Dead Space 2 | A Complete History and Retrospective

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  • čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
  • Hey Dad,
    Today, we're going to dive deep into the classic Dead Space 2. Will it's changes to the story structure and genre make it able to live up to the legacy of Dead Space?
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    CHAPTERS
    Intro 0:00
    Development 1:47
    Dead Space 2 2:22
    Severed DLC: 48:21
    Final Thoughts: 50:31
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Komentáře • 268

  • @YourFavoriteSon1
    @YourFavoriteSon1  Před rokem +54

    How do you feel about Dead Space 2 Dad? 🚀

    • @agbrenv
      @agbrenv Před rokem +7

      mechanically better than Dead Space, atmosphere and overall feel a bit weaker than Dead Space, overall a great and worthy sequel

    • @lodn113
      @lodn113 Před rokem +8

      Dead Space 2 is my favorite Dead Space game, prolly one of Mt favorite games of all time.

    • @RazorBladezX
      @RazorBladezX Před rokem +4

      Might as well call it Dad Space 2

    • @mementomori771
      @mementomori771 Před rokem +3

      Best dead space absolute kino

    • @cRimson2cuRse49
      @cRimson2cuRse49 Před rokem +5

      If i had to choose between DS1 or DS2, DS2 kinda tops by a small margin b/c blue flamethrower baby.

  • @zoltar0205
    @zoltar0205 Před rokem +91

    33:04
    In the controls you can change the aiming from center which is the default to classic which is the dead space 1 style of aiming

    • @Asaylum117
      @Asaylum117 Před rokem +23

      I'm suprised he missed that during his review. I do like that the devs for Dead Space 2 gave the players an option to use different aiming styles. If people prefered the first games aiming, then go to the options & change it like that for the sequel.

    • @Xbob42
      @Xbob42 Před rokem +3

      @@Asaylum117 I replayed the game just a few days ago and completely missed the option as well, as the weird center aiming without the chunky lasers was one of my bigger gripes. Then I saw a speedrunner swap over to it and was like "goddammit."

    • @Asaylum117
      @Asaylum117 Před rokem +1

      @@Xbob42 LOL. Yeah, it can be easily missed if you are going for a blind playthrough. XD

    • @nobodythisisstupid4888
      @nobodythisisstupid4888 Před rokem

      I am a person who always goes through options menus when starting a new game and I overlooked that too. I didn’t understand what that setting meant based on the description and name so I just left it until I saw Mandaloregaming mention it in his video. He usually always talks about fixes he does for highly broken/buggy games or if there are certain fixable gripes he has with the game. He’s also where I learned about the mousefix and using NVIDIA to force v-sync at 60 fps to prevent physics from breaking in Dead Space 1 (the same fixes are available in DS2, but I didn’t find the mouse fix to be necessary for this one).

  • @SaltyMacaroon
    @SaltyMacaroon Před rokem +63

    As much as I enjoy the tone/atmosphere of the first game more, I think it was kind of fitting for it to change in the sequel. Like, Isaac has been through all of this already, so I'm glad he seems more frustrated with everything. Chain-stomping necromorphs is very much one of my favorite things in this game, he's so pissed off.

  • @Cooltowncity
    @Cooltowncity Před rokem +89

    There's something about the "Favorite Son" thing on this channel that just feels right. I love these videos.

  • @vulkhanasennet9961
    @vulkhanasennet9961 Před rokem +48

    It doesn't have to be either a horror game or an action game. It can be and is both, whether you want to call it a Horror-Action or Action-Horror that it contains both elements is undeniable in my eyes.

    • @ChA0s_AgeNt
      @ChA0s_AgeNt Před rokem +5

      It really nails the balance between the two, while also vastly expanding the world & Issacs story in it.
      Great game, one of my all-time favorites.

    • @wangchung2157
      @wangchung2157 Před rokem +2

      Yea I dont understand how some people cant grasp this concept

  • @maroonstarsface
    @maroonstarsface Před rokem +18

    On the "dead space 2 is more action than horror compared to the first" the Devs said in interviews alien was a huge inspiration and they followed the thematic blueprints riddly set out in the first two films. Upping the action in the sequel was always the plan because Isaac just as Ripply before him is now experienced with the aliens, they know how to deal with the threat and are more interested in taking the fight to the aliens rather than just fighting defence while their surrounding are engulfed. Sure some of the horror is taken from that but I think it works really well and if EA didn't sink their claws we might have seen a really interesting culmination of this on dead space 3

  • @21skyrim
    @21skyrim Před rokem +63

    I found your channel two days ago. Watched your last dead space vid, all of your silent hill vids and just finished your fable ones. It’s helped a lot while I’ve been down bad with Covid. Thank you…son

    • @YourFavoriteSon1
      @YourFavoriteSon1  Před rokem +16

      Thanks Dad! Hope you get better soon!

    • @falsegod8792
      @falsegod8792 Před rokem +2

      Feel better soon Nick 💕

    • @Draliseth
      @Draliseth Před rokem +6

      Make sure to eat all your cigarettes and drink plenty of bacon. You'll be right as rain in no time.

    • @bryangibson6211
      @bryangibson6211 Před rokem +2

      @@falsegod8792 such a wholesome comment from such an intense username

    • @falsegod8792
      @falsegod8792 Před rokem +1

      @@bryangibson6211 😂😂 i always forget about my username tbh!

  • @LibbyB
    @LibbyB Před rokem +5

    Fun fact the dude who dies in the elevator part at 14:55 won a contest to design a kill move the one seen at 27:40 and as a reward had his face scanned and death scene put ingame. On another note if you participated in the contest they gave you the rorschach test and patient dossier you see in the intro on the table.

  • @legionairesunny5507
    @legionairesunny5507 Před rokem +6

    I love Dead Space too so much. Its a game me and my Mom bonded over. She watched me play through it, asking me questions as I attempted not to freak myself out. She even read the novel! It was a good time.

  • @versebuchanan512
    @versebuchanan512 Před rokem +42

    DS1 was an absolutely banger, and 2 somehow managed to STILL improve on almost every aspect. One of the best sequels I've ever played. (Damn shame they never made a third one

    • @Draliseth
      @Draliseth Před rokem +5

      It is not a true Dead Space pulse rifle lest you're able to plant the butt into the ground and commence the disco of death.

    • @zabbybearz
      @zabbybearz Před rokem +2

      They have made a 3rd one. An u can also change the reticule in settings

    • @meisterwu8922
      @meisterwu8922 Před rokem +3

      @@zabbybearz there is no Dead Space 3, no Metroid Other M and no Star Wars movies after Return of the Jedi.

  • @FPoP1911
    @FPoP1911 Před rokem +13

    Right when you think the day can't get any better... a bright son comes out and lights everything up even more.

  • @austinfowler2707
    @austinfowler2707 Před rokem +14

    Two things so far at 33:20
    1) the Ripper is vastly better in this game, as with the Flame Thrower. Essentially. All weapons were balanced very well in this game, making it totally up to the player to use what they so wished. Ripper and Force Gun? Why not.
    Pulse and Seeker Rifle? Yeah!
    Javelin Gun Flame Thrower? Go for it.
    That's because each Gun does what it's intended role is meant to be. They do enough damage to make it viable.
    The second thing is kind of just an extention of the first. And that is there is redundancy in loadouts.
    Let's take the Plasma Cutter and Pulse Rifle. They do amazing direct damage to a target. So you have to ask yourself, why use both. In DS1 there really wasn't unless you found yourself attacking the little flesh crawlers that came out of pregnants.
    But in DS2, there are more smaller, weaker enemies that will swarm you. Meaning that the Pulse Rifle is better suited for these targets because you have much more ammo for them. On top of that, the PR has a Grenade Launcher Alt fire, which is just good for targets, but uses a ton of ammo.
    So the reason you had an issue with a 4th weapon was the fact you had redundancy. You carried the PC, PR, and Line Gun. Your Direct Damage role was taken up by up to 3 other tools.
    So even if you'd have taken the Ripper, it would function the same as any other tool in your loadout. Redundant. But doesn't equal bad.
    I'd have suggested the Force Gun, or even the Contact Beam. The FG for its "Get the hell away from me" utility. The CB for its one shot kill on basically all nonboss enemies.
    Oh I completely forgot what else I was going to point out.
    The reticle is actually changeable.
    In one of the settings, you can switch the aiming back to Classic.

    • @fireflocs
      @fireflocs Před rokem +1

      If we're talking loadout, I think it needs to be pointed out that enemies in the Dead Space series almost exclusively drop ammo for weapons you have equipped - meaning you can actually solve the game's resource economy problems by having one weapon on you with expensive ammo (say, the Contact Beam), and then never using it. The game will keep dropping this ammo that you never need to actually fire - meaning you can just keep selling it, and substantially boost Isaac's income.
      This is compounded by the fact that having one weapon you don't intend to use means you don't have to buy upgrades for it, meaning you'll not only have more money coming in, but one less thing to spend money on. It completely changes the feel of the game, and, imo, for the better.

    • @austinfowler2707
      @austinfowler2707 Před rokem +1

      @@fireflocs yeah honestly that was my main reason for having the CB in the two games.
      When I was still average/below average at these games, I'd use 4 weapons in a "all bases covered" methodology.
      Plasma cutter, Pulse Rifle, linegun, and then the Contact Beam in DS1 and then CB or Detonator in DS2.
      Now that I've become more confident in my knowledge of the game, I like to stick to 2 weapons. My general go too is the Javelin Gun and Plasma Cutter, though I can replace the PC with the Pulse Rifle, Force Gun, or hell even the Contact Beam.
      I really only use the CB in the later game when you get to the Gov Sec.

    • @fireflocs
      @fireflocs Před rokem

      ​@@austinfowler2707 I once did a playthrough with just the Line Gun - and I was _untouchable._
      Dead Space is just not a game that demands a full arsenal.

    • @austinfowler2707
      @austinfowler2707 Před rokem

      @@fireflocsyep, once I learned that, it became a ton better.
      On top of that, having fewer tools means that I can make mugger upgrades to my loadout rather than incremental upgrades throughout the game. Better to have only 4 sources or upgrades rather than 6.

    • @xerosthemonk
      @xerosthemonk Před rokem

      There is no better tool to deal with the pack than the Ripper. The little fellas just can't resist that ADHD impulse to jump at the spinning shiny thing

  • @Invicta707
    @Invicta707 Před rokem +5

    i consider DS2 more of a 'psychological thriller' than a true horror game like its predecessor. I love both

  • @guccicat223
    @guccicat223 Před rokem +8

    You can turn on classic reticle from the previous Dead Space in the options menu, I think in graphics. You can turn it on in Dead space 3 also

  • @fiya8765
    @fiya8765 Před rokem +6

    Hey man, just want to say thank you for these videos. I put your retrospectives on while I'm working and it makes my days go by so much smoother. Keep up the great work

  • @dickfitzwell1447
    @dickfitzwell1447 Před rokem +5

    Damn dude, you got this one out pretty fast! I enjoy listening to your videos while I'm at work, helps pass the time

  • @TheFoxStyler
    @TheFoxStyler Před rokem +13

    damn son ur pumpin out stuff like i did myself in my youth all the time xx keep it up but dont overwork yourself you dont wanna get burnout :P love the retrospectives tho it gives me lifeengery

  • @stealthmonkeydc2869
    @stealthmonkeydc2869 Před rokem +2

    Return to Ishimura is one of my favourite game levels and not a lot even happens for most of it. It's just you scared of something happening and that fear is slowly dialled up to boiling point by odd sounds and audio logs of other people being just as freaked out as you are.

  • @jakeshepherd7046
    @jakeshepherd7046 Před rokem +2

    I believe that while Dead Space 1 had much scarier moments, they were a good bit fewer and further between. Every area of the Ishimura looked like a horror movie, the medical deck chief among them, but Dead Space 2 twists that by giving the idea that monsters aren't just in spooky places, they're everywhere. And once you get used to them, none of the Necromorphs in Dead Space 1 really made me scared, aside from the Hunter of course. Dead Space 2 however has the Stalkers and they still consistently keep me on edge even on my 20th playthrough of the game. Dead Space 1 had a perfect atmosphere of tension, meanwhile Dead Space 2 has a perfect atmosphere for terror.
    Of course fear is one of the most subjective things ever so while I may find the Stalkers terrifying, someone might call them Kentucky Fried Chicken which is completely fine.
    Either way I'm proud of how this came out son, I'm excited to see what else you make.

  • @demollyon
    @demollyon Před rokem +2

    You can change the reticle to the DS1 one through the options, my son. I always do it before playing DS2

  • @hihowrya370
    @hihowrya370 Před rokem +2

    After the Silent Hill depression stream, this video might help me recover. Thank you son...

  • @Assassin21BEKA
    @Assassin21BEKA Před rokem +7

    27:53 its probably my most favourite thing in ds 2. Survival horror game without it becomes quite boring to me, i love this feeljng of surviving on low resources.

  • @FavynTube
    @FavynTube Před rokem +4

    Gotta say I fundamentally disagree with your analysis about DS2 as a horror game.
    "The illusion is broken because in ds2 you're constantly thinking about mechanics, health, ammo, etc"
    Uh....good. I don't think that detracts from horror at all. If anything it enhances it. You're more threatened, the game demands more of you, you're more on edge.
    Your view of horror as an illusion, something that can only be achieved if you make players forget they're playing a game.
    I almost believe the opposite is true. I think a game has the unique opportunity to force your engagement and that interaction increases intensity.
    Seems unnecessary to try and judge dead space 2 on labels. Good action game? Good horror game?
    Who cares about being one or the other. Whatever the fuck it does it does it well. It's a masterpiece and in my opinion even better than the first.
    I enjoy your stuff and think the video is good, just feels like you got hung up on an unimportant point and tried to put the game in a box.

  • @sootythunder3111
    @sootythunder3111 Před rokem +2

    I think Markiplier summed it up best with his review on dead space 3. That the longer you have a character recurringly go through the same type of horrifying scenarios the less return on investment you get from the scares, Issac went from being clueless (and if you read his objective commentary scared shitless) to going to “I know how to survive this, but this time maybe I can save some people” to dead space 3 of “I AM DONE WITH THIS SHIT GET SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOUR SUICIDE MISSON”

  • @fmsyntheses
    @fmsyntheses Před rokem +3

    There's nothing scarier than running through a well-lit room past every monster in a horror game within the first few minutes whilst they ooga booga impotently in your direction

  • @chrisditoro3876
    @chrisditoro3876 Před rokem +2

    Son,
    The prodigious pace of your video releases continues to amaze and impress me. As with the first Dead Space video, I’ve truly enjoyed this wonderful overview of DS2. The Salt Factory also put out his replay of the first Dead Space and it worked really well as a companion piece to your video.
    Every one of your videos has an incredible narrative aspect to it that I find particular engaging. You’re a very adapt story teller, and I look forward to each of your releases.
    It’s starting to get cold outside son, make sure to dress warmly.

  • @kbub1234
    @kbub1234 Před rokem +2

    I'll admit son, I didn't know I could find another long-form analysis channel that could keep my attention. But since finding your channel I got hooked and watched every video. Dead space 2 is one of my favorite games so seeing you doing this retrospective is great

  • @demetriusmccray1574
    @demetriusmccray1574 Před rokem +1

    Thus is such a good channel! I hope the recent announcements on ips you’ve covered gives you a boost!😊

  • @Thwompapotamus
    @Thwompapotamus Před rokem +4

    Much appreciated, Son. Eager to see your work on the feast of horror content we've got coming over the next few years.

  • @HeWhoComments
    @HeWhoComments Před 5 měsíci

    One of my favorite parts of the game is the “I’ll be there. I’ll be there!” moment. That, along with many of the other on-rails action sequences, is so badass and fun.

  • @tinflesh
    @tinflesh Před rokem +4

    I love your retrospective videos!! Earned a sub there❤️🤞

  • @MajesticsTwelve
    @MajesticsTwelve Před rokem +2

    This is probably one of my favorite games of all time, though I enjoy hearing what other people hear about it. Although I disagree with your statements about it being a horror game, it is an extremely good action game. It never gets old.

  • @videonmode8649
    @videonmode8649 Před rokem +3

    33:15 You can change the reticle to classic

  • @jadenrivers1176
    @jadenrivers1176 Před rokem +3

    Hey son! I found your channel like a week ago and I've been binge watching almost everything, especially the yakuza series, it's my favorite game series,and the way you put out content is awesome,keep up the good work😎

  • @Daxxykin
    @Daxxykin Před rokem

    Just watched your Dead Space 1 video the other night at work and was sad to not see a Dead Space 2 video followup right away. Great video once again :)

  • @leafia133
    @leafia133 Před rokem +4

    God I love your video they are so chill and calming to watch I always rewatch them

  • @chaytonbritton7291
    @chaytonbritton7291 Před rokem

    I found your channel about a week ago and I've watched every one of your videos twice. You consistently put out quality content and your analysis on the given material is always well researched and well put. I'm proud of you son

  • @noahgilmore4837
    @noahgilmore4837 Před rokem +1

    Your making me a proud father son. I love seeing you try to make our family whole again

  • @pissqueendanniella4688
    @pissqueendanniella4688 Před rokem +3

    and this is why sunday is my favourite day

  • @Momao92
    @Momao92 Před rokem

    hey kiddo, amasing job! really looking forward to the complete retrospective

  • @AlmightyJ97
    @AlmightyJ97 Před rokem +10

    These videos cure my depression.

  • @Thealchemyoflife
    @Thealchemyoflife Před rokem

    I hope doing the games you love doesn't hurt you in the algorithm! Top notch content, and your hard work deserves comparative compensation!

  • @crabmansteve6844
    @crabmansteve6844 Před rokem +1

    I love these games no matter how different they may have been, the story and world-building alone puts it in my top 10.

  • @TajUrIt-
    @TajUrIt- Před rokem

    Love these vids! Keep it up!

  • @grandmastertymmx
    @grandmastertymmx Před rokem +3

    Hardcore difficulty on this one is pretty stressful.

  • @dullsunrise8820
    @dullsunrise8820 Před rokem +2

    While I do prefer the more atmospheric, horror-centric vibe of the first, I think DS2 absolutely nails the setting more, especially since it takes place just as the outbreak starts but from an interesting angle. A lot of zombie media either take place in more open areas, in the moment without the chance to take in everything, or some time afterwards. Issac is basically trailing behind as most people make a break for it, so he’s witnessing both the events and the immediate aftermath. Most of the residential areas of Titan Station perfectly capture how disturbing it all is, since it does feel shady enough when looking at the finer details and environmental storytelling (with elementary school in particular being a great example). The horror aspect is definitely extra subjective as a result since it’s more about the storytelling, though.

  • @drumrocka
    @drumrocka Před rokem +2

    If Dead Space was ‘Alien’, Dead Space 2 is ‘Aliens’.
    Both are in my favourite games ever list, for some similar and different reasons.

  • @Xenobears
    @Xenobears Před rokem

    The force gun is one of my favorite weapons in Dead Space 2-it’s great for keeping enemies at bay, quickly clearing hordes of weak critters, and is insanely powerful when fully upgraded.

  • @Assassin21BEKA
    @Assassin21BEKA Před rokem +3

    28:09 i disagree about it. Its the opposite, it makes it much more realistic, we are surviving on this station full of monsters with low amount of resources.

  • @thedadliestman
    @thedadliestman Před rokem

    Another banger, son. Good stuff!

  • @RazorBladezX
    @RazorBladezX Před rokem +2

    The madman goes to Dead Space 2. Oh baby

  • @youtubegoogleb
    @youtubegoogleb Před rokem +2

    Subbed to
    The channel after the first one of these, loving the second so far

  • @edwardmarlowe7926
    @edwardmarlowe7926 Před rokem

    Your channel and content are top notch

  • @tristinrev
    @tristinrev Před rokem

    I think an important point to remember is that a complete change in invironment is one of the bigger drivers of the action. Instead of a ship, we are on a massive space colony station.

  • @hihowrya370
    @hihowrya370 Před rokem +1

    I'm kinda late on this one but you can actually change the laser pointer in the setting. In the (I think) video setting, you can change it from "center" to "classic".

  • @PointNemoProduction
    @PointNemoProduction Před rokem +1

    Salt drops a DS vid. Now we got Son with a DS2 I picked a good day to go on CZcams

  • @legendsinit6019
    @legendsinit6019 Před rokem +2

    Best CZcamsr right here, holy shit the way you’re churning these vids out 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @deadshotdman6184
    @deadshotdman6184 Před rokem

    Fun fact about cysts, they in fact do not die immediately after shooting their explosive, they just are often positioned in a way that they'll kill themselves with their own explosive, after a bit of time though the live ones will "reload"
    And with the crawlers, it's also possible to kill them without detonation, with a headshot

  • @ripasstley8398
    @ripasstley8398 Před rokem +1

    This video is fantastic. Keep up the good work, son. I’m proud of you.

    • @chrisditoro3876
      @chrisditoro3876 Před rokem

      I feel like there needs to be a proud dad bridge. 🤣

  • @KadonGish-BTM
    @KadonGish-BTM Před rokem +3

    I love this game, it's my favorite of the series, and I am excited for the remake of DS1.

  • @the_wolf_of_willingboro

    Top quality video.. proud of you son 😊

  • @That_Ifrit_Guy
    @That_Ifrit_Guy Před rokem +1

    Idk as someone who never really got scared from playing Dead Space 1, Dead Space 2 is just a overall more enjoyable time for me~
    I'm still curious on what made the first one scary to so many people, even after watching your video on it.
    Now I'm not questioning that it isn't scary, so many people think it is so it's clearly a me thing lol, but I just wonder what it is and what I missed

  • @KlaykidReal
    @KlaykidReal Před rokem

    You can change the reticle to a dynamic one in the settings. Fantastic video!

  • @russellsmith3580
    @russellsmith3580 Před rokem

    i not so fondly remember playing this game and you hit all the key points. there was a point in the midgame (can't remember which chapter) that i had soft locked myself. i had no ammo, couldn't backtrack, couldn't progress. had to reset and start a new file.

  • @darthcarnage6734
    @darthcarnage6734 Před rokem +1

    Our son is the most underrated person on CZcams… we need to get him some more moms n dads

  • @tehparol
    @tehparol Před rokem

    such good narration

  • @ExoticFish12
    @ExoticFish12 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I never wanted to dislike so bad when you called dead space 2 an action game and didn’t mention the fact that its more horror than action

  • @noskes1
    @noskes1 Před rokem

    2:40 18:50 I remeber this part to well... Kindergarden necromorfs ware horrifying, it stuck with me.

  • @mizzymac9451
    @mizzymac9451 Před rokem +1

    you truly are my YourFavoriteSon

  • @GhostintheStacks
    @GhostintheStacks Před rokem

    That eye needle sequence has the most upsetting and amazing cinematic of you fail

  • @LordfizzwigitIII
    @LordfizzwigitIII Před rokem

    Woo! Every time you post you make my week, son. Hope that you're staying healthy & happy!

  • @Tubewatcherdude
    @Tubewatcherdude Před rokem

    32:48 There is an option you can toggle on to use the classic physical laser pointer style reticule rather than the center screen dot reticule the game defaults to. No one would’ve known about it unless they ran into it while configuring their controls in the options menu or were told about it so its still fair to nitpick detail I think

  • @GREYFLWRMUSIC
    @GREYFLWRMUSIC Před rokem

    "Almost like a small Velociraptor"
    I don't remember Stalkers being smaller than a turkey.

  • @adamfrazer5150
    @adamfrazer5150 Před rokem

    I love both Alien and Aliens, for obvious yet distinct reasons - but only one of those two films is capable of whipping up a hurricane of foreboding, panic and utter shock within the walls of my skull 😳

  • @goodtaste2185
    @goodtaste2185 Před rokem +1

    Good vid lad

  • @AD3SPG
    @AD3SPG Před rokem

    The voice for this channel just hits different very awesome

  • @bogbastard4243
    @bogbastard4243 Před rokem

    dead space 2 will always be my favorite rendition of the dead space series, from the environment of the newer cleaner ship to the set of weapons and suits available to us. the increased action focus isn't to the detriment of the horror atmosphere, to my tastes. this game is something very special, and the lack of controller support on pc for the steam version is truly saddening. the game was very much designed to be played with a controller, and you do feel that on the keyboard and mouse for sure. also, i totally forgot they tried to cover up the ishimura as a terrorist attack. that just makes me wonder though, did someone have to go through that whole ship and hose the place down? if you show me any given room of the ishimura, terrorist attack isn't quite what comes to mind.

  • @CaptSocrates
    @CaptSocrates Před rokem

    Hey kiddo, I’m sure you’ve already got plans for a series after Dead Space but I was wondering if you’re going to do any games I might have played when I was younger. The original Fallouts and System Shock were my favorites and I’m interested in what you think of them. Either way, keep up the good work. I’m really proud of you son.

  • @OberonFox
    @OberonFox Před rokem +2

    I can totally see why you feel Dead Space 2 is a devolution of the horror genre especially when compared to the first game however I do have to disagree. Horror is an incredibly complex set of genre's, not just a singular one. Examples would be how Alien isnt the same kind of horror as The Thing which also isnt the same as Oculus. Alien is atmospheric and monster horror, The Thing is paranoia and body horror and Oculus is psychological horror. None of the examples are "Bad" at being horror, just different approaches.
    Dead Space 1 went for an atmospheric horror mixed with a touch of body horror. Dead Space 2 leaned more towards the body horror and panic/stress horror genre's with a lot more graphic detail on the transformations, a faster pace making the necromorphs move even less human like and a much bigger emphasis on Survival Horror. Dead Space 2 wasnt a devolution in the horror genre, it just pivoted to panic horror which I personally feel it did really well. As for the point of always struggling with ammunition and health compared to the first game, that is quite literally the definition of a Survival Horror title. If you are never low on ammo, every encounter is just a matter of landing shots. If you are low on ammo, you need to make every shot count which increases the stress of the situation and forces players to be a lot more resourceful.
    On a side note: an issue developers need to be concerned about is if a game is too scary for the audience. Take Alien: Isolation as a good example; people loved it but no one outside of hardcore horror fans touched it themselves, only watching play-throughs and as such it initially sold disappointingly. It might sound backwards to make a horror game or movie less scary to be more enjoyable but if the audience is too scared, they will grow to hate that thing instead of enjoying the fear.
    For me personally, Dead Space 1 is a worse horror game than 2 not because its bad, but because its just TOO good at being atmospherically oppressive and as such it makes the entire experience too uncomfortable and unenjoyable compared to 2. The first game also had an abundance of ammo, health and everything else it could throw at you which made every encounter a breeze and as such the encounters themselves had no weight to them which conflicted with the masterful atmosphere and as such it destroyed a lot of the immersion for me.
    But yeah sorry for the massive rant, for the record I do love your vids and have watched quite a few, including all of your LoK retrospective and love them. It's just that part of the video that I had to disagree with as I am quite an avid horror fan myself. I suspect the reason it wasnt as scary for you is you just prefer Dread based horrors over Stress based horror but do correct me if I'm wrong!

    • @YourFavoriteSon1
      @YourFavoriteSon1  Před rokem +1

      You make some good points here. First of all, I disagree with comparing horror games to films, because films lack the element of immersion. Horror Games v. Horror Films are two completely different topics and I think their comparisons only go so far.
      I agree with your points about "Stress/Panic" based horror. This only goes so far though, because in my opinion, panic and stress horror rides a very fine line into the Action genre of games. I don't think you can necessarily make a panic or stress based horror game without it being at least a little bit an action game. I don't think these are through and through horror games, and I don't think they can be judged as such. At the end of the day, the "horror" definition in games is very subjective, and everyone is going to have a different idea of what is and isn't a horror game.
      I really appreciate your response and discussion. It's challenging and required me to think about my distinctions.

    • @OberonFox
      @OberonFox Před rokem

      @YourFavoriteSon Yeah movies vs games are very different to be fair. A better example would be something like Alien: Isolation (Atmospheric), System Shock 2 (Body Horror) and Silent Hill 2 (Psychological). As you say though, it is subjective as to how people see horror as a whole which is completely fair.
      Either way, keep up the great work! Looking forward to seeing you do Dead Space 3 as I suspect it will be an interesting one to cover, especially with the single player and co-op feeling reasonably different from each other due to unique events, the co-op environment as a whole and slight story changes!

  • @DumbArse
    @DumbArse Před rokem

    Quick Fun Fact: you can shoot off basic enemies spiky arms and shoot it at them to save ammo and kill them very quickly.
    In this and the first vid I get the fealing that you do not know this, you have one more game to get trough, it works there too, try it, it's incredibly satisfying

  • @MrPantslad
    @MrPantslad Před rokem

    man everyone is doing dead space videos right now, and imma watch all of them!

  • @jmooreftw
    @jmooreftw Před rokem

    OMG the ripper is ideal for dealing with the those litter swarmers.
    When I did my hardcore run 3000 years ago. I just used the plasma cutter and ripper to make sure I had enough ammo for each

    • @jmooreftw
      @jmooreftw Před rokem

      Pack they are called packs

  • @Aisaaax
    @Aisaaax Před rokem

    Stasis worked the same way in ds1. It was always an aoe used for combat mostly, as the number of puzzles that require it are counted on 1 hand.
    Brutes were also exactly the same. They have weak points on both shoulders, the back and the back of their legs. Attacking any of those a lot can amputate a leg/arm, slowing the brute down by a lot.
    I literally played ds1 ending today, and yep, the pods are there.

  • @adamfrazer5150
    @adamfrazer5150 Před rokem

    Horror, coitus and tOOL : the crescendo's best friend

  • @lizdevine2525
    @lizdevine2525 Před rokem +1

    I mean...sure it's a bad horror game...if you keep not giving it credit for the aspects that are genuinely unsettling. The Nicole visions, new monster designs (visual, sound, and movement)/concepts, the fucking eyeball needle, the entire intro, the truly well crafted scares, and the "power outage/horde enters the government sector" set-piece are just a few of the terrifying things that I remember of the top of my head that stuck with me. I feel like "horror" as a genre just needs to present the reader/viewer/player/listener with ideas that unsettle them in some fashion and DS2 has that in spades.
    As for the action/horror balance, I think the game handled it very well as a continuation of Isaac's story from the first. The ending of DS1 had already turned things up to 11 and it wasn't like the nature of the outbreak was going to be a mystery to the player or Issac this time, so instead the emphasis of dealing with the Necromorphs leans into the survival side of things while his left-over trauma is the main focus of the horror. Issac is a card-carrying Necromorph exterminator by the end of the first game and that hasn't changed, but what really haunts him is his guilt and regret. I also just never found the transitions between the action and horror focus all that jarring.
    Oh and lastly I'll completely just admit my biases. I'm a sucker for cathartic/happy ending horror. I'm a total horror junkie, and love it in most every variety. That being said, having the protagonist/PC start off as helpless, for the most part just holding on for dear life, only to have them steadily concurring their internal and external fears, and by the end emerging a badass is really my jam and I basically see DS1&2 as a whole package in that vein. Also the feeling of the level of intensity the second game maintains was uncannily similar to the abuse that was my time working in retail, so getting to work through those feelings in this format was really something unforgettable.
    I get your trying to frame this as a clear progression of the "loss of horror" or "action-ification" of Dead Space through the trilogy (of course I could be wrong, and if so I apologize), but I just really don't think these games can be summed up so neatly. So...hard disagree, but it's whatever. You do you, man.

  • @shipwreckedonapopulatedisland

    Fun fact Steve Papoutsis played bass in my teenage years favourite band No Use For A Name

  • @shredjward
    @shredjward Před rokem

    I really appreciate that you were willing to be critical of this game, and open about the fact that you think it didnt live up to the expectations it and the first game hD set you up with!
    Personally i think Dead Space 2 executes its horror excellently, just in a much different way than the first does. In my view, its like if Dead Space 1 is more slow burn horror, like a broad-strokes oil painting, Dead Space 2 lights the bottom of the painting on fire and tells the subject to run to the top before the flames engulf them. Its frantic and caustic and massive in scope of setting. If i had to give it a prefix, i think id deem it "meltdown horror"

  • @MemeLordCthulhu
    @MemeLordCthulhu Před rokem

    33:35 you can actually turn on the classic aiming method in the settings, at least on pc

  • @BloodyEveryday
    @BloodyEveryday Před rokem +1

    Dad's come back with the milk, definitely not because of dead space 2.

  • @XLEGOKILLERX
    @XLEGOKILLERX Před rokem

    i like how you try not to say Vent instead saying "maintenance hatch". The Struggle is real

  • @OnePolishMoFo
    @OnePolishMoFo Před rokem

    You can change the reticle in the options menu to it's original style. I always change it.

  • @morningstar9233
    @morningstar9233 Před rokem

    Great stuff, thankyou! Personally i found the fully upgraded Force Gun my go to weapon after the Plasma Cutter. Force Gun was almost OP when fully upgraded, felt like cheating but hey it was there. Fully upgraded Pulse Rifle for ranged attacks was more than sufficient. Loved Dead Space II and i agree it was more action than horror but i see it as Aliens compared to Alien. It would be hard to maintain the horror when having played the original Dead Space you kinda know the score, so it's not as scary/creepy anymore. Therefore ramp up the action.

  • @OnePolishMoFo
    @OnePolishMoFo Před rokem

    Dead Space 2 is consistently in my top 5 games ever. I think it's perfect.

  • @bluedul904
    @bluedul904 Před rokem +1

    I like to think of Dead Space 2 as if it is like Aliens, the sequel to Alien. Where the horror gets behind and the feeling is more chaotic than scary.

  • @RecentCobra
    @RecentCobra Před rokem

    One of my favourite enemies in Dead Space 2 were the Stalker's, just peeking around corners and running off like little gremlins

  • @CoffinSauceSipper
    @CoffinSauceSipper Před rokem

    Despite all my rage my favorite son has uploaded today

  • @oblx._
    @oblx._ Před rokem +1

    Awesome video, the Dead Space series was one of my faves growing up, and I'm eager to see how it'll be followed up in spirit by The Callisto Protocol in December. Glad you enjoyed the game, and while I do agree with you that Dead Space 2 places A LOT more emphasis on action compared to the first game, to say it's a bad horror game is also a bit of a reach imo. Horror can take many shapes, and in terms of Body Horror, Psychological Horror, and Existentialism, I would say 2 > 1.
    Dead Space 1 is definitely the scarier game, as it fills you with tension, a constant sense of dread, and it builds up actual scares , but I think in an effort to avoid retreading the same tropes, 2 looks towards other sources of inspiration for its horror, and focuses on more general horror concepts rather than the scares themselves. Personally I think your expectations for wanting something akin to the first game really tainted the second one for you, and honestly that's reasonable, but to claim it's a bad horror game because it doesn't focus on the aspect of horror you prefer is also going too far.
    Regardless though, that's kind of the magic of horror, different aspects affect people in many different ways, some things are more effective than others, and it's interesting to see different perspectives for the same piece of media :p looking forward to the rest of the series!

  • @EGommer1994
    @EGommer1994 Před rokem +2

    Great video. I love this channel. But this is the video where I disagree the most. I understand your points, and yes, Dead Space 2 is an action horror game. But in all reality, so is the first Dead Space. The first game is a far cry from survival horror if we're getting into the extremist definition of the genre. But that doesn't change the fact that Dead Space is absolutely amazing. And sure, Dead Space 2 is a little more action heavy. But I didn't find it much less horror than the first game for two games that are, indeed, action horror games. Honestly, I love the first entry, but I think I like Dead Space 2 a tiny bit more.
    But, nonetheless, we're all going to have our own opinions. And you were very thorough in stating yours. Keep up the great work. Again, love the channel. Looking forward to the next one!

  • @billmozart7288
    @billmozart7288 Před rokem +1

    Howard Phillips is the H.P. in HP Lovecraft

  • @kevskikane
    @kevskikane Před rokem

    I genuinely think think that horror does eventually mould into action. If you follow the same protagonist and look at the horrors he's been through, those same horrors won't have the same effect. The protagonist will be more prepared for to fight back against those horrors. The best example of this is Alien and Aliens...