Baxter, you and I have the same love for Bjork. I fell in love with her in the Sugarcubes, and I love all of her solo work. She is such a fascinating woman!
I'm from the generation of Stairway being the " Forbidden riff " , no big deal considering in not a big Zeppelin fan ( I know BLASPHEMY ) lol. But it does my heart good when I'm in a guitar shop and hear someone in their teens crank out Stairway or Layla or even better some Buddy Holly or even better than that some Robert Johnson. Gives me a silver of hope for the future.
I know what’s gonna happen. It won’t be about what gear you have but about what you can do with the gear you were born with. I have 5 picks on my right hand.
I know the solo to stairway to heaven, but now I’m going to have to practice and play it after work. Great song and a great solo. We should have a week where we play all of the songs that we thought were too cliché to play anymore.
I play them, Smoke, Stairway, Sweet Child, Sandman, Seven Nation Army , Show Me How To Live, Slow Dancing in a Burning Room. One "S" for each decade. Not sure what the Teens have brought us in the way of forbidden riffs. Anyone who can play GOAT is probably not going to get kicked out.
I'm the guitarist/vocalist in a three piece PT original band that plays around Minneapolis and St. Paul, MN. In a few of our songs I play what would be considered traditional type lead parts. Mainly I do melodic breaks. I'm concerned with the song and not me being the focal point. I use an EHX Mel 9, Mono Synth and Canyon delay along with a Digitech multi effect unit in attempt to get a different sound for each song and different sounds for each part of the song. I get maybe one or two people after our set compliment me on the guitar but honestly since our drummer is really, really good he gets a lot of the compliments. It doesn't bother me. I've been playing for 44 years and know I can play. Again, the song is more important than the parts.
I play in a few different bands and have become the Freebird guy, seems like every band I fill in for says I heard you play Freebird do mind if we play it tonight? I never thought that song wound come back in style.
I don’t hear riffs anymore when visiting my local guitar stores…but I think it is due to the state of music at present. I don’t see any guitar heros any longer. And don’t really see them emerging like they did when I was younger.
I grew up listening to Zeppelin, AC/DC, Van Halen, Metallica and the like. I will always listen to them because they’re why I got into guitar in the first place.
Have the "forbidden" riffs been replaced with new riffs? I don't hear Stairway too much in music stores, but I hear a lot of Teen Spirit, is there a new generation of "forbidden" riffs coming soon?
Don’t know about no wider trends but back in the 90s I had this vision that I would meet Bjork at some club in Chicago after some gig and ask her if she wanted a glass of orange juice. She said, “Thank you.” And then we drank orange juice together.
I hear a young kid ripping Jerry Garcia riffs, Blues licks, Metal type stuff, Arpeggios (UHG), funky jazzy progressions. All that could be anything, about every time I go in a guitar shop. Where did this "stairway " Myth come from.? A movie? I hear a lot of one chord or note over and over while they are testing gear. Honestly, who is playing classic rock songs in a guitar store?
I always thought Stairway and Watchtower sounded similar at a certain part. I used to mix records and i mashed up those two songs. I thought it worked. Now I'm trying to play guitar and I've been working Since I've Been Loving You for months. I feel like i should be playing it perfectly by now but I'm not quite there.
No matter what kind of music you play or listen to, there is always going to be somebody who thinks you’re music is boring, casual, or bad. Change and evolution in music is a good thing though. Things would be incredibly boring if every band was a Led Zeppelin wanna be cover band
While I appreciate Hendrix, Page, and Clapton, I find it interesting that lists of guitar heroes often leave out acoustic rockers like Stephen Stills or David Crosby or Roger McGuinn or James Taylor or Paul Simon or Jackson Browne or Joni Mitchell or Cat Stevens or Gordon Lightfoot. Is it because strumming somehow isn’t guitar playing?
I come at it from this angle. When I was in the Army in the mid-90s in Germany, there were 3-4 bands made up of Soldiers in my brigade, on top of all the other guys who played instruments who weren't in bands. In those days, there were still a lot of metal bands, but also Grunge, alt rock, post punk, almost any genre you wanted in the Nürnberg/Frankfurt area. Nowadays, you can't find anyone who plays an instrument, let alone are in a band. Most Soldiers just spend their downtime drinking and playing Xbox. Any music they listen to is likely pop, or very obscure artists. When I'm in the music store, I play stuff like Black Sabbath, Alice in Chains, Mad Season or older Metallica. My own personal writing, coming from a hair metal background, is leaning towards an industrial punk/Grunge fusion, oddly enough.
I think we've been in a period of mediocrity thats about to give way to some truly awesome music. I feel like young kids now aren't buying into the same bullshit their parents did, or at least I hope not... because we've seen what's happened to art and free thinking in the last few generations, it's been dying a slow and gruesome death but I don't think you can ever really kill the human spirit, so its finding new roots with younger people that are hungry for another revolution!
That truly awesome music you're talking about is being produced by Mothers Cake. Best new(er) band I've heard in the last decade. They're phenomenal. Check em out!
The greats have their place as groundbreakers. To feel they're the pinnacle, is silly, nothing starts that way. It becomes that way later. Some where so advanced they still sit in rotations on my listening lists, but most are so basic after year 3 of guitar and pursuing the best you can be, the absolute best, you cannot sit in the 50's 60's 70's, and expect to be the best possible musician imo. You wil be a good one though, so I see why so many sit there in music history, but I feel that music went even further one decade later, despite the spandex and makeup. I feel music complexity went full chaos in the 80's, and to me, if you wanna get stuck somewhere, get stuck there. More people will enjoy that today. 20 yrs ago, you'd be wiser to go back to 50's 60's and 70's, but today, most people have never heard it, or, are so used to hearing it, they may have a negative reaction to it. It happens, things fall to antiquity, all things, given time.
Of course not. That’s old shit. That’s like teenage me going into a guitar store in 1980 and playing some Wes Montgomery, Johnny Smith or Kenny Burrell tune from the 50’s. Forbidden tunes now should be from the 90’s or later.
While I don’t really “riff” out at music stores, I don’t have time to learn songs exactly how they were played originally. I’ve found no one cares about your solo or how close it is. It’s the general sound and the vocals they pay attention to. I can skip a solo and no one would notice. Being in a part time (bar band) people just want to dance and drink. S long as the band as a whole sounds good, no one idealizes the guitar player anymore. Since I only have a few hours a week to prepare for a gig or rehearsal, I can’t spend hours dedicated to learning a solo note for note.
If you've put in the hours, days and years to learn to play an instrument go and write you're own stuff. Don't riff on the past, the past was a blast and it disappeared fast 💥
Kids today have to check round the guitar shop to make sure no one is filming themselves for social media. Don't want to launch into Hotal California and some poor sod loses their CZcams channel for a strike!
If one station was playing stairway to heaven, and the station at the other end of the dial in HD FM was playing highway to hell. What station would you choose?😆
Individuality matters. I don’t want to solo exactly like Page, Clapton, Livgren, any of them. Love the songs but why play 100% like the original unless you need to for work. Eddie didn’t play like Greg who didn’t play like Joe who didn’t play like Jimmy. Let us be individuals that appreciate all the old stuff.
Someone started playing smoke on the water during band practice and I felt so much cringe that I tried to top it with sweet child o' mine. I felt dirty and needed a cold shower.
Guys, I don't think streaming accessibility means that we are living in a "golden age" of music. Perhaps a golden age of technology, but not music. And even then, I have so much music on my 2010 160GB iPod that isn't on streaming providers because it's a super deep cut OR just because of licensing nonsense. This is a shitty age for music. It's all surface level nonsense that young people are getting attracted to and if they try to dig a bit deeper, their sensibilities about something needing to be good and exciting in .00005 seconds takes over and if it's not, PEACE OUT. I've been an old guy yelling at clouds since I knew what I liked in music as a 3 year old kid discovering the Beatles with his dad - in 1982. It was already old. The Beatles were no longer new. John had been murdered and they weren't able to come back. I love old music. And while I do think there is still an attraction to older music and certainly to all the players you mentioned, we have a HUGE CZcams problem - looking at you Marty Schwartz. People roll the red carpet out for that guy as if he himself is Eric Clapton. I don't get it. His dumbed-down way of talking about songs has to be some of the most vile CZcams c0nTeNt ever created. It's certainly the responsibility of the players and observers of his channel to further the rock down the road and learn these songs "the right way", but his way of teaching gives folks this odd behavior where they think just good enough is enough. It's awful. Then we have guitar acrobats that aren't really trying to create anything with emotion, just physical dexterity. I appreciate the work it takes to get there. It's NOT easy. I get that, but does all that work translate into something that can be played over a song? Will that make the song better? Are you just doing that type of guitar work to piss every singer on the planet off because you know that's happening? I had to pull back from the classic rock guys because it DID finally get boring and I'm going to blame a combination of FM radio programmers and CZcams c0nTeNt creators. So I roll with Robben Ford these days. Gov't Mule/Warren Haynes. Eric Johnson (when not singing). These are lyrical players that can play their asses off, but fit into the context of a song with other musicians that maybe don't just need a 2 hour spotlight. They can all obviously play and we know that. I want to hear how they handle fitting into a song. TL;DR - Marty Schwartz is a bum.
Gawd what is wrong with you two. Buy Deep Purple’s Machine Head, play it from the start and come back to me. Yes side 1 (vinyl records) is prefer to side 2 but if you don’t like side 1 of this even now? Walk away from guitar for ever coz you’re not worthy. Cheers from NZ sitting here with my Uber rare Sun Dew Gold Ibanez Pia on my lap watching YT vids instead of the Pia hanging on a wall never being played. Peter
My local guitar store has a sign posted that says “NO CHARLIE CHRISTIAN RIFFS”. 😂
The piano and keyboard section has a “NO MAPLE LEAF RAG” sign to match. 😂
😂
Noone’s playing Chet Atkins and Merle Travis because that stuff is HARD! Jerry Reed is an under-appreciated musical giant.
❤Peavey T-60 playin son of a gun! Woo!!🤠
When I'm in a guitar store, I bust out my best Johnny Marr impression!
Another fun video! Thanks, guys.
Baxter, you and I have the same love for Bjork. I fell in love with her in the Sugarcubes, and I love all of her solo work. She is such a fascinating woman!
I'm from the generation of Stairway being the " Forbidden riff " , no big deal considering in not a big Zeppelin fan ( I know BLASPHEMY ) lol.
But it does my heart good when I'm in a guitar shop and hear someone in their teens crank out Stairway or Layla or even better some Buddy Holly or even better than that some Robert Johnson. Gives me a silver of hope for the future.
Why? How does living in the past give you hope for the future?
@@zizzinpuss It's simple thought. Knowing where you came from
I’m old enough to remember having to choose between hee haw and LWK on tv prime time real time
Rock N Roll Aint gonna die. AC/DC said it best. I still play all my favorite riffs that got me into playing.
I know what’s gonna happen. It won’t be about what gear you have but about what you can do with the gear you were born with.
I have 5 picks on my right hand.
I know the solo to stairway to heaven, but now I’m going to have to practice and play it after work. Great song and a great solo. We should have a week where we play all of the songs that we thought were too cliché to play anymore.
That solo is THE perfect solo in every way.
It's tells it's own story.
Page's best work imo
I play them, Smoke, Stairway, Sweet Child, Sandman, Seven Nation Army , Show Me How To Live, Slow Dancing in a Burning Room. One "S" for each decade. Not sure what the Teens have brought us in the way of forbidden riffs. Anyone who can play GOAT is probably not going to get kicked out.
John5 is an all around player! He can play so many different styles!
I'm the guitarist/vocalist in a three piece PT original band that plays around Minneapolis and St. Paul, MN. In a few of our songs I play what would be considered traditional type lead parts. Mainly I do melodic breaks. I'm concerned with the song and not me being the focal point. I use an EHX Mel 9, Mono Synth and Canyon delay along with a Digitech multi effect unit in attempt to get a different sound for each song and different sounds for each part of the song. I get maybe one or two people after our set compliment me on the guitar but honestly since our drummer is really, really good he gets a lot of the compliments. It doesn't bother me. I've been playing for 44 years and know I can play. Again, the song is more important than the parts.
I play in a few different bands and have become the Freebird guy, seems like every band I fill in for says I heard you play Freebird do mind if we play it tonight? I never thought that song wound come back in style.
We need to push Dirty Honey and their guitarist, John Notto, to the moon! One day, maybe “Rollin 7’s” will be among the forbidden riffs!
Cautiously optimistic!!! Lol thank you guys:)
Amazing
I don’t hear riffs anymore when visiting my local guitar stores…but I think it is due to the state of music at present. I don’t see any guitar heros any longer. And don’t really see them emerging like they did when I was younger.
Have you had an electric shock? Your hair is doing something, and not telling you! I love Bjork as well, she's beautiful!
It's sad to, so many amazing players can be found if you just start digging 😉🤘🎸🔥
I always play my own made up bs riffs in guitar stores. No one's able to tell me, "You're playing that wrong."
I grew up listening to Zeppelin, AC/DC, Van Halen, Metallica and the like. I will always listen to them because they’re why I got into guitar in the first place.
Have the "forbidden" riffs been replaced with new riffs? I don't hear Stairway too much in music stores, but I hear a lot of Teen Spirit, is there a new generation of "forbidden" riffs coming soon?
Don’t know about no wider trends but back in the 90s I had this vision that I would meet Bjork at some club in Chicago after some gig and ask her if she wanted a glass of orange juice. She said, “Thank you.” And then we drank orange juice together.
I love trying to play Jimmy Page. He’s so different in the way he plays. And if you do well at it you can learn to play almost anything.
Speaking as a no one who plays the old riffs for nobody we don’t like to be told no.
I hear a young kid ripping Jerry Garcia riffs, Blues licks, Metal type stuff, Arpeggios (UHG), funky jazzy progressions. All that could be anything, about every time I go in a guitar shop. Where did this "stairway " Myth come from.? A movie? I hear a lot of one chord or note over and over while they are testing gear. Honestly, who is playing classic rock songs in a guitar store?
I always thought Stairway and Watchtower sounded similar at a certain part. I used to mix records and i mashed up those two songs. I thought it worked. Now I'm trying to play guitar and I've been working Since I've Been Loving You for months. I feel like i should be playing it perfectly by now but I'm not quite there.
Hee Haw was pretty awesome. 🎻
No matter what kind of music you play or listen to, there is always going to be somebody who thinks you’re music is boring, casual, or bad. Change and evolution in music is a good thing though. Things would be incredibly boring if every band was a Led Zeppelin wanna be cover band
We should all be practicing our Yngwie.
While I appreciate Hendrix, Page, and Clapton, I find it interesting that lists of guitar heroes often leave out acoustic rockers like Stephen Stills or David Crosby or Roger McGuinn or James Taylor or Paul Simon or Jackson Browne or Joni Mitchell or Cat Stevens or Gordon Lightfoot. Is it because strumming somehow isn’t guitar playing?
I come at it from this angle. When I was in the Army in the mid-90s in Germany, there were 3-4 bands made up of Soldiers in my brigade, on top of all the other guys who played instruments who weren't in bands. In those days, there were still a lot of metal bands, but also Grunge, alt rock, post punk, almost any genre you wanted in the Nürnberg/Frankfurt area.
Nowadays, you can't find anyone who plays an instrument, let alone are in a band. Most Soldiers just spend their downtime drinking and playing Xbox. Any music they listen to is likely pop, or very obscure artists.
When I'm in the music store, I play stuff like Black Sabbath, Alice in Chains, Mad Season or older Metallica.
My own personal writing, coming from a hair metal background, is leaning towards an industrial punk/Grunge fusion, oddly enough.
Thank the goddess for Hee Haw. Cuz we got John 5.
Tie Your Mother Down by Queen is still a forbidden riff in the Red Special community. 😅
Recovering from the Vid but on the upside, be careful
I think we've been in a period of mediocrity thats about to give way to some truly awesome music. I feel like young kids now aren't buying into the same bullshit their parents did, or at least I hope not... because we've seen what's happened to art and free thinking in the last few generations, it's been dying a slow and gruesome death but I don't think you can ever really kill the human spirit, so its finding new roots with younger people that are hungry for another revolution!
That truly awesome music you're talking about is being produced by Mothers Cake. Best new(er) band I've heard in the last decade. They're phenomenal. Check em out!
MA BARKER STILL PLAYS UH TURTLES. GOBLESS. DEELERS BACK IN TOWN
Ha, that's funny, we used to meld Stairway and Watchtower too.
So did you play Watchtower in A or Stairway in C?
Connect them with the Stairway solo...same scale@@randysguitarattic
The greats have their place as groundbreakers. To feel they're the pinnacle, is silly, nothing starts that way. It becomes that way later. Some where so advanced they still sit in rotations on my listening lists, but most are so basic after year 3 of guitar and pursuing the best you can be, the absolute best, you cannot sit in the 50's 60's 70's, and expect to be the best possible musician imo.
You wil be a good one though, so I see why so many sit there in music history, but I feel that music went even further one decade later, despite the spandex and makeup. I feel music complexity went full chaos in the 80's, and to me, if you wanna get stuck somewhere, get stuck there. More people will enjoy that today. 20 yrs ago, you'd be wiser to go back to 50's 60's and 70's, but today, most people have never heard it, or, are so used to hearing it, they may have a negative reaction to it. It happens, things fall to antiquity, all things, given time.
"Nothing starts that way" - Fender telecaster has entered the chat
Of course not. That’s old shit. That’s like teenage me going into a guitar store in 1980 and playing some Wes Montgomery, Johnny Smith or Kenny Burrell tune from the 50’s. Forbidden tunes now should be from the 90’s or later.
That’s the type of name dropping I like.
While I don’t really “riff” out at music stores, I don’t have time to learn songs exactly how they were played originally. I’ve found no one cares about your solo or how close it is. It’s the general sound and the vocals they pay attention to. I can skip a solo and no one would notice. Being in a part time (bar band) people just want to dance and drink. S long as the band as a whole sounds good, no one idealizes the guitar player anymore. Since I only have a few hours a week to prepare for a gig or rehearsal, I can’t spend hours dedicated to learning a solo note for note.
PLAY FREEBIRD!!
Don't leave out Jeff Beck.
I like cat videos 😊
Jonathon looks un-Jonathan like with the beard trim but I bet it still weighs more than Baxter.
I agree, maybe I'll write a punk song. Maybe: I fought the paw patrol, but paws won.
Is this permission to play Enter Sandman or I Believe in a Thing Called Love when testing out gear at Guitar Center?
Well, Forbidden just reunited with a new singer, soooo…. Wait, what?
If you've put in the hours, days and years to learn to play an instrument go and write you're own stuff. Don't riff on the past, the past was a blast and it disappeared fast 💥
People need to grow balls and play Stairway in the guitar shops.
Smoke On the Water used to be the go to riff for getting stink-eye from the staff.
I see that booze bottle in the bottom stage right of the screen
Kids today have to check round the guitar shop to make sure no one is filming themselves for social media. Don't want to launch into Hotal California and some poor sod loses their CZcams channel for a strike!
If one station was playing stairway to heaven, and the station at the other end of the dial in HD FM was playing highway to hell. What station would you choose?😆
You'll never hear anyone playing Shawn Lane or Roy Marchbank at any music store...
You guys hardly, if ever, mention Diango Reinhardt or Esteban.
Led Zepp!!
slide renaissance? contradiction in terms.
I think them damn shoe gazing kids need to get off my lawn!
u mean fro got en rips
Dad Rock is only popular with Boomers. There are other genres of music to play on guitar outside of overplayed stereotypes.
When you were listing the greats, you only mentioned Hendrix once. I'm sure this was an inadvertent omission, though.
The music industry is over. There is now just a dying instrument industry that is trying to sell its products.
I think you underestimate the power of rock bands. I just bought a slayer Xmas ugly sweater 😂😂😂😂
Individuality matters. I don’t want to solo exactly like Page, Clapton, Livgren, any of them. Love the songs but why play 100% like the original unless you need to for work. Eddie didn’t play like Greg who didn’t play like Joe who didn’t play like Jimmy. Let us be individuals that appreciate all the old stuff.
Someone started playing smoke on the water during band practice and I felt so much cringe that I tried to top it with sweet child o' mine. I felt dirty and needed a cold shower.
Guys, I don't think streaming accessibility means that we are living in a "golden age" of music. Perhaps a golden age of technology, but not music. And even then, I have so much music on my 2010 160GB iPod that isn't on streaming providers because it's a super deep cut OR just because of licensing nonsense. This is a shitty age for music. It's all surface level nonsense that young people are getting attracted to and if they try to dig a bit deeper, their sensibilities about something needing to be good and exciting in .00005 seconds takes over and if it's not, PEACE OUT.
I've been an old guy yelling at clouds since I knew what I liked in music as a 3 year old kid discovering the Beatles with his dad - in 1982. It was already old. The Beatles were no longer new. John had been murdered and they weren't able to come back. I love old music. And while I do think there is still an attraction to older music and certainly to all the players you mentioned, we have a HUGE CZcams problem - looking at you Marty Schwartz. People roll the red carpet out for that guy as if he himself is Eric Clapton. I don't get it. His dumbed-down way of talking about songs has to be some of the most vile CZcams c0nTeNt ever created. It's certainly the responsibility of the players and observers of his channel to further the rock down the road and learn these songs "the right way", but his way of teaching gives folks this odd behavior where they think just good enough is enough. It's awful.
Then we have guitar acrobats that aren't really trying to create anything with emotion, just physical dexterity. I appreciate the work it takes to get there. It's NOT easy. I get that, but does all that work translate into something that can be played over a song? Will that make the song better? Are you just doing that type of guitar work to piss every singer on the planet off because you know that's happening?
I had to pull back from the classic rock guys because it DID finally get boring and I'm going to blame a combination of FM radio programmers and CZcams c0nTeNt creators. So I roll with Robben Ford these days. Gov't Mule/Warren Haynes. Eric Johnson (when not singing). These are lyrical players that can play their asses off, but fit into the context of a song with other musicians that maybe don't just need a 2 hour spotlight. They can all obviously play and we know that. I want to hear how they handle fitting into a song.
TL;DR - Marty Schwartz is a bum.
No, you're a bum.
Guitar Stores are at fault. You guys banned all the riffs from all the greats. Now we have to listen to Lil Wayne instead of Gilmore🤣🤘
Gawd what is wrong with you two.
Buy Deep Purple’s Machine Head, play it from the start and come back to me. Yes side 1 (vinyl records) is prefer to side 2 but if you don’t like side 1 of this even now?
Walk away from guitar for ever coz you’re not worthy.
Cheers from NZ sitting here with my Uber rare Sun Dew Gold Ibanez Pia on my lap watching YT vids instead of the Pia hanging on a wall never being played.
Peter