Really enjoyed watching this video. We ventured into the strip till arena back in ‘18 and bought a unverferth 6 shank model 532 zone stripper. We’re currently running it to match up with a 12 row planter and making it work. We inject 28% N with stabilizer and have had success with the system, but someday would like to update to a 12 row machine and I like the idea of dry. Until discovering your video I thought maybe I’d never get there…Guys around here (WNY) seem to have money trees and are buying 200k+ Kuhn gladiators and soil warriors and another 200k+ on an articulated fwd to pull the monsterous outfit. We’re smaller farmers and simply cannot afford those numbers. Could you tell me more about your outfit (brand?) and what size tractor you have on it and how it performs with it?
Seeing that strip tiller makes me want to try one on a couple fields that are what I call "gumbo" soil. Hard to get one setup for the 20" rows, but thinking about it to even pull it diagonally across the field and seed it into beans or small grains, but I think some specific cover crops might be the best bang for the buck to try first... end goal is to get that "sponge" property. Two smaller fields have some issues. I'm humbled LOL! I don't need the praise, still learning and need to try some new things over the next decade... but going notill over 10 years ago has greatly improved majority of the fields, but there's a couple with that gumbo that need some work. Don't want to disk or till them due to possibility of wind damage. I know it's a rare practice anymore but summerfallowing might be another idea... plant a vast mixture of plants and keep trimming it like a lawn through the year until winter freeze, burndown next spring and seed.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 like having less than 5% of the total acres fallowed every year on fields that need it the most. That's where the organic program is nice to have summerfallow every few years, but the acreage is so wonky... sometimes it's only 10% of the organic acres, then the next year is near 40% all due to where it's at in rotation.
I would love a strip till set up, but it's just not in the cards yet. The whole banding fertlizer is why I have dry fert on my planter. I can use 30% of p and k these big guys broadcast just by banding it with the planter. Just sucks it take so long planting putting on 250-350lbs an acre with the planter.
You can make hooking up air cart easy by putting a electic whinch from harbor freight, to pull air cart to strip till, alot of nh3 applicator bar that set on them
I do agree with what you’re saying on fertilizer savings if you’re a farm buying all your fertilizer. My situation is different I’m a hog farmer and we spread liquid hog manure with a spreader plate not injection. Can I still cut my additional fertilizer I apply or will I see any difference. I guess foliar application of melted urea is an option in crop. Just would like your opinion on this. I believe you run your farm like I do you like to think things through try do be profitable and at the same time do what’s right for the soil
Man, with hog manure, would you ever need any fertilizer? Ha, that's black gold! Do some test strips, do plant testing, Haney test for N credits and see how it goes. Look up soil regen labs and see what other tests they have for you.
The first "notill" planter I was exposed to was a John Deere 7000/with a Rawson coulter system. We had three coulters per row with one applying 28%. The planter had dry fertilizer and we had 300 gallons of nitrogen on the tractor. At the time this system seemed to work well. I actually never realized how bad the compaction was on that farm from chopper wagons and hauling manure until we bought a deep zone tiller. Four shank on a front assist 4450 the headlands looked like busted concrete.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 simple reliable and accurate. No computers to screw up either. And my tractor is equipped with DPS. I'm looking for a 7000 to build into it my own no-till planter
Thanks. We have Said it before it feels good to work off the farm for 20 years and now things starting to come together. We just need a decent crop year. The last three years on the crops have been a pretty good failure for us
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 ya, hopefully we all do well and survive!!! 2 dry years, followed by 3 severe drought years.. now a wet spring and still supposed to be a drought summer.. we definitely need a break!! From one of the bigger hay selling farms, to cutting the cow herd in half and buying hay.. it doesn't work out very well..
You should set the deflector discs in complete straight line, in my opionion, so the birm is nice and flat (for spring tillage and planting). rear packing wheels also would help. Anyway, nice machine. No tiller from Eastern Europe, will do my first strip till for winter oil seed rape (canola) this autumn.
Welcome! Is the canola then a cash crop or are you using it as a green manure crop ? I would like to add a conditioning system on the back, the berm is so fluffy that if you move any soil off to the side lyric can't get back into the Trench you might actually end up with kind of a Furrow behind the planter. I've had a lot better luck the more peaky or pyramid-shaped I can make the berm if that makes any sense.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 yes, for cash crop. it is the only crop we establish with strip till, because it is planted after cereals and huge amount of chopped straw is a huge challenge to establish such small seeds eventhough half of the openers are equipped with the cleansweep row cleaners . The legumes and cereals are no tilled though
Such a nice setup! I couldn't believe the difference where we put cover crops, did some test strip notill and just disc once dirt kept going over the dumbell it was so soft. Good luck great video! No tilled right by the highway of course the first old timer I saw was shaking his head few choice comments and had to lift his cap a few times and scratch his noggin lol
They have seen others do it unsuccessfully, and have possibly tried it themselves and failed. When someone is successful, it often angers them. At 1st I was perceived as a hobby farmer, a few years later they said I’d go broke doing this over 1500 acres. Then I was definitely going to go broke THIS TIME with the 1400 additional acres of moonscape I bought that couldn’t even grow weeds. Then I didn’t even farm it for awhile. No surviving that, yet I did. The big equipment and Infrastructure upgrade was sure to do me in! Oops, I’m still here, I’d saved up for those improvements. Started doing custom soybean planting, I’d never get enough to cover what I put in to those planters, and nobody wants 20” soybeans. Hmmm, it turns out that a lot of people like having ALL their beans planted in a day at about the same cost they would pay doing it themselves, and are getting the best yields they have ever seen. Then taking on so much rental ground. No way I’ll ever get over 7000 acres. Well, sooner or later, they are bound to be right, I mean they’ve been wrong for 21 years. Even a broken clock is right twice per day. The thing is, our 5 year farm plan is to own 5400 and farm 10k total. I just want to be humble. If I ever had to, I could sell off some ground and stay afloat. I’ll know I tried, and my failures won’t be from being irresponsible. I’m not afraid to hire people who are smarter than me, and it doesn’t bother me to collaborate with others instead of building an empire, leaving plenty of meat on the bone for other families to make gains as part of our 360 degree regenerative effort. It doesn’t matter what we do, we’re going to have plenty of critics. Unfortunately their are several multi nationals, each controlling millions of acres, who are stepping up to consumer demands for ethical and ecological production. YES regen will kill the family farm, but only because the American farmer refused to listen to the customer.
Would ypu recommend strip tillage on dryland? In western ks the rains aren't as common as other states. Can be very dry at times or sometimes get lucky and can be wet for a month but then shut off. Everyone does it here for irrigated but haven't seen it really for dryland
I think your guys's definition of dry land can be tremendously more dry than what I would even be able to comprehend. LOL I would say if guys are doing strip-till in your area but they're not doing on the dry land then they might know what's going on. But if you have a field that needs some compassion busted up it wouldn't be a bad tool?
What's your reasoning for running it in the spring as opposed to the fall? Looks like your strip could benefit from the freeze thaw cycle. Looks pretty nice. Strip till is definitely intriguing
Spring compared to fall strip the soil stays a lot more loose. Also a lot of falls the ground is froze by the time we get done with crops. I might try more fall strips if we have a late fall.
I'm having problems planting into high residue cover crops.These is my 3rd year no till.my row cleaners just seem to roll over rather than sweep to the side.its just a 7100 2 row and as far as I can tell everything is good on the planters as far as opening discs and closing wheels.wouls adding weights to row cleaners help...martin floating
Another great video John! In your opinion do you think it would be feasible to do strip till without a guidance system? Or to much of a hassle? About 60ac a year with a 6 row planter.
Can ya plant right behind that rig or is it best to leave it settle for a few days. I haven't done much strippin, last year I did 10 acres and decided it was getting late, this year I'm skipping P and K so I didn't see a reason to do it. Probably would help in those spots you talked about though🤣 It does pull some stones up to pick up wich I don't remember how to do.🤣
This is awesome Jon ! I've been watching you for almost 4 years and look where you are! Really neat! You need to come down and visit us and just walk on my dirt ,the sound of all them rock's just makes me cringe! I bet if you could get all them rock's out of your fields you would have nothing but a hole in the ground? Thanks for sharing Jon keep givener 💩!🤣👍🥃
I would not be apposed to the VT setup, in our soil a VT pass in the fall with no cover crop is asking for massive erosion the next spring. But you have to balance a necessary Evil versus what tools do you have and how to do the stuff timely on your farm. If you have a lot of other stuff to do the v t machine with seeding can be very fast versus a drill.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Ok thank you I’m not full covers yet but trying and it would be more so to smooth fields and seed then anything vs running a finisher then drill. Thank you
In a perfect world we all could get away with zero till, but we have families, jobs, limited tools on the farm... if you own a VT machine I would spend a little money for some type of air cart and system or whatever to make it a seeding machine vs buying another expensive item.
Cover crops, I'm trying to have every acre with a green fuzz going into winter. A majority of it will not live but every once in a while you get a mild winter and might have some green in the spring. Or some of the fields I switched over to clovers so in the spring they can have a month of growth to put carbon into the soil
A lot better! A little more capacity a lot more flexibility with the twin bin the air system seems a little better delivery and probably a little better consistent pattern across the width of the machine. The Montague the auger wasn't quite perfect The other thing with this cart is I can make a three point drill toolbar. Lots of options
Figure how to get fertilizer on it. When dialing in the machine it's easier to adjust 1 row until you get it dialed in. We should be more aware of what the soil.is like, can't wait for perfect conditions, fall strip would be more forgiving. Know your fields, don't fall strip ground that is going to wash out . Talking to another guy the other day, his seed dealer was out walking fields, he said "your corn is so green"! Farmer said I know but why? Is it that after several years of no-till and cover crops and strip-till is making the soil alive? Is there more efficiency to banding than we think? We cant answer questions but we know our crops are responding positively. I notice and my local seed folks noticed how green my corn stays even with less than recommended fertilizer
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 this first year we are just going to blow the p and k over the top our nitrogen is split between the planter and side dress just wanted to get a feel for planting on the strips and gain confidence in it before we bought an air cart and all that equpiment
Yeah I mean you can put some dirt on the seeds. Or steal a little of the neighbors dirt & mix that in. But mostly you want a little magic dirt. But mostly dirt. It’s not like we all have good dirt. So yeah I mean voodoo dirt. Well & some water. Well ok you caught me. I usually just pee on mine. So it’s like 12 beers every night for 12 plants. Unless Sammy is visiting. Wow then we’ll get a row or two done ya know Sammy he drinks that pisswater light & that god awful gin. That’ll get em grownin. But who can keep listening to those same stories right?
Cool video. Great job explaining the soil health and the worm holes.
very cool set up! And working good too! Kinda important 😂
2022 is my first year planting into a strip till prepared field. I loved it!
Nice! Hope it turns out well for you!
I sure love striptill. Has transformed our farm. Water doesn't pond like it used to. Worms on farms that never had them. All good.
Pretty amazed at what it looks like when you sink your hand into the strip, looks to me like this is the way to go! Can’t wait to see it August 👍
After the storms I don't know if I want to look....
Really enjoyed watching this video. We ventured into the strip till arena back in ‘18 and bought a unverferth 6 shank model 532 zone stripper. We’re currently running it to match up with a 12 row planter and making it work. We inject 28% N with stabilizer and have had success with the system, but someday would like to update to a 12 row machine and I like the idea of dry. Until discovering your video I thought maybe I’d never get there…Guys around here (WNY) seem to have money trees and are buying 200k+ Kuhn gladiators and soil warriors and another 200k+ on an articulated fwd to pull the monsterous outfit. We’re smaller farmers and simply cannot afford those numbers. Could you tell me more about your outfit (brand?) and what size tractor you have on it and how it performs with it?
Seeing that strip tiller makes me want to try one on a couple fields that are what I call "gumbo" soil. Hard to get one setup for the 20" rows, but thinking about it to even pull it diagonally across the field and seed it into beans or small grains, but I think some specific cover crops might be the best bang for the buck to try first... end goal is to get that "sponge" property. Two smaller fields have some issues.
I'm humbled LOL! I don't need the praise, still learning and need to try some new things over the next decade... but going notill over 10 years ago has greatly improved majority of the fields, but there's a couple with that gumbo that need some work. Don't want to disk or till them due to possibility of wind damage. I know it's a rare practice anymore but summerfallowing might be another idea... plant a vast mixture of plants and keep trimming it like a lawn through the year until winter freeze, burndown next spring and seed.
Wondered how a guy could get to the point where you kept 1 field green fallow.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 like having less than 5% of the total acres fallowed every year on fields that need it the most. That's where the organic program is nice to have summerfallow every few years, but the acreage is so wonky... sometimes it's only 10% of the organic acres, then the next year is near 40% all due to where it's at in rotation.
I would love a strip till set up, but it's just not in the cards yet. The whole banding fertlizer is why I have dry fert on my planter. I can use 30% of p and k these big guys broadcast just by banding it with the planter. Just sucks it take so long planting putting on 250-350lbs an acre with the planter.
2x2 on the planter is a forgotten fantastic thing. Corn and beans became efficiency of acres per hour and not of inputs.
You can make hooking up air cart easy by putting a electic whinch from harbor freight, to pull air cart to strip till, alot of nh3 applicator bar that set on them
Not bad idea.
Seen a winch for the combine that when it sucks in it becomes the hitch
I do agree with what you’re saying on fertilizer savings if you’re a farm buying all your fertilizer. My situation is different I’m a hog farmer and we spread liquid hog manure with a spreader plate not injection. Can I still cut my additional fertilizer I apply or will I see any difference. I guess foliar application of melted urea is an option in crop. Just would like your opinion on this. I believe you run your farm like I do you like to think things through try do be profitable and at the same time do what’s right for the soil
Man, with hog manure, would you ever need any fertilizer? Ha, that's black gold!
Do some test strips, do plant testing, Haney test for N credits and see how it goes. Look up soil regen labs and see what other tests they have for you.
The first "notill" planter I was exposed to was a John Deere 7000/with a Rawson coulter system. We had three coulters per row with one applying 28%. The planter had dry fertilizer and we had 300 gallons of nitrogen on the tractor. At the time this system seemed to work well. I actually never realized how bad the compaction was on that farm from chopper wagons and hauling manure until we bought a deep zone tiller. Four shank on a front assist 4450 the headlands looked like busted concrete.
Would Make a nice planter today!
Crazy how hard the ground can get
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 simple reliable and accurate. No computers to screw up either. And my tractor is equipped with DPS. I'm looking for a 7000 to build into it my own no-till planter
@@danw6014 if I was closer I have some Road Unit you could use for part
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 if I was closer I'd be pulling in to watch the corn grow!
Nice setup 👍
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Thanks. We have Said it before it feels good to work off the farm for 20 years and now things starting to come together. We just need a decent crop year. The last three years on the crops have been a pretty good failure for us
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 ya, hopefully we all do well and survive!!!
2 dry years, followed by 3 severe drought years.. now a wet spring and still supposed to be a drought summer.. we definitely need a break!! From one of the bigger hay selling farms, to cutting the cow herd in half and buying hay.. it doesn't work out very well..
Ugh, sorry to hear. Yeah hope you have a very good year!
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 thank you Jon 👍
You should set the deflector discs in complete straight line, in my opionion, so the birm is nice and flat (for spring tillage and planting).
rear packing wheels also would help. Anyway, nice machine. No tiller from Eastern Europe, will do my first strip till for winter oil seed rape (canola) this autumn.
Welcome! Is the canola then a cash crop or are you using it as a green manure crop ?
I would like to add a conditioning system on the back, the berm is so fluffy that if you move any soil off to the side lyric can't get back into the Trench you might actually end up with kind of a Furrow behind the planter. I've had a lot better luck the more peaky or pyramid-shaped I can make the berm if that makes any sense.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 yes, for cash crop. it is the only crop we establish with strip till, because it is planted after cereals and huge amount of chopped straw is a huge challenge to establish such small seeds eventhough half of the openers are equipped with the cleansweep row cleaners . The legumes and cereals are no tilled though
Such a nice setup! I couldn't believe the difference where we put cover crops, did some test strip notill and just disc once dirt kept going over the dumbell it was so soft. Good luck great video! No tilled right by the highway of course the first old timer I saw was shaking his head few choice comments and had to lift his cap a few times and scratch his noggin lol
Ha! You got to love when the people look at you like what on Earth are you doing. Glad to hear you're getting some success with your covers
They have seen others do it unsuccessfully, and have possibly tried it themselves and failed. When someone is successful, it often angers them. At 1st I was perceived as a hobby farmer, a few years later they said I’d go broke doing this over 1500 acres. Then I was definitely going to go broke THIS TIME with the 1400 additional acres of moonscape I bought that couldn’t even grow weeds. Then I didn’t even farm it for awhile. No surviving that, yet I did.
The big equipment and Infrastructure upgrade was sure to do me in! Oops, I’m still here, I’d saved up for those improvements. Started doing custom soybean planting, I’d never get enough to cover what I put in to those planters, and nobody wants 20” soybeans. Hmmm, it turns out that a lot of people like having ALL their beans planted in a day at about the same cost they would pay doing it themselves, and are getting the best yields they have ever seen.
Then taking on so much rental ground. No way I’ll ever get over 7000 acres. Well, sooner or later, they are bound to be right, I mean they’ve been wrong for 21 years. Even a broken clock is right twice per day.
The thing is, our 5 year farm plan is to own 5400 and farm 10k total. I just want to be humble. If I ever had to, I could sell off some ground and stay afloat. I’ll know I tried, and my failures won’t be from being irresponsible.
I’m not afraid to hire people who are smarter than me, and it doesn’t bother me to collaborate with others instead of building an empire, leaving plenty of meat on the bone for other families to make gains as part of our 360 degree regenerative effort.
It doesn’t matter what we do, we’re going to have plenty of critics. Unfortunately their are several multi nationals, each controlling millions of acres, who are stepping up to consumer demands for ethical and ecological production. YES regen will kill the family farm, but only because the American farmer refused to listen to the customer.
Looks like a fantastic setup! What guidance correction are you using?
Terra star X. Agleader equipment, poor man's RTK, 1.5 " accuracy for a lot less money!
Would ypu recommend strip tillage on dryland? In western ks the rains aren't as common as other states. Can be very dry at times or sometimes get lucky and can be wet for a month but then shut off. Everyone does it here for irrigated but haven't seen it really for dryland
I think your guys's definition of dry land can be tremendously more dry than what I would even be able to comprehend. LOL
I would say if guys are doing strip-till in your area but they're not doing on the dry land then they might know what's going on. But if you have a field that needs some compassion busted up it wouldn't be a bad tool?
Have a strip tiller guy come make couple rounds in your field to do a test
What's your reasoning for running it in the spring as opposed to the fall? Looks like your strip could benefit from the freeze thaw cycle. Looks pretty nice. Strip till is definitely intriguing
Spring compared to fall strip the soil stays a lot more loose.
Also a lot of falls the ground is froze by the time we get done with crops. I might try more fall strips if we have a late fall.
I'm having problems planting into high residue cover crops.These is my 3rd year no till.my row cleaners just seem to roll over rather than sweep to the side.its just a 7100 2 row and as far as I can tell everything is good on the planters as far as opening discs and closing wheels.wouls adding weights to row cleaners help...martin floating
Most floating row cleaners you can take the pin that stops them from going down to far and make them rigid.
Thanks...I done just the opposite
Another great video John! In your opinion do you think it would be feasible to do strip till without a guidance system? Or to much of a hassle? About 60ac a year with a 6 row planter.
Find a used set of planter markers for the strip machine!
Sure, you just need to be talented enough to stay on the row manually. Not all that more difficult than cultivating crops.
Can ya plant right behind that rig or is it best to leave it settle for a few days. I haven't done much strippin, last year I did 10 acres and decided it was getting late, this year I'm skipping P and K so I didn't see a reason to do it. Probably would help in those spots you talked about though🤣 It does pull some stones up to pick up wich I don't remember how to do.🤣
When I am applying fertilizer I like to wait a couple days so the fertilizer can mellow down
What do you think about the planter hitched to the striptill😊
That would be awesome if a guy could figure it out.
Hey Jon, Nice video, What is the amout of fert you apply? Is it just Urea? I am trying same thing on our ground. THanks!
I did 100 lbs urea and 50 lbs as. Good luck!
What horsepower tractor do you used for that equipment and what the name of it
The Massey 8660 is 270 pto hp. I wouldn't want any less.
B&H is the brand of strip-till bar
This is awesome Jon ! I've been watching you for almost 4 years and look where you are! Really neat! You need to come down and visit us and just walk on my dirt ,the sound of all them rock's just makes me cringe! I bet if you could get all them rock's out of your fields you would have nothing but a hole in the ground? Thanks for sharing Jon keep givener 💩!🤣👍🥃
Ha thanks.
Rocks are future P&K!
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 lmfao!😂🤣 Just keep telling yourself that?👍🤣😂
Do you feel seeding covers with a vt like a salford is to much disturbance in the soil or is drilling them the best route?
I would not be apposed to the VT setup, in our soil a VT pass in the fall with no cover crop is asking for massive erosion the next spring. But you have to balance a necessary Evil versus what tools do you have and how to do the stuff timely on your farm. If you have a lot of other stuff to do the v t machine with seeding can be very fast versus a drill.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Ok thank you I’m not full covers yet but trying and it would be more so to smooth fields and seed then anything vs running a finisher then drill. Thank you
In a perfect world we all could get away with zero till, but we have families, jobs, limited tools on the farm... if you own a VT machine I would spend a little money for some type of air cart and system or whatever to make it a seeding machine vs buying another expensive item.
Jon do you have that much trouble with weeds over wintering as far North as you are?? Looks like a lot of green coming
Cover crops, I'm trying to have every acre with a green fuzz going into winter. A majority of it will not live but every once in a while you get a mild winter and might have some green in the spring. Or some of the fields I switched over to clovers so in the spring they can have a month of growth to put carbon into the soil
how do you like the new cart vs the montag?
A lot better! A little more capacity a lot more flexibility with the twin bin the air system seems a little better delivery and probably a little better consistent pattern across the width of the machine. The Montague the auger wasn't quite perfect
The other thing with this cart is I can make a three point drill toolbar. Lots of options
Any advice for a first time strip tiller ??
Figure how to get fertilizer on it.
When dialing in the machine it's easier to adjust 1 row until you get it dialed in. We should be more aware of what the soil.is like, can't wait for perfect conditions, fall strip would be more forgiving.
Know your fields, don't fall strip ground that is going to wash out .
Talking to another guy the other day, his seed dealer was out walking fields, he said "your corn is so green"! Farmer said I know but why? Is it that after several years of no-till and cover crops and strip-till is making the soil alive? Is there more efficiency to banding than we think? We cant answer questions but we know our crops are responding positively.
I notice and my local seed folks noticed how green my corn stays even with less than recommended fertilizer
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 this first year we are just going to blow the p and k over the top our nitrogen is split between the planter and side dress just wanted to get a feel for planting on the strips and gain confidence in it before we bought an air cart and all that equpiment
@@chrisbertrand3989 absolutely!
that looked like urea not potash you were loading
Correct, a little AMS mixed with it.
Yeah I mean you can put some dirt on the seeds. Or steal a little of the neighbors dirt & mix that in. But mostly you want a little magic dirt. But mostly dirt. It’s not like we all have good dirt. So yeah I mean voodoo dirt. Well & some water. Well ok you caught me. I usually just pee on mine. So it’s like 12 beers every night for 12 plants. Unless Sammy is visiting. Wow then we’ll get a row or two done ya know Sammy he drinks that pisswater light & that god awful gin. That’ll get em grownin. But who can keep listening to those same stories right?
The rest of the state of Minnesota laughs at my territory. No top soil, no fertility, no growing season
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Thanks for not calling me out on not being able to book any dates on my stand up act.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Do you have a lawn waste recycling centers by you? You know they actually pay good $ to haul that stuff off in bulk.
Ha!
@@blacklisterd not that I know of?.