OVERHATED DPS? | How Bad is Lingyang Actually? - Wuthering Waves
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Lingyang often gets the short end of the stick when it comes to Wuthering Waves Discussion. How bad is Lingyang? Let's talk about it.
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Last video did good so I decided to actually try again on an upload. Thanks for the support guys.
Edit: to everyone saying I don’t know about his intro and ult charging his forte circuit, I do know about it. I literally made a video about it and Lingyang is the only character I’ve used for about 50 hours.
To the point where I beat Mephis level 3 with Solo Lingyang.
You’re not proposing some secret jujitsu no one knows. It’s common knowledge.
Also, Lingyang isn’t bad because he can’t clear. That was never the argument being proposed. He’s bad because he takes way more work for the same results
Finally. Stop comparing Lingyang to Bennett. He’s not a 4 star support no one understands yet. He is a 5 star DPS with a damage dealing Outro skill and no supportive abilities outside of his Dupes.
I'll always be here.
the performance on your wuwa vids are great! it just shows how useful it is to establish yourself when a game drops.
I thought you wouldnt use a healer?
@@StartRunning. I rarely swap characters.
Those two are there as a suggestion to make people believe I actually use Lingyang’s best in slot team instead of just Lingyang.
@@XgoSolo i see
Despite all of his flaws, the main reason why I main him is because... he's super fun to play
He is 🦾
He is 🦾
Same, was sad I got him at first but I regret nothing now
Fun but ugly. I like the fact that he is one of lion dancers. But I hate the fact that he uses it in a fight
yeah, that's the most important part. I ain't gonna touch Encore ever even if she is strong, her kit is pure snooze fest I might end up as sleep in the middle of the boss fight. Same reason I choose Spectro MC over Havoc MC, purely because I am sick of that gae arse woosh woosh sfx from Havac MC attacks.
Lingyang is the only character in existence to trigger my fatherly instincts and that's the only reason I'm pulling the guy
Real 😭
Sounds like what gay groomer would say
fr, he's our sonnn 😭
He triggered my daddy side too🤤
Based,he’s like the friend I always wanted that will stand up for me
I actually like lingyang's play style just needs more damage but overall i like style saved me from ground AoE a lot of times
Yeah. People say he's vulnerable in midair because of only one dodge, but they ignore the fact that he can cheese half of the bosses attacks
honestly he does more than enough damage for anything in the game
@@vanil_iScream if you somehow manage get him to R1 or something, it reduces the chance of getting interrupted when he is in the air. meaning more time to finish his fast attacks.
@@vanil_iScream +1 plus he can't counter druing mid-air, + counter with e easly, + have sick cancel animations. His dmg is bigger than others in reality but it's the hardest to master character.
If I had a nickel for every time an ice centered permanent banner character from an in-game region related to china with a teenage male figure received a poor reputation in meta, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't alot, but its strange it happened twice
And if you remove the teenage male requirement, you’d have 3 nickels
If Lycaon ends up being the same way I will cry
I just end up falling in love with the ice units every time
@@TadanoCandy who is this? Qiqi?
@@tensaitenshi yep
Fr and I main both so it´s annoying to hear people dragging them
i will forever main him doesnt matter about these numbers
You and me both man
@@XgoSolo you him and I, we will all main him until end of time
@@lonelysome21 you me him and him ALWAYS.
You me him and him and him ALWAYS
@@XgoSolo its the same reason i main amber/lisa and march 7th is my most used character in HSR its more interesting this way XD and i love em to bits, idk why fun kits or harder to use kits in gachas gotta get such little numbers man (ik why but nobody wants to hear)
To be honest I don't really care about meta this meta that, the only reason why I main Lingyang is just he is really fun to play.
Yeah probably the most fun to play among all perma 5 stars. I like characters that has good form kicks so for me he's fun
Yes, exactly. People seems to care too much about playing the "best thing on the game" and just disregard everything else. I have Jiyan, and yes he's a beast and completely outstrips everyone else in terms of performance, but I just don't enjoy his playstyle, that's why I'm sticking to my Encore because she's enjoyable to play and adorable to watch. And I think that's the most important thing.
Meta is just a killer of fun at this point
I main him cuz he’s a sweet child Whomst I love
How is he fun?? I keep seeing this and i don't get it. He's the most boring character for me. He just spams basic attacks and that's it
“Turns out, I already knew”
*Lingyang said in the ads before the video start*
I main Lingyang in WuWa and Yanqing in Star Rail, why? Because I love them as a characters. Especially Yanqing. And I hate being bullied by the community for that. I have enough of people telling me awful things just because I like these characters.
Please let people play and like whoever they want, don't treat them like I and other Yanqing fans were treated.
Though I agree both Lingyang and Yanqing need a buff. I don't care about the numbers, I just don't want to be bullied anymore by the community.
Lingyang main,and precious yanqing main here (not to mention my fav character in genshin being scara/wanderer)
At some point you just get used to a part of the community absolutely despising them for no good reason.lets just all have fun playing who we like and not kill literal cats over it
My advice to you is please ignore the community. In these games it's really not necessary to engage with these people who don't know how to have fun. I also play Lingyang, well because he dropped in the recuded beginners wishes. He plays just fine.
Please.. tell me how to build Yanqing and how to play him. I also want to make him viable in my calyxes that need an Ice DPS
To be honest, I build yanqing and he was good, only in the start of the game , and I can’t even use him as a main dps , his damage is really low even with his best team ( RM,robin , aventurine,) and if you have jingliu you don’t have any reason to play him, I know that he is fun to play but I can’t clear the content with him because he already bad and the only issue to save him is make a full rework to his talent and traces
As a Yanqing and Lingyang main, I agree that those two are being hated on way too much, especially Yanqing. I know it's annoying, but don't mind the bullying too much. They're just a bunch of kids. But yeah I hope my precious bois will get a buff.
i feel like people saying x character is worst dps are the same people who said bennet is shit
Ngl, in Wuthering Waves, if you say a character is bad you just have skill issue
@@Inkspeed that is also true
i just hope they introduce more healers
cause baizhis intro skill for me personally feels slow
@@Inkspeed what's even the worst character on the game currently? is it chixia because mortefi already better than him in every single way?
@@kurokun07 her*
@@kurokun07 maybe taoqi but I don't know her kit
He was the character that caught my eye before the game was released and I knew I wanted him no matter how bad he might be because Especially in WuWa I can always skill diff it. He is the most fun character to play literally zooming around the battle in his enhanced mode it's so fucking fun
and his outro damage can rip bosses apart.
A higher skill ceiling should lead to better results right?
It's honestly sad seeing a character this bad compared to the rest of the batch. I know not EVERY character is going to be viable but I do feel a little bad for the ones who are simply put: straight garbage.
A higher skill ceiling does not mean better results. It just means more work for optimal efficiency.
@@kieferkippyso it's just useless effort and investment lol 😂
higher skill ceiling = more fun to play
What's the point being absolutely overpowered if you are going to fell asleep from the gameplay?
hes not straight garbage though...he does as much damage as encore he just has a higher ceiling than her
@@kaleidoscope3234one shotting bosses? I'm sure lots of ppl find big numbers fun and satisfying
I do like playing the game on handicap mode and using him put me exactly on that difficult level for the exact dose of challenge I need to make my gaming needs fulfilling.
Also being shorter than the rest has its own advantage and that means your hit box is also smaller compared to the rest.
There is a great feeling of achievement being able to pull off and masterfully use the least liked character in any kind of game. Fist/guantlet users have no swing or back swing animation meaning the attacks can pull out much faster aka BAT (basic attack time)
"Lingyang has the one advantage of fighting in air-"
Changli and Jinhsi: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
It's weird because according to CN, he only deals around 5% less damage than Calcharro at S0. I feel like Prydwen is doing something different with their calcs
From what I heard from other ppl is higher skill ceiling so his harder to play than cal
There may have been some changes after the beta. The last time I went to the site, there's this disclaimer saying that the data was using beta numbers. So who knows
I feel like Prydwen is _always_ doing something different with their calcs.
@@AryaPDipaYes, I remember Kuro saying they were buffing Lingyang and Jianxin for the games release
Apart from his story line, i like lingyanf. His playstyle is super fun. Yes, when it comes to meta, he cant compete with encore or/and calcharo but he does the job. You can defeat world bosses, hologram with him. Havent tried hin at tower yet. Im not maining him but he will be the next dps i will build once im done with my main dps.
the amount of work you have to do does not translate to the amount of damage he puts out.... Kuro did him dirty AND THIS IS INTENTIONAL! All of this has been brought up during CBT1 and 2. BUT THEY DID NOT FIX IT.
they did buff his outro, but that is not enough. It's like they didn't actually calculate the effective DPS of each character at all and just throw random numbers everywhere.
@@phamtuan1840 A 5 star that's meant for 100% DPS is WEAKER than the Free Main character with 1000% Multiplier on Ultimate.
@@silkwind7618 Trust me bro once we reach max level and traces LingYang will output higher dps.
@@haithammandangan804 Source : Trust Me Bro
@@OHPBDONot really, plus they could release a new character that may be even a better support than Sanhua or Verina for him, who knows? It’s a matter of time, and yes, in some time when more traces and better echos are obtained, he’ll make a much better damage output, the source is just common logic, after time people will be getting better echos
My Opinion on Lingyang:
*HE IS SOO FUN TO PLAY WITH*
He is like perfect with my playstyle, I wanted to get him in my 5 star choice character because he is just giving _BEST BOY_ energy (which he is AND needs protecting at all cost in his quest which made me cry my eyeballs out)
Also playing him was…. Easy?
Like I don’t get why people hated him because yeah… i’ve seen videos and posts that he sucks but when I played him
HE WAS FUN TO PLAY and complicated but for me… I love complicated move sets because it keeps my ADHD mind on HYPER MODE
He is good at multiple enemies, like I literally wiped out a mob attack with him which suprised me
But yeah.. that’s my opinion
He has a complicated move set that needs to get used to but HE IS FUN than others
i actually like lingyang, but i also like to rush endgame so i end up building encore and havoc rover lmao, i chose him on the selector and i dont regret, when i beat tower im gonna build him
Why is it always the small ice type boys ?? 😭😭😭 (COUGH YANQING COUGH)
The only reason I'm mad at Lingyang is because he decided to be the 5-star from my beginner's Convene AND the character I get from losing the 50/50 for Jiyan. Plus he doesn't get as much from additional Wavebands like Jiyan, Jianxin, or Danjin do. So it's very hard to be happy about this.
Don't hate his character, just mad that they gave me two copies of him. Would have nice to get something different.
it's even better when you realize his S1 and 2 are just QoL changes and not damage increases
@@XgoSolo Honestly he would have been a much better character if they made him into a sub-dps with nice buffs since Yinlin would be the first 5-star of that type.
A little goofy that we have 3 dedicated main dps characters alongside Jiyan right at launch.
I am willing to give him another shot since his JP voice actor is the guy who did Tanjiro in Demon Slayer.
HOLY SHIT SAME LMAO ALSO LOST MY 50/50 TO HIM AND CONVENE BEGINNER
Yeah, was chanting "No Furry, No Furry, No Furry" every time i pulled, but they gave it to me anyway... so... on second account things went much better.
@@SomeNoobHydra We should all check to make sure there isn't something wrong with summons right now, because on top of Lingyang I pulled 185 times on the limited banner and got only 1 danjin, which is when I got Lingyang again.
Other than that, all I get from that banner is Chixia and Mortefi, I've yet to see another Danjin even on my standard banner pulls.
okay, so the advancetage of the gauntlet is when you swap attack . the character lunge forward. it was meant to close the gap more than anything.
I respect the brutal honesty, I mean everyone is free to play him if they like him but boi oh boy it is challenging and not quite rewarding
God damn. Just got done with the parry video so I can suck a bit less, and decided to watch this cause I love lingyang in spite of not having a copy of him at all lmao. This video was incredible, coming from a main user of the character, listing all his flaws, how to overcome them, why he’s good at certain things and coming to the hilarious conclusion that even at E6 he still kinda sucks. You’re hilarious too, man. Easily my favorite content creator I’ve found for this game, can’t imagine the work you put into these videos. I look forward to what you got coming in the future.
Easy fix for him would be:
Support(s) that speed up your forte charge and slowdown it ticking (Making him staying in Liondance form more of the time)
Support(s) that increase your damage whule you are not on contact with the ground (idk how dev can do it, but the simplest way is when plunging is available, all damage is increased)
And off-field subDPS(s) that help increase Forte DMG.
He isnt bad by any mean, he just isnt in his golden ear (yet)
True but I do not see how we can get a better Sanhua in a short time frame.
@@Ponchik-md5uq that the worst part. He might be stuck there for a while like Keqing in Genshin. Until we got new supports (like Nahida for Keqing, or just Dendro as a whole)
Until then, Lingyang will just be a clunky boii who love Liondancing on enemies face while exhuast their players
@@Ionic_Glace I am hoping (coping) that they will release another flying dps in the future and a healer specifically for aerial combat. Not saying I am not happy though, he can fly and access quest restricted areas that is beyond broken.
Great vid! I really do like his playstyle and think he has a lot of potential. For me, he's just missing a little something to make his gameplay smoother. Hopefully, future characters/weapons/echoes can make that possible.
Well, same reason why I chose Encore as my main even before the release tier list and sim data came. I just love the character, it was just fortunate that she's the #2 highest dps resonator in the current meta, I couldn't care less if she wasn't.
His playstyle is crazy cool and fun, his personality makes me eeeugh
Great vid man I also really like him but I mainly use him when I want a challenge
10:10 this one cracked me😂 gonna sub coz of this! You are funny bro!
Funny how he is glacio while Yanqing is ice. Lingyang is actually my first 5 star but I never bothered to reroll. I am not really into meta and I could use a character that is played like a brawler.
6:45 wait, but the hit in the ground still making a damage area that ou are vulnerable in the air, right? I didn't test with this purpose but I've been knocked out sometimes for this attack
Hey can i have the source for the damage charts you showed? i want to see some of the other characters. Thanks!
Do you think Lingyang's damage output numbers on Prydwen are correct? Because his damage profile that they have there clearly isn't.
Prydwen has had a long history of mistakes and weird choices, so I wouldn’t trust their calcs no
The dmg profile on prydwen is during the closed beta…. Sooooooo- dmg calculations are bad lmao, calcharo doesn’t have his swap tech anymore and jiyan got buffed since cbt2? I believe so at least
@@pally3370 Jiyan was nerfed losing 8% CR Calcharo swap tech still nets higher dps than the normal non swap tech rotation.
@@haithammandangan804 ty for the clarification!
knew ppl were sleepin on ma boi.. thanks for the vid
Bro where do you get the DPS calculation from? I tried to google it but can't find any, would love to see current DPS calc for all chara/team
I don't have a problem using him, and I don't consider myself all that skilled so..
I am also enjoying using Taoqi. Looking forward to finding more characters I love.
To be honest, I joined Wuthering Waves a week ago and I chose as my first 5* Lingyang. I saw his playstyle a little bit and how it was compared to Gaming, a character I love to play, so that's the reason. Now I absolutely love him, even if I'm not that good maining him, but it's still fun :D
Build him if you like him :) you need 3 dps for tower either way.
I went with Lingyang (+verina), Jianxin (+mortefi) and Danjin(+taoqi). Got 24 stars with no issues 😇
how do they calculate the damage? is this based on no equipment characters?
cos my ling yang has 4 echoes with glacio main stat... and he deals the same damage as my calcharo with 33/200 crit stats
It's all on an excel sheet with all damage multipliers and same base stats with a very heavy assumption that you can land every single hit and not get interrupted while doing damage. That's why in the video he said if you can land hits and dodge/ parry, any character can do the job. The meta characters give around 10-30% more dps with the same effort
@@thangd.2115 so basically, lingyang has way higher damage in action than on prydwen?
@@thangd.2115 where can we find the excel sheet lol
1:33 where did you get the potential damage calcutor? I want to compare dps of each character.
Thanks!
Pwydren had rough damage Cals for each character in the Data page
You just got a follow
U are frigging funny
Just got my lingyang ahaha cant wait to master this dude!!!
I actually reached the building before the quest using Jiyan and the train that flies around the area. With grapple, windqueller, and a dash, you can glide much further while losing less height, which I used to get to the building early (I didn't even know there was a quest that brought you there lol). No hate to Lingyang tho, he is still my favorite short king
I got him as my first 5* and I never use him. Currently trying to pull for Varina which is now more difficult as I'm running out of materials that I actually wanna use on the banner.
Thanks for the insight, now I know deeper about lingyang. Doesn't mean I won't use him as my main anymore though cause I like him so much I R2 him hehe
I'm with you 100%, love the lil guy he's so much freaking fun and I really like his character, and so, he will never be powercrept in my heart U_U
I started wuthering yesterday, as a person that quit genshin because I didn't really enjoy the combat system. People were saying good things about the combat and some clips looked pretty cool. I checked it out and on the free 5 star pull I picked lingyang.... because he looked the coolest. I really like his combat and I've never had a problem using him, he seemed really strong to me and I was surprised when I found out he's the worst 💀
I do think the avoiding ground damage is what will save him in the end after some new enemies.
feeling great today and a Yanqing and Lingyuan main today 😁
bad or not, I love him.
he’s the entire reason I started the game- I wasn’t interested until I saw him. I didn’t wanna add another game to my daily grind because I was getting tired with just genshin and sky cotl.. and mroe recently adding afk journey to it. but lingyang made me cave
I was SO happy to of got him as my first 5 star, I think within 3-5 days of playing (defo would of been sooner but the start was so boring that it took me like 2 days to even unlock wishing, and another few to unlock dailies 💀) (the game became WAY more enjoyable after getting a character I actually liked tho. if I hadn’t got him I probably would of played WAY less- well, until I heard about the free 5 star XD)
he’s such a cutie, and he’s so fun to play. and honestly I get better results- both damage and dodge/parry wise- than I have with jiyan. maybe it’s because his echoes have more effort in them, sure.. but they still have similar stats so it’s not that big a difference.
it could also be bc I’m more used to using him more lol, since I had him longer and such
the parry and dodge isn’t really an issue since you want to be in his.. I don’t rmbr the name, but the air lion dancing mode, for most of the time. and when you’re not, the basic attack combo.. isn’t even that hard? like you just spam 3 basic attacks, then go skill - atk - skill - atk over and over until you have to break the rotation, or I think it automatically stops after a certain amount? idk, but it’s been easy for me lol
everytime I bring jiyan on the field he dies.. way too quickly, especially bc he’s stuck to the ground more. the only character I’ve had better time surviving as.. is verina. who is ranged and heals lmao
also everytime I use jiyan’s burst, he stands still for a second? and it’s super annoying bc he gets hit in that phase and I can’t move him it’s so annoying
I find it ironic my Lingyang is what I find easier to use than encore she's clunky for my playstyle
I really love playing him, I have him s3 and am rocking with it
ling yang stonks up after this vid
Based of just thumbnails this feels like a heel turn form 7 days ago XD I wanna watch it more now
So what do you think about Jianxin? Is she comparable to Lingyang?
I honestly want them both just because of their fun playstyle. I pulled Jianxin first for her utility (shield and heal), but Im building her to be a DPS
I was gonna pull Lingyang next, but given your video, I may just pull for Jianxin's cons (on the beginner banner)
Jianxin has a different role. She's a gauntlet user that has slow attack speed, and is a shielder/healer. Her dps isn't the best, but her liberation is extremely useful in trial of adversity. She's like the venti of Wuwa. Lingyang on the other hand is a main dps unit that excels in ripping bosses apart. He can't be played solo like Calcharo or Jiyan. Lingyang needs a full team or at least one other unit in the team so he can abuse his outro, which instantly deals 587% of his attack to a small aoe.
Your thought process is the same way I took on making Aloy my main in Genshin.
Honestly, I didn't even want him but after I got him on the beginner's convene and saw people shitting on him I decided I had to main him at all cost.
I like his playstyle a lot :)
I ended up getting him twice. Once from the beginner banner, and once losing the 50/50 for jiyan. I'm hoping they buff him!
is there a link to dps comparison chart?
Who do I pick jianxin king fu aro girl or ice dragon dancer boy?
I mained him from the start, I managed to get a r2 abyss surges with my mono glacio team
im hoping i get s6 baizhi for the glacio bonus
He isn't bad, he's Underrated
The thing is, he isn't so bad that he become unplayable. it just that he isn't one of the best which is enough to scare away a lot of people but I do think that they are exaggerating it
For me even if Rover is bad I would still play her cuz I like her and I'm sure Lingyang and Chixia main would agree that even the "worst" character in the game isn't as bad as some character in other game, but for most people there is no reason to use him since people only use the chara they like or if that chara help their fav chara to be better (Verina for example, most people don't care about her as in they don't like or dislike her in particular but she is just so good that they use her anyway purely for Meta)
just wait where more contents released, this dude will became viable in long run. people realized how valuable jianxing
5:55 You can get to it by hitching a ride on the train too, it just takes ages
ive learned hard from genshin to never let meta stop you from having fun in games. There is no correct way to have fun and choosing what you like to do is the best decision for anyone playing a game
Lingyang is sooo cute. I got him on the random beginner banner and I was soo happy :D
I loved ling yang When I first saw him And I use him as my main because I can’t really do healers that well or anything ranged and I didn’t want to use anything that had a sword because I always do and I wanted to do something different and ling yang just looked absolutely Adorable
He will be one of my main DPS for the 3 teams I'm building. Lingyang, Sanhua and Baizhi.
I haven't max him but I noticed his outro skill is pretty good
Loved linyang a week before launch. Now he's c2 and I plan on bringing him to c6r5 no matter what people say :D I chose to adopt him, he is my son now ( I still play havoc rover anyway because I'm a massive scythe maniac. )
"But he's bad!"
"Yes, however, rushdown archetype"
Best 5 star in my heart
"This message is as inevitable as paying taxes" Why bro violate me this way bro?☠☠
God damn even in video game men can't escape from the height pill, absolutely BRUUUTAL
Thanks man I was going to build him I got my answer 🌚
So I searched up why lingyang is bad, your video was first to pop up, and I watched it. no one gave me a decent reason why he sucks
I got him on my beginners pull, and out of pure spite I decided to build him and try to challenge abyss, thank you for the good reasons u give btw, I appreciate it, tho not gonna switch my boy with a shiny 5 star. I love him, and im gonna make sure he clears at least one cycle of abyss just out of pure spite haha
Yanqing : ''Our battle would be legendary!!!''
Your sense pf humor is… something. Like you’re trying to appeal to 13yo males. But the videos themselves are actually full of good information, so I keep watching. Thank you for these.
he had us in the first half, not gonna lie
1:04 LMAO I remember doing highest difficulty sudokus just for fun
he and his atks looks cool, so imma play him
Ah, the ice curse
Every game must have their Qiqi.
But hey! You play him because you like him, and there’s nothing I can respect more.
i feel you. i main him too.
He was the first 5 star I pulled and so I started maining him, I later pulled encore, so have switched to her, I have been running them both with Ling just to knock people out so encore can risklessly kill them. This is probably a dumb strat, but that is what I have been running. I have verina ad my support. So he is kinda subdps / utility. Probably better off with yangyang but I don't have her leveled up.
Its not about the damage he deals to them... Its about the love he deals to me 💖
The resone you don't use him is
" skill issue"
he just isn’t fun to me personally… i got really lucky so i got a lot of 5 stars at the start of the game and he was boring compared to my other ones 😭 he doesn’t deserve the hate tho
Nah i dobt like furry's, especially that roar he doea in the beginning
Thats y but i get that some ppl like that stuff
Not me tho
His playstyle in the air looks cool but jinhsi about to take that away
@@F.I.N.A.L.I.T.Y. Trust me he is less furry now you don't want to see him in cl1
the curse of cryo/ice/glacial element
As a S1 encore haver I would say i am both sad i didnt get lingyang mostly for the midair combat but very happy i got encore cause ngl she, aalto, camellya and scar are the only characters with personality in the story(as of rn) and maniac child
One more thing about him: His outroskill has a high multiplier, mine is dealing 14,000 casually with Verina.
it's okay, if he's cute, I'll use him :3
i was thinking about calcharo for my free five star, but now after playing his quest, lingyang is SO MUCH FUN to play. goddamn what do i do.
Hah! Reached the highest point of that tower with only grapple hooks and Rover.
Hehe, didn't know ordinary mortals struggled with that.
My guys loves to talk😂😅
I won’t b shocked if he actually ends up being OP as we understand the game mechanics even more
Where are those dps numbers from?
Lingyang was my first character pull and he's SO FUN TO PLAY...
I love this lion boy so much and he was the number one to start playing the game pretty much. I don't care how strong he is, as long as he is fun to play and does some damage i'll never betray him!