage is simply making legitimate points on immigration, he's quite extreme about it, unrealistically extreme, and inflammatory.
Farage leans far more to the right politically and is close in line with Truss's ideology if Alex is not willing to work with Truss and gets on with this show it shows he's Centre with right lean. politically
@@petera4985 If I'm being honest, it more shows Alex to be a weak politician. As any actual centrist shouldn't even be entertaining the idea of a Farage led tory party. What Alex showed was ideology of the last 5 years of this Conservative government being party first, country second. Overall, disappointed with the lack of difficult questions asked by both Alistair and Rory. Maybe this was due to Alex's seat overwhelming likely to go lib dem.
@@calJ2024 I cannot disagree with your comment (I often do on comments) but the following always comes to mind in context "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."
Edmund Burke
I used to know him years ago and he's always been a polite, fair-minded and competent kind of person who would always listen to and acknowledge the other side of a debate. A functioning democracy needs more intelligent people like him in all parties.
Marvellous interview. So interesting, and he speaks so well.
If Alex were the Tory leader, I could vote Conservative, on the evidence of this hour
The idea of abolishing jury trials is obscene.
Have you listened to what he had to say or just making a comment on the thumbnail. It's at 39:10 if you want to listen to his thoughts on jury trials.
@@WestLondonWarrior just making a comment on the thumbnail 👍
@@WestLondonWarrior cheers for the timestamp
Smart, compassionate and qualified. He's a big loss to British politics even for a Tory
Well look at that, my MP is a guest on Leading.
Just wanted to say that...
... Which is why I had to watch the video this week.
A thoroughly engaging interview with a seemingly decent, knowledgeable and considerate MP. Thanks to Rory for convincing Grumptown Campbell (who, by his own admission, was a bit sceptical) to have Alex on. 😉 And thanks to Alex too!
As someone who has been a defendant in a jury trial as bad as it was in no way would I have wanted a trial without one.
This guy definitely did it
@@ER.Hart2000 never been on trial for anything I have done.
The timing of this is wonderful.
Ethos, logos, pathos,. I think David Hume is correct in that we are primarily emotional animals and that is why pathos is the greatest in argument with the masses and unfortunately passion come most deeply from anger and fear. This is the key that the populists have. Winning by logic quite often requires for someone to admit they where wrong, which as things become more passionate becomes a harder and more bitter pill to swallow. We all struggle with this and its why we become stubborn on our views.
LOL at that Tony Blair Legal Aid trap! Fun
I enjoyed this. Well done, all!
In Switzerland we have referendums all the time. Maybe if you did them more often you would be better at them.
This should be on the main channel. Theres some proper mp's in the tories who speak well.
An absolutely delicious interview ❤
He reminds me of Jonathan Groff in Hamilton
Shame this guy isn't even an MP anymore, seems like a good politician
He talks about the need to stick to the rule of law in relation to people fleeing persecution and danger and trying to get to safety, when this government has closed off most legal routes for refugees to seek asylum, and now they are themselves breaking the law (or changing it to suit themselves) with the Rwanda bill. How disingenuous.
He is a Tory party member...
Jury trials was not even a topic of debate in this conversation. Alex only brought them up to illustrate that they're a pillar stone of the way justice works in this country and not an part of the judicial process that he was willing to compromise on in the context of covid.
There's not even a time stamp for jury trials. Leading/TRIP content team knew this wasn't a discussion but still slapped it on the thumbnail anyway.
Can't help but feel that this click bait marketing style is in opposition to the type of political debate the podcast promotes
Not the jury trials again. Tories have been beating this drum a long time, it’s not juries who cause delay.
Have you listened to what he had to say? It's at 39:10 fyi
I like Alex, he's a good bloke who is trying his best! We need more like Alex Chalk in politics!
Juries fulfil an important constitutional function: they are the citizen’s protection against unjust laws. A jury can bring in a ‘perverse decision’ if it thinks, “Yeah, the law was broken; but the law’s an ass.” There is a troubling authoritarian side to politicians who argue for abolishing or circumscribing juries.
I disagree in the extreme with this guest about the immoral and imprudent Rwanda policy. It represents a violation of Human Rights and he must know this.
How about the human rights of those of us whose homes are being invaded by unwanted, unskilled, uneducated and often criminal foreigners?
I think the post office should be in charge of justice
it is stupid to think that 52-48 decides extremely transcendental issues as leaving/remaining in the European Union.... Parliament should have said a 2/3 majority was necessary to decide the issue, one way or the other. no wonder Brexit continued to divide the country right after the vote!!! is he daft???
The last time I thought this much of a politician after the first time hearing them speak… was Rory Stewart.
Shocking he cannot acknowledge the disaster that is the Rwanda bill. At least he should be honest about how it breaches human rights.
The Rwanda bill has only been a "disaster" because it hasn't been implemented.
You should have asked Alex Chalk about Rishi Sunak's contradictory behaviour when he said: "integrity, accountability and professionalism" in his first speech as Prime Minister, then re-appointing the disgraced Suella Braverman as Home Secretary (in this first Cabinet), despite Suella quitting over data breeches? Fun fact: Alex Chalk looks like a young Den Watts from Eastenders!!...
El Salvagor's mega-jail is the gold standard :)
Life's a playground, so wear that smile proud.
20:08 We never got to find out what he was like as a child due to waffling over him.
23:16 and now he doesn't think class is a big thing!!! 😂 What are these people like!
good 1
Chalk reminds me so much of the younger Blair. I hope he goes places.
Still a Tory.
Ironic that after 14 years, we are now treated to the spectacle of Tories pontificating on possible solutions to problems that have arisen during their administration... Bring on the GE!
You think things will change 😂?
Lol I'm 36 and never been called for jury duty.
I'm 36 been called twice. Swings a roundabouts.
6:07 and this is why you can't be an MP and represent the people in your constituency. These people are so thinly spread!
"My constituents are very smart, I think they'll work it out for themselves, lots of GCHQ..." Yeah they votes the lib dems in. Loving it.
I enjoy listening to Alex and I do believe that he genuinely has the prisoners interests at heart but it does make me frustrated when you hear that the prison systems did a fantastic job of keeping outbreaks happening during Covid. The reality is that in these less fancy prisons, the inmates were kept in their rooms for 23.5 hours per day. It was barbaric and those who didn’t take their own lives (a figure conveniently not mentioned) are suffering trauma related illness’ to this day. Also during this time there were cases of inmates being found dead in their cells 3 weeks after they had commit suicide. So I wouldn’t say that they did a fantastic job at all. The masses are always forgotten about in favour of the more luxury or modern prisons with modern systems in place, however they are the minority and it’s wrong headed to say that a good job was done generally based on the system of two newer prisons.
Alister Campbell: Wetherspoons dad on top, zoomba mom on the bottom.
Chalk stayed with Johnson - got his hands very dirty.
If this man were leader I'd be voting Conservative
Cringe
Seems a nice chap. Pity hes a tory
The easy charm of the privately educated?
Anyone happy to "offshore" immigrants and abolish the core right of trial by jury is not a "nice chap"
Having moved to a country without jury trials, I find way the British lionise them increasingly absurd. We have buckets of evidences about the many ways that juries are flawed, they're more expensive and difficult to organise, impose a significant cost on the people called for service, and yet is there any obvious way in which Britain has a better or fairer justice system than Germany?
Nasty Tory politics aside, Alex has an incredible skincare routine. Nearly 48-years-old! Has a career in moisturiser adverts if the politics thing doesn't work out.
yes, he looks much younger than 50. Probably uses a lot of sunblock - as we all should.
I’m a frequent listener and I love the format on a whole but
I’m sorry to say that Alastair and Rory did a pretty soft job at interviewing an active politician during election times. He was allowed to use the show to promote him self with frankly little to no hard questions.
I’m not a Briton so I don’t have a horse in the British election race, but if I were I’d be pretty disappointed by this episode. 🤔
Good stuff, but let's drop the childhood stuff.
Why? Rory is fascinated in the roots of leaders. How do people get into doing what they are doing. It's his podcast.
Does he have huge hands?
YES, YES WE SHOULD!
If anyone wants to argue, I’d like you to read some CZcams comments and get back to me.
Whats up with AC’s sneakers?
Like most Tory politicians, he speaks well but there is an air of lies that surrounds his every word. For everything he said, there was something he didn't say.
100% agree
How about we go one step better - you get the right to a jury. Not only that, they have to come to a unanimous decision.
If one finds the person not guilty, the case is kicked out. No disregarding the dissenter, no letting the judge intervene.
Should stop these petty prosecutions of thought crimes and woke "offences" and keep the police state behaviour in check.
Another Tory who wants to make sure the status quo stays the same Even if he can say it with passion and a smile
Pitty he'll loss his seat next week.
My main take home point on this is that Alex Chalk could compete for Britian in speed talking. My lord, that man is verbose...
The clickbait caption on this video is one literally zero people are asking 😢
All three are very interested in prisons and have a strong history with the questions. Chalk is a lawyer and works/ed with the Minister of Justice. --- It's their podcast so they can do what they want, ask what they want and pursue their own themes. Football is one, family roots is one, prisons is one, electoral system reform is one. Try watching some of the other videos.
He is a slimy politician. I think he may not even be able to perceive it, even though he absolutely argues as a slimeball. He can't bring himself to engage with basic logic of "you thought we should stay, so why can you say that we could in the future consider rejoining", he just wriggled and wriggled and cited a lot of nonsense about mandates. The simple logic of "I thought we should absolutely remain, so clearly I think that in a decades time we should consider the possibility of rejoining", might be quotable by the tory press, so he couldn't say it, so he has to say it with a million word-salad nonsense bloviating. And, as others have said, the refusal to just say "I'd never stay in a Farage-led conservative party", is the same thing, he just doesn't want to create a quote.
You've gotta love the idea that the head boy of winchester child of a posh girl, tries to claim some working class roots just because his dad did actually have a job, is hilarious. I think, if the average bloke down the pub who think the tories represent them could see a day in the life of Boris and his chums they might realise "oh, er, I think I may have been talked into thinking the absolutely absurd by years or daily mail nonsense"
"It takes a lot of people to make a world" I've heard this before from rich frieds, it's public-school-boy language for "My teachers explained that our ridiculous privilege is acceptable by saying that we, the elite, are somehow necessary" Cameron and boris, both at Eton, this guy, Sunak, both at Winchester (40k a year, 200k education, nearly as much as an average family home). Surprising that they make decisions that result in 20% of people using food banks, people waiting 2 years for a hip replacement, and billions of tax money meant to be for PPE, siphoned to their rich chums?
It's a minor tragedy that this guy is going to lose his seat to a Labour non-entity. Once Labour has failed to deliver on any of its promises, I hope he comes back into politics.
no
@@234cheechcouldn’t agree more.
Tommy M has clearly had his head up a Turkey’s arse for at least 6 years.
As someone that has worked directly for a Conservative MP, I can honestly say that I’ll never vote for them again. They look down on everyone. (And I’m a privately educated - boarding school suffering - person that is, in many ways, aligned with them).
@@234cheechagreed.
It’s the Lib Dems he’s fighting in Cheltenham
The guy is clueless
Can't wait to watch this guy lose his seat next week.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALASTAIR'S TRAINERS? HAHAHA.
Once seen they cannot be unseen.