Matt 24: Jesus Answers Two Questions
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Once again speaking on the subject of eschatology, John Alley begins this message with a brief outline of the life of Rev Richard Johnson, who arrived on the First Fleet 226 years ago. Rev Johnson achieved remarkable things, says John, as did his contemporaries Wilberforce and Newton. So what did these men have in common that resulted in the great works that they achieved? Clearly, all 3 believed in our wonderful Saviour, but in addition these men did NOT believe that the world was almost at an end, and therefore whole-heartedly poured out their lives in service to Christ.
John, examining the Passage from Matthew 24 and 25, outlines 13 differences in the 2 parts of this passage, each of which answers one of the two questions posed to Jesus in Matthew 24:3. This verse is often interpreted as being one question, but a closer examination clearly proves that there were actually 2 questions, and therefore 2 answers. The first question and answer have already been fulfilled, but the second is still in the future. We should not, therefore, become complacent but should work for the Kingdom of God.
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My Dominion Blessing Apostle John Alley for your wisdom and solid dependence on scripture interpreting scripture, you’re a blessing to the body of Christ Jesus
Thank you so much for standing against dispensationalism, the gospel of despair and denial of the Holy Spirit's power.
Thank you very much for your message.
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding.
Very well done as usual. Where are all those who are taking John Alley's place and carrying on the message of the kingdom?
I agree with Mr. Alley on the majority of things that he teaches.
However, the context of the passage found at Matthew chapter 24 verse 44 clearly shows that Jesus Christ meant that ALL these things for his 1st century disciples.
Thanks for this comment - it's a thoughtful point.
Matt 24:44 This is why you also must be ready, because the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Since no one, not even Jesus at that point, knew the day or the hour of the parousia, it also could have occurred within that generation. It would not have been good for Jesus to risk the disciples making a presumption that this was too far in the future to have any effect on them.
I must tell you, there are not two separate subjects in Olivet discourse , divided at verse 35, or anywhere. The apostles asked about the events leading up to the end of the Mosaic age; not one stone upon another. The enthroned Christ came in judgement in 70ad. He is not talking about a different coming.
@@michaelcarr8932 further, Jesus told the high priest he would See the son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64.
Also Revelation ch1:7.look it up
The long time coming was 40 years. Many fell away.
Most people I have talked to doesn't think that heaven and earth passing away of is symbolic of the old covenant passing away. They think that heaven and earth pass for real, for the law to end.
They claim till heaven and earth pass away, that the law is still here.
Jesus said till it is fulfilled, before heaven and earth pass, the old covenant is still valid. He fulfilled it. One guy didn't believe that we were in the new covenant yet. He didn't had anything to do with the new covenant. 😟. Where got that idea I don't know.
WW2 may be the thing to point to in Australia. Things really shifted in this direction in America after our Civil War. Optimism turned to pessimism after a catastrophic event, causing many of us to change the way we read Scripture.
The Greek word 'Parousia' is mentioned 24 times in the NT and refers to - a presence - coming- beside being.
In those 24 instances one of them Paul's talks about Christ's first coming. Other verses mention the 'parousia' coming of Titus, 2 Corinthians 7:6. So it is mentioned 24 x in that context.
Since the Book of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew/Aramaic then translated into Greek, I believe that this is where the word 'parousia and coming' are intermixed as coming and presence. In Mark and Luke the same olivet discourse has described the word as 'coming' Luke 21:27 'ercomenon' Strong's 2064 and Mark 13: 26 is the same event as Matthew 24:27 but different Greek words are used.
Why would that be unless the original translators have done this? Translating the original book of Matthew into the Greek as recorded in the Mutorian cannon, early 2nd century.
The other interesting and important facts are that the books of Matthew and Mark are recorded as a summery and a condensed 3 and half years of Jesus ministry into a shorted version and not written in chronological order of events. But Luke is recorded for the whole of the 3 and half years and in chronological order.
The Olivet discourse is recorded in Luke 12 & 17 & 21 in the events they were spoken but Matthew and Mark are condensed and this would explain many uncertainty and confusions regarding this subject.
I believe that the coming of the 'son of man' was specifically for the nation of Israel from 67 AD - 70 AD and the final coming 'parousia' coming is for the future.
Take a look at James 5:7-8 "Be patient therefore brethren unto the coming 'parousia' of the LORD, behold the husbandman waits for the precious fruit of the earth and has long patience for it until He receive the early and the latter rain. Be also patient, stablish your hearts for the 'parousia' of the LORD draws near.
I see both the early rain and the latter rain as the first reaping of the land of the Jews and the second reaping of all saved on the planet." Both instances are the 'parousia' of the LORD.
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who love Him. Hebr 9:28.
This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.)
Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30.
When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16).
When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1).
When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10).
Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3)
When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10).
Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
He has come
@@dafflad1 born of a virgin, died for sin, buried, rose again; and He will come the 2nd time for salvation!
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Did you realized that every time God “comes down” or that he “comes in the cloud”, it is always about judgment?
Genesis 11:7 - Babel
Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Genesis 18:21 - Sodom
that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
Deuteronomy 33:26
“There is no one like the God of Jeshurun,
who rides across the heavens to help you
and on the clouds in his majesty.
Psalms 104:3
and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.
Jeremiah 4:13-14 - Jerusalem
Look! He advances like the clouds, his chariots come like a whirlwind, his horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe to us! We are ruined!
Jerusalem, wash the evil from your heart and be saved.
How long will you harbor wicked thoughts?
Ezekiel 1:28 - 2:1
Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.
This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.
Daniel 7:13 - Jerusalem AD70
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
Nahum 1:3
The Lord is slow to anger but great in power; the Lord will not leave the guilty unpunished.
His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.
Matthew 24:30 AD70
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 AD70
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Revelation 1:7 AD70
“Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.
Revelation 14:14
I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.
Revelation 14:16
So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
So.
Do you know see what is the coming in the clouds?
It is always speaking about judgment. Not rapture.
There is one more thing I want you to see. Revelation 14 records the actual coming in the cloud mentioned by Jesus. Now pay attention to this. What would happen?
Revelation 14:16
So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
Now let me ask you this question. When was the earth harvested?
Matthew 9:37 AD30-33
Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few.”
Do you realize it was during the generation spoke about?
Let’s close with a fascinating thought. If that is about AD70. It would mean that’s the final time he came and went back.
It also means his final coming was found in Revelation 21. It was hence also about AD70.
Let me show when was the final coming.
Revelation 21:3
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
He now already dwells with his people. Did you know since then he hasn’t gone back for him to go back. His dwelling is no longer in the clouds.
It’s among his people. You.
God bless you.
Wake up sleepy head
Matt. 24 and Mark 13 were spoken by Yahshua on the night before He died.
Luke 21 was spoken 4 days BEFORE.
Luke 21: 20- 24 will commence soon.
WHEN YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies KNOW that it's desolation is near. SOON.
verse 21. Says Everyone in Jerusalem RUN.
Verse 22. These are the days of vengeance. Isa. 61. 1 and 2. Yahshua quoted these scriptures BUT left off " The days of vengeance." It was not time to announce the days of vengeance.
The 144,000 will announce the days of vengeance. SOON.
Verse 23. There will be GREAT WRATH upon the JEWS soon. EVERY man , woman, child and baby Jew in Israel will be literally put to the sword. NO survivors. NOT ONE.
Verse 24 Then the times of the gentiles will commence.
Rev. 11: 2 tells us that the times of the gentiles is the last 42 month BEFORE the second coming.
Infallible scripture.
May THE creator Yahweh give you understanding in these salvation scriptures of things to come for the wise. Dan. 12: 10.
Heb. 12: 14.
Bless you
Context, context, context.
The BIG issue with Protestantism in general, and with preterism, in particular,
is not so much what it SAYS, but what it LEAVES OUT!
Isaiah 24 talks about "signs in the sun and moon" and in the earth; Romans 8.22. Mt 24.29.
Isaiah 24 talks about judgment of angels; Mt 24.29. Rev. 12. Daniel 12.
Isaiah 24 says few men are left; Isaiah 63, also; Rev 19 and 20; Mt 24.22 the same.
Make it as sweet as you want; However, "when the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on earth?"
We shall "scarcely be saved."
It is judgment language for signs in the 'sun and moon', take a look at Isaiah 13. This chapter is all about judgment upon Babylon, ancient Babylon, same language metaphor for judgment. It was fulfilled for earthly Babylon circa 500 BC.
Matthew 24:30 is the gathering together of those who are partakers of the first resurrection. There was 144,000 saved from the first covenant of the Law. They are the first fruits unto God. This were not the Perousia pertaining to the advent of Christ at the end of the world. This is the reason that Jesus said that there were some standing there that would not taste of death until all these things were fulfilled. He came to raise the elect from the dead of Israel. They were as the sands of the sea, but only a remnant were saved. This is the reason that the word for coming in the Greek is not the same word as in Matt 24:3. The tribes mourned His coming because they were rejected.
Some good points here. But cannot someone make the argument, not only that the disciples actually ask three ?'s here; but also, lacking any definitive connection between the Temple's predicted (by Jesus Himself) destruction and eschatological events, what was the impetus for the writer's subjoining questions 2 & 3 to the Temple-destruction conversation?
Why israelliens not spread religion ? did prophets enjoi not spread religion ? What is their reaction for insist of christiens for spread religion to all all people ? Why they disbelive solomon is he spreading religion in india yemen africa ?
George, your comment was posted two years ago and I’ve just watched this video, so not sure if you will see this reply. But for any who may see it, I’d like to say that I agree completely with your observations. There is simply no reason for the disciples to conflate the temple destruction with the end of space time, i.e., the second advent; it is non sequitur. The events are unrelated in context and separated by thousands of years. I also agree that there are three questions, or two questions with the second linking the parousia with the end of the age. The end of the age as pastor John consistently and correctly teaches is the end of the 490 years/70 heptads of Daniel 9. If you cross reference the “the days of Noah” and “two taken” phrases in Matt 24 to Luke 17 it becomes clear that they are still linked to vv 1-35. Luke’s parallel account of the Olivet Discourse is found in three chapters (12, 17, and 21) compared to the content of Matthew’s Olivet Discourse that I believe ends with v 44. Matt 24:44 includes one more personal reference to the disciples: “Therefore YOU must also be ready.” Both Mark 13 and Luke 21 wrap up with the same “watch and be ready at any hour” phrases that end at Matt 24:44. Matt 24 then transitions to the Kingdom Parables and continues through ch 25. Unlike pastor John, I don’t claim any inner witness of the Spirit; it just seems to be a more cohesive explanation. Subject to change pending further study and prayer!
I guess the apostle Paul didn’t know much… He taught about the rapture in first and second Thessalonians but then again, that was just the apostle Paul he don’t know a whole lot🤣😜🤦♀️ Jesus taught in John 14 about the Jewish wedding which is a picture/type of the rapture🤷♀️
You are correct, Paul taught about the resurrection of the bodies of the living and the dead at the same time, in the twinkle of an eye. The great white throne judgment Revelation 20:11-15 and a new heaven and new earth, Revelation 21:1-8. Although the word you use for the rapture is 'harpazo' or snatching away and the word 'rapture' is not in the bible. 1 Thessalonians 4
The 'coming of the son of man' upon the clouds of heaven to commence the judgment upon the Jewish nation for rejecting their Messiah and all the events leading up to that destruction is what Jesus spoke to them about in Matthew 23 & 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 & 17 & 12. This was all fulfilled in 70AD.
3 separate historians recorded the events of those years, especially Josephus who himself was a Jew and was taken by Vespasian to be his interpreter and recorder of the history occurring. When you read the accounts recorded by Josephus about the 'Wars of the Jews' in his books, you can see the events of judgment that Jesus spoke about upon that nation in the 1st century. It also dissolved the 1st covenant of sacrifice and oblation and the Levitical law forever. Christ fulfilling all of it. Hebrews 8:13
The final coming of Christ to raise the dead and judge the world is still future an no one knows that day or the hour as spoken by Jesus in Matthew 24: 35-36 & Mark 13:31-33 & Luke 21:33-34.
The only part in the olivet discourse that talks about the end of this world as we know it.
The bride of Christ is in the kingdom of heaven now and is the heavenly Jerusalem Galatians 4:22-31. We [all believers are a part of that kingdom and all of us make up the bride. Those believers who have passed on before us for thousands of years are now in the kingdom of heaven and a part of the bride. So you see that the bride is not only upon this earth in the hearts of believers but she is in the 'Father's house being built and adorned for her husband. The 'Erusin' engagement has already occurred but the 'consummation' of the marriage has not yet occurred, that happens after the new heaven and new earth.
Eating and drinking, and gives a warning to flee in Luke 17:22-32. You are trying to make a difference that is not in the texts anywhere
Sorry, there is not 2 questions about 2 separate events
Ephesians ch3v20 (?) ? I think a "senior moment" manifest itself there. The quote should've been accredited to Revelation ch2v5.
Further, this message doesn't seem to comport with other exegised teachings John gives on Matthew ch24.
I hope he sorts it out 'cos he's a good bloke.
Verse 44. You, you. Still the Son of Man coming. Tone is not different, nor is the audience relevance. 2000 years difference. Sorry, you are not convincing enough in any of your argument.
Matthew 16:28..erchomai, 24:3... parousia,. ..24:27.. parousia, 24:30.. erchomai, 24:37-39.. parousia, 24:48.. erchomai, 25:27... erchomai, 26:64... erchomai. Obviously not the watertight definitions you suggest, but far more fluid than you strenuously assert.
I have to agree. I was enthused by what I heard, but when I checked it out, I saw parousia used before v.36 at v.27, and erchomai at v.44. Contradicting his confident assertions. Nevertheless, his general proposition I think is still ok; that is, there's a definite change in tone and vocab.
Matthew 25:13... erchomai
"They believed in a victorious gospel that would 'change' the world". That sounds good, but to "change" the world is not what the true disciple of Christ is called to do. John Elley sounds like he has read too much of Francis Schaeffer's writings. That man BTW was a very abusive man to his family. Obviously had no real peace with God or love to his fellow man. Where in the New Testament do you see the original disciples trying to "change" or "christianize" the world? This is the spirit of error at work here, not the Spirit of Christ. Sorry, but this "Peace" church is not the work of God but another spirit. Good thing I've been in Christ for decades to know not to believe every spirit, but to try them to see if they are of God.
I agree with you in the sense that Dominionism/Seven Mountain Mandate theologies are dangerous - they smack of power-mongering and cramming religiosity down peoples' throats. I don't think that's what he's implying here. Indeed, faith is a one-soul-at-a-time venture, and cannot be coerced. But when enough hearts are regenerated, social systems do change - they become safer, more ethical, and more responsible.
In another sermon that he bashes dispensationalism (unconvincingly of course) he said the 12 tribes in James 1 : 1 is referring to believers . But here in Matt 24 : 30 "tribes of the earth" he says is talking about Israel. And, both are in the same greek word.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: "and then" shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
*After the the sign there is an "and then" after the colon.
All he is trying to do is to justify his Amillennial views that the prophecy in Matthew 24 already took place in AD 70.
The greek for tribe in James 1:1 is phulais (φυλή (5443) noun: dative, plural, feminine) and the context in that place makes it clear its a tribe, although it can also mean nation or people. This type of thing is a frequent occurence in the scriptures, especially the old testament where the word for Gentiles/nations is the same word, and our translators have to choose what we read.
In Matt 24:30 John is saying that it SHOULD be tribes and not people's, with the key word being 'ge' which means in this case land according to context and not 'world' as ge was not often used to translate world, but rather cosmos. So its the context of the other word 'ge' which gives the connector a better context.
Translators can struggle with these things, especially when their own eschatology limits their range of choices for how to translate.
It's not weird to interpret a word one way here, or another way there, when the word has multiple meaning for the one same word. Context is the key. Think of the english word 'present' - how do you know if its a gift, or one of the other meanings? Context is the way.
David A
So sad this dude.
V27 COMING of the Son of Man
V30 they will see the Son Of Man COMING
V37 the COMING of the Son of Man
V42 what day the Lord is COMING
V44 you must be ready for what? The Son of Man is COMING.
It is about His 2nd COMING before & after V35!!!!
But none of you will challenge this Dude.
Das. Sad backwards like him.