How Reality Works, Chaos & Death, and Endings Explained (Elden Ring Lore 3)
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-- CHAPTER SELECT --
0:00:00 - Intro Sequence
0:01:54 - CORRECTION ONE: WHAT MAKES YOU AN EMPYREAN
0:11:31 - Specific Questions Regarding Empyreans
0:18:55 - Complaining
0:23:42 - "Get Over Yourself!!" (Fake Preface)
0:26:41 - Correction 2 - Preface
0:42:18 - CORRECTION TWO: THE UNIVERSE EXPLAINED, MORE BETTER THIS TIME
0:58:27 - Correction...? - Preface
1:01:13 - CORRECTION...?: WHY RANNI LOOKS LIKE THAT
1:13:48 - Teleportation
1:26:18 - The Meaning of Godwyn's Life in Death
1:28:36 - Reviewing Life in Code
1:31:14 - How the Power of Life Exists Deterministically (w the Crystallians)
1:37:33 - CORRECTION THREE: TWO AND A HALF OTHER THINGS
1:37:40 - The Rune of Death - Preface
1:43:12 - The Rune of Death - What it Actually is and Does
1:49:14 - Last-Minute Addition: The Two Moons
1:55:29 - The Flame of Frenzy and Chaos
2:02:31 - About the Endings...?
2:10:55 - Ending Sequence - Hry
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How the hell is your sub count so low, the algorithm really needs to push your stuff more, some of the best Elden Ring lore content out there.
Exactly, I had been searching for the first video in the series for months because the algorithm just won't push me his vids enough
Aye its poor. This content is up there with tarnished archaeologist in my opinion, in terms of really getting you to think deeply about the lore and various concepts.
Because he spams the word ”fucking”
I have been rewatching the previous two episodes many times in the last months and I still believe they're some of the most impressive lore hunting in fromsoft history. Can't wait to dig into this one!
Absolutely love the depth of this show! I always walk away from every ep with, not just details I hadn't noticed or considered, but also a more cohesive understanding of just how coherently every narrative element of this game fits together. It's so nice to have my love and appreciation of this game refreshed and enlivened whenever you post a vid or a community update about your research and production process. Take care and be safe!
Wow, you never disappoint! That was quite the wild ride through quantum metaphysics. 😊🎉
Of course, now that I’ve watched this, I will immediately head back to Episode 1 & just rewatch all 3 episodes. There’s just so much info to absorb!
Thanks, Snake-Eyes. You do good work. I’ll donate soon, just waiting till monthly payday.
Cheers!🍻😊👍💜
Your section about code and determinism reminded me of this amusing saying I heard from my past "Everyone is free to do their desires, but no one is free from their desires".
I keep watching and rewatching this ep, and dang. I love your writing and humor, lmao.
37:23 this whole preceding segment on objective/ subjective is beautiful, thank you. I write fanfic on occasion, and it seems kind of pointless to go off the map into my own story if i don't acknowledge the terrain i leaving. You're mapping the terrain in an awesome way.
Great video! Very informative and conceptually rich. I'm certain I'll be watching it again multiple times to process it all properly. With any luck, we'll be seeing Shadow of the Erdtree come out soon and have it build upon or correct some of these points to structure an even more powerful narrative. Cheers!
It’s nice to watch someone format everything I’m thinking about when I’m thinking about the Lands Between (which is too often, tbh). Sometimes I just have too much to drink and I ask myself “Wait, how does that make any sense” about some random lore aspect of the game and I immediately need to dive into the research. Thanks for the good work!
Another mind blowing episode, great job!
I prefer TA's interpretation that the missing portion of Leyndell is the Nameless Eternal City and has been missing for a longer time than Granssax's attack
1:42:45 In this timeline, you put the night of the black knives before the death of the erdtree, but wouldn't it make more sense if the erdtree burns/dies, the cycle of life of the erdtree comes to a sudden halt, all the blessings/energy is gone, which causes political trouble for the order, and Marika tries to cover it up by sealing away destined death; because if the erdtree cycle isn't working, nobody would notice if death is not certain anymore, right ... and on top of that, the erdtree is protected as well, because death is not destined anymore, maintaining the facade. And after sealing away destined death, Ranni steals a fragment, Godwyn is murdered and the rest is history. Or am I missing something?
I think The Elden Beast is the equivalent of Constellations on a large scale. It's shape is a combination of a dragon, a fish, and a whale; possibly inspired by the Cestus-Pisces Cluster in which Pisces is our current astrological age (Aquarius is next). Pisces is the dual fish constellation, one male (Radagon/Gold) and one female (Marika/Silver). Cestus is the whale constellation (Elden Beast). The Laniakea Supercluster is possible inspiration for The Elden Beast's central nervous and circulatory system. Radagon/Marika becomes the weapon (Pisces) in its hand, the same hand of the Laniakea Supercluster where our Milky Way Galaxy and local Solar System are located. The Elden Beast is representative of an Age of Golden Stars and it's age has been coming to an end for a long time and should have ended already but it wants to live longer than fate(death) will allow so it used and manipulated Marika and everyone else to create a stale mate where it can live forever in a temporal loop. The Greater Will starts with the The Cosmic Formless Mother (Primordial/Oblivion/Abyss/Void/Pre-Existence) and is then continued through her first birth/child, The Primeval Current, which is Space/Time and Expansion. You see where this is going I'm sure. The Greater Will is The Eternal Formless Mother using the Eternal Land Mother to summon us Tarnished and implement her strategy to win back control over The Lands Between using the Universal Law of Regression to bring The Elden Beast and our current astrological age to its end. God Slain.
I think this is your best vid yet! ✨
Beautifully put.
When Marika is telling her children to make something of themselves lest they be forsaken, she mentions that they can either become Gods, or Kings/Lords. Which, you know, makes sense: of Marika’s children, three had potential godhood. All the others, the males - Rykard, Radahn, etc, had the potential of becoming Elden Lord - hence those that partook in the Shattering, namely Godrick and Radahn. Miquella’s situation is weird as he is the twin brother of a female Empyrean who would have been Marika’s heir had she not been born with rot if her Great Rune is anything to go by + the whole matriarchal thing, but still, I just thought it was a neat detail.
Absolutely love your channel man. Seriously been waiting for your next drop since the day you last posted.
But no fucking way you used a picture of Elmo when referring to Muppets... And when you made the corporeal blue, and the ethereal red in your magenta analogy, that drove me crazy lmao. I kept thinking "its like the perfect comment bait lol"
Again love your stuff.
I think the single god birth is a case of affirming the consequent.
“Miquella had a house fire, as such he is late to work” does not mean “the only reason Miquella can be late to work is because he had a house fire.”
We know that being born of one god makes you an empyrean, but it doesn’t tell us anything about what (in all cases) makes someone an empyrean. There could be many ways of being one, but we know for sure being born from one god puts you in that category.
im here for it
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" Croissants are on sale today at the bakery.
_As_ _such_ ,they are cheaper than yesterday, _but_ they will sell out quickly"
Is this pair of sentences sufficient to demonstrate that 'but' conjoins two outcomes of the same cause? I don't believe we use 'as such' and 'but' always and only in the way you mention.
I don't really have a horse in the empyrean-necessary-conditions race, but I think the use of 'but' in the sentence you dissect seems to be equivalent to 'and', but is reflective of one outcome of being born of a single god as "good" (being an empyrean) and the other is "bad" (suffering an affliction).
Your reading is one reading that can be true, but there is nothing about the language itself precluding the other interpretation. (Source: I'm a linguist, but admittedly neither a syntactician or semanticist, although I do teach those subjects at a college level)
I hope this is not polemical to bring up-- you seem especially invested in the point about grammar, but I felt it was important to challenge that your intuition about this meaning was more valid than the alternative(s)
My conclusion accounts for the context of the rest of the game. Not just the minutiae of a single sentence. If Malenia's Remembrance was the only point of information that existed, it would be ambiguous. But it is not.
That being an Empyrean is supposed to be unambiguously a 'good' thing in the first place is also a presumption. Something I'm not allowed to use.
Your credentials are nice, but as I said in the video, the grammar itself is ultimately not important.
Imma be a donator so soon definitely
Ay girl, just 1 small problem with the timeline at 1:42:44 . We know that, on the Night of Black Knives, the rune of death was stolen from Maliketh, meaning it takes place AFTER it was sealed away. The Night of Black Knives cannot take place before the rune of death was removed from the elden ring.
There's other evidence for this, too. Since Miquela and Radagon conversed about the Golden Order, and traded Golden Order incantations, the Godlen Order must have preceded the Night of Black Kinves, assuming that it and Marika shartering the elden ring took place back to back. Since, as you said in video 1, Marika shattering the ER is what caused Radagon to re-conjoin into Markias body, where Radagon is from. Thus, trapping himself inside the erdtree for the entirity of The Shattering (war), unable to communicate with Miquela, and trade incantations as we know they did.
So, assuming that the removal of the rune of death did indeed indicate the beginning of the golden order, the timeline Must be: Age of Godfrey/The Erdtree/Plenty, The Erdtree dies at somepoint, The removal of the Rune of Death, Age of Radagon/Age of the Golden Order, the Night of Black Knives.
If I missed something, please correct me. Didn't mean to come off as snarky "erm, atchually."
If, however, I didn't fuck something up, and you did in fact accidentally miss the forest for the trees, so to speak, then please let me know that too so I can be a little vindicated in helping paint a slightly clearer picture of the world :)
Rykard at Mt Gelmir most likely made Erdtree Worship illegal, since he eventually aligned himself with (and later devoured by in a bid to increase his power) the Serpent against the Erdtree.
This was a great lore dump, equal to how passive agressive it was ( let it go dude theyre not worth it)
Great vid man, very good corrections to common missinformation,
and reeling it back to remember that this is a story by an author & how fans can view it diffrently was a nice reality check
(and as somebody who cant grammar to save my life, just say to a correction "yes" & move on, no rage, just move on)
Keep speaking the truth. I'll listen to this analysis gladly over another obscure reference to a red queen while blatantly misreading the simple text in the game.
Great video. I'm a bit confused by one part. I think you said earlier in the video, that the Erdtree did indeed die in the past, but then the Rune of Death is still necessary to kill it off in the end. We're killing the golden painted facade, but you also mention the thorns inside, which grow from the tree that is rotting but not yet dead, can only be "killed" by the rune of death?
man is really writing the thesis on the metaphysics of the souls universe.
Well done.
Knocked it out of the park yet again!
In the timeline you show, does the "Night of the Black Knifes" has to be relaced by "Sealing destined death"? (min 1:42:43 )
Giving this another watch as you have done a fantastic job of articulating the logic of its universe, I had a eureka moment with what Godwyn is in comparison to the real world. He is technically someone in a coma. The body is active but the mind is not. Either way this comatose body is a seedbed of continuous rot because its lack of will doesn't produce the motions to wash off the rot like dead skin cells allowing the accumulation of things like bacteria and fungus to feed on the body until wiped clean by a carer. Fromsoft always impresses me with how they lean on real world aspects and turn them into creative game mechanics.
Love this
@t-l-g-t-w Are you saying Marika sealed death long ago at the beginning of Godfrey's reign, to prevent the erdtree from dying, but it died anyway? Or are you saying it died, and then death was removed from the elden ring? Great video!
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I will be donating once I get another job
On the subject of what makes an Empyrean, I agree that the factors that make someone qualify to be an Empyrean is bluntly stated to be that they are born of a single god, I also think that while not explicitly stated, there is a second factor also dependant on ones birth.
Let's look at all the Empyreans.
Marika, Ranni, Malenia, Miquella, and The Gloam-Eyed Queen.
I believe looking at the commonality between them, will become more obvious if we look at the list of gods as well.
Marika, Godfrey, Godwyn, Morgott, Mohg, Godrick, Godefroy, Radahn, Rykard, Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia.
So if we compare the lists, what commonality can be seen?
The primary factor in being an Empyrean is that they are predominantly all women.
But then there is Miquella, a wrench in it.
However if we look in the game we can find a figure which is subtextually associated with Miquella, St. Trina. Even without cut content they are still associated.
With cut content however, it reveals that Miquella and St. Trina are one in the same.
What I take this to mean is that St.Trina is Miquella in the past, and Miquella was born a woman.
Miquella is stated to have at one point been really faithful like his father but no longer is.
So this would align somewhat, Miquella was born a woman named Trina, became a saint, became disolusioned with the faith, became Miquella and identifies as a man now.
But this just means that, to be an Empyrean you must be two things, born of a single god, and born a woman, though you can identify as a man later on and still qualify unless you kill yourself and become a doll lady.
The reason I think this is required is that, the greater will wishes not only to control the god, but also the bloodline.
This is why every other male demigod is not an Empyrean despite being perfect for the job of God, they cannot give birth, therefore their children would be outside the greater wills control.
Long reply but bear with me. I agree with most of what you are saying, but with regards to miquella, I don't think that he was female in the past, I think it's more like st Trina is his alter ego when he's asleep (consider that st Trina is generally associated with sleep). Before mohg kidnaps him, he's resting in a cocoon; likely going through a period of metamorphosis. It could be that at the end of that process he emerges as st Trina, or has qualities of them both.
Tarnished Archeologist had a great theory that what makes someone a candidate to be an empyrean is that they have (or could have) a womb; enabling them to be vessels of the Elden ring. Consider that when we see Marika/Radagon at the end the mangled remnants of the Elden ring is literally in his/her abdomen.
Also consider that of the known empyreans, for 3 of them at least (Marika, Ranni, and GEQ) there is no evidence that they were produced asexually; that's only true for miquella and Melania.
@@adamh8101 i had not considered the duality as a possibility but it would make sense. as for ranni's birth, i think she was born asexually but renalla just adopted her. As for marika and geq, we can't know either way as it is not discussed, so there is equal evidence against and for.
@@peachibread1983 I think Ranni being adopted is certainly possible, and it would explain why Rykard rebelled in such a dramatic fashion; a non-blood carian swooped in and inherited his legacy. To that point though, it's the golden order that Rykard is opposed to not Caria.
I like the theory, I wonder if there are any details I missed that specifically point to it.
A great piece, I laught a little on the empyrean part since I have no qualms about the item description of Malenia. Now that I think about the Erdtree and your timeline between the Age of the Erdtree and the Age of the Golden Order, what do you think about the ash we find when we enter the Royal Capital ? I do not recall if any item description explain things or not, but it puzzuled ever since I saw it on my first run and the very first video of Tarnished Archaeologist on the matter. To me, it seems logical that the Erdtree burnt at some point in time, if the Erdtree lost its vitality or sap, I don't understand how several millenia or centuries after that, it could still be standing, luminous and radiating.
You are correct, obviously the luminous Erdtree is some sort of shell, combined with parts of actual wood (at the entrance and some branches in the canopy for some weird reasons). Obviously this layer is generated by the current configuration (or Order) of the Elden Ring itself. However, despite the holographic abilities of the ER, this ash cover is most logically linked with the Tree, since the cover extends when we burn it at the end of the game. Item descriptions and illustrations show that before, the Erdtree was an actual tree and not already a luminous icon of the Greater Will's power on the Lands Between. So i tend to understand that someone tried to burn the Erdtree, but it didn't worked as well as we did, later (don't ask me when exactly tho). Tarnished Archaeologist thinks it must be Melina, I personally say we cannot know for sure. I really hope Shadow of the Erdtree will give us some clues on the transition that occured after the Age of Plenty x)
You have some ash in the palace, near the entrance of Queen Marika's bedchamber. I believe that the wind would have spreaded any ash away from a wide open space like the Throne plateform. Plus, you do not need to burn the entire Erdtree to create a small ash layer, but if the Erdtree sap stoped flowing, maybe the failed burning was intended as a deathblow to a useless Erdtree (in the context of the Age of Plenty). However, even if it failed, the destruction would require the creation of a luminous layer around the dead Erdtree, via the Elden Ring, to keep appearences, in a manner of speaking. That is just speculation of course, I am just trying to create some logic or sense in all these vacuous clues.
Since we’re talking about wording (and I don’t remember if you brought this up in an earlier segment) but there’s something grammatically ambiguous about the description of the Elden Beast in the Elden Stars description:
“This legendary incantation is the most ancient of those that derive from the Erdtree.
It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.”
To “become” intuitively implies “beginning to be”. But when we use it in other contexts, like when discussing clothing, we are reminded of the separation between the two interacting entities: “The dress became her.” Meaning “she” exists (or at least existed) independently from the dress.
It is entirely possible, in fact it is implied in several other descriptions and (IIRC) in the Placidusax remembrance, that the Elden Ring existed before Marika and that Placidusax was an Elden Lord who just served a different god. All this to say that the Elden Beast becoming the Elden Ring could just mean it adopted the role of the Ring, rather than being the root of its inception.
Hey so… can you explain what you meant by the Adoption line in question 4? I still don’t understand how adoption a child answers that question.
Rennala accepted Ranni as her daughter (be it by choice or some other sort of tomfuckery that made her believe she was hers) , and Radagon enforced the secrecy or "confidence" of that truth on the preceptors through the Mask of Confidence.
Speculation time, is the erdtree existing like Ranni? Is the fierce rite how Marika became the vessel to the elden ring? Is the Helphen just the function of the lands between and the original tree was a usher for the dead? And by sealing away death she was "blessed with grace" (cursed with undeath)?
Yay!
Is there a reason behind the “I’ll be yours” catchphrase? Is it from something?
It's just me.
I appreciate your Candor and your Autism, Danke.
not sure if you read comments on your vids that often, but the timeline at 1:42:42 incorrectly places the NotBK BEFORE the Golden Order (destined death removal), when we know for a fact that the Golden Order had ALREADY been created by the time of the NotBK, since the destined death used to kill godwyn was stolen from Maliketh rather than the Elden Ring itself. Or what youre trying to say is that the golden order's creation isnt synonymous with destined death's removal, idk i was kinda lost at the point you were trying to make in this part of the vid, to be completely honest.
edit: also at 1:48:17 you talk about the erdtree being translucent from some locations, but its just a bug that can be fixed by using the telescope. You dont even have to go in-game to test it yourself, the footage you recorded for the vid already has the erdtree appearing as not translucent (going frame-by-frame its possible to see your character in the telescope animation, id assume its something to do with toggling freecam).
Wtf I missed this
1:42:44 what? how does this timeline make any sense to you? It is an established fact that miquella and malenia KNEW godwyn. (source: golden epitaph) How could this possibly be the case if he died before they were born?
This is absolutely baffling. We also know that godwyn fought in, and ended, the ancient dragon war. Did he do this while he was a mermaid???
Clearly the plot took place after the ancient dragon war, when (presumably) ranni was bethrothed to godwyn.
why would they even need to steal destined death if it hadn't yet been removed from the elden ring?
it is near explicitly stated that the plot was the catalyst for the collapse of the golden order, which you seem to claim didn't even exist at the time.
@@HeavensRipper-he4sz regardless, miquella and malenia were obviously around way before the night of the black knives. And they were born only after radagon and marika married.
@@HeavensRipper-he4sz Obviously the shattering of the elden ring was essentially the end of the golden order, or at least their power. But back to my main point, how could godwyn have died before radagon became king consort, and thus before miquella and malenia were born?
@@HeavensRipper-he4sz I cannot see that being the case at all. That is tantamount to claiming they were born outside of marriage, which doesn't seem right given the time, and more than likely would have been stated. I guess we'll see in the dlc
Big fan. Spared you from another encyclopedia-length CZcams comment on your first episode of this series. After considering your arguments, even redrafting my comment once or twice, I realized the majority of your points were fairly unarguable with our current understanding of this universe. You dissect this game better than virtually anyone else on this site.
_However._
I will still dreg this shit up:
- “Bill is a garbage man. AS SUCH, he makes an honest day’s wage, BUT comes home stinky every night.”
There are two separate conjunctions to blame for this clusterfuck.
- AS SUCH is a bizarre phrase often (incorrectly) considered interchangeable with “Therefore.” They have a severe overlap in utility, including here, but they are nonetheless distinct. “Such” is used here as a _pronoun,_ with the antecedent “a garbage man.” Consider:
- - “AS [a garbage man], he makes an honest day’s wage, BUT comes home stinky every night.”
- BUT is a coordinating conjunction, denoting contrasting (we’ll come back to that) clauses of equal semantic weight, each capable of carrying the sentence itself. Consider:
- - “Bill is a garbage man. AS SUCH, he…”
- “…makes an honest day’s wage.”
- “…comes home stinky every night.”
This means some perfectly cogent ways to convey the information we wish may include:
- “As a garbage man, Bill makes an honest day’s wage.”
- “As a garbage man, Bill comes home stinky every night.”
- “As a garbage man, Bill makes an honest day’s wage AND comes home stinky every night.” (AND may also open coordinating conjunctions, but lacks the comparative properties BUT enjoys)
What BUT does _not_ convey, especially not here - opening a _dependent clause with no subject in it_ - is some independence from the antecedent of SUCH. Consider what that would look like:
- “Kevin is an investment banker. AS SUCH he enjoys numerous stock options in his portfolio, BUT has a Goldfish named Tom.”
That’s “wong answer on the SAT” level bad writing. It’s so bad I accidentally reiterated the subject of the sentence in that clause _twice_ while drafting this comment (“BUT *[he]* has a Goldfish named Tom”) in an instinctive, desperate bid to make the sentence read less awkwardly. I made this mistake twice because this is a semantically distinct idea, and, as such (lol), it deserves an entire sentence to itself.
“BUT,” in the context of Bill, the garbage man, is used to denote two pieces of contrasting semantics with nigh identical syntax: i.e good respectable thing vs gross stinky thing. Or, y’know, the divine authority inherited by Empyreans vs the supernatural vulnerabilities afflicting the twins. If you wanna make this about video games again for some reason. Good respectable birth vs gross stinky birth.
For a quick recap, an absolutely normal way to read the text in question:
- “Miquella and Malenia are both children of a single god. AS [children of a single god] they…”
- - “…are both Empyreans.”
- - “…suffered afflictions from birth.”
If they were meant to describe effects of different phenomena, they would have been described in different sentences. Their maladies are the result of their freaky magic self-cest conception. Very GRRM imo.
//Source: my Minor in Creative & Professional Writing from the University of Pittsburgh. Take any disagreements up with their English Department. The number is 412-624-6506.
PS: Still an enormous fan of yours, btw. You’ve genuinely colored my perception of wtf happened in this game more than virtually any creator I’ve sought out. I cannot wait to watch the future of your career, Snake Eyes.
Possibility is not relevant to me. Empyrean is a fictional term, so there are literally infinite possibilities.
My only concern is 'currently.'
@@t-l-g-t-w I’m not entirely sure if you meant to comment an identical response to the other guy, but I am actively attempting to prove your interpretation wrong here, not that I have an additive opinion on the “possibilities” open to the magic vunderkinds. It is _impossible_ that Miquella & Malenia’s affliction is independent from their parentage. The language of the Great Rune is exceptionally clear. _You_ are the one reading it wrong.
Pardon me. That was my mistake. I don't think your interpretation is accurate. I'm drawing from more than singularly the text of the Remembrance itself. There's the context of the entire rest of the game that I'm using to come to my conclusion, not just the minutiae of a single item description.
If being born of a single god *was* how the Twins got their disabilities, that'd be contradicted by Ranni not having had a disability herself--despite all three being Empyreans. Hence, the disabilities must have come from something else--with the rest being as presented in the video.
@@t-l-g-t-w - In the last 24-ish hrs I've finished this video & rewatched bits & pieces of the first one so as not to misrepresent your position. (& also bc it was all really fuckin cool)
I'm glad I did. I had a long-ass, circuitous cycle of logic to guide through about where I think you're making a mistake, but after watching the first video I realize it's not necessary. You actually just contradicted yourself in episode 1, at the timestamp 1:58:33. You more or less acknowledge, there, that the twin's unique parentage is the source of their affliction. That Ranni's birth is comparatively different - either via treesap or purely by the quirk of being a naturally born female demigod (my take)- this explains why she has no comparative disability. Going purely by the text of Malenia's Remembrance, however, this would seem to imply the narrator does not consider Ranni "born of a single god" despite how convincingly you've argued it.
Gotta love when the desire to prove someone wrong leads to arriving at same conclusion. Thats comedy lol.
Empyreans seem to be female or androgynous (the latter in the case of Miquella). Radahn and Rykard never become Empyreans at all, only Ranni.
I've always thought that "the unborn" was referring to Malenia instead of Ranni. Cuz' Ranni effectivaly was born into the world, she grew up, and THEN she discarded her body during the night of the black knives incident. Now, she possesses this rune, but also she was able to have a fragment of the rune of death. (Don't know how, considering Maliketh, but also it could be her encounter with the Gloam-eyed queen. Don't know for sure) Pretty resourseful, as usual though. Malenia on the other hand, was created at the foot of the erdtree, and she was bodyless. Meaning; She was born, BUT not really, as you described in this video, She only inhabits "the spirit world". Also, the Empyrian framing to me it's kinda sloppy, in the sense that the two fingers choose them, and the fact that Ranni needed two kill her own in the game is very telling she didn't succeded entirely, unless a tarnished helped her. I always thought to myself "Empyrians" was royalty bullshit excuse of "my right to kingship is a divine right" After all no one can understand what the fingers are really saying lol. I really like your theory though, and I would be totlly fine if I'm wrong. Just talking my mind here. I would say a good way to be sure of language analysis, it is going to the Japanese sourse first and then contrast it with the english version for a healthy middle ground between interpretations.
small nitpick: while talking about how Godwyn would be a great candidate for godhood given his political feats involving the dragons, you attribute the missing half of the city to Gransax's attack. However, the story trailer shows a battle from the Shattering where forces march on a certain gate. As far as I can tell, that path and gate would have just lead to the empty abyss, implying that that section of Leyndell was still intact at some point in the Shattering (and thus after Godwyn was already dead).
That's not what t-l-g-t-w said. Also, watch ep 1 regarding the shattering. And wait till ep 4 regarding the missing parts of leyndell.
So Ranni isn't an empyrean anymore because she killed her body, but has a new, resurrected, unborn body inside the amber egg which she can use without manifesting her spirit to puppeteer it ?
So that makes her the unborn demigod both because she's dead and because she's not (re)born from the egg. it feels convoluted, but ties everything up nicely.
I wonder if this whole situation is connected in some way with the rune of the unborn not needing to be activated like other great runes.
Absolutely bored me to tears, but in the same way a comprehensive college science textbook would. Great work
When you state the difference between the unconscious and conscious parts of us you put the subcategory of subconscious under conscious, could you give some examples of what would be subconscious actions as the examples given to conscious I belive don't fall under subconscious and are acts you have to think about
Subconsciousness isn't ultimately a seperate thing in the first place. It's still just part of what's called the consciousness.
I think you're trying to force the Ranni being asexually produced by Marika angle. Sure she could've been adopted, but nothing in the game suggests that. There's the cuckoo symbology, but that also works just by Marika tricking Renalla into raising her child; which she did as Renalla didn't know who Radagon really was. There's no reference to Ranni being adopted; as far as we know she is the child of Renalla and Radagon just like Rykard and Radahn.
Just because Miquella and Melania have the unique circumstance of being produced asexually from a god, doesn't mean that's required for them to be Empyreans. It's probably enough that they're children of a god. In fact, divine lineage may not even be necessary. After all, there's no reference to Marika being born of a god; only that she was sufficiently powerful enough to be the vessel of the elden ring.
The main thing that connects all of the empyreans is that they are female and have wombs (in Miquella's case there's a strong argument that his alter ego is St. Trina, who is presented as female). Thus they're all physically able to be vessels for the elden ring, and are able to produce a generation of gods.
You are way, waaay too confident in your opinion that empyreans are born of a single god, when of the 5 known empyreans, only Melania and Miquella are born of an extremely unique circumstance. If you're suggesting that the other 3 are also born of similarly EXTREMELY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES without any tangible evidence that this is the case, then you're being dumb and arrogant.
You're making a god of the gaps argument. We don't know how Marika was born, therefore her mother, despite being potentially mortal, impregnated herself. Just because Marika did this as a god, with 2 of her many children.
We don't know how GEQ was born; therefore her mother must have been some kind of worm creature that asexually produced her, just because of how Melania was born.
As far as we know, Marika replicating herself somehow and then impregnating herself is the only time such a thing has happened in this universe.
Nah, she's empyrean so she has to be born of a single god. His argument makes sense.
setting the affliction part aside because it's not super relevant, i agree that malenia's remembrance states that:
being born of a single god -> being an empyrean
but that doesn't mean that:
being an empyrean -> being born of a single god
that's affirming the consequent
as an analogy, consider the following statement:
"John was born in the United States as such, he is a US citizen."
you cannot conclude from this statement that all US citizens were born in the United States, and indeed if you did you would be incorrect, as there are a number of other ways to obtain citizenship.
Therefore, while any person born of a single god is _automatically_ an empyrean, there could be other ways to qualify for the distinction.
this is further supported by ranni's quote "*Of the demigods*, only I, Miquella and Malenia could claim that title" which implies that there was at least one empyrean who wasn't a demigod at all; with no divine parentage to speak of, singular or otherwise.
Possibility is not relevant to me. Empyrean is a fictional term, so there are literally infinite possibilities.
My only concern is 'currently.'