Learning the power bowling release | What to look for when you have less rev rate
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I'm not a coach, but some of my league-mates have asked how I get power and revs with my thumb in the ball. I've been telling them exactly what you've said in this video. "Get your hand under the ball at the 'drive-point' and let the ball fall off your hand... thumb first, then a little flip with your fingers at release." By using the momentum of your backswing, it can be easier to position your hand under the ball right before you begin your forward push of the ball. It takes some practice to re-teach your arm/wrist to make that motion, but it is a lot easier on the shoulder, and you're not forcing the motion trying to do it later in the swing.
I recently started removing my thumb first then using the finger flip and my scores plus my average have increased I went from a 125 Average to now a 138 average!
For anyone reading this who is interested, look up an old video of Jimmy Keeth. He used to get seemingly as far under the equator as Jesper, but with his thumb in the ball. No one used the term “rev rate” back then, but he was probably at or near the 600 range. Incredible ball roll.
I read the comments to see if I can learn something else. You are ABSOLUTELY right! I read your comment and searched for Jimmy Keeth. OMG!!! He actually sometimes even looks like a 2 hander by how far beneath the equator he gets and the subsequent revs he gets on the ball. Thanks for the suggestion!
Robert Smith was another one that had a 600 rev rate with his thumb in the ball.
I have seen Robert Smith he was amazing thank you for the Jimmy Keeth I will be looking for that video
Brian Berg as well. He only made one show, but it's on CZcams.
Most times when I've been coached in good to just let my swing flow naturally with the gravity of the ball and not muscle it through. However, Watching pros and bowling channels it seem they are muscling through the bottom part of their swings. You can even hear them grunting sometimes. What am I missing?
Thanks I have a weak release and working on it guys on my team give me needles. But some weeks I beat them. Still working on my game at 68. Keep videos coming. Very great stuff!!!
I just went and bowled on the 34 fott open lanes house shot. Used my Columbia Scouts. Reactive with a pancake weight block. Focused on this power release, which I always like to do. Stand left. Pitch it to the right. And, watch the ball scream back to the back and the pins dance!
Thanks JR. Great stuff here. Something I've been working on in my own game too.
Ohhh that’s actually me at 12:40 😄
This is Exactly what I've been doing! Pointing out the left shoulder position could be the issue. Can't wait to try again. Thanks so much for the slow motion videos.
Excellent video thanks great examples
Thanks for the tip JR! I've just got back into bowling after taking off 15 yrs after having my son. He graduated high school this year and this past yr was my first full season back, after subbing a year. I ended up with a 186 ave, but have this same prob with revs, can't seem to get the necessary rotation and didn't know how to improve, until NOW. After getting my pitch fixed on my thumb a coupla weeks ago by the great Eugene McCune (who noticed my dropping the ball at a Pro-Am in Hammond, IN), I was still inconsistent with my release. I'm going straight to the bowling alley this evening to work on this tip. Love your vids! Thanks so much for your hard work!
Welcome back to the game!!
@@metalgamer9647 thank you!
So to recap, having the fingers further under the ball allows the bowler to create greater revolutions on the ball resulting in a stronger, more driving ball roll and the extra revolutions and roll allows a bowler the option of playing an inside out ball path when needed.
Having the fingers higher on the ball produces less revolutions on the ball and forces a player to have a more direct and traditional "down and in" approach to the game.
Being able to have both releases to me seems valuable to creating a fully versatile player.
One thing I see that is common is the men are often pigeonholed into moving left, even lofting the gutter cap, when the lane breaks down rather than getting higher on the ball and greatly reducing their rev rate so they can stay right like the women. And the opposite is true of the women who can't move left due to their higher finger positions.
I agree, which is also why staying behind the back has to be coupled with hand position to get the reaction you want from the ball. Keeping the hand behind the ball is very important while also keeping the other fundamentals consistent. Building blocks of bowling! Aggravating, yet fun to develop. JRs video on hand position was really good too czcams.com/video/GBuL4Sxirms/video.html coupled with this and you're off to a great start to developing. IMO.
I think they all have they’re place in my opinion you don’t always want to be straight up the back of the ball because coming up the back of the ball will cause earlier reaction (ball reading earlier) and this is good for fresh backends just starting a block etc. but having more side roll is also good when the conditions call for it aka at the end of a block. Drier conditions will have the ball check up way to early while coming more around the side of the ball will help with ball skid and also consequently helps the ball go through the pins the correct way taking out those pesky corner pins. If you were to go up the back and let’s say somehow you do get it to the pocket the ball will almost always deflect too much leaving weak corners. This is why you need several release techniques in bowling today to shoot the high scores for the entire block.
@@djsully8071 100%. I used to have a lot of trouble on super dry lanes since I had almost no tilt and maybe 20 degrees of rotation. Once I learned how to manipulate different hand positions to introduce tilt and get around the ball more, drier lanes were much easier, and I was able to play left without leaving flat 10's.
@@dmoore0079 yes 100%, what’s funny is I was the complete opposite as you I’m still in the process of mastering coming up the back of the ball since my release is more like Pete Weber’s. I flourish on dry lanes and have some issues on the fresh as my normal release blows threw the breakpoint because it skids too far, but now loving that it gets into the phases much quicker when coming up the back on the fresh.
Aclaración at most. Thank you very much. Raymond
Your slow motion software tool is the best ever! Thanks
Great info!
Women generally have smaller hands though as well. A gentleman’s hand naturally will cover more circumference of the ball before even having a strong wrist. I’m wondering if that is just one part of it as well, among others of course.
I am a male with small hands and I can come up the center which few males in my league can do. I don't throw very fast which is what they will blame. But I can hit the 7 pin with a plastic ball. So I don't think the hand size matters in that regards. The ball is drilled to find the hand. I can come under the ball more than those women are doing. that is likely the key.
This is a great video. I hope the ladies take it to heart.
Wish you would have added Jillian Martin, Verity Crowley, and Daria Pajak to the women’s releases.
Elbow in and hand under the ball really helped my roll. So you can either be up the back and straighter or crank it and get around the ball.
Great stuff
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Cool video talk tech bowling Jr Raymond
teach it, good analysis
I’m just getting back into bowling after a 20 year absence. How can I transition from lifting with my fingers to using a yo-yo release? Any pointers or maybe a video based on this would be great. You’re channels is awesome.
Okay I watched, now what do I do to get my hand below the equator? Where is the next video showing me how to work at it?
Search?
You want your elbow slightly bent for leverage, but excercising your wrist by practicing cupping/uncupping the bowling ball will strengthen your wrist and make it easier overall
I agree it does have everything to do with the Bent elbow very few can accomplished that ! But you will find your hand underneath the equator a bit easier. I’m not very good at this myself but that is what needs to happen. I used to keep my thumb partially in my thumb hole and you may as well have called me a two hander but I used to be well underneath the equator.
How to do it depends on how you bowle, What your Strenght and weakness is. When JR does a video like this it still is an individual solution for each bowler. 🤟🏼🤓
6:55 That's Dasha Kovalova, not Daria. Daria has more revs than a lot of men!
Yes, I noticed that as well. Here is some slow-mo of Daria. She gets her hand more to the inside than any of the women in this video: czcams.com/video/ZmDn_euxelw/video.html
@@marcx9176 Here's another video featuring Daria's and Danielle McEwan's release czcams.com/video/k5okwe0Qe-E/video.html
It is Daria. Dasha is a nickname, Daria is her actual name.
@@brianwaite854 Did not know that! Good that she goes by Dasha, so there is one Dasha and one Daria on the ladies tour, as opposed to the multiple Shannon's and variations on Breanna, Bryanna, etc.
Great video, I've noticed the difference in the women but the slow motion really shows what's going on.
Interesting vid, but it raises some important questions:
1. Why not ask some of the PWBA pros why they don't "stay behind the ball" as much as the men, and why they throw their bowling shoulder forward and their non-bowling shoulder back?
2. While you may be correct, JR, that they were taught that way, if so many PWBA are all bowling roughly the same
way, maybe there's something to it?
3. So, with few exceptions, PWBA pros have lower rev rates and are not under the ball, yet are highly successful on their Tour, and vice versa for the PBA pros on their Tour. Could it be that this is more a function of the different patterns on each Tour and the different center topography in the houses chosen by the different Tours? One could argue that these are possible reasons why the ladies don't need to rev it up and stay under the ball, while the men do.....
4. You mentioned, JR, that you were coaching your female students to bowl more like PBA men, staying under the ball and through it at release, and less like the PWBA ladies, who are almost on top of the ball.
I'm curious...as a Coach, did any of these female students ask you why you were recommending changing their release if the PWBA pros are so successful with it? And even if they didn't ask this question, how would you respond to it?
Thank you,
Joe Hoenig
I'm curious about all of this, too. My takeaway from this video was, "No matter how many strikes they make, they're doing it wrong."
As far as the Belmo comment: Yeah, he strikes, and he has massive hitting power, but he also rolls some really ugly splits that a stroker usually won't have to worry about.
I agree with both of you.
Success is relative. If every single person on the women’s tour is on top of the ball at release (just as an example), someone still has to win every event. That doesn’t mean being on top of the ball is what made that person successful.
Look at some of the powerful younger women, like Jillian Martin.
There is a female bowler that was asked to start the swing with left shoulder/arm extended and set her right bowling arm as a loose swing pendulum. She at the start intentionally extends out left arm. By doing this, the shoulders align with each other thruout the swing until release point. Last name was Creamer I believe. The right shoulder is staying back and hand position at release stays behind ball ball more.
Please do a video explaining how to get our hand in that position. So many videos of people saying just get your hand under the ball, simple. But for some of us years of bad habits prevent us from being able to do so. Thank you!
Yes exactly. I’m strong enough but something is stopping me from keeping my fingers under the equator
@@IAmTheEggMan111 I heard a similar thing from Norm Duke's old next level bowling vids about big, strong guys still not able to get in a powerful position. He thought it mostly came from them trying to pull the ball down and turning their arm and shoulders too quickly. You put a lot of strain on your wrist if you don't let gravity take the ball down because if the ball is allowed to freely fall from gravity, then the ball is mostly weightless in that state. Combine trying to rush the ball to the release with an early arm/shoulder turn and you get on the side and on top of the ball at the release point.
My piece of advice is to rest the weight of the ball more toward your palm in your setup position and focus on keeping the feel of the ball more toward the center of your palm throughout the swing. Also, WAIT on the ball to naturally go through its swing and get your feet to match the speed of the swing timing-wise rather than trying to hurry up the swing to match the speed of your feet. That should help you resist the urge of pulling the ball into the release too quickly, which leads to your wrist breaking very easily.
^Will has it right here. I converted to 2 handed recently, and even though my revs increased immediately, the real difference did not come until I learned to let the ball swing. I'd be willing to bet I'd be a better 1 handed bowler today than I was a year ago if I went back. The lack of effort you should feel during the swing really can't be understated. If you pull it through from the top at all, you're going to throw your shoulder and come over the top.
@@grillmaster95 it may be that I am pulling down on the ball. I am able to cup my wrist at the top of my backswing, but is the ball comes into the flat spot area my wrist breaks back to early. I’ll try letting the ball fall and see where that gets me.
@@grillmaster95This advice makes sense. I’ve known for a long time that pulling the ball down to throw it harder/faster, is a bad thing, but I also know that I probably don’t completely let gravity do all of the work in my swing and concentrating more on making the ball feel weightless might improve my delivery and release. I’m going to work on this tomorrow.
I believe the tbrowing the shoulder is to get speed by using you core to twist instead of arm speed.
I' ve complained about that for years....women in the 70's were much more under the ball because of all balls basically being equal! All balls were weak compared to today! Liz Johnson grew up old school and has succeeded with tremendous results....even winning a PBA tournament! Watch the releases of women bowlers in the 70's , 80's. Very good hand control! The balls become too powerful today and you can get lazy with the shot and still be good (score wise). If you still throw the ball bad but not as bad as others and are successful you don't change.
Do you have a video on what the proper left shoulder position is or should be? I feel like i can't possibly get under/behind the ball and I am wondering if the opposite side of my body is a limiting reason
Dear JR. I've been blessed and learned a lot from your videos and posts.I feel your pain in things like when your truck was broken into.Im a youth coach here in South Carolina.I would so love it if You could produce a video called old school and new school releases.Showcase successful Like Walter Ray Norm Duke Liz Johnson etc. verses Belmo Simonson Chri via Ect
Yes, but no need to compare it to two handers. Two completely different styles. Compare it to the strong one handers like, EJ... Prather... BJ Moore etc.
Nice video :)
I know your video is about their release but i'd like to know what is with the free lever swinging follow through? It looks like in the PWBA their arms swing three times or more after the release. I'm sure it's been coached but what is your explanation for it? My follow through is one time and the arm stays up not free swinging. Very interested. Thanks for your videos!
Some of the ladies uses a heavy bowling balls that can not able to handle the ball underneath the equator. They need to use a lighter ones to add rotations & power.
So I have a question based on an observation. Would torso tilt at release affect the release based on above or below the equator? Also is it possible that pulling the non release shoulder is pulling the hand higher as well? I have dabbled with the tilt before and it seems the more vertical I keep my upper body the more I get lift and revs. When i get a little bit more forward lean I definitely have tendencies to be weak wristed and lack the lift.
I'd be interested to see a video of Jillian Martin's release. She seems to have a high rev rate and I wonder if she is "above" the equator with her fingers or below it.
I recognize Ashwaubenon Lanes! Green Bay, WI represent!
How do you feel about finger placement? Looks like all the men have the pinky bent under
Back in day, Michelle Feldman was under the ball!
So keeping your balance shoulder behind you at time of release helps you keep your fingers behind thr ball?
Yes, it might be a momentary hand position, but the core strength to get there and hold it is the actual bottleneck. And, as you alluded to, it requires a sea change in lane play.
Great video but need to shout out to Daria Pajak and Verity Crawley who both keep their fingers below the equator and can keep their hands to the inside. They have releases equal to some of the men on tour.
Oh! My chicken is done 😂
I agree but you should of found some examples of women releasing the ball with their fingers under the equator Daria and Michelle Feldman come to mind.
Breanna Clemmer.
Daria and Michele are great examples of power player bowlers. Tammy Turner is another great example. Anne Marie Dugan wrote the book on that for women. Those would have been better examples to show of how to do it right.
Michelle was much stronger than the average woman. Daria is an example of how a woman with a more average build can produce a high rev rate with technique. She has written about learning to bowl watching the men and not being taught she had to bowl differently because she was a girl.
I was hoping to see Daria Pajak's release in this vid. Could you take a look at hers?
hers will be like some of the men on tour that use their thumbs
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Verity Crawley would be another female player with a modern release.
@@cadexim actually verity is above the equator as well when her thumb is exiting the ball. She has nice ball roll, but a fairly low rev rate because of this. Daria is one of the main ones I can think of with a power release. But on the flip side of this whole thing, she does far worse on tour than these other ladies. So it’s hard to say a more powerful release would serve that much better one tour. There no good examples to prove it would.
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I was hoping that you would talk more about how a bowler with a high hand position can improve their delivery to lower their hand position without using a brace. I’m 68 now and just started bowling again, and I am trying to adjust my grip, swing and delivery, to get better revs and power with my 14lb ball. Not sure if I have the wrist strength to keep my hand under the ball? P.S. I have made progress and improved my average from 155, to 187, with my goal aiming for a 200 average by the time the next winter league season starts.
Should have used Daria pajak as an example of how it's done. One of the best releases in bowling, imo.
Waterford lanes, is that Waterford Michigan? If so, I can attend your clinics.
I do feel it probably has a bit more to do with strength than you are giving credit for. I developed tendon issue in my wrist a few years back and I can't keep my wrist cupped long enough to keep my hand back behind there. Maybe there is some technique that would make it esier for me. You could give me a stack of books and I would have trouble holding that stack of books up with my hand only because my tendons in my wrist would feel like it's on fire and going to snap. When this started to happen, I naturally started trying to create rev's by rotating my shoulders around (making my hand come around the ball). I did this by not even knowing it. This is why I think it is indeed a strength issue and probably why some of woman have that shoulder turn. I'm sure that shoulder turn is helping. Maybe along with some technique we could make this easier and require a bit less strength, and I would love to figure that out. I will be watching future videos! I actually sent you couple videos a while back because I just can't get out of this habit now that I have some strength back. I will be watching, hopefully you can prove me wrong. Too bad we aren't located a bit closer because I think I would be a good test case for this lol.
Would a open release such as Pete Weber or Jillian Martins improve their hand position?
I watched an old pwba event. And then watched some more. Like late 80s early 90s. The women threw the ball more like the men then. They didn’t have that repeating follow through either.
Q. Wlhat's up with the repeating follow through? I see their arms swing like a free lever three or four times after their release. i don't get that at all. I mean physically how to do it. I'm sure they've been coached a purpose for it.
What make bowler were you referring to as having"best in the business"? I didn't get the name.
I have basically the same opinion. There are very small male bowlers that get more on the ball than the ladies and how much of that is strength? Look at how small guys like Chris Warren, Norm Duke, and Pete Weber are...5'5-5'6, 125-135 pounds
Usbc can just train all female bowlers with 90 degrees axis rotation and with entry level/urethane bowling balls. As for cupped wrist release, just put them last. Such arrangement should be good enough.
Personally, my goal is to throw it like either Bill O'Neill or Kelly Kulick. Or even Tommy Jones since him and I have very similar physiques (I'm a little fatter tho haha). I know it's possible, I just gotta undo a whole bunch of bad habits that I've developed. I did some coaching with JR last year I think, I might get another session in cuz damn, I've hit my limits the way my current game is.
man if i can bowl like EJ i would be super happy lol. His rev and speed is insane
I 100% agree. I think many women just don't understand how to get their hands under the ball and don't even try.
Why? With Walled up lanes.
It should have right shoulder back left shoulder forward...
Can you post the class on staying under the ball. The virtual class you mentioned
There are several videos from this guy already out there. They are many years old but the lessons are still the exact same today.
There was a woman bowler in the early 2000's, who had reasonable success, who had good hand position and rev rate. A blond right hander.
It was a real contrast to see her compared to the rest of the women pros.
I 100% agree with you. However, women have more angulation of the elbow. You can easily see this if you have a man stand with arm at side elbow facing out vs a woman doing the same. This makes it harder to stay behind the ball. It's also harder to stay under the ball when you have a -4" span. There's also the issue of clearing the hips that men generally do not have. Plus the strength issue. These are not just excuses, but rather physical differences that have to be made up some how in a woman's game. What women do so well is gain leverage by having great finish position and deep knee bend, Great video, thank you
I’ll give you everything except the clearing the hips excuse. That doesn’t cause bad position. I also won’t give you the strength issue. It’s a technique that involves very very little strength
@@Tenpindoctors If strength were not an issue, then you'd see the same MPH listed on the pro tours on TV. OF course that's given if the MPH reading is taken at the same location/depth on a similar pattern with similar breakpoints. I do notice that in general (not the pro level), women under rate the ball weight they are able to use effectively. Thus handicapping themselves. A healthy middle aged woman should be able to handle 14 to 15 lbs easily.
@@Atochabsh mph isn’t the issue here. Again not a strength thing because not even speed comes from strength
Ej tackett is a good example of high rev rates and he’s not the biggest guy.
I’m new to bowling my rev rates are pretty low but I’m improving
EJ is also a bowling anomaly and should never be considered a part of general bowling technique. he is an extreme outlier.
@@who8mahbacon I want to disagree with you but I can’t hahaha
Why didn't you show the opposite shoulder position for the men?
JR, could you explain what Rev dominant is ? I too top the ball but supposedly have good rev number ?? Thnx
Rev dominant = Ball is crossing too many boards and is going too slow.
Speed dominant = Ball isn't crossing enough boards and is going too fast.
Even total spin biscuits can be rev dominant if they just throw it soft enough.
Had no idea the chicks spun it so much. Generally they are way more technically sound than most of the dudes. I'd like to see JR react to how Liz Johnson throws it, seeing as she gets less than 200 RPM haha
Looking at the women bowlers and listening to your comments on the shoulder placements, I think I understand why women were taught this way. If my memory is correct, there was a dress code for back in the day, and women were required to wear skirts.
This is the problem I have I am on top of the ball been trying to fix it. Any tips?
Me as well, Robert.
Have known for years but can’t fix.
Makes me want to quit. Have actually tried no thumb & two handed but afraid at 67, too late. Guess I’ll just spin it down there & suck .
I meant accuracy
Could you please help us (left-handed) bowlers by making more educational videos for left-hand people 🙏.
I feel like the women generally have less finger strength, thus, not allowing them to come through from below the equator. They then learn to manufacture some power from above. If they've bowled long enough they may develop more finger strength but they already are comfortable doing it their way.
And the tucked baby finger???
Few women get as much power as Stephanie Zavala. Let's see her.
You keep pointing out the left arm being back as a bad thing, but never show anyone in any other position. Where should it be? Both arms forward of the body cannot be right! I would fall on my nose. Could you show the correct free arm position? Thank you!
Where’s Mike Fagan?
If your going to criticize these bowlers posture and release don’t show them making a strikes
Huh?
I think the OP is saying that if the women are doing it wrong and they're making strike after strike after strike. Then they apparently are not doing it wrong if getting as many strikes as possible is the object of the game.
My 2 year old can get strikes also but it doesn’t mean his posture/release is good or not in need of improvement
Did Earl Anthony release the ball like this?
No he was wrong handed and never got right of 10
@@Tenpindoctors • No, he was Left-handed and never had to get right of Ten when he won. Now maybe he didn't have enough rotation to bowl right of Ten successfully when he didn't win, but that's not the topic. The one thing I've learned is that, a weak release will help on dry conditions. Thanks, great video.
Banana peaches
Everyone know that problem. But they just don’t hv enough strength or technic to get the finger under. Tats the real problem.
Check out the releases of these two girls. czcams.com/video/yi7sw453nwA/video.html
You can definitely see the difference in the shoulders. Their left shoulders are wayore forward giving them more leverage as the release the ball
I Pray the Lord Jesus strengthen you and your family.I love your son in some of your videos
Dasha Kovalova, not 'Daria' anything.
Ladies have assets dudes don't have that they have to get their arms around during the release. Right shoulder forward creates space for the follow thru of the arm without bouncing off the bobbers. Lol
Should've had Daria Pajak in there
Just my 2 cents. I have heard this from several pro shop owners and semi pro and pro bowlers as well as softball coaches and doctors. There is a reason they say " you throw like a girl". The female anatomy is different. They cannot throw a ball like a male because of this.
yeah Belomo he even uses 2 hands too. there is no women that could throw powerful as a man Belmo with both hands. lets see how fast you can clime a rope with just one hand heheheheheHA!
I've noticed over the years that MOST women that bowl professionally or on a collegiate level are fat,
where as MOST men that bowl professionally or on a collegiate level are thin. Wonder why that is?
You must understand that the women do not have the hand and wrist strength to be able to get under the ball at release,,,some of them do, most don’t and I’m sure you realize that so it’s not a product of their environment it’s a strength factor
It is not a strength issue
@@Tenpindoctors It absolutely is a strength issue with the women it doesn’t matter what position their body is in they just aren’t able to do it, most of them. If they’re able to bend their elbow yes then they could get under the ball but how many of them can do that? So what you Could try is to take one of these women that you showed in the video and try to get them to get under the ball and see what happens? Then you’ll have your answer
@@JSBowling2011 false. I don’t know a single woman that can’t hold the ball fingers below the equator for a fraction of a second. You’re not holding the ball cupped the whole swing. If you are you’re doing it wrong. It’s literally a fraction of a second
@@Tenpindoctors well once again where are the videos of these women who are under the ball at the point of release? Sure they can hold the ball that way, but they can’t release it that way through their approach . You showed the videos of all these women on top of the ball so where are the videos to prove that all women you speak of can cup the ball upon release or hold it below the equator with their fingers? This is another situation of easier said than done. It’s easy for you to do it because you’re a male you’ve got good wrist strength and you’ve been doing it probably most of your career but just because you can do it doesn’t mean that others can, Especially females and there are some great female bowlers who do not have their fingers below the equator. I know many good male bowlers who can’t even get their fingers under the equator because of lack of wrist strength, and these are 200average plus bowlers, some regional players.
@@JSBowling2011 you’re not listening at all. You only have to be under the ball for a fraction of a second. Not through the whole approach. You don’t seem to understand the proper technique.
Noticed a lot of male players tucking their pinky finger what's the benefits
Pinky finger tucked under promotes keeping your hand on the inside of the ball and when you release correctly, gives you a bit more rotation.
Putting your hand under the equator of the ball requires to bend your elbow. Unless your name is Sean Rash, It’s virtually impossible to put your hand under the ball without bending the elbow.
Next thing is, if you bend your elbow you will always lose some ball speed. I think that is quite obvious to anybody.
Next thing is, if you want to put a decent amount of revs on the ball you will have to bend your elbow, this will lead you to loss of ball speed and to gain the extra speed IT WILL REQUIRE to develop a proper timing.
Women, generally have very late timing. I think, they just start bowling like that, maybe it is a question of balance, i don’t know. What I do know is that 80% of the ladies on PWBA have late timing and almost no one on the PBA tour have that issue.
So maybe for the girls its not difficult to learn to bend their elbow and put the hand behing the ball. The issue is that with their type of timing they will end up throwing the ball at 10 miles per hour.
Ladies that bend their elbow usually do have a proper timing (Michelle Feldman or Daria)
Great content JR!
Elbow bend is an added technique yes. Not required to get your fingers below the equator though
Your review is skewed in favor of men. Show top pro women that release the ball by the science. Comparing a two handed bowlers release to one handed bowler is not apples to apples. Also compare pro women that are successful with releases that defy the science.
And remember women are no longer girls.
Amend to women being thought WRONG. I don't even watch any women pro-bowling on TV because its like watching small kids that don't have any idea of what they are doing. the best place to watch all the bad ways to bowl is to watch women's pro-bowling! PB3 teaches you to stop moving at time of release & that's really a HUGE almost ALL pro-bowling women do: the swing there arm at all times even after release until the ball is all the way back. I tried it a few times just to see how bad it does throw me/you off balance so women have 2 things throwing that throw them off balance = #1 this is what a bowling does to all bowlers it throws you off balance then #2 waving & swinging there arms all around until the ball is done rolling. the funniest thing I've seen is a women made it to the PBA period then when she did make it to the PBA she was the ONLY person as she was the ONLY women who was there out of 100's of other men Pro-bowlers even then she could NOT see she was the only person that was moving at all times & of course she never made it any farther. the men stomped her, she had no chance to go any farther in the PBA. the men do sometimes move there arm but its after it did not matter. after the ball is released & the follow though is done you should stop all movement as PB3 tells everyone.
Nothing like a man mansplaining how women are not throwing the ball correctly. If you notice the men, they don’t have hips. Pretty flat sided. Do you have hips you have to come around? How about boobs on your chest that come with their own weight? Comparing men’s throws vs women’s is just plain ignorant.
Trying to wrap my head around this. I feel like this video was useless and pointless. These women have successfully made it to the PWBA without needing to throw it like the men do.
So JR basically what your saying in this video is the women are doing it all wrong?! 🤔 And their technique is wrong because they aren't behind the ball and fingers aren't below the equator like the "men"? Are they not successful or accomplished because they aren't using the "proper" technique or the same technique as the men?
These women must be doing something right to be on your and where they're at today. This video is disappointing, disrespectful and degrading to women bowlers. We don't need to have the same release technique as the men to be a phenomenal bowler and to make it on the PWBA tour. Shame on you to sit there and criticize what they're doing wrong. When clearly they must being doing something right to have made it on the PWBA tour in the first place. And didn't do it bowling like a "man". Not that it matters because I'm just ONE of your many followers and subscribers, you've lost my respect.
Read the title. It’s about why they don’t create as much power. Way to take it way out of context. I’m fairly certain I point out how good their ball roll is. It’s simply about why they aren’t as powerful and play the lanes they way they do. End of story. Have a great day.
It’s also nothing to do with being successful or not. It’s about lack of power. 🤦🏼♂️
So if a woman bowls 300 but with less power is that 300 not equal to a man's more 'powerful' 300? Somehow you have to connect the dots for this video to make sense. "Women bowling scores on average are lower than men bowling scores because they don't go under the ball. Here is the link to women vs men averages over the last 50 years. As you can see women average only 240 and men average 275 with all other things equal".
Another coaching copy cat move is having the women swing their arm back and forth back and forth after the release. What an annoying waste that is. If it really did help then the men would line up to do it. Stop it already.
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