7029 Clun Castle rescued after failing to climb Hemerdon unassisted! - 2024
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- 7029 Clun Castle has had a memorable visit to the West Country, with an overnight trip to Plymouth. Starting in Birmingham on Friday, 1Z47 ran just behind schedule, with no problems attacking Whiteball and Rattery, despite being completely unassisted. However, fully fueled and loaded the following morning, 7029 with 1Z48 failed to climb Hemerdon, gracefully. No wheel slip, just a slow grind to a stop. Predicting this could happen, Vintage Trains chartered one of their Class 47s behind, so in case of a failure, help would be there. It was epic to watch. In chronological order, shots were taken at:
00:00 Attacking the Banks
00:10 Whiteball
01:47 Rattery
05:12 Hemerdon
08:33 Failure
11:43 7029 Clun Castle heads to Paddington
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Disclaimer : No trespassing was committed in the making of this video, all shots were taken at stations, roads or footpaths. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Further Update: The stall was due to brakes dragging.
Quick Update: After passing Hemerdon, 7029 run with the Class 47 on the back all the way to Bristol Temple Meads. Despite passing Hemerdon 30 minutes late, the service arrived into Bristol TM 5 minutes early!
Additionally, you are seeing a cut version of the footage, I have watched the full length, and can confirm that 7029 Clun Castle did roll back preparing to attempt a restart, but was evidently unsuccessful. Thanks for Watching, Lynton & Barnstaple next weekend!
STUNNING FILMWORK........ you manage to capture so much more atmosphere... beautiful to watch, if a tad sad for Clun... So grateful for your work! 🤗🤗🤗
Hemerdon Bank is notoriously hard and the sting in the tail is that final bend before the bridge at Sparkford. The crew did a fantastic job to get the train that far.
I was maybe 50 yards to your right at Whiteball! Spectacular spot to see a proper GW engine on home turf. What a turn of events this morning at Hemerdon - would be interesting to know the exact cause (and I'm sure in time we will) - fair play to the crew for keeping her moving and keeping calm. Thanks for sharing your footage and see you at the next one...!
That’s what I thought it was dragging brakes that caused that loco to go to a stop at hemerdon and that’s why the 47 was called in to help it get up the hill
Had heard Clun Castle had stalled at the top of the bank you were in right place to capture the unfolding events. I was around the corner at Hemerdon Sidings just waiting, then with no warning wind in the wrong direction 7029 appeared so missed the start of my intend shot coming around under the bridge. Unfortunately these things happen, but was great to see a Castle on home ground.
Terrific video and excellent chasing, the Whiteball sequence is marvellous. How cool to see the machine on the terrain it was designed for. Thank you.
Thanks for posting. Sad moment !
In related news, some long handled loppers might be useful for photographers there before long ... 😒
Thanks for posting we were waiting at three arch bridge Totnes . So glad to have a good informative answer to the delay
7:30 must be a huge grade 😢😢.
Great video - sad to see her struggle on Hemerdon - seemed to have plenty of steam and 9 coaches should be well capable for a Castle...maybe dragging brake somewhere?
Hope 7029 makes it up to Paddington in fine style later. Many thanks for posting/sharing.
Seems likely, according to speculation the butterfly valves for the emergency brake on the carriages may have been clouded by vegetation ... 🤔
@@AndreiTupolevI’d treat that with a large pinch of salt, you can easily reset the butterfly valves and you’d know if one’s engaged on the loco just by checking your brake gauges.
It’s essentially been confirmed that there were two vegetation strikes on the rear mk2 vehicles as the train departed Plymouth, it meant that although the loco was maintaining 25in vacuum at the front of the train, the pressure was lower toward the rear and the brakes were dragging. No salt required 🙃
Apparently it was only delayed 30 minutes, which was quite impressive, and made up all the time by Bristol
Great video! Just saw it at Taunton! Keep it up!!
That rescue locomotive was on the scene remarkably quickly considering the elaborate procedures that must be followed when allowing a light engine to enter a section of track already occupied by the failed train. Maybe there's a time jump in the video that I haven't spotted.
A previous post said Clun rolled back a bit on an attempted restart. Did that mean the brake fault had been corrected? With today's communication systems, the 47's crew knew exactly where Clun and its train were. At least the 47 was not hooked on all the time. So Clun and the nine looked like a real train. Why the leaking vacuum? Where was the fault? Seeing Clun come to a halt with safety valves blowing and a strong Great Western exhaust beat was so contradictory.
Great video well done Tyseley for giving us proper steam. Yes a disappointment for not managing Hemerdon but never stop trying.
Good to see you covered the events on Hemerdon.
Brilliant video, right place, right time . How right was that to have a 47 trailing the train, dpot on. Well done Vintage Trains.
Nicely captured. Regards, John
Dragging Brakes seems to be the culprit. It's that last curvy part and that approaching the Bridge at the summit that causes the issues too. Remember it well from actual hauls up there in the early 60s, last one in Steam being a Castle in not good health in 63 I believe it was. It didn't stall though but walking pace for the last half mile. Clun looks and sounds in fine fettle despite all this.
Interestingn to see all the fun and games of Hemerdon. I saw her at Swindon.
Ye Gods. Bet the clag smelled epic! Plenty of steam though.
So its not a stall. Two Mk2 coaches, had their brakes creeping on. Facts Dear BOY FACTS.
If you stalled your car because you had the handbrake, you still stalled your car!
Well these things happen, but brilliant work to get the diesel to it so quickly
Absolutely, great planning by Vintage Trains
I was hauled up Hemerdon 5 years ago by Flying Scotsman (LNER pacifics not noted climbers) piloted by a Black five (noted climbers). We went up as if the bank was not there. But we also had the 47 on the back, which I fondly thought was supposed to be there simply to haul the train back to Plymouth from Exeter. But it did not seem so, or maybe the 47 was simply providing enough power to propel just itself. I doubt that as well, but does anyone know?
The Class 47 was taken off at Bristol and ran light engine to Paddington so it could haul the train to Greenford for turning.
Things must have been very different for 5043 12 years ago, on all the banks, also with 9 on.
Lovely filming but heartbreaking to see. The loco is in great shape, and the was load not particularly heavy either, so unless there was a catastrophic mechanical failure, it is down to an inexperienced crew! These loco's have mastered this line unassisted many times before.
Question? was the `Thunderbird` tailing the train, instead of being hooked to the back of it?
No, it was hooked on
Ugh, whatever were they burning? That wasn't coal. Looked like a consignment of brown coal diverted from a German power station
Steam coal from Kazakhstan, it’s actually really good, just smoky if fired heavily. Note the safety valves were feathering most of the time so she was never short of steam.
Nice video 👍👍😎🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃
Chuf chuf clun castle
Why did it stall, not enough steam or just not powerful enough?
It's boiler is lifting, think the previous post is about right , boiler over filled.
Brakes dragging
@@terrier_productions that would do it!
Am I right in thinking that GUV behind the tender has water tanks in it or as that urban myth?
9600 Gallons of water in the GUV. Wouldn’t have help on the climb
@@steamtothewest-trecanrail 9600 gallons of water weighs about 35 & 3/4 tons which is rather more than a GUV van could withstand.. It is a lot of extra weight though.
Given the load capacity of a GUV being 14T (unmodified) it can carry about 3000gal of extra water. If VT have modified theirs to carry more, then great. More range/surplus water if things get a bit "sticky"....
(my rough calculation is based on 220gal = 1 ton)
@@phil69881 Effectively half an extra coach to haul.
A good video and, as you say, all filmed respectfully off Network Rail land. Perhaps NWR could acknowledge the discipline of the people there and at other spotters locations by doing their bit to prevent trespassing by cutting back the foliage.
If it was a brake problem forget my oil fire comments especially as I worked at Westinghouse for 19 years
Had the same thing happen with a Black 5 on the climb out of Oban. Loco just wasn't powerful enough to lift the load. Over-optimistic planning.
I think the brakes were sticking.
@@steamtothewest-trecanrailbad coal????
Aside from being a bit smoky (when the weather is hot, the condensing of the steam in the atmosphere is far less visible making any smoke much more noticeable than if it was cooler) there’s evidently nothing wrong with it as the safety valves were lifting.
Brakes.... Nothing wrong with the loco or coal
@@innuendo1 A bit worrying that a Class 47 pushed a faulty train, then?! Or was the problem 7029's inability to release the train brakes properly?
It seems these days that our preserved steamers have there fair share of issues on the main line of not being able to manage gradients, where years ago when in service it didn't seem to affect them. Is this because of the coal they use these days being imported and basically the wrong type of fuel for these lovely old girls?.
If you look and listen, the safety valves were blowing off; so no problem with the coal. Just the dragging brakes.
Dodgy coal? GW Locos need quality coal, which simply not available now.
The coal was reportedly excellent, and from Kazakhstan. I think the brakes were sticking.
How can there be anything wrong with the coal? The safety valves were lifting. If you’re down the nick, you are certainly not disturbing those
Looks like poor quality coal? This is the toughest mainline bank in the south west and the biggest test. Anything over 8 coaches and you need a 'big' engine. I think Blue Perter is coming back. It would make light work of that!
Apparently, the coal was actually excellent, from Kazakhstan. And this can be backed up, as the safety valves feathering after coming to a halt.
Would you say it's the toughest? Dainton is pretty mighty as well.
@@tgk300xx4 I travel regularly on that line. The difference is Hemerdon is much longer and a 'slog'. Dainton on both sides has a short sharp part near the top (at the tunnel). With a good run the train can usually get up over there before it really slows.
@@steamtothewest-trecanrail Thanks for that -I was only surmising but evidently I was wrong.
I know it wasn't her fault but it was painful to watch. 😢
Could they not of restarted the train without the 47?
If you can't keep it moving, there is going to be a lot of heavy lifting to get the load moving again. That may not be down to lack of power, more a lack of grip.
I think there is an element of urgency in this situation for the TOC to get moving. The class 47 was patched behind for the journey, in the event of a stall or fail.
have restarted
My observation is based on too much water in the boiler sending it back and risking priming. Normal practice was to hit the bank with water on the bottom of the glass, and the fire well burning, full in the back corners, and hit the exhaust injector half way up. I appreciate your observation, but the Castles were an aquired art to fire at speed. I have fired a 2800 2-8-0, and the long firebox takes some hard work getting to the far end. A Black Five is easier.
What rubbish!
@@alastairmeanley5091 Your evidence? Or just rudeness?
@@Flatscreeningnot the fact this was the gentleman firing and arguably someone with more knowledge of GWR engines than most of us put together
@@clancrasher8306 How does your posting to me relate to my asking "Your evidence? Or rudeness?" to @alastairmeanley5091's "What rubbish!". Please tell.
If Alastair Meanley says you are talking rubbish, then you are
It only just managed to get over Dainton the day before
So I heard…
As a big GWR man it’s time to think about oil firing. If it’s a coal problem which our government have banned then we’ll have to go down that road. Remember it was attempted in the 40s that time it was the government again who forgot they had no money to import the oil!
I bet it was the clout of the NUM that killed oil-firing on a large scale. East African Railways locos were all oil-fired in the 1960s. I drove some of them.
@@Flatscreening Excellent reply I was lucky back in I think 2006 managed to travel behind Mount Gelai Mombasa to just short of Nairobi and a tribal class Nairobi to Kisumu organised by Nigel Dobbing RIP
@@vernongoodey5096 To me, the 59 class were the ultimate Beyer Garratts. Elegance and style with power. In 1964 I was on the footplates of 59s on the Mombasa to Nairobi overnight trains. And handling the regulator. I drove a Tribal class on the run to Kampala, and another on the line from Mwanza to Dar es Salaam. The first engine I drove was in 1958 at Port Dinorwic or Port Penrhyn. The most recent was in 2016 in Sri Lanka on a steam special. Apart from 7 1/4 inch on the West Parley Miniature Railway. Between driving a steam loco and riding a fast horse there is not a lot to choose. How do I PM you?
good old class 47,where would we be without diesels to assist😀
There would have been a large Prairie fired up and ready to go; for any of the south Devon banks - as I saw when I lived in south Devon in the 1950s.
Back in the day it was a banker for anything over eight coaches. I Have fired a few engines, and in my opinion, the fireman should have built the fire earlier, notice the smoke. The fire was too cold, and the boiler short of steam at full pressure.
Can't really see that, she was venting off steam all the way up
Notice the safety valves lifting!
You can build the fire however you like - if the brakes are dragging or stuck on you're going nowhere fast
Sorry but this is rubbish, I have fired a lot of engines including over this route. The fire was white hot and the boiler safety valves were blowing off as evidenced in various videos, therefore nobody would be able to create anymore steam pressure! Plain simple fact if you know how a steam loco works.
Bad coal???
Dragging brakes
Wouldn't have happened to a locomotive of the London Midland and Scottish Railway 😊
Superb video and a shame Clun castle couldn't make it under her own steam. Just shows what beasts of gradients we have in the west country. I saw her depart Plymouth and she certainly wasn't struggling there.