Susan Maher, you are ABSOLUTELY spot on, I have been in racing all my working life. While I have so much respect for all the wonderful great NHR recent champions. The true great was ABSOLUTELY ARKLE, I was privileged to witness many of his wins m, it was ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING, that in many of the big handicaps, he was asked to carry between 12 and 13 stone, and OBLITERATED the opposition, the the 4 times he thrashed the great MILL HOUSE was ASTONISHING, I have never ever witnessed any horse sprinting up the Cheltenham and Sandown hills With the speed of a sprinter
ARKLE is the stuff of legend. His name and the feats he achieved will never be repeated. sure we had KAUTO STAR Dessie and Red Rum all champions but ARKLE was in a different league. He made my sport of NATIONAL HUNT Special. How lucky we all are to have had him. Susan Maher
Oaksey wrote a wonderful piece on one of Arkle's rare defeats when he was carrying huge weight. ""Head low, dog-tired, giving 32lb to one rival and 26lb to the other, Arkle gained ground up the Cheltenham hill. With everything against him, he never for one moment thought of giving up and even now, shutting my eyes, I can see the angle of his out-thrust neck with every nerve and sinew strained to the limit and beyond."
And one of those horses was Buonna notte....who had beaten The all-time great Dunkirk as a novice....Arkle just failed to give this class horse all that weight, over a shorter distance than ideal, Just a WEEK!! after routing the Hennessy gold cup field, giving most 35lb.....what a phenomenon Arkle was!!!
I was lucky enough to see Flyingbolt run at Haydock after he had been sick and was then trained by Ken Oliver and ridden by Barry Brogan. I have never seen the likes of it anywhere. What a magnificent horse he was.
I was serving my apprenticeship and in ,64 and all through the week all the talk amongst the tradesmen was get on Arkle, I think they all got their drink money that day,
My father went to cheltenham for 30 years , they saved all year to go over to England, he still tells me arkle arkle arkle he's now 82 and I have started going to cheltenham
Says who? You? What bullshit. The greatest of his era no doubt. But of all time. Absolute nonsense . That is the sort of bullshit that makes a good story or documentary. Nothing more.
@@Q...A In the UK maybe. What about Red Rum btw? Idiot? How about educating yourself? Comparing champions from different eras is stupid. How can you say a horse that raced 50 years ago is better than a horse that raced 50 years earlier or 50 years later? FOOL! Great conversation over a beer nothing more!
@FIST2k8 and yet twice kauto failed to give weight Monkerhostin and Monet's garden.... scarcely great horses ..if kauto was as good as his rating he should have won those races
@@gerardlacey5428 kauto has been overated....his king George races were full of non stayers, and handicapers, not quality grade1 horses like say "dessie" had to overcome. Denman when fully fit was a better horse.
I wonder if John Shirreffs, Zenyatta's trainer, knew about Arkle's fondness for stout? On days Zenyatta trained particularly well, he would give her a Guinness. She loves it. :)
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but some of these comments are beyond stupid!. Red rum ? Really? Get a grip on reality, arkle would have given crummy two stone and beaten him by a distance, same with desert orchid . Make no mistake, Arkle is the greatest chaser anyone will ever see.
I don’t like being disrespectful for other great champions as it’s not their fault idiots are doing talking for them. But it’s very obvious that Arkle is the most talented NH of all time, and by some distance
@@rob9999i your comment was spot on Robert. There have been many champion horses over the years which we have been privileged to see and it is no detriment to them that they all fall well below the level of arkle. After all we are talking about the most exceptional national hunt horse there has ever been! That does not mean other horses were not worthy champions, just that none stand comparison to the greatest of all time, Himself!
What a race it would have been..... Arkle v Flyingbolt. I don't think that there was much between them really. Tom Dreaper had some fantastic horses in those days.
I was & am a big fan of Desert Orchid bit I feel Arkle would have beaten him over 3 miles left handed. Over 2 miles Dessie would have took Arkle with ease. Dessie would have given Arkle a real headache around Kempton or Sandown over 3 miles but not Cheltenham.
@@barbaradyson6951 Give it a rest......you are just anti Irish. Two sets of weights whenever he ran in a handicap. That has never happened before and probably never will. That proves he was and is the best. So stop talking rubbish.
Brough Scott is one of the finest analysts of historical or modern horse racing around. Could listen to his opinions all day. I particularly like his likeness to the 1964 Gold Cup race to a masterpiece.
I heard him state on telly once he thought kauto was better!!...Nothing has ever got close to his feat in the Gallagher gold cup! In my opinion,the greatest performance by a chaser ever...Jim
I think every race fan, especially the young, and those familiar with racing this Century, should respect the greatness of Arkle and Flyingbolt and not even compare anything we've seen so far with those two GIFTS of The Almighty! They should be known and hailed in the same way Frankel is today. One things for sure, 1965 was the most special year in racing history. It was the year of the greatest Chaser of the 20th Century (Arkle) and the greatest flat horse (Seabird). What a privilege and honour it must have been to be a race fan in those years! :)
05PtVxUI Basically, a hurdle race is where horses jump over hurdles (unsurprisingly) and a chase is short for steeplechase, where horses run over fences. Hurdles are the smaller objects as they have to be a minimum of three-and-a-half feet high, whereas fences must be a minimum of four-and-a-half-feet high. Also the term Novice is most likely used because many horses will compete in hurdles to start with and then go onto fences as chases are usually the stronger encounters and as the horse gets a bit older it requires more of a jumping technique as their speed might not be what it was, so they’re likely to switch to fences.
Each in their own era, I never saw arkle live but I watched BESTMATE win his three gold cups so for me the best is BESTMATE, FANTASTIC, ,, NATIONAL HUNT IS SIMPLY THE BEST
Best Mate was never asked to carry weights and usually only ran 3 or4 times a year. PATHETIC . Dessie ran in handicaps every 3rd Sat. So glad he and Arkĺe never mèt. One would have KILLED the other
@FIST2k8 you just don't want to believe sir!!!! I saw Arkle at sandown, both times.....spectacular. In the second gold cup I saw him canter round, then 2 out....he exploded away from mill House,. His time was only 1 second slower than kauto stars best time, Kauto hard ridden in a more competitive race with less weight in his gold cup!! Arkle looked like he was on a excercise canter. As brough Scott recently said...."He was another species"
Mill house was born in Ireland not far from where Arkle was born . Also the great Red Rum winning 3 grand nationals was also born in Ireland . 🇮🇪 Check out Frankels pedigree?
Wish I could remember his name but in our move our courier lost 9 of our boxes. Including most of my horse literature so unable to help but my old blacksmith who has been in racing all his life might be able to help. Will try.
Probably massive news at that time but im wondering if that is the right story or if a horse did have to swim to get to aintree before he could race. Will find out
He was unbeaten in th 3 years he held heavyweight 1964-67... Then he was stripped of title.when Ali got his license back he wasn't half th fighter....but good enough to beat the best about. In the sixties he was,as ted says Unbeatable!
+Barbara Dyson what all of 5 lbs ??.. thats what you call carrying top weight. hardly the same as arkle giving 40 lbs and the like away and winning the irish grand national etc.. its just a mares allowance nothing more
Lidia olejink For got to say I was talking about golden miller who carried top weight 5 times to win cheltenham gold cup plus in between the grand national. Think You need to read up on horses
Arkle the best by a mile, has anybody tried to carry two ten kg bags in each hand and run 50 yards which is just over 44 pounds ,that let's you no about carring weight its a killer
I understand what you mean and what you're trying to say. But I'm a 12 stone man. Not comparable to a half a ton animal. A horse rising 6lb in the ratings is like Usain bolt getting handicapped with a 30 gram chocolate bar strapped to his body. Small rises don't make too much difference. 6lb to a 500lb beast isn't much, 10 or 12lb isn't either.
Yes....and Arkle would have won... according to pat taaffe who was on record saying" at least a stone better" or in his book " Arkle with a bit in hand due to his superior turn of foot after the last"
@@beverleymorris167 Plus Flyingbolt won only once in his 13 starts after Arkle broke down in the '66 King George. After he turned 8 he was just another good horse instead of a superstar.
Wssent on Tom draper pit them in different races so they could share the money around flying bolt was a two and a half mile horse really plus he was 2yrs younger than arkle
Some people at Jim Dreaper's yard including Pat Taafe regarded Flyingbolt as even better than Arkle Red Rum wasn't a top class champion chaser he was a handicapper he would never have won a King George or a Cheltenham Gold Cup. When Golden Miller won his Gold Cups it was regarded as a trial for the Grand National his superiority over his contemporaries was too small for him to be the greatest chaser ever.
@@barbaradyson6951 Did Golden Miller require the rules of racing to be rewritten? Only Arkle was so far above every other horse to need that.That is a FACT you cannot escape. He was thrashing other Gold Cup winners after the Gold Cup became the Blue Riband of chasing. Golden Miller was beating little more than hunters. He was the best of HIS time, but none have ever matched 'HIMSELF ', before or since!
Yes he was a good horse. But as all of us were not around at that time how can a comparison be made between golden miller and arkle. golden miller won the Cheltenham gold cup 5 times carrying top weight and in between he won the grand national. What else has to be taken into consideration is the style of fences I believe up until the 50.s the fences were straight upright as was the grand national and the distances were further. For a horse to jump an upright fence takes a lot of courage because the horse will take off at the distance that the fence stands at. e.g. 4ft fence horse takes off 4ft from the fence and lands 4ft on the other side, if however you have a sloping fence the horse can get to the bottom of the fence because the slope makes it more comfortable for the horse to jump. So do give golden miller his proper title which should be one of the greatest steeple chasers along with arkle.
+Barbara Dyson ...There's no top weight in the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Its always run at level weights. Unfortunately you don't seem to know what you're talking about.
You have to remember that in the 30s the National was the main race,Gold Cup was just another chase. No horse other than Ankle has required the the handicapper to issue two sets of weight. One if Ankle ran, another if he didn't.
Nano one would ever deny Golden Miller was a great horse. If the do they're idiots. The Gold Cup to A RKLE was little more than a schooling session. Witness the ease with which he BARGED through the fence in his final Gold Cup and still SAUNTERED away from his rivals - including former Gold Cup winners
Why does there have to be so much "pseudo" intellectual talk about this?. He was a bloody great racehorse! FULL STOP. Keep any discussion on the RACING aspect and not try to bring in politics and every other damned thing that has no bearing on a great racehorse.
I know it's nice to be romantic about these old horses. If they were ln your own era it's difficult to ever concede they weren't the best ever. But let's face it Timeform made a massive mistake rating Arke and the horses from his era. He looks as slow as an old boat on the videos I've watched. Timeform need to man up and rate him accordingly. I think a 30-40lb drop should be sufficient.
To think name was kennedy or something like that arkle NEVER gave away 40lbs in a race. As for the irish national just an extend steeplechase nothing more. Obviously you do not STUDY various horses. Did u know there was a horse that had to swim to get to the national and then went on to win it. So do lecture me.
There was one horse shipwrecked off ireland who swam about 50miles to get to land. Some people found the horse contacted the authorities and the trainer went and collected the horse which went onto win the grand national in 1904. The horses name was moiffa and was on route from new zealand. I believe in 1901there was another shipwreck in which two horses were involved one survived the other did not. I am not sure that moiffa is the horse who had to swim to get to the national and then take part. I have to do more research.
Arkle? really? not 3 time Grand National winner Red Rum? 5 time King George V and 2 time Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Kauto Star? or hat-trick Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Best Mate?
Okay - are we to assume that you don't know why Arkle is considered the best chaser? Why Timeform rates him as the best ever (I have to say that this particular accolade is a bit of a stretch as Golden Miller should also be on the same mark.)? All the horses you have mentioned are greats in their own way but, and this is where Arkle excelled, none of them were ever able to match his achievements in handicapped races. He regularly conceded 14 lbs + to top chasers and beat them convincingly.
I think Arkle was the first real super star race horse - I mean it's 2022 and 57 years later and we're still talking about him.
Golden Miller won the Cheltenham Gold Cup 5 times + 1934 Grand National, when they were Big fences!
Susan Maher, you are ABSOLUTELY spot on, I have been in racing all my working life. While I have so much respect for all the wonderful great NHR recent champions. The true great was ABSOLUTELY ARKLE, I was privileged to witness many of his wins m, it was ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING, that in many of the big handicaps, he was asked to carry between 12 and 13 stone, and OBLITERATED the opposition, the the 4 times he thrashed the great MILL HOUSE was ASTONISHING, I have never ever witnessed any horse sprinting up the Cheltenham and Sandown hills With the speed of a sprinter
ARKLE is the stuff of legend. His name and the feats he achieved will never be repeated. sure we had KAUTO STAR Dessie and Red Rum all champions but ARKLE was in a different league. He made my sport of NATIONAL HUNT Special. How lucky we all are to have had him. Susan Maher
Sue mahar actually did u know that arkle and dessie was a Irish horses and red rum was a kinda uk and England horse
@@spaz5138 Red Rum was a Legend. Bred for the flat and definitely the best grand national horse ever..love your passion for this great horse
Sue mahar thanks soo much i love and i love ur passion for that great horse
@@spaz5138 enjoy your racing Cheltenham only weeks away. Did u know Lester PIGGOTT rode rummy in a flat race.
@@suemaher5282 no i did know
Oaksey wrote a wonderful piece on one of Arkle's rare defeats when he was carrying huge weight. ""Head low, dog-tired, giving 32lb to one rival and 26lb to the other, Arkle gained ground up the Cheltenham hill. With everything against him, he never for one moment thought of giving up and even now, shutting my eyes, I can see the angle of his out-thrust neck with every nerve and sinew strained to the limit and beyond."
And one of those horses was
Buonna notte....who had beaten
The all-time great Dunkirk as a
novice....Arkle just failed to give
this class horse all that weight,
over a shorter distance than ideal,
Just a WEEK!! after routing the
Hennessy gold cup field, giving most 35lb.....what a phenomenon
Arkle was!!!
Level weight less a stone- unbeatable
It's amazing. Arkle was the greatest .. and the second best was in the box beside him.
These days they wouldn't allow a horse do what he did. #Flyingbolt
@@karenblackadder9446 both of em....superb horses
Some have greatness thrust upon them, and some are born with greatness.
I was lucky enough to see Flyingbolt run at Haydock after he had been sick and was then trained by Ken Oliver and ridden by Barry Brogan. I have never seen the likes of it anywhere. What a magnificent horse he was.
Flyingbolt was the only horse who could challenge Arkle
@@karenblackadder9446 not according to there jockey...
Pat taafe, he said "Arkle with a bit in hand"
Arkle was the best ever they changed the handicap system trying to stop him his legend will live forever hail the king
That's right , they had to publish two handicaps , one if Arkle ran , and one if he didn't , never see his like again
He is the best
The greatest... All others might have thought they were the best... And then Arkle came along.
Great show thanks.
I was serving my apprenticeship and in ,64 and all through the week all the talk amongst the tradesmen was get on Arkle, I think they all got their drink money that day,
Phil Smith" we could handicap all the great horses but not Arkle".That tells everything you want to know of his outstanding ability.
Makes you humble to be human as this animal was so loved and revered which he reveled in it ..
My father went to cheltenham for 30 years , they saved all year to go over to England, he still tells me arkle arkle arkle he's now 82 and I have started going to cheltenham
Arkle was the greatest steeplechaser, end of story and anybody who thinks otherwise knows absolutly nothing about National Hunt horseracing.
Says who? You? What bullshit. The greatest of his era no doubt. But of all time. Absolute nonsense . That is the sort of bullshit that makes a good story or documentary. Nothing more.
Hear hear !!
@@MuddHutter1 The greatest ever.....officially confirmed by his rating. Educate yourself before making an idiot of yourself on the internet.
@@Q...A In the UK maybe. What about Red Rum btw? Idiot? How about educating yourself? Comparing champions from different eras is stupid. How can you say a horse that raced 50 years ago is better than a horse that raced 50 years earlier or 50 years later? FOOL! Great conversation over a beer nothing more!
@@MuddHutter1Obviously you don't know much about Steeplechasers. Come back to the conversation when you've gained some knowledge
Duchess of Westminster loved Arkle so much she would never commit him to run in the Grand National which he would have won by a mile .....
Give.credit.when.its.due.no.he.never.won.agrandnational.but.he.was.atrue.legend.for.the.weigts.he.carried.an.over.jumps.❤😮😊
i have been a fan of horse racing since nicholas silver won grand national til this day 2024 there will never be another arkle 💔🙏
Tom Dreaper trained some top- class chasers including Prince Regent, Fortria, Flyingbolt and of course, the incomparable Arkle.
Aintree is Red Rum's Domain...👍👍👍
The gold cup is run at level weights arkle is the greatest by what he done in handicaps giving up to 35 lbs
@FIST2k8 and yet twice kauto failed to give weight
Monkerhostin and Monet's garden.... scarcely great horses ..if kauto was as good as his rating he should have won those races
@FIST2k8 facts not straws... failed twice to give pitiful weight😁
@@beverleymorris167 I thoroughly agree with you.Kauto couldn't give weight like Arkle did,and Kauto never had a Mill House in p
@@beverleymorris167 Kauto never had a Mill House in opposition.
@@gerardlacey5428 kauto has been overated....his king George races were full of
non stayers, and handicapers, not quality grade1 horses like say "dessie" had to overcome.
Denman when fully fit was a better horse.
I wonder if John Shirreffs, Zenyatta's trainer, knew about Arkle's fondness for stout? On days Zenyatta trained particularly well, he would give her a Guinness. She loves it. :)
Ankle the best race horse ever RIP 🙏 beautiful boy we will never forget you ❤🎉😢
At least spell his name correctly .
Excellent. Thanks. Subbed.
Great video!
My surname is Arkle and I love watching the history of the horse Arkle
RIP the people's horse
I was fortunate to see him in the flesh - the greatest ever. No doubt about it.
He is the best!!!!!
RIP Willie Robinson
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but some of these comments are beyond stupid!. Red rum ? Really? Get a grip on reality, arkle would have given crummy two stone and beaten him by a distance, same with desert orchid . Make no mistake, Arkle is the greatest chaser anyone will ever see.
I don’t like being disrespectful for other great champions as it’s not their fault idiots are doing talking for them. But it’s very obvious that Arkle is the most talented NH of all time, and by some distance
@@rob9999i your comment was spot on Robert. There have been many champion horses over the years which we have been privileged to see and it is no detriment to them that they all fall well below the level of arkle. After all we are talking about the most exceptional national hunt horse there has ever been! That does not mean other horses were not worthy champions, just that none stand comparison to the greatest of all time, Himself!
My 3thd favourite racehorse
What a race it would have been..... Arkle v Flyingbolt. I don't think that there was much between them really. Tom Dreaper had some fantastic horses in those days.
He still is
I wish I'd been around to see Arkle.
He was beyond comparison. And I LOVED Mill House
@@karenblackadder9446 I was 16/17 when Arkle and Mill house were at their most antagonistic. A geat year for horse racing over the fences.
Me too.
Well he is actually my 1st favourite racehorse
Arkle Thee Best
Arkle at level weights would beat any steeplechaser who ever lived because he always pulled out more
Thomas logue bullshit. try desert orchid
I was & am a big fan of Desert Orchid bit I feel Arkle would have beaten him over 3 miles left handed. Over 2 miles Dessie would have took Arkle with ease. Dessie would have given Arkle a real headache around Kempton or Sandown over 3 miles but not Cheltenham.
yes your full of it, desert orchid not even in the same league
@@lockmartin6116 the greatest STEEPLECHASER EVER GOLDEN MILLER WITHOUT A DOUBT.
@@barbaradyson6951 Give it a rest......you are just anti Irish. Two sets of weights whenever he ran in a handicap. That has never happened before and probably never will. That proves he was and is the best. So stop talking rubbish.
Could not be beaten
Himself!
35 runs 27 wins rest placed never fell rated 212 by Timeform. Saw him win his first gold cup in 1964. The greatest!
Did kerfro(maybe it's not pronounced properly)run in the National in the 60s??
fabulous horse handicappers nightmare gooooooood for arkle xx
Brough Scott is one of the finest analysts of historical or modern horse racing around. Could listen to his opinions all day. I particularly like his likeness to the 1964 Gold Cup race to a masterpiece.
I heard him state on telly once he thought kauto was better!!...Nothing has ever got close to his feat in the Gallagher gold cup!
In my opinion,the greatest performance by a chaser
ever...Jim
I think every race fan, especially the young, and those familiar with racing this Century, should respect the greatness of Arkle and Flyingbolt and not even compare anything we've seen so far with those two GIFTS of The Almighty! They should be known and hailed in the same way Frankel is today.
One things for sure, 1965 was the most special year in racing history. It was the year of the greatest Chaser of the 20th Century (Arkle) and the greatest flat horse (Seabird). What a privilege and honour it must have been to be a race fan in those years! :)
In terms of greatness. Frankel not in same league.
Frankel is not worshipped, he's not even the best flat horse .
After all these year,s just realised what made arkle so great Guinness !!!
what is novice chase and hurdles? how does it differ from say, Arkle's type of steeplechasing? anybody
05PtVxUI
Basically, a hurdle race is where horses jump over hurdles (unsurprisingly) and a chase is short for steeplechase, where horses run over fences.
Hurdles are the smaller objects as they have to be a minimum of three-and-a-half feet high, whereas fences must be a minimum of four-and-a-half-feet high.
Also the term Novice is most likely used because many horses will compete in hurdles to start with and then go onto fences as chases are usually the stronger encounters and as the horse gets a bit older it requires more of a jumping technique as their speed might not be what it was, so they’re likely to switch to fences.
thankyou for that
05PtVxUI aaq
"Nothing on Mill House or Red Rum??"
Red rum was second rate arkle was light years ahead of the rest
Red rum is the best along with arkle
anyone know what 1150 guineas was in U.S.dollars back then
Rip
That woman has a VERY deep (manly) voice :O
TG before there was TG ...
Apparently its always been around- just not rammed down our throats 24/7
Where is the rest? How disappointed!!!
Great horse usually odds on favourite at unappealing odds, the only time I put money on him he lost
There's an Irish handicapper here with a strong opinion who doesn't know Arkle v Mill House was not a "clash of generations." They were the same age.
Very true
Each in their own era, I never saw arkle live but I watched BESTMATE win his three gold cups so for me the best is BESTMATE, FANTASTIC, ,, NATIONAL HUNT IS SIMPLY THE BEST
Not in the same Class as Arkel.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 not within 2 stone
Best Mate was never asked to carry weights and usually only ran 3 or4 times a year. PATHETIC . Dessie ran in handicaps every 3rd Sat. So glad he and Arkĺe never mèt. One would have KILLED the other
@@karenblackadder9446 Arkle would soundly beat both....
Dessie great though, better
than matey!!
@FIST2k8 you just don't want to believe sir!!!!
I saw Arkle at sandown, both times.....spectacular.
In the second gold cup
I saw him canter round, then 2 out....he exploded away from mill House,. His time
was only 1 second slower
than kauto stars best time,
Kauto hard ridden in a more
competitive race with less
weight in his gold cup!!
Arkle looked like he was on a excercise canter.
As brough Scott recently
said...."He was another species"
Mill house was born in Ireland not far from where Arkle was born . Also the great Red Rum winning 3 grand nationals was also born in Ireland . 🇮🇪 Check out Frankels pedigree?
Red rum while a fine grand national horse and everyones favourite- including me- should never be compared to himself
Wish I could remember his name but in our move our courier lost 9 of our boxes. Including most of my horse literature so unable to help but my old blacksmith who has been in racing all his life might be able to help. Will try.
+Barbara Dyson thankyou, must have been a big newspaper story at the time
Probably massive news at that time but im wondering if that is the right story or if a horse did have to swim to get to aintree before he could race. Will find out
V
My name is Jordan Arkle
DeflatedDuck mine is Jake Arkle
Do you get 3 mile?
anybody know about the horse that swam to get to the grand national
@@MsVanorak it was claimed it was Moiifà
Will Al boum photo equal his record?
Possibly but will still be weighted about 40lb less than Arkle. Bit embarrassing if he then gets talked of in the same manner I guess!
Be shame if he did, as like best mate it happen in a mediocre period, silly Biddle come used to come out with right crap about best mate,!!
@@rob9999i well said sir...matey lucky to scrape home in poor period
Though Henrietta knight did say
in horse and hound "sadly best mate wasn't in arkles league"....she said arkles is the best she had seen.
yes his rating of 212 is wrong should be 220
Yes...and kauto star below
dessies rating
Kauto three times gave miniscule
Weight and failed both times.....good but overated!
Dawn run should be also mentioned .🇮🇪
Somebody tell Ted that Ali was beaten 5 times.
He was unbeaten in th 3 years he held heavyweight
1964-67... Then he was stripped of title.when Ali got his license back he wasn't half
th fighter....but good enough
to beat the best about.
In the sixties he was,as ted says
Unbeatable!
Lidia olejnik
Think you dont know what you're talking about. The horses do not carry the same weight. Mares are always given a weight advantage.
+Barbara Dyson what all of 5 lbs ??.. thats what you call carrying top weight. hardly the same as arkle giving 40 lbs and the like away and winning the irish grand national etc.. its just a mares allowance nothing more
@@raborian She is anti Irish and anti Arkle. Anything she says is rubbish because of her racism.
Lidia olejink
For got to say I was talking about golden miller who carried top weight 5 times to win cheltenham gold cup plus in between the grand national. Think You need to read up on horses
Arkle the best by a mile, has anybody tried to carry two ten kg bags in each hand and run 50 yards which is just over 44 pounds ,that let's you no about carring weight its a killer
I understand what you mean and what you're trying to say. But I'm a 12 stone man. Not comparable to a half a ton animal. A horse rising 6lb in the ratings is like Usain bolt getting handicapped with a 30 gram chocolate bar strapped to his body. Small rises don't make too much difference. 6lb to a 500lb beast isn't much, 10 or 12lb isn't either.
ireland produced some great horses like arkle and great women
Just imagine if he was allowed to race with Flyingbolt. It would've then been the horse race to end all horse races.
Yes....and Arkle would have won... according to pat taaffe who was on record saying" at least a stone better" or in his book " Arkle with a bit in hand due to his superior turn of foot after the last"
@@beverleymorris167 Plus Flyingbolt won only once in his 13 starts after Arkle broke down in the '66 King George. After he turned 8 he was just another good horse instead of a superstar.
Wssent on Tom draper pit them in different races so they could share the money around flying bolt was a two and a half mile horse really plus he was 2yrs younger than arkle
Golden Miller 5 gold cups and a national same year now thats a legend
Some people at Jim Dreaper's yard including Pat Taafe regarded Flyingbolt as even better than Arkle Red Rum wasn't a top class champion chaser he was a handicapper he would never have won a King George or a Cheltenham Gold Cup. When Golden Miller won his Gold Cups it was regarded as a trial for the Grand National his superiority over his contemporaries was too small for him to be the greatest chaser ever.
Darren Walton they said arkle was the best handicapper.
@@barbaradyson6951 Arkle could win in handicaps giving STONES in weight. When contesting Gold Cup it was at level weights and very easy for HIM.
@@karenblackadder9446 that's your thought but non proven. One horse has won CGP 5 times plus GN in between in record time.
@@barbaradyson6951 Did Golden Miller require the rules of racing to be rewritten? Only Arkle was so far above every other horse to need that.That is a FACT you cannot escape. He was thrashing other Gold Cup winners after the Gold Cup became the Blue Riband of chasing. Golden Miller was beating little more than hunters.
He was the best of HIS time, but none have ever matched 'HIMSELF ', before or since!
Jim Dreaper didn't train ARKLE. It was his father TOM
Pity about awful background noise ruins the video please remove drivel accompaniment when you speak.
Arkle. Enough said 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Yes he was a good horse. But as all of us were not around at that time how can a comparison be made between golden miller and arkle. golden miller won the Cheltenham gold cup 5 times carrying top weight and in between he won the grand national. What else has to be taken into consideration is the style of fences I believe up until the 50.s the fences were straight upright as was the grand national and the distances were further. For a horse to jump an upright fence takes a lot of courage because the horse will take off at the distance that the fence stands at. e.g. 4ft fence horse takes off 4ft from the fence and lands 4ft on the other side, if however you have a sloping fence the horse can get to the bottom of the fence because the slope makes it more comfortable for the horse to jump. So do give golden miller his proper title which should be one of the greatest steeple chasers along with arkle.
+Barbara Dyson ...There's no top weight in the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Its always run at level weights. Unfortunately you don't seem to know what you're talking about.
@@lidiaolejnik323 That Barbara is full of hate.....won't admit she is wrong. Horrible person.
You have to remember that in the 30s the National was the main race,Gold Cup was just another chase. No horse other than Ankle has required the the handicapper to issue two sets of weight. One if Ankle ran, another if he didn't.
Nano one would ever deny Golden Miller was a great horse. If the do they're idiots. The Gold Cup to A RKLE was little more than a schooling session. Witness the ease with which he BARGED through the fence in his final Gold Cup and still SAUNTERED away from his rivals - including former Gold Cup winners
Here you are again posting absolute nonsense showing everyone that you dont have a clue about horse racing lol. Gold Cup is run off level weights
Murderers; Criminals. You should be locked up. So to never abuse a horse again. Just evil.
😂😂 clown
Why does there have to be so much "pseudo" intellectual talk about this?. He was a bloody great racehorse! FULL STOP.
Keep any discussion on the RACING aspect and not try to bring in politics and every other damned thing that has no bearing on a great racehorse.
I know it's nice to be romantic about these old horses. If they were ln your own era it's difficult to ever concede they weren't the best ever.
But let's face it Timeform made a massive mistake rating Arke and the horses from his era. He looks as slow as an old boat on the videos I've watched.
Timeform need to man up and rate him accordingly. I think a 30-40lb drop should be sufficient.
You are an idiot .
A complete one
@@kenmorley2339 I apologise for not being very old and blinkered.
@@RandyWatson69 no apology needed as it is clear that you never saw the horse in action .
I'm sorry sir think you have been dropped on your head
He never won the Grand national
Well he wouldn't do.....he never ran in it.🥴
He didn't win the Derby either. What's your point?
To think name was kennedy or something like that arkle NEVER gave away 40lbs in a race. As for the irish national just an extend steeplechase nothing more. Obviously you do not STUDY various horses. Did u know there was a horse that had to swim to get to the national and then went on to win it. So do lecture me.
+Barbara Dyson I vaguely remember reading that. Do you know the story about the horse that swam to make it's race?
There was one horse shipwrecked off ireland who swam about 50miles to get to land. Some people found the horse contacted the authorities and the trainer went and collected the horse which went onto win the grand national in 1904. The horses name was moiffa and was on route from new zealand. I believe in 1901there was another shipwreck in which two horses were involved one survived the other did not. I am not sure that moiffa is the horse who had to swim to get to the national and then take part. I have to do more research.
Research showed that the story of Moifaa being shipwrecked was exactly that.
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google it, just like you do wikipedia its handy for know all's like you.
Not bad but he wouldnt deal with a peak Elegant Escape off levels
Crisp was the best
Arkle looked like a cow jumping. Nothing compares with Crisp
@@anneshaw9681 never fell.....not bad for a cow!
Arkle? really? not 3 time Grand National winner Red Rum? 5 time King George V and 2 time Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Kauto Star? or hat-trick Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Best Mate?
Okay - are we to assume that you don't know why Arkle is considered the best chaser? Why Timeform rates him as the best ever (I have to say that this particular accolade is a bit of a stretch as Golden Miller should also be on the same mark.)? All the horses you have mentioned are greats in their own way but, and this is where Arkle excelled, none of them were ever able to match his achievements in handicapped races. He regularly conceded 14 lbs + to top chasers and beat them convincingly.
Fawltyoldboy Basil. So he intentionally was top weight just to have a challenge? I can see why he'd be considered a great if that's the case
How many races did Red Rum win over 3 miles?
Don't be silly. Desert Orchid would have destroyed those you mentioned but Arkle...well he was different.
arkle broke weight carrying records , track records... look at timeform ratings
Come on look how many fences he hit and how small fields were best mate would of cleaned them up its just not as clear as it seemed really
Best Mate never faced a champion in his career; Arkle routinely thrashed them.
Red Rum was the best
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Great joke mate 🤣