TLDR: T16 can make tons of currency, scarabs can be used for profit AND fun in T16, and loot isn't dead. There are many problems in the game, but pretending that "loot, scarabs, and T16 are dead" is just plain wrong. Mechanics that don't have specific loot rewards need to be buffed, that does not mean loot is dead and your doomed to be poor. Watch the video before commenting or you're just as bad as brainless upvotes.
Example of "the loudest in the room is often the dumbest" ... sadly because computer/game nerds (like we are just be honest to yourself with the time you invest into this hobby) used to be people with a different kind of mindset and attitude. Im a boomer though, so my opinion might be romanticised ... Still i cant accept this whiney attitude when things turn out hard and require you to humble urself stfu and learn
What you have to think of though is the people who pick the first 3 fun mechanics they enjoy, and proceed to get no loot from, just because they "picked the wrong mechanic with no specific loot". All content should be similarly rewarding
@@essirtyIdk what are those three mechanics? Pretty much everything has tile loot except for natural monsters, I can't even think of such a mechanic off the top of my head
@@Magebloodi made a tree with blight and essences. Bought those essence scarabs, grinded for 2 days and was able to gear my gf and mine ice nova chars for t16s. We chill fuck around and go upgrade by upgrade till we can do t17 or whatever goal we set our mind to. Really not rocket science just stick to a plan for 2 days, and learn to be smarter about looking for items. Just alone from some boss rush tree i looked up on youtube i made currency while getting to my 4th watchstone selling off the double fragments and maven writs from the ingame currency shop.(i was never "rushing" i chilled and full clearded the maps took my time with the essences and still u get consistent drops from the atlas tree, maybe not 6div/hour but its progress) Just use what ur given/ask ur more experienced friends for tips how you should go about things
100%, you no longer need to build up map supplies to avoid bulk selling low amounts. You just run a map with essence, and instant sell on AH it's so OP
No way it's OP @@TripolarBearit's a breath of fresh air. No need to set aside 30mins to buy currency from people who AFK after listing their damn prices
The best way I've had it explained to me was - I've had apps for years tell me I have 20ex/div in my stash but its just not worth the hassle to sell it all. Now I can sell small quantities of things to get myself currency. First league in a long time I've had more than enough currency to do what I wanted to, actually buying Divs to buy larger upgrades or crafting. Best thing to ever happen to PoE.
Remember - a lot of complaints are in bad faith. I'm constantly reminded of the introduction of Fracturing Orbs. There was a HUGE buyout of fracturing orbs on day 2 or 3 of the league, and someone posted a massively upvoted thread just minutes after the buyout finished that they'd run 1000 Harbinger maps in Standard and that fracture shards were as rare as mirror shards. The post was made for two reasons - to cash out on the fracture pump and dump, and to buy up Harbinger scarabs and sextants (remember those?) on the cheap. It worked, so it gets done over and over. Same thing got done with Breach post rework. Buyup of breachstones, flagrant lies in a post, then resale of breachstones and a buyup of breach scarabs afterwards. Reminds me of when I played EVE Online (and used to do this sort of thing there)
@@solcabooseguy5494 in outright PVP games like EVE it's honestly hilarious but in games that are PVE except for real-loss PVP in trade, it's much less enjoyable.
How? Do you run essences? I can't even sustain my singular focus map in a healthy way because the drops are so shit. Just ran a 300 quant, 72% pack size today that neighbors my favorited map (all slots) and I didn't drop a single one. Mapping just feels so bad unless I get lucky drops.
@@ThundraBoy666that happened to Me also, then I ran another map, and dropped 5 of my favorited maps. It’s just rng, the best players are rich because they do the same thing as us but faster and more efficient. Destructive play maven rushing and essences have made me the most currency so far
@@nickcameron9610 well, in the past I couldn't even place both my favored maps in stash simply because I was dropping so many. In this league I had 2-3 of the main map I was running at any point, which made me scared of vaaling and bricking them, reducing the amount even further. And that's one of the other things that irk me, essences EVERY.FUCKING.LEAGUE. And it's not that I struggle with currency making that bad, I quit the league today because the gameplay is just too unsatisfying/boring currently, to me. Had 150 divs in my stash, another 50ish in my build, another 50ish in scarabs and runes. I just bought 2 apothecaries and burned them in harvest.
The auction house is easily the biggest game changer GGG has implemented in my time with the game since I started in Sentinel. I used to never want to do smaller transactions because the amount of effort I'd have to go to to complete it on the trade site felt not worth it. Now all I have to do is click "I want", "I have", "place order", and the transaction is done in seconds. I had no idea how much currency I was leaving on the table early on in a league until now.
I always knew I had 10s of divs worth of smaller stuff sitting around, I just could never be arsed to actually do it. Even doing those bulk sells were a PITA, and felt bad because you always had to sell at a discount. So much nicer now.
reddit and X. Most cancer things in gaming comunity. But there is some probleme on GOLD drop. And drop overall, and you need to be blind to not see it.
Well idk ran 400 apo Maps I think div cards are hard nerfed. Not only because no apo dropping but generally even the smaller cards are not dropping. Ground loot is in a bad spot imo. Forced loot like essences, altars or expedition is obv working. t16 are not dead but I think t17 are cancerous to the game.
I've been running legion with delirium and beyond monsters just doing alch and go using 0 scarabs. Dropped 6 divines and 2 valdo boxes within a few hours on ashen wood and dunes t16 maps. Moving on to a new character now that I've got currency and living it up with hexblast mines. Truly a reddit moment.
Ground loot does seem dead. I usually try cramming the most mobs I can into a map and just farming generic drops as an alch & go strat. This is usually quite viable from past experiences but this is the first time I can't even walk away from a T16 jungle valley with 20c in profit. Try it for yourself and allocate: Beyond + Ritual + Domination + Perma Delirium + Eldrich altars and run the map with Domination on the map device. Raw drops will be abysmal. I've even tried adding: - scarab of haemophilia x2 - scarab of monstrous lineage - scarab of the invasion - scarab of adversaries I'm barely getting back the cost of the scarabs and they are 15c total. You can run some of these maps and not get a single chaos orb to drop. Harvest is usually a safe farm but this league a scarab of doubling is 15c (last league it was 5c) which cuts pretty heavily into the profits. At least Rog is incredibly pog with the scarcity of crafting mats.
@@GE_Photon_LordHarvest T16 is trash because of the Doubling price indeed, tried and putted on paper, I barely got any profit (counting vivids only and using crop rotation from 40 maps)
@@runiihYour mistake was that you used crop rotation. Crop rotation is only good if you're target farming one plant because its value is significantly higher than the other two. This has been the case since affliction league and to my knowledge it hasn't changed.
They don't get any pushback because most of the people that enjoy the game have left the poe subreddit a long time ago when everyone was yelling about how HH and MB was ruining the game for everyone.
I'm building a character worth 200+ divines right now, and my primary farming strat was rogue exiles/torment/delirium in t16s. The strat is to spawn as many unique monsters in the map (up to 50 rogue exiles in a map) with anarchy and titanic scarabs (which are dirt cheap) and loot 6-8 scarabs per map with Significant Troves and other scarab nodes on the tree. Don't tell me you can't make money in this game holyyy
my experience this league has been that league-specific mechs are nerfed to the point of not really being the majority of currency generation unless you heavily invest into them with all the scarabs (which then creates the question if its worth doing this in non-t17's, considering scarab prices just keep rising higher). HOWEVER the base mapping still generates currency -> altars, scarabs and t17 drops. hence the popularity of "alch and go" this league. And i see more and more people outright building their atlas around this, basically just stacking quantity, map effect and scarab drops rather than investing into a specific league mechanic. personally i've been experimenting with low-investment strats like that and it's been working well, sitting on like 200div.
Yeah, the result from what I try is the same as well. No matter how much invest into the league-specific content strats I do, it's always have the same profit as alch&go, unless I all-in into it.
every profitable strategy scarab is priced for T17 and yes you can get "rich" by farming them instead - only reasonably priced scarabs are for stuff that would be waste of time to run in T17
I had this argument with some friends in Discord about this, they said that you're priced out of farming T16 maps with certain scarabs because they are based off the T17 price but I tried to explain that just isn't true for the majority of scarabs. And while yes, there are some strats like the scarab printing one that are T17 exclusive, most farms can be done in T16 and still make a lot of money too. The goalpost ended up getting moved so far that the conclusion was, "it's not fair that you can make so much more money doing it in a T17 compared to a T16" it feels like there is no winning. That comment from NinaNina is one of the most apt summaries of how Reddit operates that I've ever read. 10/10
This is the problem I'm talking about. Your friends thought this because they read multiple 1k+ upvoted threads on reddit saying exactly what they told you. "We're priced out of farming T16 with the majority of scarabs".
Ironically it's the first league I have fun using scarabs and I didn't even touch T17s. 6 div in 3 maps with ambush scarabs - I don't know if I was just lucky but time will surely tell. Just have fun playing and trying out different strats - with 3 atlas trees it's possible to fool around a bit and find your own way of printing currency.
Was in the same boat as these people, mad that I couldn't play enough because of work, FOMO , strats and scarabs getting pricier overnight and me losing investments on farms I thought were gonna be this insane thing but thought they got useless now that more people knew about them and took advantage , so I'd keep switching between them and being mad the game wasn't going well like it was for others. But I took a step back, chilled a bit, patience and I'm getting there! AH is so HUGE for me, instantly turn to C everything, seeing my actual progress so I improve faster, less sitting uselessly in the hideout just spamming t16s with altars and not even realising im making a bunch of currency from small things. I'm finally making currency. Best league I've had so far, because I learned a lot (every advice from the video is true, thanks so much bro) Huge W tri
Been waiting for someone to talk about essences because they are actually insane div/hour with the correct scarab combination. There is a reason calcifications are 70c. At this point I wouldn't mind the farm becoming popular so I have less reason to do it
I'm not a good player, I'm not a fast player. I ran 9 T16s with Bestiary last night using Bestiary Scarab of the Herd, Bestiary Scarab of Duplicating, and a couple other random scarabs that didn't do much just for the sake of the "complete maps with 4 scarabs" challenge. None of the Bestiary scarabs cost more than 2c. In those 9 maps, accounting for the duplicating, I found 2 Black Morrigans, 4 vivid vultures, 6 craicic chimerals, and a few other beasts worth 4-10c each. I sold 200 yellow beasts for 4 divines. I made almost 20 divines out of those 9 maps from about 20c worth of scarabs. And even at my slow pace, it probably only took me an hour or two to do those 9 maps. You don't need to use expensive scarabs to profit.
Yeah I hate this as well, I had a lot of arguments on reddit as well last league arguing with people who claimed that the only thing you could do to make currency was t17's while I was making even more mirrors than I did in affliction while barely touching t17's, last league had plenty of strats to make currency and this league it's even better.
In affliction I made over 1500 divines doing super chill uber boss farming on a penance brand build. Almost every boss made me 1 div in guaranteed loot or high drop rate loot worth multiple divines like forbidden gems or maven drops. People all league said bossing was dead because affliction juice was fhe only thing to do. I made 20 to 30 divs an hour experimenting with delve, bossing, boss rushing, and essence farming due to simple supply and demand. Anything that couldn't be formed in affliction juice was massively over priced due to low supply. The economy is self balancing. Nobody seems to understand that on reddit. Despite showing tons of data that almost every boss was around 20 divs per hour in guaranteed profit, people still claimed the only way to make money was mf tornado shot in burial chamber with 10000 affliction juice and abyss.
I bought a Mageblood for 250d. I currently have 45d after that. I have only cleared 3 t17s. I'm a jungle valley stan, ~400 ish maps complete. I spend about 15/20c per map. People just jump on the doomsday train instead of being in game making currency. That's why they're broke.
Just did an experiment: I bought 7 harvest scarabs of doubling in T16s for 13c*7=91c. I alch + vaaled them all. I also spend around 25c on a few bisection and stability scarabs for the harder maps as well as (sacrifice) fragments to raise item quantity and the vaal orbs+achy orbs. The total profit of all juices I sold(for suggested AH price instantly) was 349c, half of this comes from the doubling scarabs. 349/2=174c. profit from each 13c scarab is ((174-25c)/7)-13=8.3c! Because my +quantity stuff also boosted the other half am I actually underestimating the profit from each scarab. Note that harvest scarabs of doubling can make mobs tanky, especially unique ones. My 3mil DPS is probably a minimum.
i appreciate you so much for your videos. finally someone is going against the constant tide of negativity in online echo chambers. its refreshing and very needed. especially right now.
I’ve made 90% of my currency selling scarabs in previous leagues I would not have bothered trading them but it’s so easy now this is the furthest I’ve ever made it in a league
I'm one of those people who believed Reddit until I got into T16's and realised that it's fine. I've been farming Stacked Decks/Maps in T16's and I make good money. Still kinda new to the game (4th league). I do believe that T17's are far too lucrative, however and need to be toned down a bit.
The people who complain about no loot are the same people who already rerolled 5 times, tried LS, archmage, hexblast and asking for a good build recommendation because everything sucks
I had to leave on a trip after first 5 days, was my first time on reddit. I was like wtf. I left with a ~250div char and 300 raw divines 500 div wealthy exile evaluation. How exactly is loot dead? I was spamming rogue exiles in t16 the day before i left and had to use 2 portals for loot almost every map. That's with an uber strict filter and picking up 0 rares.
Not to sound rude, but people farming T17s don't even look at stacked decks. This comment really is a kind of "you don't know what you don't know." A T17 map and scarabs that people running is easily 2+ div with scarabs included on the low end. 100c just for the map. Their map alone is worth ~70 stack decks...
If everything is priced around the T17, FARM And SELL T17 MAPS. Reddit does this every league. LITERALLY every league. Thanks for this kind of video. We need to let players know NOT take these reddit post seriously so their circle jerk of negativity doesnt get to this point.
I did try to reason with people on reddit multiple times. Provided data how i farmed 100d in t16s over 3 days. Linked to vids by streamers.usually just got silently downvoted. Thank for the vid. Was time someone bigger said it.
It's kinda crazy how accurate the auction house post was. When I was first introduced to the game by my friends 2 years ago, I remember being extremely overwhelmed by the idea of trading items with other players. It honestly left a bad taste in my mouth how much currency I wasn't making because I wasn't savvy with trading. Since then, I barely ever touched the game again, and whenever I did play, I wouldn't progress very far. This league, I finally caved in to my friends again, and it has been a blast. The auction house has put so much power in my hands that I didn't realize I had, and I have progressed the furthest I have ever gotten.
Its always the same story at league start. People still have the gameplay in their heads of last league when they were blasting with a decent build. Now we all have to start over, but somewhere along the lines people seem to forget this lol. Been doing fine currency wise, but did get a few big drops in the last week (1x apothecary and awake multi proj). I mean you can literally make currency, while sleeping, with the boats. What do people want more? Appreciate the video, this is really needed👍
Man people are crazy I have been farming harvest with crop rotation and legion in T16's with little to no scarabs and making 2-5 div a hour and that's just in juice not including all the scarabs, emblems, incubators, etc.
If you have 5 div after an hour, invest a few into scarabs. Then you will, on average, make about 2 to 4 div per map minimum for a net positive. You don't even have to go alters. T16 guardian maps are fine if you buy one in bulk and then reroll them for full sets. sell the fragments, farm maven writs, get 2 to 4 div from a single harvest on average.
Additionally, you could chuck all your influenced bases in a dump tab to sell. However, in my opinion, this and actually doing shaper and elder from this strat is highly inefficient compared to doing the harvest, killing the boss, and leaving.
Ran a 10k (blue, yellow, and purple) T16 wild wood map and got 2 chaos. I agree overall loot this league is fine, and but WW was my favorite mechanic and they completely killed it. Its like they brought my best friend back from the dead but he is a lobotomized zombie who just hurts me. I would have rather my friend stay dead than his memory be ruined. Same thing with recombs.
The only time i enter in t17 is to take my slot device, since i finish the atlas i farm rogue with titanic and finished my end game build and now leveling another character to do the same thing 🤷🏻♂️
I have about 125d invested into my Archmage as of today. I have not stepped foot into a T17. None of my Atlas trees invest into increased effect. I sell most of my scarabs. I don't buy scarabs. I swap between Harvest, Blight, Essences, Legion, Harby, Jun, Abyss and Breach. Loot is fucking fine.
Made 30 Div today running Rogue Exiles/Ritual strat in T16's, so many methods to just print money in T16's I can't understand the hype with T17's, but while the hypes there it's easy money just to sell them :D
Redditors are a crowd of hyper-casual bandwagoners for the most part, I experienced this personally when they circlejerked a hate thread about me accusing me of RMTing a 5 link. What I find so odd is that a lot of these criticisms were actually valid on the first few days of the league when scarabs were so scarce that they were being priced at T17 levels, yet here we are all this time later, scarabs are obviously not being priced that way anymore. Day 2 & 3 they were 10-15 legion scarabs per Div, currently they are 75 per Div. These people don't actually play the game, they are the same crowd of people that never liquidate currency and then say "How did you buy a mageblood? I only got 6 divines ALL league!!!!!" I'm glad you're taking the time to make these videos, so much valid criticism of 3.24/3.25 systems is being drowned out by ridiculous exaggerations, hyperbole or flat out lies and I imagine it's pretty difficult for GGG to take any criticism seriously when you have people legitimately claiming 75 legion scarabs per Div is T17 rates, and don't even start me on the weird Sanctum circlejerk, for 99% of builds its lower per hour than T16 maps but all you gotta do is flash a stack of 35 divines you accrued from a week of sanctum farming and suddenly you're the top comment on a hate thread.
I ran like 40 yelllow blights and have gotten like 3 raw div, not to mention the normal blights found in maps have an atlas to turn towers to chests and to be openable again like 2 divs from those. Though the best I've gotten is opalescent oils in normal blights and 1 golden from maps. So far I can only safely run t11 blighted but need t13 for prismatic oils ( I ran like 2 and no prismatic oils for me :( )
I think the problem is not "T16 being dead" but more like "I cannot do 10d/h on random variety non-profitable farm strats while Mr. Streamer drops multiple T0 on his 3 minute video clips"
One thing i noticed and maybe it was just a feeling but normal map monsters without alters don't drop much of anything, i was speed running heist contracts while doing maven without killing the map boss and had to switch to alters cuz i was getting no map sustain, this was with 4 watchstones and full map/quant nodes. It might have just been bad luck but i think if you don't have any real mechanics in your map shit does not drop.
There's a growing subset of the community that wants everything handed tgo them. They don't understand that what makes a video game entertaining is the challenge. These people look for excuses as to why they're bad at the game, and bandwagon on to whatever negative feedback they're exposed to. I think it's be a lot better for all of us to ignore these complaints, and maybe eventually we'll see them go away from our game that we enjoy. Maybe we can just give them poe 1 when poe 2 gets here, because 2 is going to eat them alive.
Its without a doubt that This league is the best that Ive played. The auction house made that we can get any currency for the price of another instanteneuos. Serious that by itself is the most powerful thing
Once I started tracking my profit, my fears disappeared. I didn't have much going in but it is always a good idea just to double check that what you are doing is worth while. Question about the idea of 'pushback'. In all my attempts, pushback just get downvoted and hidden, so even if people want to push back, it doesn't have an effect. Makes me want to stop trying.
I dont quite understand what the issue of "pricing scarabs" is. The prices are made by "the market", right? So that means supply and demand. Also, of course, anyone "running a scarab" would probably evaluate if it is worth the investment, i.e. do I get more out of my maps than what I have to invest into scarabs? If yes, the scarab is worth running. If no, the scarab is worth selling. Either way you can make profit of scarabs, no matter your skill level, so... there is that I guess 🤷♂️
I actually dont know how you get to T16s and dont make steady income iv never done a T17, havent done ubers, work a normal job during the day and still make more then enough divs in a few hours a day play. I genuinely think alot of people dont understand whats valued or how to make an atlas tree
This is a real take, not just on this community, but society as a whole. Everyone these days is whining and complaining, but not willing to put in the time and work to make it. We've fallen so far in terms of self accountability, work ethic, determination, perseverance, and can do attitude. Those things are all be gone from youth today. RIP NA in about 15 more years.
The t17's are harder than ubers is something that Ziz mentioned offhand in a recent video. It might have been closer to "t17s feel harder than they should as a 'bridge' towards uber content" but a sentiment in this vein was expressed.
Honestly, I am taking this league slow as fuck, since I can't stomach the combined heat of summer and PC. My strat at the moment, since I am not even properly in yellow maps, is Expedition, Blight, Alva + Essences. It is good enough to get me into a T17 ready build very soon. There is no reason to hurry, just have fun ffs. The game is fine.
I think some people are simply not aware of how much of a difference there is between themselves and the top players, or even most players. They see a lucky mageblood or someone with finished build in week 1 and think that's where they should be too. I would love to see the /kills on some of these players complaining.
on my league starter i just couldnt get forward, then i watched a video, slapped on a legion atlas tree (didnt try that mechanic really before), invested some more alcs and scouring orbs into maps with more mods, and stopped picking up anything but currency and fragments. I made like 40 div by that in 1 day with t16 maps
I think one of the issues most players have is that they dont even understand what 5Div/hr looks like. Its not literally 5 Divines, its 5 Div in random junk u then have to sell and most players don't want to do that last part!
Just like YELP reviews, the only people who bother writing shit are the ones who had a bad experience. If you’re having a good experience, you just keep playing. Any forum or site based on “reviews” or feedback is always gonna be overwhelmingly negative.
I can see both view points. I absolutly feel the loot got worse when using alch and go in addition to using the craft from the map device and some atlas points. Sure you can "force" rewards with some mechanics like essence and strongboxes with their scarabs. But it's an investment you have to commit to first. For me personnaly I feel bad commiting until I have most of my atlas points.
Shhh I've been running Harvest scarabs in t16 and making a shit ton of divs. Ngl I need to confess, I might have upvoted some of the doomer t16 posts so that people don't run those strats so that I can farm more currencies
Ever since Harvest (and honestly probably before that too) the subreddit has been just an absolutely vile cesspit of the worst takes you'll ever see from people who accuse GGG of not even playing their own game while simultaneously making stupid posts like this. Also keep in mind majority of the "community" on any big subreddit is actually a very small portion of hyper-active posters, they're the first to posts in /new and they decide what the "community" thinks. The actual majority is just playing the game and has no idea any of this "drama" ever happens. Maybe bit less so with how popular TFT is, but I digress.
People go to the subreddit to be miserable, it feels good for some people. You aren't gonna fix their mindset because they're playing a different game.
The 4:45 about blight maps. I would honestly not be surprised if the guy talked about map with blight mechanic on it and not an actual blighted map. Some people are just clowning this league.
Excellent video. There are a FEW strats for T17 only but almost everything else is fine. I’ve been doing 8 mod, deli, harbi, beyond. Not cheap to run and i still make enough. The t17 map rolling is terrible so I avoid it. Bought a run to get my slot unlocked.
I bet that guy who pulled out the "if you want to be an irrational actor in the market and play for fun, you can't afford to" felt so smart about himself. So confidently incorrect.
Im pretty sure that guy is probably thinking or playing with a thought like, “if you want to spec all of your atlas points into Kirac missions, synthesized maps, and maven, but use ambush scarabs and a few harbinger scarabs, you won’t be able to afford to.” His logic might as well just be “If you want to be an irrational actor and use divine orbs on your maps, you won’t be able to afford to.” He’s not technically wrong, but the message he’s conveying is so incredibly asinine lol
A secret that game devs know very well is that the truth does not matter. If the player base feels a certain way they need to change their perception with a patch.
Honestly a huge part of the "no pushback" problem is also the community. I posted a somewhat long very in-depth op-ed on why last league's t17 and b2b needed to be removed as it was toxic and game ruining as a whole. I was downvoted and got barely any comments even with 10k+views on the post. Yet GGG's notes on changing t17 and removing b2b almost perfectly mirrored everything I said in my post. So even when you try to give valid critiques and provide thorough evidence, the community on reddit will downvote you and call you bad at the game so why even bother interacting in a meaningful way if you get punished/made fun of for it. In kalandra league I posted (on week 1) an extremely in-depth analysis proving mathematically that something like 6 of the 9 league mechanics that the lake had did not scale at all with tile depth like it should have. I was literally -20+ downvotes with dozens of comments telling me I was stupid and wrong and it worked fine it was just a skill issue. 2 months later GGG puts out a patch to fix the fact that those 6 league mechanics were not scaling at all with tile depth exactly like I said on week 1. It's just ridiculous trying to be genuine on reddit these days. That's why this ridiculous doomer mentality is so strong over there.
"Scarabs will lose you currency" How in the world can anyone say that? They did two leagues back to back where much of the base game loot got moved to scarabs. One was to "balance"}}} around the scarabs and this league seemed to just nuke the base game loot entirely. Scarabs are where almost all of the loot / currency is. I don't know how someone could even claim that. That's actually a big complaint I have with the game right now is how the game seems to be going more and more towards scarabs. There is no loot _IF_ you willingly choose not to use scarabs. That is legitimately annoying. To say there is no loot is objectively wrong. It's just there is no loot if you are actively avoiding systems to interact with in an alch and go style. Even then it's not like a barren wasteland as long as you've progressed your atlas and watchstones like you should be doing anyways. You can always farm maps. You can always farm altars. All of the boss nodes at the top of the tree have always worked since they've been there. I've been doing expedition since the start and did the same last league and the league before. It's pretty underwhelming without scarabs but the moment you put scarabs on - it just shoots to the moon how much you make from it. You have to actively go out of your way to not make currency in this game and it has always been that way since the whole Conqueror system was put in the game and especially the Atlas tree. I just wish the game wasn't like 60-80% scarabs now. I want the base game loot to be good and then scarabs to boost that up like how it used to be. The loot is not all in T17's and Sanctum - they are in scarabs. You use scarabs with at least some strategy - you're havin a good time. Something I feel would massively improve the game is having an actual way to target farm scarabs on the atlas tree. I would like a 100% more node for all of the mechanics while also still being able to block.
People have been saying this for almost 7 years. "Sextants make you lose currency" "you're lucky if you get a map return" "juice isnt worth it" It's all so disingenuous when you can literally run a 50c map and easily pull out over 100c in purely gumball currency at 100% consistency.
@@Sammysapphira And sextants were priced around T16s. An easy way to see this is to take it to the extreme. Can you make money running T1s at the current cost of scarabs? No? Why? Scarab prices directly increase with the tier of the maps available because of the returns. Scarabs weren't priced around T1 maps when T16 maps were available. Why would T17s be any different?
@@Sammysapphira except right now its true because if you try to run T16 map with juice priced for expected T-17 return you WILL lose out ... there either need to be specific separate T17 scarabs so T16 maps can have reasonably priced ones to run OR T17s should be prevented from using fragments altogether when a single scarab can run you 60-80 chaos per piece there is no reasonable way to make them profitable for T16s ...
the biggest issue of people posting on reddit is that they dont post their credentials, yet we take all their posts as fact. we need to normalize posting your acc info so we can evaluate how much we can pay attention to what you say.
I've completely sidestepped this whole ordeal by buying a priviate league to play GroupSF with a few friends. None of this doomer economy matters to us, we've been in high yellows for the last week and have been having a blast.
I tried a lot of things this league. Early currency VAAL temple (0c investment), beasts (0c), Jun (1c per map for scarab) with destructive play and it was a slow grind. Hovewer now I can easily farm legion with all the upgrades I got. I wouldn't even have to do t16. The earlier starts work in white T1-T10 maps. As you mentioned some strats need investment, but that's always the case. Making money is the same as in the real world. Think how to do the most effective with your time
This is the first league that I have a multiple divine build. Its around 15 divine totem build and I never used scarabs, because I just like to map and chill, I just sold them to my bro faustus. This is the most currency I have ever got in any league, and I have been playing for a long time.
this is the first league i dont need to search for a ultra mega blaster currency farm with some specific atlas tree or something, after complete all maps and grab the points i just start opening my map tab seeing if i've like synteshis map or any guardian map to do for a invitation rotation + jun after the rotation i kill shaper (guaranteed some chaos in uber elder frag), and restart again, when i run out of guardian maps, i just choose a random T14/15/16 (prefer one with a big money easy card like fortunate or some big big money card with a rare drop if i'm confident) just put the map with blue altar because i'm confident in that altar will be divine altar (not got a single one in league) with map device strongbox, run map, got blue stones to spend all in my gear because i dont buy these because we drop this easily and no big card drop or random divines, maybe i drop some guardian map and all of these with scarab drop disabled because i use essence, strongbox, jun, guardian maps and ritual nodes so i need the 20 points from Uwavering Vision. back to HO spend my 13 alterations in a 8 passives cluster until got something to sell and really got it (feed the fury, fuel the fight, martial prowess) easy 3 div, pick another one because now i'm confident again and spend all my juice rerolling in harvest until something come (nothing come). AFTER ALL that i restart the process for a week, when saturday come i have 25/40 div in stash, leveling another character in the end of week and repeat for another week the same process until i got 4 or 5 characters and the league die for me
yea I was really shocked watching zizzaran's league update video where he said scarabs are priced for t17's and t16's were losing you money. I've been making tons of divines with harvest on t16's this week and sure t17 would make me more but no way is t16 dead. only issue ive had is gold and i think everyone is talking about that. this is my 2nd league and its already way better than necropolis, loving the game so far
To help with gold get a bit of rarity in your build. Use a gold flask, rarity support, or get some rarity on a ring or something, whatever you can do. You only need 1 to notice a large improvement, going crazy has diminishing returns. You can also run the synth maps or Wakawaka for good gold. You can also just put some of your people on idle, they don't take gold when not doing a job.
Was chilling running abyss, ritual or strongboxes first week and not only I had enough money to get my endgame build but for fun I bought progenesis and now I'm saving up for endgame flicker strike build and still manage to get consistent 15-20 div per session in T16 whit casual play...
5:00 keep in mind only a small proportion of your blighted map drops are t16. that guys point is actually valid i experienced it myself. stopped picking them up too. the high end expensive scarabs do appear to be priced around t17s too
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TLDR: T16 can make tons of currency, scarabs can be used for profit AND fun in T16, and loot isn't dead. There are many problems in the game, but pretending that "loot, scarabs, and T16 are dead" is just plain wrong. Mechanics that don't have specific loot rewards need to be buffed, that does not mean loot is dead and your doomed to be poor. Watch the video before commenting or you're just as bad as brainless upvotes.
Saw TPB video, mindlessly upvoted
Example of "the loudest in the room is often the dumbest" ... sadly because computer/game nerds (like we are just be honest to yourself with the time you invest into this hobby) used to be people with a different kind of mindset and attitude.
Im a boomer though, so my opinion might be romanticised ...
Still i cant accept this whiney attitude when things turn out hard and require you to humble urself stfu and learn
What you have to think of though is the people who pick the first 3 fun mechanics they enjoy, and proceed to get no loot from, just because they "picked the wrong mechanic with no specific loot". All content should be similarly rewarding
@@essirtyIdk what are those three mechanics? Pretty much everything has tile loot except for natural monsters, I can't even think of such a mechanic off the top of my head
@@Magebloodi made a tree with blight and essences. Bought those essence scarabs, grinded for 2 days and was able to gear my gf and mine ice nova chars for t16s. We chill fuck around and go upgrade by upgrade till we can do t17 or whatever goal we set our mind to.
Really not rocket science just stick to a plan for 2 days, and learn to be smarter about looking for items.
Just alone from some boss rush tree i looked up on youtube i made currency while getting to my 4th watchstone selling off the double fragments and maven writs from the ingame currency shop.(i was never "rushing" i chilled and full clearded the maps took my time with the essences and still u get consistent drops from the atlas tree, maybe not 6div/hour but its progress) Just use what ur given/ask ur more experienced friends for tips how you should go about things
Being able to sell essences and scarabs in bulk without leaving the game is the largest single buff to player power they’ve ever added to the game.
100%, you no longer need to build up map supplies to avoid bulk selling low amounts. You just run a map with essence, and instant sell on AH it's so OP
No way it's OP @@TripolarBearit's a breath of fresh air. No need to set aside 30mins to buy currency from people who AFK after listing their damn prices
The best way I've had it explained to me was - I've had apps for years tell me I have 20ex/div in my stash but its just not worth the hassle to sell it all. Now I can sell small quantities of things to get myself currency. First league in a long time I've had more than enough currency to do what I wanted to, actually buying Divs to buy larger upgrades or crafting. Best thing to ever happen to PoE.
Any tips for essences? I must be doing something wrong cuz atlas alone isn't enough for me with essences
@@davidmaltais2912get scarabs like he said to get more essences. You should read the essence guide on maxroll, it holds your hand.
Remember - a lot of complaints are in bad faith. I'm constantly reminded of the introduction of Fracturing Orbs. There was a HUGE buyout of fracturing orbs on day 2 or 3 of the league, and someone posted a massively upvoted thread just minutes after the buyout finished that they'd run 1000 Harbinger maps in Standard and that fracture shards were as rare as mirror shards.
The post was made for two reasons - to cash out on the fracture pump and dump, and to buy up Harbinger scarabs and sextants (remember those?) on the cheap. It worked, so it gets done over and over.
Same thing got done with Breach post rework. Buyup of breachstones, flagrant lies in a post, then resale of breachstones and a buyup of breach scarabs afterwards. Reminds me of when I played EVE Online (and used to do this sort of thing there)
Crazy how far people will go to make currency in a game.
@@solcabooseguy5494 in outright PVP games like EVE it's honestly hilarious but in games that are PVE except for real-loss PVP in trade, it's much less enjoyable.
Actually tearing up that you took the time to watch the video and listened to the whole point, be nice if the rest of the community did that too 😔
@@TripolarBear I actually got distracted 60% of the way through lol. So I haven't finished it yet
@@sirgog lol, as a scatter brain myself, I can relate
It's amazing how much currency I make when I stop faffing around and just run maps on repeat
@@greasefire11 "hideout is lava"
@@buzzhonky😂 true, but I certainly don't live by that credo.
How? Do you run essences? I can't even sustain my singular focus map in a healthy way because the drops are so shit. Just ran a 300 quant, 72% pack size today that neighbors my favorited map (all slots) and I didn't drop a single one. Mapping just feels so bad unless I get lucky drops.
@@ThundraBoy666that happened to Me also, then I ran another map, and dropped 5 of my favorited maps. It’s just rng, the best players are rich because they do the same thing as us but faster and more efficient. Destructive play maven rushing and essences have made me the most currency so far
@@nickcameron9610 well, in the past I couldn't even place both my favored maps in stash simply because I was dropping so many. In this league I had 2-3 of the main map I was running at any point, which made me scared of vaaling and bricking them, reducing the amount even further.
And that's one of the other things that irk me, essences EVERY.FUCKING.LEAGUE. And it's not that I struggle with currency making that bad, I quit the league today because the gameplay is just too unsatisfying/boring currently, to me. Had 150 divs in my stash, another 50ish in my build, another 50ish in scarabs and runes. I just bought 2 apothecaries and burned them in harvest.
The auction house is easily the biggest game changer GGG has implemented in my time with the game since I started in Sentinel. I used to never want to do smaller transactions because the amount of effort I'd have to go to to complete it on the trade site felt not worth it. Now all I have to do is click "I want", "I have", "place order", and the transaction is done in seconds. I had no idea how much currency I was leaving on the table early on in a league until now.
I always knew I had 10s of divs worth of smaller stuff sitting around, I just could never be arsed to actually do it. Even doing those bulk sells were a PITA, and felt bad because you always had to sell at a discount. So much nicer now.
Wait till reddit finds out that there are people blasting t16s in SSF! Where did their loot come from HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME?!?
Stay off Reddit is the most important advice.
reddit and X.
Most cancer things in gaming comunity.
But there is some probleme on GOLD drop. And drop overall, and you need to be blind to not see it.
good advice for anyone, really
Reddit is almost as bad as this channel.
Well idk ran 400 apo Maps I think div cards are hard nerfed. Not only because no apo dropping but generally even the smaller cards are not dropping. Ground loot is in a bad spot imo. Forced loot like essences, altars or expedition is obv working. t16 are not dead but I think t17 are cancerous to the game.
I've been running legion with delirium and beyond monsters just doing alch and go using 0 scarabs. Dropped 6 divines and 2 valdo boxes within a few hours on ashen wood and dunes t16 maps. Moving on to a new character now that I've got currency and living it up with hexblast mines. Truly a reddit moment.
I drop lots of scarabs, but then again I take most of the scarab passives on the atlas.
Yup i did fubgun one its kinda the same and dropped like 5d in one hour
Need to switch to Legion/Beyond with Deli, running Beasts on a Lightning Arrow character is just not doing it for me 🤣
Ground loot does seem dead. I usually try cramming the most mobs I can into a map and just farming generic drops as an alch & go strat. This is usually quite viable from past experiences but this is the first time I can't even walk away from a T16 jungle valley with 20c in profit.
Try it for yourself and allocate:
Beyond + Ritual + Domination + Perma Delirium + Eldrich altars
and run the map with Domination on the map device. Raw drops will be abysmal.
I've even tried adding:
- scarab of haemophilia x2
- scarab of monstrous lineage
- scarab of the invasion
- scarab of adversaries
I'm barely getting back the cost of the scarabs and they are 15c total. You can run some of these maps and not get a single chaos orb to drop.
Harvest is usually a safe farm but this league a scarab of doubling is 15c (last league it was 5c) which cuts pretty heavily into the profits.
At least Rog is incredibly pog with the scarcity of crafting mats.
@@GE_Photon_LordHarvest T16 is trash because of the Doubling price indeed, tried and putted on paper, I barely got any profit (counting vivids only and using crop rotation from 40 maps)
@runiih Then go blight. Take all the Atlas nodes, slot in the scarabs, and make at minimum, a few divines per couple t16 maps
If 15c is pricey, make some div, invest in the scarab, then make even more div. You eventually won't care about 15c a scarab
@@runiihYour mistake was that you used crop rotation. Crop rotation is only good if you're target farming one plant because its value is significantly higher than the other two. This has been the case since affliction league and to my knowledge it hasn't changed.
This. I swear people playing with crop rotation shouldnt have a opinion on harvest being profitable or not.@@Omenshaper
They don't get any pushback because most of the people that enjoy the game have left the poe subreddit a long time ago when everyone was yelling about how HH and MB was ruining the game for everyone.
Let them think this. Keeps my strats hot
I'm building a character worth 200+ divines right now, and my primary farming strat was rogue exiles/torment/delirium in t16s. The strat is to spawn as many unique monsters in the map (up to 50 rogue exiles in a map) with anarchy and titanic scarabs (which are dirt cheap) and loot 6-8 scarabs per map with Significant Troves and other scarab nodes on the tree. Don't tell me you can't make money in this game holyyy
my experience this league has been that league-specific mechs are nerfed to the point of not really being the majority of currency generation unless you heavily invest into them with all the scarabs (which then creates the question if its worth doing this in non-t17's, considering scarab prices just keep rising higher). HOWEVER the base mapping still generates currency -> altars, scarabs and t17 drops. hence the popularity of "alch and go" this league. And i see more and more people outright building their atlas around this, basically just stacking quantity, map effect and scarab drops rather than investing into a specific league mechanic. personally i've been experimenting with low-investment strats like that and it's been working well, sitting on like 200div.
Yeah, the result from what I try is the same as well. No matter how much invest into the league-specific content strats I do, it's always have the same profit as alch&go, unless I all-in into it.
If scarabs were priced for T17's we'd all be getting rich farming scarabs.
exactly but ur avg redditors brain is so fried and also.. they don't play the game so.. yeah
Redditors don't understand how economies work that's why most of them are socialists.
Where is the problem in this?
every profitable strategy scarab is priced for T17 and yes you can get "rich" by farming them instead - only reasonably priced scarabs are for stuff that would be waste of time to run in T17
@@Asghaad but first you need currency to upgrade your build to be able to handle them
I got a House of Mirrors last friday, geared up and went down to 10 divs, started farming t16 harvest and I'm back to 60 divs lmao
I had this argument with some friends in Discord about this, they said that you're priced out of farming T16 maps with certain scarabs because they are based off the T17 price but I tried to explain that just isn't true for the majority of scarabs. And while yes, there are some strats like the scarab printing one that are T17 exclusive, most farms can be done in T16 and still make a lot of money too. The goalpost ended up getting moved so far that the conclusion was, "it's not fair that you can make so much more money doing it in a T17 compared to a T16" it feels like there is no winning. That comment from NinaNina is one of the most apt summaries of how Reddit operates that I've ever read. 10/10
This is the problem I'm talking about. Your friends thought this because they read multiple 1k+ upvoted threads on reddit saying exactly what they told you. "We're priced out of farming T16 with the majority of scarabs".
Thanks, I will be taking 50% of this video's revenue thank you.
I'll be eagerly awaiting my 50 cents in the mail.
Ironically it's the first league I have fun using scarabs and I didn't even touch T17s. 6 div in 3 maps with ambush scarabs - I don't know if I was just lucky but time will surely tell.
Just have fun playing and trying out different strats - with 3 atlas trees it's possible to fool around a bit and find your own way of printing currency.
Was in the same boat as these people, mad that I couldn't play enough because of work, FOMO , strats and scarabs getting pricier overnight and me losing investments on farms I thought were gonna be this insane thing but thought they got useless now that more people knew about them and took advantage , so I'd keep switching between them and being mad the game wasn't going well like it was for others.
But I took a step back, chilled a bit, patience and I'm getting there! AH is so HUGE for me, instantly turn to C everything, seeing my actual progress so I improve faster, less sitting uselessly in the hideout just spamming t16s with altars and not even realising im making a bunch of currency from small things.
I'm finally making currency. Best league I've had so far, because I learned a lot (every advice from the video is true, thanks so much bro)
Huge W tri
blight is life , got the amulet yesterday 25 div richer.a few golden oil at 90 chaos each, and a few divine drops.its easy life for a blighter.
Been waiting for someone to talk about essences because they are actually insane div/hour with the correct scarab combination. There is a reason calcifications are 70c. At this point I wouldn't mind the farm becoming popular so I have less reason to do it
Having fun is the most important, i think people forget that while minmaxing hard in PoE
"Wash your hands of your weakness and poverty" is the most based thing I've heard in some time and made me pump my fist, great tough love my man
I'm not a good player, I'm not a fast player. I ran 9 T16s with Bestiary last night using Bestiary Scarab of the Herd, Bestiary Scarab of Duplicating, and a couple other random scarabs that didn't do much just for the sake of the "complete maps with 4 scarabs" challenge. None of the Bestiary scarabs cost more than 2c.
In those 9 maps, accounting for the duplicating, I found 2 Black Morrigans, 4 vivid vultures, 6 craicic chimerals, and a few other beasts worth 4-10c each. I sold 200 yellow beasts for 4 divines. I made almost 20 divines out of those 9 maps from about 20c worth of scarabs. And even at my slow pace, it probably only took me an hour or two to do those 9 maps.
You don't need to use expensive scarabs to profit.
Yeah I hate this as well, I had a lot of arguments on reddit as well last league arguing with people who claimed that the only thing you could do to make currency was t17's while I was making even more mirrors than I did in affliction while barely touching t17's, last league had plenty of strats to make currency and this league it's even better.
In affliction I made over 1500 divines doing super chill uber boss farming on a penance brand build. Almost every boss made me 1 div in guaranteed loot or high drop rate loot worth multiple divines like forbidden gems or maven drops. People all league said bossing was dead because affliction juice was fhe only thing to do. I made 20 to 30 divs an hour experimenting with delve, bossing, boss rushing, and essence farming due to simple supply and demand. Anything that couldn't be formed in affliction juice was massively over priced due to low supply.
The economy is self balancing. Nobody seems to understand that on reddit. Despite showing tons of data that almost every boss was around 20 divs per hour in guaranteed profit, people still claimed the only way to make money was mf tornado shot in burial chamber with 10000 affliction juice and abyss.
"If you want to enjoy your experience playing Path of Exile, avoid the subreddit." - Lightee7 (Ben), 2022. Nothing has changed since then.
I bought a Mageblood for 250d. I currently have 45d after that. I have only cleared 3 t17s. I'm a jungle valley stan, ~400 ish maps complete. I spend about 15/20c per map. People just jump on the doomsday train instead of being in game making currency. That's why they're broke.
Just did an experiment: I bought 7 harvest scarabs of doubling in T16s for 13c*7=91c. I alch + vaaled them all. I also spend around 25c on a few bisection and stability scarabs for the harder maps as well as (sacrifice) fragments to raise item quantity and the vaal orbs+achy orbs.
The total profit of all juices I sold(for suggested AH price instantly) was 349c, half of this comes from the doubling scarabs. 349/2=174c. profit from each 13c scarab is ((174-25c)/7)-13=8.3c!
Because my +quantity stuff also boosted the other half am I actually underestimating the profit from each scarab.
Note that harvest scarabs of doubling can make mobs tanky, especially unique ones. My 3mil DPS is probably a minimum.
I was buying up the harbinger scarabs and getting tons of loot and was reading the threads thinking "tf are these nibbas smoking fr?"
I think a lot ppl is poor because they all choose to go with the hype melee build forgot that melee build need equipment to be strong. 😅😅
Yeah and the equip is more expensive than ever now lol
Me crying in my flicker build
i appreciate you so much for your videos. finally someone is going against the constant tide of negativity in online echo chambers. its refreshing and very needed. especially right now.
I’ve made 90% of my currency selling scarabs in previous leagues I would not have bothered trading them but it’s so easy now this is the furthest I’ve ever made it in a league
I'm one of those people who believed Reddit until I got into T16's and realised that it's fine. I've been farming Stacked Decks/Maps in T16's and I make good money. Still kinda new to the game (4th league). I do believe that T17's are far too lucrative, however and need to be toned down a bit.
The people who complain about no loot are the same people who already rerolled 5 times, tried LS, archmage, hexblast and asking for a good build recommendation because everything sucks
@@lepsek that's assuming they have logged in at all this league
I had to leave on a trip after first 5 days, was my first time on reddit. I was like wtf. I left with a ~250div char and 300 raw divines 500 div wealthy exile evaluation. How exactly is loot dead? I was spamming rogue exiles in t16 the day before i left and had to use 2 portals for loot almost every map. That's with an uber strict filter and picking up 0 rares.
@@mitchellbenson8911Sure 😂
Not to sound rude, but people farming T17s don't even look at stacked decks. This comment really is a kind of "you don't know what you don't know." A T17 map and scarabs that people running is easily 2+ div with scarabs included on the low end. 100c just for the map. Their map alone is worth ~70 stack decks...
If everything is priced around the T17, FARM And SELL T17 MAPS. Reddit does this every league. LITERALLY every league. Thanks for this kind of video. We need to let players know NOT take these reddit post seriously so their circle jerk of negativity doesnt get to this point.
If people spent their time in maps instead of complaining on reddit maybe they would have the loot they pretend to care about.
I did try to reason with people on reddit multiple times. Provided data how i farmed 100d in t16s over 3 days. Linked to vids by streamers.usually just got silently downvoted.
Thank for the vid. Was time someone bigger said it.
It's kinda crazy how accurate the auction house post was. When I was first introduced to the game by my friends 2 years ago, I remember being extremely overwhelmed by the idea of trading items with other players. It honestly left a bad taste in my mouth how much currency I wasn't making because I wasn't savvy with trading.
Since then, I barely ever touched the game again, and whenever I did play, I wouldn't progress very far.
This league, I finally caved in to my friends again, and it has been a blast. The auction house has put so much power in my hands that I didn't realize I had, and I have progressed the furthest I have ever gotten.
the problem is that whoever is busy playing the game is not on reddit and whoever is busy on reddit is not playing the game
Its always the same story at league start. People still have the gameplay in their heads of last league when they were blasting with a decent build. Now we all have to start over, but somewhere along the lines people seem to forget this lol. Been doing fine currency wise, but did get a few big drops in the last week (1x apothecary and awake multi proj).
I mean you can literally make currency, while sleeping, with the boats. What do people want more?
Appreciate the video, this is really needed👍
Man people are crazy I have been farming harvest with crop rotation and legion in T16's with little to no scarabs and making 2-5 div a hour and that's just in juice not including all the scarabs, emblems, incubators, etc.
If you have 5 div after an hour, invest a few into scarabs. Then you will, on average, make about 2 to 4 div per map minimum for a net positive. You don't even have to go alters. T16 guardian maps are fine if you buy one in bulk and then reroll them for full sets. sell the fragments, farm maven writs, get 2 to 4 div from a single harvest on average.
Additionally, you could chuck all your influenced bases in a dump tab to sell. However, in my opinion, this and actually doing shaper and elder from this strat is highly inefficient compared to doing the harvest, killing the boss, and leaving.
reddit has been filtered for years and my enjoyment of the game has skyrocketed as a result. transmutation tier opinions.
If they took the time on reddit and spent it running maps they wouldnt be complaining 🤷🏻♂️
Literally spammed div x5 scarabs on jv and i've gotten a mageblood and pretty well geared archmage character built from that alone
Ran a 10k (blue, yellow, and purple) T16 wild wood map and got 2 chaos. I agree overall loot this league is fine, and but WW was my favorite mechanic and they completely killed it. Its like they brought my best friend back from the dead but he is a lobotomized zombie who just hurts me. I would have rather my friend stay dead than his memory be ruined. Same thing with recombs.
The only time i enter in t17 is to take my slot device, since i finish the atlas i farm rogue with titanic and finished my end game build and now leveling another character to do the same thing 🤷🏻♂️
I have about 125d invested into my Archmage as of today.
I have not stepped foot into a T17.
None of my Atlas trees invest into increased effect.
I sell most of my scarabs.
I don't buy scarabs.
I swap between Harvest, Blight, Essences, Legion, Harby, Jun, Abyss and Breach.
Loot is fucking fine.
Made 30 Div today running Rogue Exiles/Ritual strat in T16's, so many methods to just print money in T16's I can't understand the hype with T17's, but while the hypes there it's easy money just to sell them :D
Redditors are a crowd of hyper-casual bandwagoners for the most part, I experienced this personally when they circlejerked a hate thread about me accusing me of RMTing a 5 link.
What I find so odd is that a lot of these criticisms were actually valid on the first few days of the league when scarabs were so scarce that they were being priced at T17 levels, yet here we are all this time later, scarabs are obviously not being priced that way anymore. Day 2 & 3 they were 10-15 legion scarabs per Div, currently they are 75 per Div.
These people don't actually play the game, they are the same crowd of people that never liquidate currency and then say "How did you buy a mageblood? I only got 6 divines ALL league!!!!!"
I'm glad you're taking the time to make these videos, so much valid criticism of 3.24/3.25 systems is being drowned out by ridiculous exaggerations, hyperbole or flat out lies and I imagine it's pretty difficult for GGG to take any criticism seriously when you have people legitimately claiming 75 legion scarabs per Div is T17 rates, and don't even start me on the weird Sanctum circlejerk, for 99% of builds its lower per hour than T16 maps but all you gotta do is flash a stack of 35 divines you accrued from a week of sanctum farming and suddenly you're the top comment on a hate thread.
I ran like 40 yelllow blights and have gotten like 3 raw div, not to mention the normal blights found in maps have an atlas to turn towers to chests and to be openable again like 2 divs from those. Though the best I've gotten is opalescent oils in normal blights and 1 golden from maps. So far I can only safely run t11 blighted but need t13 for prismatic oils ( I ran like 2 and no prismatic oils for me :( )
I think the problem is not "T16 being dead" but more like "I cannot do 10d/h on random variety non-profitable farm strats while Mr. Streamer drops multiple T0 on his 3 minute video clips"
This true. I still believe many do buy currency for real money. For them it is not a game. Poe is their job so it makes sense for me
One thing i noticed and maybe it was just a feeling but normal map monsters without alters don't drop much of anything, i was speed running heist contracts while doing maven without killing the map boss and had to switch to alters cuz i was getting no map sustain, this was with 4 watchstones and full map/quant nodes.
It might have just been bad luck but i think if you don't have any real mechanics in your map shit does not drop.
Yep true. I've not touched t17 this league. Mageblood and 22 million DPS ele hit deadeye from just blasting t16s for scarabs and fortress/zigg maps.
There's a growing subset of the community that wants everything handed tgo them. They don't understand that what makes a video game entertaining is the challenge. These people look for excuses as to why they're bad at the game, and bandwagon on to whatever negative feedback they're exposed to. I think it's be a lot better for all of us to ignore these complaints, and maybe eventually we'll see them go away from our game that we enjoy. Maybe we can just give them poe 1 when poe 2 gets here, because 2 is going to eat them alive.
Its without a doubt that This league is the best that Ive played. The auction house made that we can get any currency for the price of another instanteneuos. Serious that by itself is the most powerful thing
Once I started tracking my profit, my fears disappeared. I didn't have much going in but it is always a good idea just to double check that what you are doing is worth while.
Question about the idea of 'pushback'. In all my attempts, pushback just get downvoted and hidden, so even if people want to push back, it doesn't have an effect. Makes me want to stop trying.
I dont quite understand what the issue of "pricing scarabs" is. The prices are made by "the market", right? So that means supply and demand. Also, of course, anyone "running a scarab" would probably evaluate if it is worth the investment, i.e. do I get more out of my maps than what I have to invest into scarabs? If yes, the scarab is worth running. If no, the scarab is worth selling. Either way you can make profit of scarabs, no matter your skill level, so... there is that I guess 🤷♂️
I actually dont know how you get to T16s and dont make steady income iv never done a T17, havent done ubers, work a normal job during the day and still make more then enough divs in a few hours a day play. I genuinely think alot of people dont understand whats valued or how to make an atlas tree
People aren't pushing back on reddit because they're playing the game :)
This is a real take, not just on this community, but society as a whole. Everyone these days is whining and complaining, but not willing to put in the time and work to make it. We've fallen so far in terms of self accountability, work ethic, determination, perseverance, and can do attitude. Those things are all be gone from youth today. RIP NA in about 15 more years.
My concerne is that t17 intended to be prepared for uber bosses, not the juicy farming.
Thank you for highlighting how stupid half of the complaints on reddit are. I agree, we need more push back against the bullshit takes.
I've been having so much fun with the league that I forgot to even see what reddit has to say lol
Yeah I'm just farming T16s and I'm richer than I've ever been, league fuckin slaps and I'm ignoring reddit complaining
The t17's are harder than ubers is something that Ziz mentioned offhand in a recent video. It might have been closer to "t17s feel harder than they should as a 'bridge' towards uber content" but a sentiment in this vein was expressed.
Generally a safe bet to assume the opposite of whatever reddit says is true
Honestly, I am taking this league slow as fuck, since I can't stomach the combined heat of summer and PC.
My strat at the moment, since I am not even properly in yellow maps, is Expedition, Blight, Alva + Essences. It is good enough to get me into a T17 ready build very soon.
There is no reason to hurry, just have fun ffs. The game is fine.
I think some people are simply not aware of how much of a difference there is between themselves and the top players, or even most players. They see a lucky mageblood or someone with finished build in week 1 and think that's where they should be too. I would love to see the /kills on some of these players complaining.
on my league starter i just couldnt get forward, then i watched a video, slapped on a legion atlas tree (didnt try that mechanic really before), invested some more alcs and scouring orbs into maps with more mods, and stopped picking up anything but currency and fragments. I made like 40 div by that in 1 day with t16 maps
I think one of the issues most players have is that they dont even understand what 5Div/hr looks like. Its not literally 5 Divines, its 5 Div in random junk u then have to sell and most players don't want to do that last part!
Just like YELP reviews, the only people who bother writing shit are the ones who had a bad experience. If you’re having a good experience, you just keep playing.
Any forum or site based on “reviews” or feedback is always gonna be overwhelmingly negative.
I can see both view points. I absolutly feel the loot got worse when using alch and go in addition to using the craft from the map device and some atlas points. Sure you can "force" rewards with some mechanics like essence and strongboxes with their scarabs. But it's an investment you have to commit to first. For me personnaly I feel bad commiting until I have most of my atlas points.
Reddit has dwindled in sensible userbase to the point where the only people left are looking for a fight.
Shhh I've been running Harvest scarabs in t16 and making a shit ton of divs.
Ngl I need to confess, I might have upvoted some of the doomer t16 posts so that people don't run those strats so that I can farm more currencies
As a casual andy im making more than i ever have because of the currency exchange. Works fine on my machine
Ever since Harvest (and honestly probably before that too) the subreddit has been just an absolutely vile cesspit of the worst takes you'll ever see from people who accuse GGG of not even playing their own game while simultaneously making stupid posts like this.
Also keep in mind majority of the "community" on any big subreddit is actually a very small portion of hyper-active posters, they're the first to posts in /new and they decide what the "community" thinks. The actual majority is just playing the game and has no idea any of this "drama" ever happens. Maybe bit less so with how popular TFT is, but I digress.
Main problem is they're too busy farming upvotes to farm in PoE.
People go to the subreddit to be miserable, it feels good for some people.
You aren't gonna fix their mindset because they're playing a different game.
The 4:45 about blight maps. I would honestly not be surprised if the guy talked about map with blight mechanic on it and not an actual blighted map. Some people are just clowning this league.
I am ultra casual, and I have been making bank on blight. Dude is delusional or dumb.
Not using reddit is a 50%-150% more enjoyment of the game buff
Excellent video. There are a FEW strats for T17 only but almost everything else is fine. I’ve been doing 8 mod, deli, harbi, beyond. Not cheap to run and i still make enough. The t17 map rolling is terrible so I avoid it. Bought a run to get my slot unlocked.
you are the light this toxic Reddit community needs, the last few of your videos are what people need to listen to!
I didn't know there was reddit drama because I'm busy playing the game
I bet that guy who pulled out the "if you want to be an irrational actor in the market and play for fun, you can't afford to" felt so smart about himself. So confidently incorrect.
Im pretty sure that guy is probably thinking or playing with a thought like, “if you want to spec all of your atlas points into Kirac missions, synthesized maps, and maven, but use ambush scarabs and a few harbinger scarabs, you won’t be able to afford to.”
His logic might as well just be “If you want to be an irrational actor and use divine orbs on your maps, you won’t be able to afford to.” He’s not technically wrong, but the message he’s conveying is so incredibly asinine lol
A secret that game devs know very well is that the truth does not matter. If the player base feels a certain way they need to change their perception with a patch.
Honestly a huge part of the "no pushback" problem is also the community. I posted a somewhat long very in-depth op-ed on why last league's t17 and b2b needed to be removed as it was toxic and game ruining as a whole. I was downvoted and got barely any comments even with 10k+views on the post. Yet GGG's notes on changing t17 and removing b2b almost perfectly mirrored everything I said in my post. So even when you try to give valid critiques and provide thorough evidence, the community on reddit will downvote you and call you bad at the game so why even bother interacting in a meaningful way if you get punished/made fun of for it. In kalandra league I posted (on week 1) an extremely in-depth analysis proving mathematically that something like 6 of the 9 league mechanics that the lake had did not scale at all with tile depth like it should have. I was literally -20+ downvotes with dozens of comments telling me I was stupid and wrong and it worked fine it was just a skill issue. 2 months later GGG puts out a patch to fix the fact that those 6 league mechanics were not scaling at all with tile depth exactly like I said on week 1. It's just ridiculous trying to be genuine on reddit these days. That's why this ridiculous doomer mentality is so strong over there.
"Scarabs will lose you currency" How in the world can anyone say that? They did two leagues back to back where much of the base game loot got moved to scarabs. One was to "balance"}}} around the scarabs and this league seemed to just nuke the base game loot entirely. Scarabs are where almost all of the loot / currency is. I don't know how someone could even claim that. That's actually a big complaint I have with the game right now is how the game seems to be going more and more towards scarabs. There is no loot _IF_ you willingly choose not to use scarabs. That is legitimately annoying.
To say there is no loot is objectively wrong. It's just there is no loot if you are actively avoiding systems to interact with in an alch and go style. Even then it's not like a barren wasteland as long as you've progressed your atlas and watchstones like you should be doing anyways. You can always farm maps. You can always farm altars. All of the boss nodes at the top of the tree have always worked since they've been there. I've been doing expedition since the start and did the same last league and the league before. It's pretty underwhelming without scarabs but the moment you put scarabs on - it just shoots to the moon how much you make from it. You have to actively go out of your way to not make currency in this game and it has always been that way since the whole Conqueror system was put in the game and especially the Atlas tree.
I just wish the game wasn't like 60-80% scarabs now. I want the base game loot to be good and then scarabs to boost that up like how it used to be. The loot is not all in T17's and Sanctum - they are in scarabs. You use scarabs with at least some strategy - you're havin a good time.
Something I feel would massively improve the game is having an actual way to target farm scarabs on the atlas tree. I would like a 100% more node for all of the mechanics while also still being able to block.
People have been saying this for almost 7 years. "Sextants make you lose currency" "you're lucky if you get a map return" "juice isnt worth it"
It's all so disingenuous when you can literally run a 50c map and easily pull out over 100c in purely gumball currency at 100% consistency.
@@Sammysapphira And sextants were priced around T16s. An easy way to see this is to take it to the extreme. Can you make money running T1s at the current cost of scarabs? No? Why? Scarab prices directly increase with the tier of the maps available because of the returns. Scarabs weren't priced around T1 maps when T16 maps were available. Why would T17s be any different?
@@Sammysapphira except right now its true because if you try to run T16 map with juice priced for expected T-17 return you WILL lose out ...
there either need to be specific separate T17 scarabs so T16 maps can have reasonably priced ones to run OR T17s should be prevented from using fragments altogether
when a single scarab can run you 60-80 chaos per piece there is no reasonable way to make them profitable for T16s ...
in order to escape the essence plantation, you have to actually have worked there
I was a poor. Then i went to sanctum. Now im a king
the biggest issue of people posting on reddit is that they dont post their credentials, yet we take all their posts as fact. we need to normalize posting your acc info so we can evaluate how much we can pay attention to what you say.
I've completely sidestepped this whole ordeal by buying a priviate league to play GroupSF with a few friends. None of this doomer economy matters to us, we've been in high yellows for the last week and have been having a blast.
"ina gold rush, sell shovels"
In a new league sell scarabs
I tried a lot of things this league. Early currency VAAL temple (0c investment), beasts (0c), Jun (1c per map for scarab) with destructive play and it was a slow grind. Hovewer now I can easily farm legion with all the upgrades I got.
I wouldn't even have to do t16. The earlier starts work in white T1-T10 maps. As you mentioned some strats need investment, but that's always the case.
Making money is the same as in the real world. Think how to do the most effective with your time
This is the first league that I have a multiple divine build. Its around 15 divine totem build and I never used scarabs, because I just like to map and chill, I just sold them to my bro faustus. This is the most currency I have ever got in any league, and I have been playing for a long time.
this is the first league i dont need to search for a ultra mega blaster currency farm with some specific atlas tree or something, after complete all maps and grab the points i just start opening my map tab seeing if i've like synteshis map or any guardian map to do for a invitation rotation + jun
after the rotation i kill shaper (guaranteed some chaos in uber elder frag), and restart again, when i run out of guardian maps, i just choose a random T14/15/16 (prefer one with a big money easy card like fortunate or some big big money card with a rare drop if i'm confident) just put the map with blue altar because i'm confident in that altar will be divine altar (not got a single one in league) with map device strongbox, run map, got blue stones to spend all in my gear because i dont buy these because we drop this easily and no big card drop or random divines, maybe i drop some guardian map and all of these with scarab drop disabled because i use essence, strongbox, jun, guardian maps and ritual nodes so i need the 20 points from Uwavering Vision.
back to HO spend my 13 alterations in a 8 passives cluster until got something to sell and really got it (feed the fury, fuel the fight, martial prowess) easy 3 div, pick another one because now i'm confident again and spend all my juice rerolling in harvest until something come (nothing come).
AFTER ALL that i restart the process for a week, when saturday come i have 25/40 div in stash, leveling another character in the end of week and repeat for another week the same process until i got 4 or 5 characters and the league die for me
yea I was really shocked watching zizzaran's league update video where he said scarabs are priced for t17's and t16's were losing you money. I've been making tons of divines with harvest on t16's this week and sure t17 would make me more but no way is t16 dead. only issue ive had is gold and i think everyone is talking about that. this is my 2nd league and its already way better than necropolis, loving the game so far
Ziz plays HC where there are like 100 players, ofc shit is expensive
To help with gold get a bit of rarity in your build. Use a gold flask, rarity support, or get some rarity on a ring or something, whatever you can do. You only need 1 to notice a large improvement, going crazy has diminishing returns. You can also run the synth maps or Wakawaka for good gold. You can also just put some of your people on idle, they don't take gold when not doing a job.
try 8 mod corrupt map...i never get that much gold on T16 with blue altar and 8 mod T16 map
Was chilling running abyss, ritual or strongboxes first week and not only I had enough money to get my endgame build but for fun I bought progenesis and now I'm saving up for endgame flicker strike build and still manage to get consistent 15-20 div per session in T16 whit casual play...
i love reddit... it proves to me that im not bottom fragging :)))))))
5:00 keep in mind only a small proportion of your blighted map drops are t16. that guys point is actually valid i experienced it myself. stopped picking them up too. the high end expensive scarabs do appear to be priced around t17s too
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