Affordable Gun Challenge: Walther PPX vs. Taurus PT92
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In this episode of cheap guns we put the Walther PPX ($150 paid) up against the Taurus PT-92 ($150 paid). You get to vote for which one you think is the best value for the money! Look for the little (i) in the upper right corner of the video to vote!
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I love making gun snobs blood pressure sky-rocket, so PT92 AFS gets my vote.
Have an AFS as well. Along with a couple other Taurus pistols... no complaints here on any of them
cheap knockoff of a Beretta 92?
Taurus bought the Beretta facility in Brazil and employed the same personnel. the pt92/99s from the late 80s are great in my experience.
I have a newer PT92 & it's great. No plastic sights or anything plastic on mine. Aluminum frame & everything else is steel. Very accurate & reliable.
@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592 same no polymer and solid as a rock
I own a blued version of the PT92 and it is a wonderful pistol that is accurate, dependable, has a really nice trigger pull, and has never failed me in a lot of years since I bought it. I own a few other Taurus firearms and have found them to be fantastic firearms, despite what people say about them.
Honestly for $150 I'd take either one
Same. It's still insane to me that he snagged a ppx for that little. I gotta try this haggling thing at my local gun store next time in there.
B Fisher, I'm sure it helped that Tim is a gun dealer, don't think a lay person would have gotten it that cheap.
For $150, I still wouldn't take the Taurus, just out of principle.
The taurus goes for $350 used usually. Insane deal.
PT92 for the win
Tim, incorrect: Beretta *SOLD* the design to Taurus, along with the entire factory, tooling, engineering notes, et al when their contract to manufacture model 92s for the Brazilian military and police expired.
These are no more "knock offs" than the Zenith roller locked H&K guns that are manufactured in Turkey on tooling provided by H&K in tandem with factory training and technical support are.
Edit: n/m, you touched on the safety/decocker location as well...
And yeah, the quality of the finish on the blingey PT guns is lacking. Their blued/parkerized models are pretty decent. I'm not a fan of shiny, flashy guns. I prefer basic black, or FDE.
The stainless slide is nice, the alloy frame looks like it belongs to a drug dealer.
It probably did
Defineately the PPX wins. The grip does look funky, but it feels surprisingly comfortable. And Tim is 100% correct. The trigger pull is fantastic. I actually bought mine second hand for 200 bucks and used it at a front sight 4 day handgun course. It shoots as well my Sig P220. Just not nearly as heavy. It’s now a permanent house gun. Only down side was that I had to get a custom kydex holster made for it because nobody made a holster for it and not even the universal nylon Chinese holsters out there fit it.
brian foust I think the German pistols dominate the pistol market just my opinion . This Taurus pistol is probably the best thing that left there factory
ROFL at the implication that Taurus is as good as Beretta:
1) Beretta actually took care of their tooling, Taurus didn't.
2) Beretta got better tooling over time, while Taurus got worse.
3) Beretta got modern machining. If Taurus is still using the same tooling from back then, then that stuff is worn and useless now.
4) Beretta has a little thing called quality control and standards. Taurus doesn't.
A friend of mine has the Taurus 92 with the accro style adjustable rear sight. Eats everything he feeds it and shoots straight
shroom9033 so its a pt99
I am not a Taurus fan but I have seen several people with that Taurus PT 92 in our Gun Club and they speak very highly of them. Reliability their right up there with the Beretta 92fs
Have a pt92 afs blued finish first owner. Came with 2 17rds mags. The Taurus can use surplus m9 mags with a little help from a cutting tool if you take your time. Never had a malfunction with pt92. Not my favorite weapon by a long shot but will never sell it. Sorry Tim! Taurus quality control is corrected by excellent customer service if ever necessary. When I bought it I was poor and pt92 was a huge upgrade from my high point c9 that I bought when I only had $107.00 in the budget back in 2005. Great video
PPX grip looks like a fireaxe handle.
NO KIDDING, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID TO MYSELF LMAO.
I never thought of it that way, but now I can't un-see it!
It is rather comfortable though. At least in my average size hand.
I think they made it ugly on purpose.
perfect comment
Just for reference I do have orangutan sized hands and although I can envelop most grip types I can tell you there are still certain kinds that I cannot get along with..
I’d vote PT92...didn’t see a spot to vote. That particular PT92 is battle proven. 😂
I used to like this guy. now he is a brand basher?
I'm such a Beretta 92 platform fan, so my vote goes to the PT92. Greetings from Italy!
I have a PT92 and it's rear sight is steel.
So does mine I think we just got one that someone screw up. Because I see the stainless pt92's there pretty nice & the rest sight is steel & is stainless as well I think someone probably lost the sight & probably repainted parts in cheap crap paint
well, I'll vote for the Taurus because back in the early '90s I carried on duty a PT92 AF for about 7 years and trade it in about 1999 for a very expensive Walther P99 (paid the triple amount of money in the same store). The Taurus had traditional rifling vs the Walther with the polygonal an shorter barrel. I believe you should make a cronograph test, a speed test and a longer range shooting. Then you'll discover many more "details" as I did
I can attest to the Taurus being an amazing gun...owned 3 and never had a failure...the open top Beretta design is flawless
My first pistol was a Taurus PT 92, made in 1990. Rear sight is part of top slide, not dovetailed in.
It's accurate and has been extremely reliable for range/carry use. I don't like the lack of decocker and the DA/SA feature but otherwise, I can't complain. I probably would not buy a PT-92 with the dovetailed sights.
The older PT's had metal sights and are damn nice handguns.
Tim has an eye for a good deal, no doubt. But jason is not afraid to pull the "probable murder weapon" card. I mean that's a below the belt move, Jason, but gosh dang it. Its techically legal.
I had a Taurus PT945 which looked like the 92 with a closed slide. I traded it in on a Springfield Armory Range Officer and some case. This was the correct use of this Taurus. Love your site.
I would kill for that frame mounted safety to be an option on my M9 and my PX4.
You wanna trade? Just joking😎🤣
I own the PT92 , it has served me extremely well for 14 years, and I have NEVER had. Malfunction or problem with it !
Agree
Yep
Do you shoot it alot lol? Cause mine is picky on ammo
Mine didn't like flat nose fmj or wide hollow points, but the efk barrel didn't care. Great gun. Beretta alternative. Not a knock off. Machinery bought not copied.
The only thing in PT92 that breaks is the adjustable rear sight.
But seems they managed to also make a non-adjustable that moves.
PT92 wins, I just love the way the hammer looks when it's back on them :)
That taurus has more integrity, class, and elegance than you will ever have.
I love these videos with Jason. It provides a much needed break from the normal routine of things.
pt92 is taurus best gun they make have had a few of them never had one not work
Exactly... There's also the Pt100 on 40s&w ... The only Taurus I own and will ever own... Pt92 any beretta based design by them is better
Youre lied...its super low quality guns i ever owned...
@@georytdenbazz8255 you should just learn how to clean and care for your guns
Pt1911 I have rocks. Highly recommend it if you're not Taurus shy and looking for a 1911
I’ve owned a couple of Taurus handguns and loved them. Still carry daily one of them. I want one of the pt92 really bad and will be my next purchase. It is exactly a beretta clone- same parts , same factory, same machines, with a few very minor changes or improvements.
And both still run better than a Sig P365! 😂
"German engineering"
What a joke.
Uhh...the PPX seems ni-
Ooohhh, ooohhh! Shiny, shiny!
Sorry Tim, for $150 I'd go with bling.
The ppx is confused on its gender
LOL
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it's a transgunder model.
adam hauck It’s modular gender.
That explains the neutered hammer, its in transition from a DA/SA to a striker.
I myself would rather have the Taurus PT92 but in blue or black. I have had the Creed & after 1,000 rounds the feed ramp broke, then I found out it wasn't even made by Walther. Other good budget pistols, Tristar C100,P120,T120 etc. Also don't forget the Taurus Pt111 G2 or the G2C
The PPX is made by walther and a very very good gun. The trigger is one of the best and I can reliably shoot steel plates at 100 yards
PT 92 is the winner!
Whoo hoo!! You finally showcased the Taurus PT92! I love that gun! Poor man's beretta.
Some parts such as the locking link ARE interchangeable between the Beretta and Taurus. And I'll take a PT92 anyday, one was my daily carry for years
I feel sorry for you if you carried that thing for years.
LinkHyrule03 It was my fave carry gun to date and will be getting another soon as funds approve. I had a Glock one day, thats it one day and I quickly traded it for a 3 screw Blackhawk. Not a fan of plastic guns.
Wait, you traded a $500 Glock for a cheap Blackhawk holster?
Also, you know you can just buy a Beretta 92, right?
LinkHyrule03 Wow, where do I begin with that statement lmfao. One, it was a used Gen 3 19, no where near worth $500. Two, it was a Ruger Blackhawk, ya know, the finely made single action magnum revolver? Three, I only carry cocked and locked, and the Beretta doesn't offer that option.
One of my favorite videos you 2 have done!! You guys need to do MORE of these type videos!
This series is by far my favorite on your channel. I cannot wait to see what you guys come up with next time.
Havent watched the video yet. But I love my SS pt92. I outfitted it with cherry wood grips and it is a beautiful shooter!
I had an old pt92 non-decocker model and I polished it up, it didnt have any odd flaking or anything. It was a beautiful gun and never had an issue. I'm a gunsmith and I saw no problems with it. I even modified the magazine catch/release to use (and 100% reliably) work with my beretta mags and the single Taurus mag the gun came with. I'm still sorry that I traded that gun. People trash talk Taurus but I've owned many of them and I've never had a problem from any of them. Also my rear sight wasn't plastic.
Absolutely loved this video. Nice to see you guys break the mold even of your own videos.
Gota used PT-92 with a metal rear sight and it works great, even eats ammo others have warned me not to shoot like maxtech steel ammo. Chamber and feed ramp seemed polished before I got it, had no problems shooting it for years now. Been thinking about finding parts to go two tone. Black and stainless would be sweet.
Do they take glock mags? I was sold on the PPX, until I saw how shiny the PT92 was... I like shiny things.
I still voted for the PPX.
Absolutely yes they do not. They use assault clippazines.
Nomenclature! That is Evil Assault Clippazines! Geoff Who comments for the languages sake.
JKay11235 unless you're lucky enough to acquire an older model wherein those pieces came stock 😉
What are you from Firefly?
These cheap gun challenges are why this channel is way better than all other gun channels. More of these please
Gotta love the banter between them haha, how mac has grown as a CZcams over the years
It the rear sight wouldn't move on the 92, Jason would have won. But getting a "new" unfired gun for $150 is hard to beat
I don't know, the Walther has a very simple and reliable design.
Meanwhile, Taurus quality, for any of their guns, is bottom tier.
@@LinkHyrule03 the QC isnt grwat, but there are plenty worse. I.e. hi-point, cobra, jennings, raven, etc...
I have the Taurus pt92 for over 20 years. One of the most accurate guns I have. The only problem I had was the barrel block broke shooting too many +p rounds.
The commentary is the best part! But with guns too! Perfect!
I love these type of uploads! Please do more like this!
Had a hard time choosing as I like them both, but ended up voting the Walther PPX.
Now that said, I do have a very well worn Taurus PT92, bought new in July 1992, that has served me very reliably, and still does.
One thing that Jason needs to be very aware of is that the Rear Sight retains the Automatic Firing Pin Lock, whose Spring and Cap
will launch into low earth orbit, should the Rear Sight move over too far. Looks like the Metal Friction Plate that comes on the
bottom of the Plastic Rear Sight is missing.
Also, I recommend replacing the Taurus Locking Block with a current Beretta Locking Block. The older versions tend to break
and Taurus never upgraded this part, as Beretta did. Currently, my PT92 uses a 2nd Generation Beretta Locking Block and a
15 lb Wolff Recoil Spring along with a Wolff Firing Pin Spring.
I appreciate the heads up on the locking block. I reserve my +p+ for self defense, because I shoot the gun alot, and didn't want to beat it up.
I have been considering a spring replacement, so I might go ahead and do all of that.
I think Ill go for the Brazillian due to the fact that it is a fun mystery to wonder where it will hit due to the wandering rear sight :}
Die Nederlanders zijn ook overal he? Ik wou dat ik wat Nederlanders in me omgeving hebt waar mee ik kon schieten! I probably shouldn't assume you speak Dutch but there you go.
Taurus because I like Vans and rivers... And candy... At the same time.
Makes more of an adventure!
so it is one of the wander nines
@@bouchakhamphanh4406 the lords prayer? amen
Your channel keeps bringing it! Thank you so much for what you do and how you do it.
Down home Midwest Indiana friendly like.
Thanks Dave, you're not so deplorable after all! 👍😃
Cool. This is one of my favorite type of video you guys do.
"Walther synonymous with quality." I laughed so hard I peed a little. There were 6,000 P5 compacts with mismanufactured barrels imported in the 90's. They all had poor quality frames with defective finishes and poor quality aluminum. Walther knew about it all and released them anyway. Walther was one of the companies that tanked interarms due to crappy build quality. I have seen so many unreliable ppk's (read all ppk models chambered in 380 from 1960's to 1980's) if it wasn't for couch commandos and James Bond films they would have been discontinued in the 70's and rightfully so.
Robert Walker ..had 2 of the little .22's they make..one wouldn't lock back until I took Dremel tool and made the notch longer we're it should have been and had a PK.380 which was a nice little gun but couldn't get through a single mag without some kinda of malfunction. Traded that turd in for a Glock...not had much luck with Walther! ✌
You have to make a distinction between the Umarex manufactured guns and the original Walther Ulm plant. The Umarex guns like the CCP, PK380, and P22 are crap compared to the Ulm guns. The Creed/PPX is still an Ulm produced Walther and is a good gun, but sadly it borrows some design shortcuts from the Umarex family, like a three part barrel and modular breech. All in all Walther has been slipping ever since the PPQ and PPS.
I had a walther p22, I couldn't shoot a mag without malfunction, tried different type of ammo. I gave that piece of junk to my 12 years old daughter.
PT92 all day
The Taurus isn't a knock off. They bought a lot of Berettas old supplies and old factories so they're exactly like the old 92s. They look really nice too, especially when they're polished like that. Great video though, I'd be glad to have either
Great video guys!
In my personal experience my pt92 and pt96 were 100% flawless.
The Walther I currently have on the other hand......well.......I'd like to run 1 full mag without an issue but hey....everyone experiences something different I guess.
:-)
Huh, I didn't realize that the PT92 featured in Max Payne 3 was an actual product, and not just named that due to lack of licensing.
Max payne 3 is set in Brazil which is where the pt92 is made
If Christian Slater had a goofy cousin I think Jason would fill that roll nicely.
The Soggy Cheeseburger Incident bahaha
I think Christian Slater lives in a van down by the river too.
If MAC’s beard were a little bushier, he’d look like Kurt Russell in Guardians of the Galaxy.
I came to the comments section to say this, but you beat me to it!
The Soggy Cheeseburger Incident, yes! I knew his voice reminded me of someone, but I couldn't place it. Slater it is!
Love these videos. Material like this is one of the reasons that I am patreon supporter :)
Man it's been do long I thought y'all stopped doing this it'd been so long glad it's back
Jason almost had me with the candy.
Depends on what kind of candy. That could be a deal breaker.
I would rather have the Taurus. Rear sight can be replaced.
Walther has a no questions asked lifetime warranty.
That is cool. I just like the Beretta 92, and the Taurus is not a terrible copy. I bought one used back when I turned 21. It served me well and was covered by a lifetime warranty as well. It had to go back once for a broken extractor pin. I shot a lot of rounds through an already used gun at that point. I like Walther but I don't like the grip hump of the PPX. Now the PPQ on the other hand is amazing.
Yeah the PPQ is sweet.
I have replaced the front and rear sight of the PPX with trijicon night sights quite easily with no special tools required
Jason, that PT92, has a lot of sentimental value to me. She was my ride or die piece. I'm glad she found a good home while I was on vacation. Thug life baby...
As always, really good video!
I have a taurus pt99 pre lock and pre rail. Ive put well over 5000 rounds through it without A SINGLE HICCUP. I still wont buy Taurus, but my example is more reliable than any other gun I own (even glock).
Take that for what its worth.
Why isn't your Glock reliable?
Florida Man is the Glock unreliable in any way?
Weird, the hammer of my PT99 snapped in half within 500 rounds.
Taurus wouldn't cover it under warranty and the hammer wasn't compatible with a Beretta hammer.
@@ChuckNorrisUltra
+chrispewe
The glock is reliable, but I have had one or two fte or ftf (dont remember which)
Whereas Ive never had a single hiccup with the pt99. That being said, I carry a glock, not the Taurus.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
I have the Taurus PT 92 and a couple Glocks. I'm not saying this is the issue with your situation, but I did see my G26 FTE (stovepipe) when a certain individual out of a group us fired it. We all shot it again and it only happened with him. We looked into it and realized he was limp wristing the gun. His poor grip on the gun wasn't the Glock's fault.
How does Jason manage to keep scoring guns with body counts? Seriously, keep your eye on him.....
😂
For 150 bucks..you could afford a new ..metal..rear sight! No experience with the Walther..but have owned the PT 92 and it never let me down. Mine didn't have the decocker. And had metal sights! Love the back and forth guys! I think you both got a decent gun for that kinda coin! ✌
Great video Tim. Love the shirt.
damn I wish I could find these prices
I'll take the Taurus *_every damn time._* Taurus Beretta 'clones' have always treated me great save for their lack luster finish. Always skip the stainless models, unless you don't care. I've put hundreds rounds through the three models of them I've had over the years (92, 99, and 101) and I never had a single malfunction out of any of them.
But as a counter I've had to help a friend struggle through having to ship his Walther several tips back to the factory for repair. It wasn't a PPX thought, I think it was a PPS.
Yes! I'm always excited to see a new AGC video. You guys have great dry humor in this one. Regarding the ending of this video, those are wise words. Trust me, I am no stranger to used guns. Out of all the guns that I own, only one of them I bought new. Sorry Jason, but Tim has my vote on this one.
I love when you guys do this.
Against my better judgement. I vote Taurus........... Wheres my candy
Me, three! I want Hot Tamales.
Soooo... Where's the gauntlet been at? I assume you've been making them and gonna start releasing them before too long?
and when r we gonna see that sweet P-01 go threw it or an sp-01
These are my second favorite videos y’all do only second to the gauntlet videos
I like how they're going back and forth.
Sorry Tim I'm brazilian, I have to voto to the taurus
I am Brazilian too, but because of it I know Taurus doesn't deserve my vote.
same
Lemon that’s fine I’m Jamaican and I own this pistol. Taurus gets my vote.😎👍💯🇯🇲🇧🇷
Love my berettas and my buddy had a pt92. Soooooooo. Go Jason!!!
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Nice work done on your channel.
I was missing this segment lol great vid man
Is Tim wearing a Pinochet meme?
Yes
Its pretty cringy
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Jason the camerman looks a little bit like Tom Hardy, lol.
Sounds like Adam from the Goldbergs haha
I absolutely love this video series, and I wished that I could run across some bargains like that.
pt92 my first handgun. rear sight does not move. never failed with many different types of ammo. fun to shoot with my 33 round mag. i also have the walther creed. best full size bargain pistol.
at $150 I would say they are both winners.
The PT92 is about the only Taurus I would own...I shot one, it was ok. But for me I go with the Walther PPX for the win.
This new video style is badass!
Having you and Jason both going back and forth. My vote is for the PT92 since I love the M9 platform
You shouldn't vote just because of looks. The PPX smokes the taurus any day of the week.
On black friday, I walked into my range and saw a gen 3 glock 20 for 325. Instantly bought it, fired 100 rounds, sold it for 550, bought a CZ RAMI, now carry it every day.
pt92 because the governor killed zombie with it on the walking dead
Oh yeah. Taurus. The same people who ran Inter Ordnance (I.O.) and somehow made broken AK's.
Broken AKs? Thought that was Century Arms? Oh wait they also make those.
By all reports, I.O. AKs are worse...
So glad you guys did a video with the PPX! It does have a surprisingly great trigger pull. I'd say one of the best stock triggers for a piece in that price range. Hands down. I'm a fan. It's just fun to shoot.
Fun video guys. Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Military Arms Channel o crap I forgot to vote lol
Ooooh I love cheap guns, and by cheap guns I mean possibly high value guns
Keyword: possibly.
Walther wins twice, because the Beretta Design is a derivation from the Walther P38 action design :-P
Wait...so... After defeating the germans in ww2... We went from the 1911 to a design based off of the p38?! thats kinda funny... And pretty cool.
so good and funny , way to go guys , love your content.
Love these videos
MAC where did you get that black ring with the cross?
Where I get most everything, Amazon.
Military Arms Channel ditto. Thanks
Well if that’s where you get everything, I’m off to Amazon for that operator level beard.
And I don’t see the voting link, Jason got you again IMHO
Don’t forget the wonderful PPX 2 piece barrel that the feed ramp manages to come loose
Fun videos, keep em coming
Got to love the dogleg on the PPX. I got it years ago, and still have it. Love the trigger, it is one of my favorite triggers of all times! Great gun for the money,
smileydogg24 I have a ppx and a creed both with thousands of rounds through them. The creed is my truck piece and the ppx sits in my kitchen drawer. I love those guns and depend on them daily.
I work on German cars so I would need to say screw anything german. Go pt 92
Service position anyone? 😂
I do Brazilian waxes, trust ME go with the ppx
I used to love working on BMWs, and still do, provided they are manufactured before say 95 or so.
Would you rather have a German car, or one made in a 3rd world country?
Yup, price German parts and service and get back to us. 92 all the way.
I have a pt99 made in the mid 80s no decocker and no tuarus "lock out system" and love the hell out of it