A Critical Look at the 1619 Project | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter [The Glenn Show]
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- 3:26 Critiquing the NYT’s series on American slavery, the 1619 Project
11:19 Why did this package come out now?
21:17 Are today’s racial disparities a “predictable” result of slavery?
27:31 The imaginary black man riding the subway who thinks “y’all gotta watch out for me”
39:40 The elided history of black shopping districts
47:48 Does this narrative dehumanize whites?
54:07 Is this whole argument a bluff?
Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and John McWhorter (Columbia University, Lexicon Valley, The Atlantic)
Recorded September 4, 2019
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, these two need their own show.
Skeptical but open is this not their own show?
Anthony David no, a large group of individuals make up bloggingheads.tv. They needs their own channel. With a weekly video.
@@skepticalbutopen4620 My hunch is that they are both appearing exactly as much as they want to. Glenn pretty much does do a show a week when he has the time. I don't get the feeling that John wants to talk about race with Glenn for an hour each and every week. They are both busy with their academic careers and John is raising children.
They can call it “The John Glenn Show” to mess with people.
@Megalodon Unlocked That sounds nice, but they live kinda far apart.
As an African-immagrant-American I have benefited a lot from these dialogues! It's like thatfeeling I got when first discovered Moby Dick or Sowell.
Gad Saad too, check him out.
Welcome to America! Make your dreams come true!
real men know how to wear pink
Pink shirts were “in” in the 1950s.
I think the trick is getting a pink piece of clothing and putting it on.
Judy S. Hahahah ... Are you saying his fashion is antiquated? I have worn pink from time to time. But, I find that a plum color (maybe had one the same as Glenn’s) matches better with my complexion.
@James Gray i love it even more now.
I'm a "double-woke" white guy who just stumbled onto your show while seeking some context to understand the 1619 project. Thanks for enlightening me.
GOWDER2414 Try not to be overly paranoid. It’ll cause you to have a clear lack of judgment. 😁😘
Just dont double park in the hood cause you'de be woke no mo
Check out Gad Saad and Rubin to continue your enlightenment. :-)
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
@GOWDER2414
And the link I posted debunks the 1619 project. Try not to shoot from the hip.
There are numerous articles.
As for socialism being an appendage of white supremacy is nonsense.
Socialism stands for workers of the world unite.
So here is a chilling thought: If someone is willing to short change reality to gain power, how far will they go to retain it?
@Timothy Somerville TDS. He lives in your head for free.
Look at examples like the Soviet Union, Maoist China, and many others and you can see where this all goes. It always ends the same way. Millions dead.
No one ever listens to the warnings because we always forget the lessons of history. That's why we are always on repeat.
This sort of thing is typical nationalist behavior. Like the Irish who tried to revive the Irish language after it had been dead as living language for several generations. but not for its own value but as a way of dissing the English. Didn’t work, whereas the Welsh language survives, as a valuable legacy of the country.
I feel the chill !
The answer is in front of your nose if you’re an American citizen.
The transatlantic slave trade wouldn't have existed if there hadn't been dense slave trading networks in West Africa, connecting the continent's interior to the Muslim empires in the Maghreb and Near East and the pagan coastal states (viz. the Yoruba and Dahomey Empires). These networks were established centuries before Europe entered the slavery business and acquired the ability to project real power overseas. A narrative that leaves this pre-history of slavery out cannot lay any claim to objectivity and truth.
Lol the transatlantic slave trade wouldnt have happened if Europeans did crave slaves, in Europe and especially In the "new world"
LiquidSoul Obviously that’s true, but it doesn’t mean what Jude’s is saying isn’t true as well. I very much doubt they were simply try to replace one overly simplistic reductive history with a different one equally simplistic & reductive.
LiquidSoul It wasn’t so much about “craving slaves” so much as it was craving wealth, and slaves were a conduit to that wealth.
@@daffyduck4674 hmm except jude conveniently left out the very important point, the slavery in the "new world" that developed here was solely because of European greed. His seemingly attempt to excuse, or ignore European instituting chattel slavery in the "new world" is childish
Yikes! "We come in peace," and it's all downhill from there...
These guys should have 5 million views, 10 million views for each discussion.
I wish. People are accustomed to memes. This discussion is complicated.
If Glen released a music video where he sang about drugs, shooting & his “stable of prostitutes”, surrounded by half naked young black women twerking etc he would achieve “10 million views for each discussion”.
Should he “play the game”?
Why not?
Agreed!
Maybe they do. CZcams manipulates the views numbers.
CZcams quashes the organic spread of topics its soulless bureaucrats dislike, and promotes the hate-filled garbage that they prefer.
If you have any doubt of that, search for "white fragility" (no quotes) while not logged in (so your own recommendations don't influence it), and you will get two pages of exclusively pro-DiAngelo videos...despite the fact that even with this corrupt help they aren't getting many views.
And then make the effort to find the anti-DiAngelo videos. You'll see that, despite the corrupt suppression of being lowered in results, they get far more views. Which, in a fair system, would drive them to the top of the results.
Google is corrupt and dishonest, distorting views through its agenda in exactly the sort of way "the Russians" supposedly did in 2016.
Frankly, there is NOTHING wrong with Russia buying ad space for their own political posts. That is not actually "election interference".
But a social media company secretly showing more of their political side and less of the other IS election interference.
who wants to chip in to buy Glen a new camera?
I prefer a better mic first.
Sailorforlife BESTTI I’ve thought about sending him a microphone. I’ve got an extra usb mic I don’t use.
He spent all the money on books
@@matthewharvey3556 money well spent.
Lol
Glenn's laugh made me smile for the 1st time in days. Thank you.
He seems to be a nice man. His wife, whom I have seen briefly, is a good match for him.
I've been trying to understand the purpose of the 1619 Project. As an older white woman thank you for helping me understand a little bit better. I thoroughly enjoyed your program and plan to listen to others in the future.
Wao...I've been floored by this amazing conversation. What a pair of amazing intellectuals. Conversations like this gives me a lot of hope for America, despite the seemingly depleting fabric of our society.
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
I have just heard about the 1619 Project for the first time and have found it to be a shameful act of fueling racial divide. A friend pointed me to the 1776 Unites and I will be reading the essays and posts of all of its authors, many with whom I am familiar and hold deep respect. Glenn Loury was missing and so I had to go in search of his comments. This has been undoubtedly my favorite conversation between him and John McWhorter. I will move on to listen to the other discussions since this one.
I was so refreshed to hear John's salient assessment of the young man on the bus. I am a strong, loving, firm Mama. Personally, I have found that I see others as though they were my own kids, in some respects. This leads me to love them, have expectations of proper, decent, civil behavior, and that I cheer for their success and I'm heartbroken for their hurts and/or wrong paths. I have seen all of my children struggle with this issue of white guilt. I don't understand it as it's not how we raised them, but they are their struggles. My husband and I stay involved and interactive and supportive as they struggle to make their sense of these complicated issues that make up humanity. Thank you both, so much.
I’ve been a fan for a long time. First time commenting. Thank you for being willing to have these conversations, in public and sharing them.
WOW!!!! What a conversation... there's so much in here... Thank you, professors!
Read Thomas Sowell's "The Real History of Slavery". The section on slavery in America and the process of it's abolition is eye opening.
Glenn and John are one of my favorite new media addictions - first-rate intellectual discourse!
I especially love it whenever Glenn says "really?!" because you know he's about to get SO fired up!
I am so glad that these shows popped up on my feed one day. I am very centered politically, and agree both with John and Glenn. I want to say thank you for educating me. I started wtaching you both, not because I needed the OK to feel the way I feel, but to use your intelligent points to discuss with those who are willing to listen to the nuances of every "argument" that is taking place today. Moreover, it has also changed my mind on a lot of these issues. I wish more people would listen to each other. but not from their groupthink- which is what happens- but to those on the opposing view. Thank you so much! Also, if anyone has not read John's book 'Woke Racism" i highly suggest it. It changed, opened, and inspired my mind. God bless
I call this 1619 phenomenon fashionable racism
@GOWDER2414 then try a dictionary, look up " fashionable" then look up "racisim"(pre recent change in definition) and youl figure it out, see not to hard to do for yourself.
Well, unfortunately TRUTH hurts & it just IS...
@@luvintolrn9665 but the 1619 project has some obvious gaping fallacies, so many that historians requested corrections to flagrant omissions and errors. So yes the truth is the truth, but if your given partial truths ,or important omissions that is a lie. and that's the problem with the 1619, it is bullshit. I mean factually its BS. IN 1619 that had not h ing to do with America, America didn't exist yet. If you have a problem with slaverybin 1619 bring it up with England, France and Portugal. as far as America, it was founded understanding that slavery was abhorrent, and had the structure built into the constitution to actually end slavery. It never said the country was perfect, in order to form a "MORE" perfect union, does not read in order to for "A perfect union". And as time has gone on, our western civilization has done more to obliterate slavery world wide then ANY other culture. America has legally achieved equality( actually, over equality, but that's another story).( your welcome!). looking at the modern day slavery map, you will see that slaverybis still prominent in the same cultures that it has historically started and continued, mainly the middle East, Asia and Africa.
www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/data/maps/#prevalence
@@SM-bu9bz ohh how the decadent jeweled veil is lovely..😂🤣🤔😞
@GOWDER2414 The decadent veil must be beautiful.......
These men are undoubtedly educated far above my level. There is no doubt in my mind there will always be some type of evil in our world, however as they got closer to the end of this talk I found myself almost weeping. There ability to search for truth and the honesty with which they shared, reached a platform of which to be desired. I am so tired of each view being so slanted that any truth presented reeks of excrement. I would be a better person if I were more like you two. Thank you.
Would you all ever talk to Thomas Sowell or Walter E Williams?
let them enjoy their retirement.
Dr Sowell just released another book at 90 years old. He is still sharp as and on point.
13:45 - "Isn't it curious, slavery is commonplace in human history. What's unique, what's interesting, what's different, is the abolition of slavery." -Glenn Loury
I never looked at it that way. We still have a long way to go, but we can't just take these kinds of heroic feats for granted.
Glenn Loury is brilliant. He always makes me see things from perspectives I’ve never thought of.
1619 Project = “...low rent thinking disguised as higher wisdom” lol and just started listening. More fun and enlightening conversation between Glenn and John.
Blacks have a knack for saying things in an interesting war. Natural poets.
Judy S. Nice to know that you recognise that those “Blacks” have some artistic skills!!
Yours is the most racist comment so far! Please don’t think me a “troll” & ignore what I’m saying. I believe that the attitude displayed in your comment is extremely damaging at this time in history...
Is this the first time that you’ve heard balanced intellectual discussion on the subject of race? I do NOT mean one-sided, blinkered activists talking unchallenged...
Rhetoric & statistics can be blinding.
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
2 weeks til another one!! I certainly hope so! You guys are killing it, love the nuances and complexities you both bring forward. Keep up the great work
“It’s weak to say that all Black problems stem from slavery” AND “We are supposed to evaluate Black people differently than we look at white people.” I totally agree. Disparities came from a myriad of influences as changes over time, including prejudices.
Not all black problems stem from slavery but a lot do. And many problems also stem from black businesses destroyed during Jim Crow, mass incarceration, school to prison pipeline, getting the father out of the house, and even bringing immigrants to undermine FBA's.
The best thing about Glenn and John is that they have read and understand what people they critique have written.
This was a worthwhile watch. You are both American treasures. I look forward to hearing more from you both.
These are two of my favorite thinkers. I want to see more of these guys tackle current events and undercurrents.
I've become a big fan of both of you in the last several months and look forward to more discussions from you two in the future. Thank you for being voices of reason in a sea of unreasonableness.
An interesting anecdote about subway etiquette. I'm a man in my early 50's who uses a cane because of a back injury. Last year I was sitting on a folding seat in a middle subway car. I had my head down reading, when I felt something hit my head. I looked up an older lady had a cane in her hand. She said "excuse me." I said that's OK and went back to my reading. She hit me on the head again. I looked up realizing she was telling me she wanted me to get up. I thought about it for a second and decided to get up. That's when she saw my cane and became extremely apologetic, waving at me to sit down." She then pointed at a young woman sitting across from me as if to say "I'll hit her on the head and make her get up." Either that or she was suggesting I hit the woman myself. I insisted she sit down and leaned against the door until she got off the train and I could reclaim the seat. I had never seen much less experienced anything like that before. A week later I was sitting in the same spot and a much younger man with a cane did the same thing to me. This time I just held up my cane and said no. I don't sit in the middle section anymore. Those seats give me headaches...
Apparently some people just don't believe back injuries unless it's their own back.
Enjoyed the last sentence by the way. Great punch line. Better than a swat with a cane.
Hah!
I am watching this for the second time. I love those two much. I could listen to them all day long!!!! 🙏🏾❤️
Low rent thinking fits perfectly with what I've heard from Ms Jones. Perfect!
Wonderful talk gentlemen, Thank You.
I teach in an "urban" high school and I can attest to what John says about a complete lack of manners/etiquette
Yes, Glenn, it's like being a musician (and particularly songwriters), where you're always trying to come up with things that push you just a bit further, and make your work a bit more interesting and revealing. I dig it... thanks for clarifying that, for those who seek the truth, and wish to further their skills, the work is never done. Of course that's what makes our fields of study, interesting. About the rest of the interview: bravo ! Glenn and John are always compelling to listen to. Their throught provoking analysis demands a focused listener's mind.
I was waiting for this and I haven't even watched it yet.
After reading McWorter‘s first book „Loosing the Race“, I started YouTubing him and stumbled upon these two talking together. I’m addicted! Amazing intellect and insight. Everyone should be watching these two.
The fact that there are 2.8K Likes; and only 137 Dislikes -gives me hope. Wow-what an education I'm getting from these two. Bravo!
The more intelligent and informed the black person, the less racist against whites.
I wish, I wish, I wish, everyone could see things this clearly.
yea...... but when folks constantly fear monger.... other ppl really can’t see things clearly..... False Evidence Appearing Real
I love how both of you are so capable of taking both sides of the argument so easily. Sometimes I get the impression that John is the liberal and Glen the conservative, but you guys really explored this well.
Their positions may be better explained through their academic fields: one is a linguist, the other a mathematician/economist. Pure brilliance on both sides, though!
You guys are awesome. Thanks for your thoughts on this. At a bare minimum this discussion highlights the complexity of human behavior, motivation, and understanding and the risks of oversimplification.
Glenn & John, you never fail to cast light. Thank you.
Glenn, I am Irish American and thank you for the shout out. My ancestors were oppressed, murdered and "transported" by the English for nearly 1000 years. As you know, many of them were used as labor on American jobs considered too dangerous to risk valuable slave "assets."
John, Thomas Aquinas's intellectual descendants actively helped the English accomplish that oppression. Perhaps Ta-Nehisi Coates could help me develop an Irish reparations regime for London and Rome. We could get the new African Catholic Bishoprics to cover Rome's part of the cost.
Can’t dump that on Aquinas or Rome Our ancestors stayed Catholic for a good reason, which is that the English were Protestants. It was Elizabeth who funded the pirates including Ralegh and Drake when raided the Irish coasts as well as Spanish treasure fleets. She redubbed them Privateers, and thereby changed international law which had hitherto been regulated by the Pope.
Gosh awful history. As unfortunate as the Poles. Course they had glory days, too. Days to come, too.
I'd read a book of John McWhorter's "Subway Stories".
fantastic discussion...so glad i reserved the time to hear you both
As always, thank you for the thought provoking conversation ....
Powerful. This is exactly what we need right now to counter this nonsense - persistent, clear, intelligent speaking of the truth. Thanks Glenn and John!!
I love listening to smart people having thoughtful conversations. Keep it up
You guys are extremely intelligent, honest and brave. We need more people like you.
I teach high school English and appreciate John’s commentary on language so I can be a better teacher for my students. His podcast is awesome!
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
As a middle school History teacher who teaches mostly Black kids, I get two responses from my kids when i talk about slavery. The dominant response seems to be "Why are we talking about slavery again? I'm tired of hearing about it." Then there's a surprise that the Africans were so critical to the trade.
Why would anyone want to hear about history that only sees them as victims . Its a depressing. Don't you agree?
Thank you for your clarity and intellectual honesty As a Brown alum, Glenn, you give me hope that didn’t come from the administration’s recent letter that you so aptly countered. I will have to listen to this session once again to fully understand all that you two put out. I especially liked John’s statement that history is a Progression statement, as we are still growing and clarifying this slavery matter. It ain’t over till it’s over in my mind. I will be expecting more of your cogent discussions. And, I wish that I had been able to experience one of your courses when I was there.
John App
First one here my favorite guys
I'm listening to this in the middle of July 2020 ... When cities are drowning in BLM and antifa riots.
And the media is barely covering it.
About 45 days of riot/protests in Portland and MSM is silent. Glad the Federal Protective Service/DHS is standing up to these spoiled children!!!
Me, too. Saw these guys on Bret Weinstein's show and have been watching them.
@@williamcullen8756 Thank goodness for that roundtable! I didn't know about any of these amazing intellectuals and they've been saying all things I've been thinking…. ANDDD they're BLACK!!!
I've only had Eric, Brett and Sam Harris (Not that Glenn's opinion is more valid than theirs simply because of skin color, but the crazy zoomers and media make it seem like your opinion doesn't matter if you're white. So, how about the opinions of Glenn/John/Coleman/Kmele then, ya crazy PC police?!)
"drowning" poor little snowflake
you guys are absolutely awesome!!
I grew up in a black neighborhood on the predominantly white side of town in the 80s and early 90s. The racial caste was American Blacks at the bottom and every other group on top, from Hispanic to Asian to Jewish to White-the latter being specifically on top and the groups in between are arbitrarily listed. A white girl could date any other group outside of hers, if she desired, and she would receive NO pushback with the exception of ONE: Black Americans; therefore, I have no idea why Glenn thinks we should be worried about what our fellow countrymen think.
I absolutely love this thorough break-down of the "1619 Project." The feelings I had when I heard it was unsettling, but I thank you gentlemen for reassuring me I'm not crazy.
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
Also articles exposing identity politics.
I wonder how many others ended up here in the last few weeks? Such a good video. I just keep listening and learning
I could listen to these guys talk all night long
Keep up the good work my brothers!
I absolutely LOVE these brilliant, clear, provocative thinkers! And, I especially love when they discuss topics with each other. Individually, they are fantastic, too, or in interviews with others. Thanks to both.
Yo. John McWhorter referring to random annoying black dudes on the subway as Daquan! LMAO! Lit!
Thanks for your thoughtful comments and comprehensive analysis.
I can’t believe Glenn is 71! He looks so much younger.
its because hes still using his mind , once you stop learning and thinking everyday thats when your mind and body start to age
Black don't crack.
Damn I’d give him 50-55 at most
Glad we AMERICANS have guys like Hughes coming up to replace him. Would love to have a conversation with either man. Not black, but crazy how much we look at things the same way.
He and his wife. They look like people in their early ‘60s.
Wow, this thing blew my mind. Thank you both.
Fantastic discussion, I'm going to check out other discussions.
I love listening to glen sing praises of America. Makes my heart bleed red white and blue 🇺🇸
Great conversation. I'm looking forward to more.
One factor that isn't even discussed in the 1619 Project regarding slaves:
Between one-half and two-thirds of European immigrants to the American colonies between the 1630s and American Revolution came under indentures.[2] However, while almost half the European immigrants to the Thirteen Colonies were indentured servants, at any one time they were outnumbered by workers who had never been indentured, or whose indenture had expired, and thus free wage labor was the more prevalent for Europeans in the colonies.[3] Indentured people were numerically important mostly in the region from Virginia north to New Jersey. Other colonies saw far fewer of them. The total number of European immigrants to all 13 colonies before 1775 was about 500,000; of these 55,000 were involuntary prisoners. Of the 450,000 or so European arrivals who came voluntarily, Tomlins estimates that 48% were indentured.[4] About 75% of these were under the age of 25. The age of adulthood for men was 24 years (not 21); those over 24 generally came on contracts lasting about 3 years.[5] Regarding the children who came, Gary Nash reports that "many of the servants were actually nephews, nieces, cousins and children of friends of emigrating Englishmen, who paid their passage in return for their labor once in America
I'm from the UK. I heard mention of this 1619 project on a CZcams news channel but didn't know what it was.
After getting a summary of what it was, it seemed obvious on the face of it that it could not be trusted as a historical piece of work - it seemed plain that someone had been trying to push a political agenda by using using facts or things that were nearly true to construct a narrative that they wished to push.
However, when looking for critiques of the 1619 project i found they too appeared to be pushing a narrative about the history of the USA.
I do get the impression that some American history is more myth and legend rather than true examination of the historical material.
Hi Glenn, I appreciate your show. Please have Killer Mike on!
Great conversation guys
So glad there are discussions like this going on. Thank you gentlemen! Btw you’re not wrong about the subway, i’ve observed similar patterns on nyc sidewalks and subways too. Not mad at it, just curious about where it comes from...now on to solutions that truly help our black bros & sisters!
Thanks for doing these videos Glenn and John :)
I’m a big fan from Louisiana 🇺🇸
The thing I love so much about these is not that they're always right - that, of course, is debatable - but that they always at least try to speak on the other side of the argument. It's something you rarely see from Coates, Hannah Jones and their ilk, even if I occasionally enjoy their points, it's an honesty that just isn't present
Just want to say that I rarely comment publicly but just have to now: this is a fantastic conversation! Thank you guys
I was looking for perspectives on the 1619 project; full disclosure, I think it is a political, not the story of America. I found this conversation refreshing, not because I am white and needed affirmation on what I believe, I found it refreshing because it was honest and real. I am a white man who grew up in the hood, I was a minority in the projects of LA, I did pull myself out of the projects and probably have a perspective that someone of color or someone of non color can relate to. I get tired of all the politics and love hearing educated persons of color keeping it real, you have a new fan and if you ever want my perspective; just ask, I respect you and might surprise you.
26:06 Voldemorting Coates :P
Hah. I thought that's who they were talking about.
This was a great listen/watch. As always, the truth is much more complex than anybody who has an axe to grind would like it to be.
Re: your closing note, yes, hurry back. There's a pressing need for your services, and thank you both - deeply - for your services.
Who were the two names mentioned after Bari Weiss at 1:02:35?
Please do a podcast on "Mideast Slave Trade", "Sub-continent Trade",
Its well documented; but we don't hear it about it
Well, your narrative does not fit into the story the left wants to tell. Yes, they ignore the middle-east-slavery and also the suppression of women and so on, hence, seeing the middle east also as the victim as they see themselves too. An other try to undermine the winning system, against leftist utopias called communism, socialism and their thinking, from the once leading paper NT. How much hatred must they have against the winners, to pull out all these old rags and call this historical, although its just a tiny aspect of history, blown up for political and virtue signaling reasons. So the left wants to install 1619 as the founding moment of the US, an absurd and ideology driven twist of perspective and standpoint, with the only goal to tear it all down, so the winner and losers are rushed on the ground. Its so obvious, when leftists do something, their main motive is always envy and hatred of the successors, camouflaged by fake-compassion.
@@SEAsiaTraveler Slavery was an ugly constant in human history and the US are probably one of the most critical countries towards its past concerning slavery. I think we have quite good numbers by the European colonialists and just think of the slaves, the Osmans and other Muslim conquerors collected throughout history, by attacking European coasts, so the people escaped from there to the inlands, in northern Africa and throughout the belt from Cordoba to east Asia. It seems, the more open and self critical a system is, the more the left is hitting. Thanks for the numbers! Didn't know, the US had "only" 4% of the transatlantic slaves. The NT has become a leftist paper, so it follows a hidden agenda, that's why it keeps on being blind concerning the whole picture. They don't want to see it, cause the theme of slavery is only a left-leaning tool to hit the conservatives by shaming them, and they are quite successful with that, cause they feel guilt, which is actually a sign of humanism, whereas in other regions of the world people don't give a damn concerning their past of slavery. In a way they abuse the African Americans for their purposes by giving them the sweet poison victim card, so they have the benefit of being fake-virtuous and their enemies drown in guilt. Its an ugly patronizing game only the left gets a benefit, surely not the blacks, remember John telling the story from the sub in NY. Blacks will decline further and the left will say it was the ugly system. They are not interested in the outcome of all the poison goodies they offer, they want to feel good by being ignorant, otherwise they would teach to fish and not give fish.
Lol this is America. The 1619 project was about slavery in UsA and the effects through out American history . But ok dude
There is a sense in the West (especially "Left") that the Slavery was, directly or indirectly, caused by Enlightenment and Scientific Revolution.
But as Steven Pinker says countless time, that slavery was before the Enlightenment; slavery in ancient Rome, slavery in the Islamic world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world
It was the Enlightenment values that abolished slavery around the world.
@@LiquidSoul06 There is a sense in the West (especially "Left") that the Slavery was, directly or indirectly, caused by Enlightenment and Scientific Revolution.
But as Steven Pinker says countless time that chattel slavery was before the Enlightenment; slavery in ancient Rome, slavery in the Islamic world.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world
It was the Enlightenment values that abolished slavery around the world.
Wow, amazing. The voices of intelligence, reason and tolerance. So unusual these days, and so very appreciated.
Plus the recognition that history and social problems are complex.
@@6aviotero Exactly, there is never one simple cause for social problems. Thinking that there is, is ideology, not reason.
@@jaynehunter6937 and it leads to injustice and war.
Write a book about the NY subway John
And thank you both by the way 🙏 I absolutely agree! It’s so sad that people want this taught in our schools
love this conversation, need people like this in Scandinavian higher ed.
Glenn, I've been around long enough and thought about it long enough that I don't need your cover. I'm capable of rational/logical thought. I'm just glad that I'm no longer teaching at the University. Keep up the good work.
Glenn and John. Its true, your balanced, nuanced and unideological views give cover to some right-wingers, I've seen such also with some comments. Truth can always be used from the honest and the ugly, but I think, there is no loop out unless you stop speaking, which would be a disaster, two honest truth seekers abandoning the open. If you see such comments, why don't you pick them out and speak about them and emphasize your genuine position to them. So you stay clean and the twisters get the answer that you are not on their sides. Don't stop speaking your mind, only because it could be abused. Tanks for your work, you two are important as speaker of honesty and reason in hysterical times.
Great point
Why now? Proximal cause: It's the 400th anniversary of Jamestown.
No, Jamestown was 1607. The colony was more than a decade old before the huge mistake of bringing slaves to the English colonies began.
But he is talking about intention. Anyway,. Jamestown was settled in 1607, by the English.
At the very last, did John say "I can't talk about this stuff in class"? (but hopefully they can watch me online)
Yes he did. Look what happened to Brett Weinstein ( Evergreen), Bari Weiss ( NYT), to authors like JK Rawling. Today, people who speak the truth or question prevailing ideology can ruined their professional and social life.
We need to know this for a reason!
These are two of the greatest minds of our country.
This is an interesting conversation. I like to hear different opinions argued intelligently and honestly. Thank you.
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
Also articles exposing identity politics.
Thank you for your honest intellectual look at this.
@39:40 "the people with the three names"! hahahahaha hahahahaha so observant!
11:19 Why now? Because 2020 is around the corner and we've got to keep racial resentment at a maximum to get out the vote. So how about we write endlessly about how awful slavery and the white folks were.
Timothy Somerville did you listen to the podcast?
@The One it's still alive and well in Mauritania, a couple hundred miles away from where I live.
I found a link to this video from the National Review group on Facebook. I was just curious (I honestly wasn’t familiar with the 1619 Project). Now I’m going to subscribe.
Try reading the world socialist website articles on the 1619 project, the following link is a good place to start
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html
The WSWS articles exposes the historically fraudulent 1619 project.
Do a search on the WSWS website as there are numerous articles and interviews.
Also articles exposing identity politics.
very informative, thank you!
Thank you for providing me cover with your common sense intellectual approach on all things.
How can we stop the partiality of the 1619 Project from being taught in our schools? My former city of Newark, NJ is among the cities planning on teaching this version of history this 2020 season.
Look up the 1776 Project. And demand that your child’s school not teach it. Newark is tough, (I was born there) but if you have enough parents with you, you may get it taken out of the curriculum. It’s poison.
You have to get on the school board and gather support from like minded parents. To confront this insanity you need to familiarize yourself with the ideology. It's essentially post modernism. neomarxism and critical theory that has been taught at universities since about the 60's. The reason this is taking over is because the once students have taken over all out institutions ( government, education, business journalism, law etc etc etc). So it's not just limited to a small but vocal minority. I am still learning about this toxic ideology. It's very complicated. It explains why rioters are destroying Confederate statues as well as statues of abolitionists. Why the gender unicorn is being taught to kindergarteners. Why it's not that they dont listen to diverse opinions but that they dont think there is no such thing as free speech. Why the rioters shout kill America, and why they are calling for a revolution to tear down all out institutions. I can recommend you listening to James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose and Boghossian ( authors of the grevience studies hoax). I suggest starting with James Lindsay. Watch as many of his interviews on u- tube as you can. Good luck. The more you understand what's going on the more terrified you will be.
Just to be perfectly clear, you have to be familiar with this ideology in order to prevent it being taught in schools. Supporters will say that 1619, just like the book White Fragility, is ultimately meant to reduce racism. Implicit in this will be that naysayers are themselves uminformed and racist. When the truth is that 1619 distorts/ rewrites history and support the narrative that our country is institutionally and systematically racist. You will not be able to win without using their own arguments. against them.
Great talk, very insightful.