And yet it plays a lot different then a real piano. Obviouslt you might say, but it’s not that different in positioning. The tap is just much different all those years practicing don’t actually are actually working against you when you’r trying to be expressive...
Not entirely true. Pianos are very sensitive dynamically. Certainly you cant pitch bend or add vibrato but you can play quite expressively still. There may not be any aftertouch but the way you physically approach the keys can determine how the notes sound. There's a bit of semantics involved but it still makes a difference.
It's not like a linnstrument or some other left field idea that encapsulates the ideas of the seaboard, but completely revamps how we play on the thing The seaboard is an evolution of the keyboard/piano. Taking a familiar concept like the keyboard, applying ideas for expressive playing (vibrato, slide, etc) but passing them through the filter of how humans approach music playing and keeping the concept of human touch in mind with the squishy surface It truly is the melding of expressive playing, human familiarity and human interfacing. It's a keyboard, but also not. It's a digital instrument with an analog ideology
I admit that it is a revolutionary design and a fantastic innovation. I love its look and feel. Jordan Rudess is the Progressive Musical Prophet and I can only think of him bringing the God's "seaboard message" to the masses :) In addition, players must be named as "seaboardist", rather than "pianist" or "keyboardist". As an example, Cory Henry plays it as a keyboardist and not so fancy ( sorry no offence.. ). On the other hand Marco Parisi plays it as a "seaboardist". When you watch their youtube videos back to back, you'll see the difference and what I mean.. :) The main reason is the playing mechanics cause a disadvantage for a classical pianist to benefit as it is in this form. It is quite hard to get CLEAN NOTES while playing either "Presto", "Vivace" or even any tempo with an "Accelerando". It seems to me that this instrument - with the way it is - may only serve to synth type players or movie composers. And maybe to amateur hobbyists ( if the price drops significantly ! ). Regards,
Since I'm primarily a guitarist, I always felt that the traditional keyboard was limited in terms of expression. After seeing the demonstration of the Roli, I think I've found a synthesizer input solution that approaches or surpasses the expressiveness of a guitar or violin. But are you limited to the proprietary synthesizer software that comes with it? And how well does the Roli play with the hardware synthesizers I already own?
Sorry, but that's ALL you can do. The VERY essence of Keyboard makes notes discrete. What this thing is doing, like the Haken is interpolating a continuum. a Guitar string IS a continuum. All you are doing is what you said yourself, EMULATING. Is not the real thing, is an imitation. For a guitarist to emulate a piano all they have to do is learn how to tap properly, check out Stanley Jordan, Chris Broderick and Guthrie Govan.
the focus for me is his skill and connection with the instrument and music. I have a seaboard 61, im not sponsored, and I love it! it is its own creature ... im a synthesist but this is like the Star Wars version of an instrument... I feel very Sithy when I jam! 😜✌️
i think deep down inside Jordan wanted to play Guitar lol. he is a great pianist but i don't see why he always has to play distortion Guitar sounds on a keyboard. he definitely has the fingers that are more then fast enough to learn to play guitar and shred the crap out of it.
10 notes that can be played simultaneously > 6 notes a keyboard layout is more efficient for playing more notes, plus there's binomial muscle memory but stringed instruments are more expressive why not get the best of both worlds
I feel like I would really like this. My main instrument is guitar, so whenever I play a keyboard I instinctively try to do vibrato by wiggling my fingers on the keys
Does this keyboard allow you to play guitar sounds much more realistically since you have independent finger control over notes? Or even brass instruments like Saxaphone?
Great Video. May I request you to listen in depth to the sounds and timber of the INDIAN INSTRUMENT "SARANGI" and "SEHNAI". They are extremely difficult to be emulated in any synth. I think seaboard is the perfect instrument to recreate them.
That thing is pretty wild. Looks like it is very comfortable and easy on the fingers. I like the bending, but it always sounds very soft, like you have to bend EVERY note, or is it the constant echo that makes it sound noisy?. Can't you get sharp notes without the echo like the guitar?
Can anyone suggest a suitable keyboard stand for the Seaboard Grand Stage (the 61 key version)? Ideally taking into account the lateral movement caused by the vibrato gesture. In my case it'll be staying in one place so it doesn't need to be portable. Incidentally, does anyone know which stand Jordan is using for this demonstration?
If you've been listening to guitars your whole life and you finally get a tool that delivers.....then. In a few years we'll start to hear what can really be done with this thing...
I tried it out in the store and its not comfortable for the fingers for an extended time. I havent heard much about it since, im sure its going out of business
Wow! An instrument that lets you modulate pitch, timber, and tone all while playing! That's so unique! Nothing else like it! (Except pretty much all brass instruments)
Its super cool but...... can it sound like a piano/keyboard? Everyone always uses it to make all these cool sounds that I wonder if it can actually sound like a piano?
+Jarom Eubanks It doesn't make any sounds, it is only a MIDI controller, it sends MIDI note and continuous controller data to a synthesizer or a computer with some VSTi running in a DAW. So yes, with a sample player loaded with any piano sample set, it can sound like a piano.
+Jarom Eubanks Well, for that, you can get an actual piano. Or a simple keyboard controller with piano sounds. Since the piano doesn't have vibrato or aftertouch or continuous pressure sensitivity, sounding like a piano defeats the whole purpose of getting this controller...
@aandarcom Yea I know, Im just going crazy trying to find someone playing it as an actual piano and not some sort of alien language contact space thing.
+Joerg Fritsch Well, not very legit. This is expensive and with a very specific purpose. People who buy it pressumably already have several conventional controllers. It's not meant to be used as a spare when a regular piano/keyboard isn't around.
i see the future. first this will be the only instrument learned in school. then this will be the tool that will be used for those self learning programs eliminating the musician. its just that good. god i hope I'm wrong.
Very interesting, thank you. Actually, one of the first things I noticed was that you can't bend a note more than an octave. But perhaps that's a MIDI limitation; I can't think why else the bending would stop there.
+Jim Delaney It's not a MIDI limitation, some of my synths can bend up or down several octaves, and will send that MIDI data out no problems... Maybe a programmed limitation in the controller?
I discovered more about the ROLI and MIDI. You can bend the pitch by sliding a finger from one keywave to the next and onward, but to match the bent pitch with the pitch you would get by tapping on that same place, you have to set the pitch range to ±12 semitones, i.e. one octave up or down.
I, Jordan, blessings from Chiapas, Mexico.. With this keyboard we have all features with midi.. Thinking of mixing technology.. With these keyboard, someday, we can use an iPad Pro, with a midi interface with MainStage and pro logic app, that is not available right know, but just dreaming😉, to play split, and layers? When you think this is going to be possible? Right know, I'm supposed that it's possible with midi, splits and layers with this keyboard?
Una excelente opción para todos aquellos "guitarristas" frustrados que nunca pudieron dominar las cuerdas por indisciplinados y se pusieron a tocar teclado.
Is there a bigger MUSICAL GENIOUS in the world right now??? I mean... who the fuck would've come up with this shit?? my jaw is just on the floor right now...
+Mauro Perasso Actually, this is not a new idea... people have been trying for awhile now. The tech just finally caught up with what the designers want. The Seaboard is the next logical step from the Haken Continuum.
The Seaboard: When the weird stuff the classical piano teachers say ("Dig in", "Flat fingers", "Release slowly") finally does something.
+euwbah haha so true
And yet it plays a lot different then a real piano. Obviouslt you might say, but it’s not that different in positioning. The tap is just much different all those years practicing don’t actually are actually working against you when you’r trying to be expressive...
Not entirely true. Pianos are very sensitive dynamically. Certainly you cant pitch bend or add vibrato but you can play quite expressively still. There may not be any aftertouch but the way you physically approach the keys can determine how the notes sound. There's a bit of semantics involved but it still makes a difference.
thats exactly the instrument ive had in my mind for years
This is really a milestone in the whole history of music.
He is like a sensei
+Germo91 he is.
Germo91 or like zz top, but very light version
master
He used to teach, so, he is technically
This keyboard did bring it to a whole other level❣️
I'd really like to hear a high quality Duduk sound being played with the Seaboard. That's my favorite instrument.
wow, speechleess, what a concept and the master Jordan himself!
Having come over to keys from guitar, this is freaking awesome!!!!
It's not like a linnstrument or some other left field idea that encapsulates the ideas of the seaboard, but completely revamps how we play on the thing
The seaboard is an evolution of the keyboard/piano. Taking a familiar concept like the keyboard, applying ideas for expressive playing (vibrato, slide, etc) but passing them through the filter of how humans approach music playing and keeping the concept of human touch in mind with the squishy surface
It truly is the melding of expressive playing, human familiarity and human interfacing. It's a keyboard, but also not. It's a digital instrument with an analog ideology
I admit that it is a revolutionary design and a fantastic innovation. I love its look and feel. Jordan Rudess is the Progressive Musical Prophet and I can only think of him bringing the God's "seaboard message" to the masses :)
In addition, players must be named as "seaboardist", rather than "pianist" or "keyboardist". As an example, Cory Henry plays it as a keyboardist and not so fancy ( sorry no offence.. ).
On the other hand Marco Parisi plays it as a "seaboardist". When you watch their youtube videos back to back, you'll see the difference and what I mean.. :)
The main reason is the playing mechanics cause a disadvantage for a classical pianist to benefit as it is in this form. It is quite hard to get CLEAN NOTES while playing either "Presto", "Vivace" or even any tempo with an "Accelerando".
It seems to me that this instrument - with the way it is - may only serve to synth type players or movie composers. And maybe to amateur hobbyists ( if the price drops significantly ! ).
Regards,
Since I'm primarily a guitarist, I always felt that the traditional keyboard was limited in terms of expression. After seeing the demonstration of the Roli, I think I've found a synthesizer input solution that approaches or surpasses the expressiveness of a guitar or violin. But are you limited to the proprietary synthesizer software that comes with it? And how well does the Roli play with the hardware synthesizers I already own?
Guitarists are just envious that we (keyboardists) can emulate them and they can not emulate us. Jordan is awesome and so it ROLI!!
keyboard and piano emulation exists on MIDI guitars.
Sorry, but that's ALL you can do. The VERY essence of Keyboard makes notes discrete. What this thing is doing, like the Haken is interpolating a continuum. a Guitar string IS a continuum.
All you are doing is what you said yourself, EMULATING. Is not the real thing, is an imitation.
For a guitarist to emulate a piano all they have to do is learn how to tap properly, check out Stanley Jordan, Chris Broderick and Guthrie Govan.
Try playing Chopin or Liszt on a guitar emulating the piano (or anything requiring large polyphony) lmao
You sound like music is a competition?
That was irony in case you didn't undetstand ;) peace...
This is definately a revolution this device.
The subtitles on at 2:42 is pretty funny
You mean that's *not* the name of his band?
Drain Theater :P Not so funny though I 've seen muuuuuch worse subtitles
It goes on to talk about rape...
the focus for me is his skill and connection with the instrument and music. I have a seaboard 61, im not sponsored, and I love it! it is its own creature ... im a synthesist but this is like the Star Wars version of an instrument... I feel very Sithy when I jam! 😜✌️
Feel free to place one of those in my home, thank you very much, I won't stop you! :D
i think deep down inside Jordan wanted to play Guitar lol. he is a great pianist but i don't see why he always has to play distortion Guitar sounds on a keyboard. he definitely has the fingers that are more then fast enough to learn to play guitar and shred the crap out of it.
totally agree with you bro! He should play guitar .......lol....
i think that too, actually he can play quite good , search on youtube "Jordan Rudess Guitar Shredding" from liquid tension experiment show
Lead sounds and distortion are not exclusive for guitars. Keyboards and guitar do things the other can't do. That's the beauty of music.
10 notes that can be played simultaneously > 6 notes
a keyboard layout is more efficient for playing more notes, plus there's binomial muscle memory
but stringed instruments are more expressive
why not get the best of both worlds
Jordan can play guitar pretty well, he's insanely talented at everything.
I feel like I would really like this. My main instrument is guitar, so whenever I play a keyboard I instinctively try to do vibrato by wiggling my fingers on the keys
That opening rendition was nuts.
He's playing the Sitar on a keyboard! Amazing! Hey Jordan! Where's the Tabla?
It IS the FUTURE ! ! ! Great job !
Love it and 100% the way forward 🎹
That nylon guitar sound was a beaut
He is the Gandalf of synth.
Does this keyboard allow you to play guitar sounds much more realistically since you have independent finger control over notes? Or even brass instruments like Saxaphone?
Wait a minute ... "I studied a lot at Juliard ..." "and then when I became a teenager ..." ?!?!?!?!?!?
+Ron Fleming He entered very young.
Coolest thing ever !
Great Video. May I request you to listen in depth to the sounds and timber of the INDIAN INSTRUMENT "SARANGI" and "SEHNAI". They are extremely difficult to be emulated in any synth. I think seaboard is the perfect instrument to recreate them.
This is so different expression that my brain doesn't feel comfortable with it. It still waits for sharp switch of sound, rather that bending :)
Mr. Jordan just showed this Roli seaboard a good time
That thing is pretty wild. Looks like it is very comfortable and easy on the fingers. I like the bending, but it always sounds very soft, like you have to bend EVERY note, or is it the constant echo that makes it sound noisy?. Can't you get sharp notes without the echo like the guitar?
it remind me a of the movie Prometheus when the engineers work with the control station
Can't believe he's 61 now....Doesn't look it, but he's at least 6 years older than all the other members of DT I think
takes time to master this.
Me I bought two seaboard blocks. I would like to understand more the difference with this one. Thanks
Can anyone suggest a suitable keyboard stand for the Seaboard Grand Stage (the 61 key version)? Ideally taking into account the lateral movement caused by the vibrato gesture. In my case it'll be staying in one place so it doesn't need to be portable. Incidentally, does anyone know which stand Jordan is using for this demonstration?
My goodness, this dude can play whatever kind of keyboard 🎹 ! John Petrucci would love to compete /jam with that!
So much expressive potential for a unique sound... but keyboardists keep trying to emulate guitars...
im a keyboard player and dont try to imitate guitar at all lol its just these dudes.
If you've been listening to guitars your whole life and you finally get a tool that delivers.....then.
In a few years we'll start to hear what can really be done with this thing...
Pitch bending and vibrato are not guitar exclusive. This instrument gives keyboardists new possibilities of expression.
Because they can emulate every other tonal change, except for glissando.
***** true. That is alot of fun. 😆
That sax sounds really good
Looks amazing !
I tried it out in the store and its not comfortable for the fingers for an extended time. I havent heard much about it since, im sure its going out of business
that beard looks glued on
You look glued on.
I like this, mod wheels and stuff are limiting to use, this is "mostly" a lot nicer approach!
13:47 WOW!!!! Just beautiful!...
well the crucial question is what vst is he using during 60% of the show? bcuz of course not Equator..
Price? Availability...?
obrigado por existir
Yes bro You could give clasess for Jesús molina
16:46 light up
Wow! An instrument that lets you modulate pitch, timber, and tone all while playing! That's so unique! Nothing else like it!
(Except pretty much all brass instruments)
TheFalcoSparverius And every stringed instrument.
But you can't use these as midi controllers
(except for guitars with midi pickup)
Man, that kind of shit is right up Rudess' alley !
I really like the melody at 21:30. Is there any name :)?
Its super cool but...... can it sound like a piano/keyboard? Everyone always uses it to make all these cool sounds that I wonder if it can actually sound like a piano?
+Jarom Eubanks It doesn't make any sounds, it is only a MIDI controller, it sends MIDI note and continuous controller data to a synthesizer or a computer with some VSTi running in a DAW.
So yes, with a sample player loaded with any piano sample set, it can sound like a piano.
+Jarom Eubanks Well, for that, you can get an actual piano. Or a simple keyboard controller with piano sounds.
Since the piano doesn't have vibrato or aftertouch or continuous pressure sensitivity, sounding like a piano defeats the whole purpose of getting this controller...
+foljs I think it is a legitimate question. Sometimes you need a plain piano sound and you don't want to have two pieces standing around.
@aandarcom Yea I know, Im just going crazy trying to find someone playing it as an actual piano and not some sort of alien language contact space thing.
+Joerg Fritsch Well, not very legit. This is expensive and with a very specific purpose. People who buy it pressumably already have several conventional controllers. It's not meant to be used as a spare when a regular piano/keyboard isn't around.
So does this design have poly aftertouch?
i see the future. first this will be the only instrument learned in school. then this will be the tool that will be used for those self learning programs eliminating the musician. its just that good. god i hope I'm wrong.
is this a midi input?
did not know that schillinger is so musical.
The trick is not to sound like a computer, if we can do that, I'm all In.
It's not the "royal school of design" - that's in Denmark.
I suspect it's the RCA, Royal College of Art.
How many sea blocks is that
THE MASTER.
Very interesting, thank you. Actually, one of the first things I noticed was that you can't bend a note more than an octave. But perhaps that's a MIDI limitation; I can't think why else the bending would stop there.
+Jim Delaney It's not a MIDI limitation, some of my synths can bend up or down several octaves, and will send that MIDI data out no problems... Maybe a programmed limitation in the controller?
I discovered more about the ROLI and MIDI. You can bend the pitch by sliding a finger from one keywave to the next and onward, but to match the bent pitch with the pitch you would get by tapping on that same place, you have to set the pitch range to ±12 semitones, i.e. one octave up or down.
does he use Equator ?
I, Jordan, blessings from Chiapas, Mexico.. With this keyboard we have all features with midi.. Thinking of mixing technology.. With these keyboard, someday, we can use an iPad Pro, with a midi interface with MainStage and pro logic app, that is not available right know, but just dreaming😉, to play split, and layers? When you think this is going to be possible? Right know, I'm supposed that it's possible with midi, splits and layers with this keyboard?
It probably needs its own sample library.
We came here because of the beard. For no reason.
vst?
TARKUS!!!!
i want that sound from 17:20 on dream theater's new album
+Michal Szeman home.
+Efe Öztürk VST NE?
+Michal Szeman Tamboura
The next shiny new toy Gizmo. Buddy can play though. Kids, learn to play before you buy one.
he is good!!!! the beard is in wright place dude tell'n you !!
Why does no one play this with two hands????
why dont you make it out of silk that way we feel like we are dreaming or in bed comfortable
Jordan doesn't need to play guitar, just the Seaboard Rise.
can someone give me the link to buy this weird piano?
www.google.com/
I wish I could afford one of these but they're very expensive in my opinion.
+Freddy Flores actually they gone significantly cheaper with release of RISE versions :)
That beard is the coolest shit ever
Una excelente opción para todos aquellos "guitarristas" frustrados que nunca pudieron dominar las cuerdas por indisciplinados y se pusieron a tocar teclado.
I NEED IT
Alien from "Battleship"?
need Evolution of the Keyboard for the pc to :D
Other instruments be like: should we die?
Great Sampling.OK
Ты не удивил Меня никак
WHAT A SILLY KEYBOARD.
You mean game changer lol yes it is
It's such a shame that the Roli had such poor implementation on the DAW side of things.
Why the heck would Cr🍎 remove the lightning in the back of the screen. It’s lost too much charm and elegance‼️
It looks like it would be difficult to play in anything other than C major.
David Marsilia maybe you set the key
L. J. Sprague Well that's one idea, but then how do you modulate between the keys? It seems like even Jordan had some difficulty with that.
He would look so much better without that beard
Is there a bigger MUSICAL GENIOUS in the world right now??? I mean... who the fuck would've come up with this shit?? my jaw is just on the floor right now...
+Mauro Perasso Actually, this is not a new idea... people have been trying for awhile now. The tech just finally caught up with what the designers want. The Seaboard is the next logical step from the Haken Continuum.
Roli Seaboard > Linnstrument
Eauwwww
Auto tune must hate this thing. “Music with feel? ...absolutely not!”
я так же кмею
I want your hand😭😭😭
I've got a couple of Jordan's videos.....of course he had a lot more hair then
Good thing for ROLI there are above 1 000 000 000 people in India ...
I wonder what Daft Punk could do with something like this.
Some Commenters sound so ignorant...... they must really be drummers
don't give this to Staropoli, please.