Burning Oxygen In Propane Atmosphere
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- Strike a match in a pure hydrocarbon atmosphere and nothing happens but what if you have a source of oxygen?
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Next step is to try running a model jet engine in a combustible atmosphere with oxygen as the fuel source.
Scott Manley no surprise finding you here :D great idea!
Perhaps in KSP?
lol That'd be awesome! ^_^
... from a safe distance! :-)
*Yes!! Titan SSTO/Spaceplane!!*
In a parallel universe, Hank Hill sells oxygen on Titan
Abdega oxygen and oxygen accessories
Methane would be the bastard gas...?
👏👏👏👏👏
What's the equivalent of charcoal in this parallel universe
Dio Brando wood
cleanest flame I've ever seen
@Havla Fitta lol.
Mixtape of something uhh... a thing?
Havla Fitta Lmao
Ranger Furby You have the same profile picture that I used to use for a couple of years.
I was going to explain to you why it's cleaner but now I'm onto mixtapes.
Insurance company: "So, you were blowing air into a propane atmosphere?"
"While trying to burn it, yes."
I don't remember saying that.
The ratio must be maintained
No its oxygen, theres many different things in "air"
Tony. But there was oxygen. Literally an oxygen flame right there on video. Smh
"That planet has oceans filled with solvent and an atmosphere filled with explosive gas. Nothing could live there."
-What an alien on Titan might say about Earth.
i'm glad SOMEONE said this
Oxygen isnt explosive its an oxidizer.
We're aliens to them
"It's also way too close to the sun, so close that water turns molten!"
spoofer20 well oxygen is the only thing that oxidizes 🤕
"Oh it's making a noise" famous last words right before boom💥
LAMO!
‘LAMO’ lmao
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So Ass Laughing Me off?
That’s what they do in Soviet Russia.
That´s totaly on point i once throw a gas cartridge into a fire. It made a "pling pling" sound that gets faster and faster, then it explodes and shot the can 20m in to the air.
@@topsecret1837 Kind of appropriate given the video
1:09 Oh man...I was watching this while salvaging 18650 lithium batteries out of a laptop...when I heard that tiny "BZZZT!" I about threw the laptop clear across the room thinking one of the batteries was about to vent or explode.
🤣🤣🤣
have you finished picking them all up yet? XD
oh man this made me laugh
Damn, how do you find 18 thousand batteries?
@@LiberalsGettheBulletToo model number
Not gonna lie. I was waiting for the video to cut to a hospital room.
That would definitely happen if he mixed the propane and oxygen just at the right mixture ratio, then fired it up.
It's not Dexter's lab, it's Cody's !
@@udhi_gn3893 It's more likely that he has to go to the hospital because he slips
Peter Auto on butter...
I mean this is the same guy who showed us to refine f*cking Uranium ore and hasn't yet put up a video about how to deal with radiation sickness. I was definitely scared that his vacuum chamber was going to explode though.
I can just imagine we going to titan atmosphere, and when the aliens shoot us, our spacesuit explodes
Splash damage unlocked
Maybe that famous Zeppelin explosion was actually a Titan spaceship
Humanity has become halo grunts.
And vice versa
Like that scene in your all mankind where the guy gets shot and lights on fire inside his suit
Cody showed fire. Fire bad. Demonetized
gaige sanders whoosh lol
baby its cold out side...
@gaige sanders if u don't get it y u laugh at it
gaige sanders smh...
It wasn't demonetized, I saw an ad!
Wait, that's a lot of air...
"Well now I'm afraid if I let anymore air in it could cause an explosion"
Ok there it is
Yeah I was waiting for him to make that call too haha
That's awesome, even the spark made a different noise in the propane atmosphere.
Different density of the gases, similar to what happens with a helium balloon.
@@gorillaau well but sound really cool
I wonder if its possible to identify gasses by the way sound propagated through it, like the nodes in a kundts tube... would they be different enough to identify different types of gasses?
Couldn't that also be because of the difference in pressure?
@@dangoldbach6570 I think that would be for the most part impractical because gas always expands and spreads to fill a volume untill it cant expand anymore.
The only way i can see this application being feasable is if you have gasses iscolated in various containers.
That’s really good advice - a good stopping point in any experiment is right before it explodes. (Unless your aim is an explosion of course).
Science with Katie im ok with things below the LEL and above the UEL. It's knowing and avoiding bad things in that middle ground of "explosive range" that gets a little.... interesting.
Whats the point of an experiment if it doesn't lead to explosions though?
or right after that
I was kind of hoping for a small explosion....
Please underemphasize -explosion- . There has been such a silence from Cody for the past week, and on B-lab, I thought he'd gotten some youTube super-strike or something.
A high school student first did this in 1978 - 1979. He won the physics division at the International Science and Engineering Fair in San Antonio, Texas in 1979. I think he got 3rd overall. He did it for both propane and natural gas. Jearl Walker wrote about it in his Amateur Scientist feature in Scientific American in October or November of 1979. If I remember correctly it was an issue that had a dung beetle on the cover. He called it "Flame Propagation in a Reversed Atmosphere."
It was The Amateur Scientist, November 1979: "Flames in which air is introduced into a flammable gas rather than vice versa" by Jearl Walker
huh, my Highschool spent $80 million on "college level science labs." But we weren't allowed to use them outside class.
Heck, in AP busywor----I mean chemistry, we never even used the lab stations *IN* class, except as akward desks; it was considered too dangerous.
They also spent $50mil. on labs for the Middle school....and we didn't use those either.
So basically an "Exemplary District" just meant less gangs, not a good education.
@@Gabyarg25 Jearl Walker, bet that's a vaguely familiar name for a lot of STEM majors. 😂
it's called a back fire
@@ChadDidNothingWrong how is your school so rich wtf
7:42 Wow, an arc that's actually _electric blue._ Pretty.
No shocks or explosions? Bogus!
Can you make a light bulb which works in the same way as the spark in vaccum
Haha; nice to see you here Mr.BOOM
Any update on the contest?
But look at those beautiful arcs!
You two should do a collaboration video, that would be amazing
And then there’s the implication that there could be life on a methane planet that stores energy as an oxidizing agent, rather than a reducing agent as our food is.
Edit: If anyone has any ideas for what might take the place of carbohydrates or lipids in a reducing environment, let’s talk.
Creatures on Titan or some such then could use methane and maybe some other chemical like hydrogen sulfide and use them for hydrolysis on water to make oxygen
Are we talking about adapting life from Earth to live on Titan or life that started out on Titan? If life is starting out on Titan, I see no reason why they would need to generate oxygen. Just react the methane and H2S together. You can break a lot of conventions if you can ignore the history of life on Earth.
If it is life that started on Earth and moved to Titan, then that might work.
Pizza rolls
Both substrate molecules and sources of energy are needed for Life. For energy, peroxides and superoxides spring immediately to mind, but Florine and other halogens would also make for some reactions that might be useful. There can be some low-energy reactions by re-arranging simple and complex hydrocarbons, even in the absence or light. However, to make the variety of reactions which Life seems to enjoy, I'm thinking more of Sulfur and Phosphorous.
Theres a movie made about that very concept.. its on Netflix and its.. not the worst..
Yo I just spent 10 mins watching an incredibly pleasant guy mess around with fire and I’m better for it. So glad this came across my recommendeds during Corona 2020. I needed this more than almost anything else. Can’t wait to go through the archive!
Cody's archives are extensive.
Fascinating Cody! Did anybody else find themselves wincing as the sparks went off in the propane? Engage sphincters!
FarmCraft101 lol, no but i def started wincing as more and more air entered the chamber without igniting. A few more seconds, and there def could have been a spectacular show lol
Nope. I was completely relaxed watching the entire video. Never expected an explosion because the air is only 21% O2, and the pressure in there is only ~510 mmHg of propane. The explosive limits of propane are 2.37-9.35% in air, so Cody would've had to let in a massive amount of air to even have a chance of a detonation. Of course, seeing the results of that would have been kind of fun... as when in doubt, more C-4!
No because Cody isn’t Grant Thompson.
iCat816 Grant Thompson doesn't even make videos anymore.
+NSEasternShoreChemist (Glflegolas) this is not for fun its educational, to make you think about the world around you
I loved the final minute where the spark slowly starts between the to metal wires, so satisfying to watch
For a second I was super afraid the air will reach the explosion ratio limit and explode.
I wasn;t because I knew there wouldn;t have been a video at all if that had happened.... ;p not like he was streaming live.
Perfect example of survivorship bias
@@milandavid7223 not really survivship bias at all
@@jacobkudrowich It is. If two people try an experiment and one dies, the only video that goes up is the successful one while the other person doesn't live to do so. From all the info we have it seems like the experiment is 100% safe since we've never heard of anyone dying from it.
@@milandavid7223 Nothing about this has anything to do with survivorship bias
That last part would be really cool to have in a scifi movie, like a spaceship has been half blown up, so there's lots of exposed wires and stuff, and they have to emergency land on Earth, so in space all the exposed wires glow purple, but as they get deeper and deeper into the atmosphere sparks start to form :)
Beacon of Wierd but usually wires are run inside the hull, where there is air. You could get away with it on some ships then
Hence the "half blown up" part :p
Really good idea and interesting video!
Fancy seeing you here!
This experiment was really dangerous and could've exploded at any moment. You know what you have to do. You must deal with it.
Propane is dangerous and could attack at any time.
+Multi Gaming I think I am not dependent on some few hundred views possible coming from commenting on other videos :D We are doing about 7M views on HPC month so no need to use my time on fishing some comments.
Multi Gaming Don't be an asshole, the hydraulic press channel is massive and wouldn't benefit from that tactic in any appreciable way. If anything they are trying to establish a back and forth with Cody possibly for some sort of mail collaboration or idea sharing, and you're in here messing it up for fans of both channels because you can't help but act like a douche.
A solid blue flame
Now we know how they do it in those rpg games
Role-playing games games, LOL
this happens normally with a fire containing no other soot particles like carbon
Seth Eloe 😂😂😂
I think blue flame happens when their is a constant supply of oxygen to the flame. Commonly at the bottom of the flame it is slightly blue
@@slavichwalker9856 you are correct. In welding this term is called a neutral flame. It's used to cut steel and other ferrous metals. He created a small scale oxy-fuel torch. Granted something on this minute of a scale has no effect cutting, but it still looks nice.
What would the spark look like with an air pressure greater than atmospheric?
I was going to ask that too - might increase the yield of nitric acid as well.
it would be more intense due to lower resistance because of more molecules in same space.
Or would it be less intense, because the electrons don't need to impart as much energy to the air molecules to jump across the gap?
Cody? Science required!
When there's a good question, which needs answering... Who you gonna call? Cody Don!
It would be more intense due to inductive reasoning. Or... "Who needs experiments?"
Man that was so damn cool
It wood be cool to see that spark at the end upclose and in slow motion. Are those individual lines produced by a single electrons?
+trolle02
Shatap yur face.
trolle02 Fixed. Autocorrect in iOS has been shit lately.
So cool
That's just the damndest thing I've seen all week
How would it look if you injected pure oxygen into a propane/nitrogen mixture because that would be my idea of a reverse flame
A reverse explosion?
Yeah I feel like that would just explode after enough pressure
@@davecrupel2817 unless you dumped a bunch of oxygen in there it before you lit it it should be ok
he's talking about burning oxygen in a propane nitrogen atmosphere, not mixing all three and lighting it
The nitrogen doesn’t really matter
You know it's going to be an interesting video when Cody is wearing some safety gear
It's amazing how smooth the inside-out oxygen flame is.
Science: this is safe because reasons
My brain: He should be recording this from far far away
I'm not surprised that air injected into the propane would not burn. Experimenting with potato canons, if the mixture is too propane rich, it just won't light. A bit of air injected into straight propane would be a very rich mixture!
But wouldn't you expect there to be a gradient from lean to rich from the tube of compressed air to the propane? Just like if you had a regular atmosphere and injected fuel, the gradient starts at the nozzle to be very rich, and tails off to lean in the atmosphere. Maybe the problem is that there isn't a perfect gradient. The two substances just don't mix together fine enough to get them to react at a large scale, and by the time they mix together well, the ratio is all off
Matthias Wandel That would be true if he was trying to burn all of the propane at once. But since he was only trying to get a flame it would work just like a torch and slowly consume the propane.
Just like if it was full of oxygen and he was trying to burn the propane it would slowly consune the oxygen and burn as a flame without the explosion.
Btw a spud gun needs extremely rapid oxidation of the fuel (explosion) to work. Which is why you want a good air:fuel ratio. Too much in either direction and it won't work. I would say that a good ratio to start at would be around 13:1.
TheSpyFishMan thats a good point. Maybe if Cody moves the spark a bit further away from the tube it might ignite. Not sure though because the pure oxygen lit fine. So maybe oxygen in the compressed air is too diluted to sustain a flame. Maybe higher pressure would provide enough to get ignition but he would have to put a diffuser in there or the pressure would blow the flame out.
TheSpyFishMan also propane is heavier than air so it could be that since the propane is all at the bottom of the tank it is drowning out what little oxygen there is in the compressed air. Or it could be forcing it upwards too fast to get good mixture.
I think if he added a mixing nozzle to the end of the tube that mixed the propane and air together really well, like you have on the end of most blow torches, he might get it to light. That would eliminate at least one variable and so he could focus on the ratio of air to fuel and not worry about the amount of mixing that is happening.
I was just thinking "Uh oh, you're going to hit a critical mix RSN" you said "OK I'm stopping now, there's too much air in there." Whew.
Cody had me very nervous with this one. So much could have gone wrong. Even though he doesn’t advertise the safety measures he takes all the time, I’m glad he’s conscious of the risks.
7:07
Ahem, excuse me sir, but how much for the glowstick cotton candy? I must try some.
Cody, that was one hell of a thought experiment. Really, cool video. An inverse flame? this better trend!
How the fuck a hands on experiment is a thought experiment?
How the fuck is propane reacting with oxygen an 'inverse flame'?
In normal situations, we burn propane in an oxygen environment. This was oxygen in a propane environment. The flame chemically is identical no matter which of the two situations. But, the situations are what make it inverse.
Admittedly, I used that term wrong. Nonetheless, a thought experiment can be carried out into reality. Making it, a real experiment such as this one.
These results are pretty shocking. I'm expecting a heated debate, though I hope it's not an all-out flame-war.
Don't worry, I'll be careful that the door doesn't hit me on the way out.
It's a hot topic
Fire pun.
Someone's a bright spark.
Lol I guess someone had to do it. Flame on!
Brilliant, thank you. I only wish my science teacher from school 50 years ago was able to so ignite my curiosity, rather than dampening it.
Having grown up not allowed to go to any school it blows my mind how much people cry about having access to books and school and how it wasn't enough for them. It's like having a hammer and just sitting with your arms crossed "nobody is making me excited to hammer! The system let me down!"
Your videos are always so epic. Best random videos you make are always the most interesting to watch
Like the king of random only not shit or a felon
+RumpelForeskin lmaoo
Safety squints engage
hehe
Is there any other way...
Hello, fellow AvE Viewer.
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burning oxygen is impossible. oxygen is already 100% oxidized.
Florine says otherwise.
Surely it is the propane that is burning. The flame is confined to the region that is within the flammability limits, outside that is too rich and will not combust.
@@984francis 100% correct. Oxygen is not combustible. The propane is mixing with the oxygen at the nozzle and creating a reaction zone in which the propane ignites. outside of this reaction zone the mixture is too rich (propane) to ignite.
@@theCodyReeder
Well under conditions one would consider normal, oxygen cannot burn.
Oxygen would only burn if it is in the presence of a more powerful oxidizing agent.
O2+O2=O3+O (almost)
The propane flame was likely flickering because the regulator does not put out a steady, consistent pressure. The friction of the mechanical system causes a slip-stick condition, which in turn causes rapid opening and closing of the valve opening to attempt to balance out the downstream side pressure vs the diaphragm pressure. This may be instead of or in addition to valve movement due to flex in the system, nothing is ever what we would call a rigid assembly. You end up getting a barely noticeable pulsing in most instances, which is much more noticable under low pressure/low flow situations.
Winterfalke I knew it wasn't air current from the flicker, but didn't know what would cause that. Thanks!
A needle valve would probably give much better results.
Winterfalke i hate bitches like you who try to act all smart
Yup... okay. 👍🏻
Von Tajay
If you're upset because you cant understand things, you might try taking up reading.
This is one of those videos that just make you go: "Damn, that was cool." Thanks for the content, Cody!
Ill bet there was some very interesting high energy chemistry going on in that spark-in-propane...
Just knocking up some cell precursors?
Everybody who ever had chemistry in high-school has probably thought about this experiment. - It takes Cody to actually do it. Very exciting, very interesting.
Sorry to burst your buble, but there's a number of videos doing the same and many people did it or witnessed it being done by others. It's not really something exotic, but kudos to Cody for using his number of subscribers to spread the knowledge.
No, actually it's not. See my comments above. This isn't science, and it isn't interesting. It's stupid. It reminds me of stunts done by Grant Thompson, "The King of
random". Occasionally he does something with merit, but more often than not it's like this. "Jeez, I wonder what would happen if I put 10,000 volts across a beaker of mercury with a Tide laundry pod suspended in it." This "burning oxygen" is about on that level. A quick dry lab, a thought experiment would tell you that the idea is crap.
Jesus Christ, I've done alot of dangerous things, but trying to ignite 10 liters of propane/air mixture in confined space is too much even for me.
The rate was so low from that little tube that there was never a danger of anything close to a flammable stoichiometric mixture.
I'm sometimes "safety third", but in lower pressure, without continous combustion of oxygen it's possible to create stoichiometric mixture.
Yes, and the lower the pressure, the greater that possibility, but the lower the pressure and the less total gas-mixture, then the weaker the 'explosion'. Maybe enough overpressure to pop open the lid, but little more. However, the way Cody plays the overall safety odds means that someday he's going to win the lottery. That hacksaw blade came off from the nitro detonation and went into his thumb, not a carotid artery.
yup, enjoy him while he lasts.
I'll protect you don't worry
*I sell oxygen and oxygen accessories*
That's good.
Amazing video, glad to see you back!! It really sucks what youtube did to you, i can understand if you had trouble coming up with new ideas when you always have doubts in the back of your mind - "propane is flammable, will i get a strike for this??" They've really harmed their platform by tormenting their best content creators.
Anyway, glad to see another vid. This was an awesome idea!
This is pretty interesting!
I had never thought of that.
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Super cool! Stirs my curiosity to see different flames in different gas mix ratios and different atmospheres of pressure! So, you know how some fossilized amber air bubbles have been found to have higher pressure and higher oxygen mix ratios than our current atmosphere of today? I wonder what an ancient flame would have looked like in an atmosphere 1.5-2x ours and with 50% more oxygen (number might not be exact, but they're roughly what a I recall). Not sure about the ratio of other gasses. Lot's of possibilities. Thanks so much for sharing your experiments!
and exoplanets with much more oxygen in their atmospheres might not be conducive to people ever developing fire, as it would be too explosive. lightning would be catastrophic!
much more heat, brighter light and much more dangerous. things that on earth not known as combustibles, would be so in that atmosphere, like pvc plastic
I *always* have time to stop my homework for an educational video by Cody.
You should see what sound sounds like in different atmospheres. Like have a steel ball drop in our atmosphere and then have the steel ball drop in a co2 atmosphere, propane atmopshere, helium, sulferhexaflouride, hydrogen, ect... I think that would be pretty awesome.
I want this.
For sound generation to differ due to the gas used you need a sound source that involves the gas itself, like a whistle, not a large piece of metal, which will vibrate just the same.
Mark Tillotson the metal would vibrate the same but the vibration in the air that we hear would be different due to the atmosphere it is in, so it would sound different.
Qualyn Foreman ^
Im in the "same sound" team aswell. The wave length and travel times will be different in a denser or thinner gas, but as long as its only a carrier, the frequency will be the same
really cool, never thougt of a "reverse flame"... makes absolute sense and looks wonderful
Any thoughts on trying to burn a hydrocarbon (or hydrogen) in a chlorine atmosphere?
You'll make hydrogen chloride (which becomes hydrochloric acid when dissolved in water) and some mixture of carbon chlorides, predominantly carbon tetrachloride. Neither product should be released into the atmosphere: they're both highly toxic, HCl is corrosive and CCl4 destroys the ozone layer.
Hi, Nurdrage. :)
There's a lot of such videos on YT but they aren't very popular so it's not easy to find them.
I'd like to see chlorine burning in hydrogen. It should look pretty much like oxygen burning in hydrogen but still...
Not sure you would want to just blow those chemical products away with a fan. Now hydrocarbons I'm a Fluorine atmosphere...
HCl is not "highly toxic", its highly acidic, its in your stomach right now not poisoning you at all :)
Hydrocarbons in a chlorine atmosphere makes a sooty mess.
This is super cool, and the bonus footage is awesome too! Thanks Cody!
EDIT: Could you try different oxidizer mixtures? I mean, you tried 20% and something close to 100%, now maybe you could try 40% and 60%? I feel like this would be relatively easy to do with your setup, using some maths and the barometer? I think it would also be interesting to reverse the setup for such different fuel mixtures, like try burning propane in 40 and 60% oxygen atmospheres?
Not many people stay up late all night and then set up an experiment just because they were curious. I love this guy!
“I can prolly turn down the propane- Ohp THAT was up.”
The ending made me think. Would the electric arc form from a greater distance under higher pressure? And would we need more insulation on wires if the atmospheric pressure was larger.
gabest4 It's indeed the opposite, with lower pressure (so less air) the electrons can flow more "freely" and arc longer, that's how you can create plasma with a vacuum chamber (and infact at the start what he show was primarily plasma), if you have a big voltage like at least 5kV-10Kv (10 Kv it would start to be risky for the radiaction produced) and a vacuum chamber with strong vacuum like 10^-6 torr, even with a small chamber you will see the air will be hot enough to be plasma and it will glow like a nebulosa, fascinating stuff (and with that you are close to an actual Farnsworth fusion reactor,just need deuterium and protection and a conductive ball with the negative pole to attract electrons in the centre), hope you find this useful
well neon lights, fluorescent lights, mercury lights, x-ray lamps, sodium street lamps, etc etc etc all work with very low pressure tubes, so..... probably not.
Look into vacuum tubes/valves.
I have a wood stove, and a very similar thing happens when I close the air vent. My stove has little air holes in the top of the firebox to pull oxygen into it and help it burn cleaner. When I close down the vent, it starves the fire of oxygen and the flame goes out. That is exept for some little flames by the air holes. It almost looks like a barbq burner.
One of your best vids Cody. Thankyou for posting it
Cody forgot The Mad Scientist's Code "Any experiment the results in an explosion is a success."
Wow you just made me realise how easy it is be to make a vacuum chamber with a pot and plexiglass! I have been trying to think of cheap solutions for months!
That was just plain neat bud. Thanks a bunch my friend.
To get it in reverse, shouldn't you have used a ~21% propane atmosphere with a 100% oxygen "flame"?
Well would it be so different to stream propane into an oxygen tank w a sparker? I'd still expect the flame to stay at the interface.
AnantaSesaDas But the color etc. might be different.
+John Francis Doe; i think the flame spectrum only changes for incomplete combustion. As long as the ratio is adequate to burn thorough then the color is the same only brightness is affected.
yes, but what would the 21% be a percent of?
on Earth, it's 21% oxygen to 79% nitrogen.
I guess you can make it 79% helium, for the sake of inert-ness..... or argon....
+Matthhew Alex; doubtful. It wasnt liquified gas, just compressed. A way to test is to blow the compressed gas at a red hot charcoal and see if it blazes up. It shouldnt if only co2 is blowing and rather cooling it off.
Based on analogy & steps which you take & follow in your clips...
... You are just a genius !!!
Love ALL your clips !! ❤️
Please more!!
MUCH more!!
Propane is very particular about its air:fuel ratio for combustion. It's been a few years since I was really into spudguns and knew all this stuff by heart, but as I recall it just won't burn if the mixture is more than roughly half the stoichiometric ratio by volume. A stoichiometric mix is ~4% propane in air, iirc it just won't burn above roughly 10% (Again, it's been a while, it might be as high as 15 or 20%, but it really doesn't like burning rich.) Those are for well mixed combustion gases, of course, which is different than your setup.
In any case, methane is more forgiving, and hydrogen even more so, if you ever wondered about lighting a match on Saturn.
Jason Patterson explosion limits make for interesting reading, especially when you get to real nasties like acetylene. I stopped using it at work for severance cutting, propane works just fine and is way cheaper, and much safer.
I've had some spudgun experience so was wondering if Cody had the critical mix ratios in mind. Best if no one tries repeating this though.
Once you substitute pure oxygen for air, things are always more interesting and more dangerous, that 80% nitrogen really tames things down.
Just make sure you say hello to the NSA
ether + whippit cartridges. Had a spud gun sized for tennis balls, im quite sure there are still a few up there left in orbit.
Wow, that sounds intresting!
What you should have tried: Instead of the atmosphere being pure propane, have it be a mixture of propane and nitrogen and whatever else is found in air except for oxygen, so it's the equivalent of air but with propane instead of oxygen. Then blow in pure oxygen.
That was so cool. I was always curious what a sparkle would look like or act in vacuum. More like this please.
gilat6 I've wondered the same thing about glitter...
That was not true vacuum. It was very low pressure and there's a corona forming from the rarified air being ionized. In total absence of air, corona is gone, too.
If you want to see larger effects in rarified gas, get a plasma globe. It's essentially the same thing.
Can you burn something in ozone?
edit:
Could you burn something in ozone Cody? Since the oxygen is more present and the molecule is more instable the flamme should be more active :) I searched for such video on CZcams but never found any. I could only find combustion with chlorine gas. Anyway, a combustion in exotic gas theme is a cool idea for your channel.
Of course. And ozone can burn in propane or whatever.
Héphaïx Anon easily. Ozone breaks apart so easily into oxygen that you can use it to burn stuff
Sorry bad word used: Could you burn something in ozone Cody? Since the oxygen is more present and the molecule is more instable the flamme should be more active :) I searched for such video on CZcams but never found any. I could only find combustion with chlorine gas.
Ozone, nitrous oxide, and fluorine can all support combustion. Seeing what happened if he put N2O into the chamber might be kinda cool.
You should add that edit in the original to stop the flood of people replying with "of course you can"
The movement of the spark at 9:20 is crazy!
Hank Hill approves of this video... :P
ApacheThunder .... Dammit, Bobby!
I said 'cocaine' not 'propane'.....
Hank hill was angry at this video, fake news
I sell Propane and propane atmospheres.
Hank would say, It's asinine! Now propane burns cleaner and is more cost efficient .
my first thought when i saw this video was "people better be making King of the Hill jokes or im gonna lose my shit"
Wow that’s one of the coolest experiments I’ve ever seen! Very interesting! Thanks Cody ! Take care! Peace from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Peace from Hamilton too!
Having worked as an engineer in the petrochemical industry for 10 years, and having seen the results of fired heater explosions, this video gave me severe anxiety.
I always wanted to try that. Thank you.
I've never been so nervous watching one of your experiments.
Arthur C. Clarke mentions this in Imperial Earth. Never thought I would get to see it.
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing!
so i guess we could carry bottles of liquid oxygen to titan and run engines?
commonsense 200 We already carry liquid oxygen to burn our fuel with.
The exhaust would be a powder of ice and dry ice once cooled.
I wonder what will happen if you poke through the li-ion battery inside a vacuum chamber. Is shorting the layers enough to melt it because of the electrical current when you factor out lithium oxidation?
Alex Servirog I am pretty sure the lithium would still be oxidized by whatever else is in the battery
A substantial amount of li ion flame is due to H2 production and air's oxygen. The flame would certainly be different
IIRC - Hal Clement in his book "Half Life" has aircraft flying in the methane atmosphere of Titan by carrying Oxygen in the craft. I have heard a number of experts say you could not sustaine a flame. I could not figure why a flame would be impossible. Thank you for showing that a flame can be sustained by injecting Oxygen into a hydrocarbon gas.
Reminds me of an oxy acetylene torch with an oxidizing flame.
TheVexCortex just what I was thinking, most fabricators and metal workers know you can actually shut off the acetylene at the bottle in the middle of a cut and continue it with just oxy.
+no no; burning the metal where the oxygen wind fans it to stay lit?
no no First time hearing that. Does the pressure of the oxygen and the remaining heat actually pull it off? I've only had few experiences with cutting in high school; I wouldn't have thought that could be possible. :x
When oxy-fuel cutting, you're oxidizing the iron so fast it vaporizes. It's not so much the pressure, as it is an incredibly oxygen rich atmosphere.
VGameL0v3e12sF012Ree yes, the oxygen has more than enough pressure to cut. In a regular cut with a torch all you are really doing is using the acetylene flame to heat the metal and then using the oxygen to blow the molten metal away. If you begin the cut on acetylene and get everything out enough, when you shut off the acetylene the metal becomes the fuel source instead with the oxygen feeding it and blowing it out of the way.
Most people don’t think it works, good way to make a couple bucks on a bet
I thought music started playing in the background before you said “what was that noise?”
I’m happy you included the progression of plasma generation at the end👍🏻
5:58 kinda weird that 21% oxygen in propane atmossphere won't burn yet propane burns in a 21% oxygen atmossphere. must have something todo with how the whole thing is getting mixed or something? i dont really get it tbh
You're right. Look up 'stoichiometry'.
The lower limit for Propane to oxygen combustion is 1:2.1, and the upper limit is 1:9.5. Since he is adding only 21% oxygen to the cylinder, the area where the gasses mix is effectively WAY too rich for combustion. Had he kept adding atmosphere to the cylinder, eventually enough O2 would have built up that the area where gas was added would be just lean enough to support combustion and he would have gotten a rather sooty, but sustainable flame. Because not all the O2 would be consumed by the flame, the concentration in the cylinder would continue to rise while the flame burned. You know, until suddenly the cylinder was just lean enough for all the gas to ignite at once. So...a bomb. A very rich one with very little available energy for destruction, but a bomb nonetheless. We don't reliably know how long he could add atmosphere to that cylinder before he got a flame, and we don't know how big the safety margin is since he has no monitoring equipment in there to measure it. It could have had a flame for 30 seconds before simply going out again, or a flame for 5 milliseconds and a sudden explosion. I fully support him stopping where he did. He has a well-developed sense of self-preservation, that's for sure. [edit: spelling]
Remember oxygen is just an oxidizer its the fuel that you have to worry about
@@NoSubsWithContent it's a combination of the 2 that can be the problem
Actually I think the answer here might be that the spark here is just not strong enough. I've tried igniting a regular gas torch with a sparker module before, and it is not that easy for the arc to start a flame.
Also, forming an arc through a different gas should also lead to a different temperature at the same current, and have a different electrical resistance characteristic.
was the pitch/sound of the spark in propane alter due to the minor burning that carbonized the copper or was that a change in the way sound carries through a gas medium? would the sound be different in other gasses? helium (He), neon (Ne), argon (Ar), krypton (Kr), xenon (Xe), and radon (Rn)?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the difference in pressure would have a huge impact on the sound of the spark (the propane had a pressure of 2/3 atm). Also, even in atmospheric pressure, the spark would have a different sound due to the nature of the gas (if I'm correct, the frequency of the sound depends on its speed, that varies by molecular weight and adiabatic exponent of the gas).
Also, it is possible that the spark itself is different, pure propane gas and atmospheric air (N2, O2, CO2, water vapor and other trace gases) having different electric conductances.
Please correct any mistakes.
I just like how you are showing that you know periodic table of elements
Its all about how the soundwave travels through the medium. Different Gases have different sound traveling speeds, which is why for example your voice sounds funny, when you've inhaled Helium before.
Tesa Tape i was under the impression that helium made your vocal cords constrict or something like that.
As a kid, I read a science fiction book where the young protagonist used oxygen to run a methane breathing engine on an airplane he had built on a planet with a methane atmosphere. It was mind-bending for me at the time.
I'd like to watch that spark zoomed in a filmed by a HD high scpeed camera. I'm sure it'd be trippy. And no, I'm not just saying that because it's April 20th.
Watch my lightning videos.
it moves at the speed of light so good luck capturing the FLOW of the spark.
@@vitalnutrients744 Ionized channels of air don't propagate at the speed of light.
I guess if you were on Titan, and you used a lighter to spark a flame. Regular lighters filled with propane won't work, so replace propane with oxygen. Then an oxygen filled lighter will work on Titan.
But your cigar still won't work.
It still won't work because Titan's atmosphere is nearly all nitrogen. However if you walked down to a shore of a lake of liquid methane/ethane, where concentration of gaseous methane/ethane is higher as the vapors are being wafted from the lake surface, it will work.
Most of Titan's surface is solid and there are only a few lakes in polar regions.
tye tygon great idea, but quite ironic right? Oxider becoming the standard fuel for another planet.
Robert Heal pack oxygen like a firecracker into the cigar
That was pretty rad, you'll have to come up with some way of measuring the Temp of the flame if you decide to do it again, maybe use a full (instead of one that's almost empty) O2 tank next time. was really impressed with how brilliant the flame was.
try to fill it with hydrogen and then try it .
try not to die again.
Try burning propane in a pure oxygen atmosphere
Oxygen is just like propane flammeble in the right enviromen. It would be a more fair comparison to burn propane in a pure oxygen atmosphere than burning it in normal air.
Good fun. When I was a kid I read an Asimov whodunnit sci-fi story where the villain was caught because he came from Europa where they normally burn oxygen in the pure methane atmosphere. He murdered someone on earth with a chem lab explosion but he put ignition fluid on the oxygen tank first by mistake out of habit. Asimov was a wonderful writer. You brought a nice story back to mind so thanks for that.
Everything about this is cool!
When I saw "reverse flame" in the thumbnail, I thought you were going to demonstrate a flame that converts CO2 and other exhaust gasses into oxygen and unburned fuel which percolates back into the container!
But this is pretty great too!
Did you ever get back to this? That oxygen flame was beautiful.
burning oxygen = military intelligence
two words combined that cant make sense
Pure oxygen is flammable
@@skylain111 actually pure oxygen by itself is not. It has to have a flammable substance. Now the thing is when oxygen is pure it makes things that wouldn't burn have a lower flash point because of the abundance of oxygen. Fire requires three ingredients. Heat, Flammable material, and Oxygen. Any of the three missing and no fire.
@@windyknolllandmaintenancel1558 oh shit well I feel stupid thanks for the clarification
@@skylain111 wont trying to make you feel that way bro. A lot of people get it wrong. My mother thought the same thing until we did an experiment to demonstrate it.Years of welding and metal work as well as being in pyrotechnics and explosives taught me. Before then I had the exact same belief :)
Here's an idea. Burn oxygen in a hydrogen atmosphere.
it would work even better
not sure if you would see much hydrogen burns with hardly any flame
As if this wasn't already dangerous enough
this shows how much Cody is confident of his knowledge. Filling vacuum chamber with propane and experimenting with fire, I would have shit my pants
Maybe because the air is 78% Nitrogen.. mostly inert gas. When you're burning a fuel in open atmosphere it can pull as much of the oxygen as necessary. But with you injecting air into a hydrocarbon atmosphere you're only getting the 22% oxygen or less. And that is insufficient to light
Thats my guess and I am surprised Cody didn't click to it. When you are on earth, the average room contains a huge amount of Oxygen by volume, if very little by percentage.
In contrast, in a Hydrocarbon atmosphere with air as the fuel, the oxygen is far rarer. LIKELY the Oxygen is reacting with the Hydrocarbon atmosphere almost instantly (due to the spark) but their is not enough oxygen to make the thing go off.
N2 + C3,H8 will is not going to reaction. In fact, given how hard it is to get N2 to react with anything, Cody would need a SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful spark to break those bonds. If he did so, given that Lightning causes NO and NO2 to form, its quite possible Cody could get some form of TEMPORARY ignition of the following source.
8N- Ions + C3H8 = 3CN2 + NH4.
And suddenly we realise this reaction is impossible.
CN2 is HIGHLY unstable...way more then C3H8. Its reaction with O2 to produce CO2 and NO2 produces the second hottest flame in an oxygen based fire (4,500 Degrees C). This is a lot of energy released very quickly, and given how stable N2 is, it means the C3H8 +N2 reaction is never going to burn.
reverse flame! it is freakin awesome! i finally had seen it!!
no you havent, at least not in this video
The surfaces of both Pluto and Eris are composed primarily of frozen methane. If you were to raise the temperature slightly and some of that were to sublime, you would be left with an environment similar to this. You could fly a ship fueled by nothing but oxygen.
Also, if your colony's habitation module ever developed a leak in such an environment, you'd have bigger issues than just your oxygen leaving; chances are it would make a huge fireball.
oh this is gonna be brilliant