ohnePixel shocked by Part 2 of "The Dark Reality behind CSGO."
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I think what people don't understand from the video is that he's not talking about regular gambling where there a licences and rules.
He's talking about the unregulated gambling where minors can gamble, where they don't check if you can gamble that much and that it is a real addiction that you get easily when you are a minor
Cs:go = gambling+competitive game
I have lost 6 USD when I was ten . That was 40 of my currency
Exactly dude, that's exactly what people do not understand.
licensed gambling ain't much more ethical than unlicensed. We use the word licensed and regulated to somehow convince ourselves its inherently okay, but it's still excessively predatory. You can literally get banned from casinos, at least in the US, for counting cards, which isn't cheating! Just means you got a good memory and understand probability and the casino will be like, "no, that's unfair." Gambling, not even amongst children, but amongst adults is often considered the most lethal addiction simply because of suicide
ohne plays a big part in getting kids addicted to unregulated gambling. Not as in shady gambling websites, but cs:go cases, which is also unregulated. Any kid can buy a paysafecard from the gas station and gamble away their pocket money. I have no idea why he reacted to this since he should feel called out aswell
@@shrek1onDVD Licensed casinos undergo oversight, ensuring fairness, player protection, and responsible gambling. They're accountable to regulations, offer dispute resolution, and contribute to local economies. Unlicensed casinos lack these safeguards, making licensed ones more ethical and responsible choices. These are all points mentioned in the video.
No matter how lucky you are (or unlucky) we have to remember that casinos naturally operate to generate revenue.
Practices like banning people for counting cards all comes down to local laws for private companies. If you don't agree with these practices then you shouldn't be gambling in that casino in the first place. This is something I would consider the customers responsibility, as such practices would be stated in a Terms of Service clause.
at the end of the day you can no longer sugarcoat this shit,
chat was terrible on this one wow
They always are dude. His chat is full of actual morons
you can read how his mods say opening cases is a "hobby" and not gambling at all... I respect this guy because he sat through the entirety of the two videos and made his chat watch it, but it's hard for to me to discern if he's in favor of this or not since he is one of the biggest cs streamers and his content is basically talking about skins, their value and opening cases. At least he recognizes that csgo cases are gambling and that its a big problem, but he is also a major gear in this problem.
The guy in the red shirt looked so broken , he is about to do the greatest comeback in humankind history
im a viewer who watches ohne and i enjoy his videos alot, and yet, i have never felt tempted to even try csgo let alone gamble, i love his content tho 10/10 in the chat
Maybe you’re better than most ! Because I definitely know that many people that watch ohne unbox cases are influenced !
i like watching him cus he makes me want to get up and play csgo, not gamble tho, maybe a capsule or 2 but not really much
@@imBrainstorm I was into skins years ago and stopped spending money, after binge watching ohne i have spent nearly £5000 on gambling sites
For cards to be considered gambling you have to be opening them with the intention of pulling a nice card. Reason i say this is if your actually playing the card game then your looking for good cards wether they are worth a lot or not.
Couldnt you say the same for skins? I have dozens of safari mesh AWPs, I nought them because I find value in them even though they are worthless. Skin value isnt the sole reason for opening capsules etc, some people want to get anything they feel looks cool, not only something valuable
When he reacted to the video comparing Valorant skins he literally said the value was a "pro" towards csgo but now he says it has no effect
If it involves any sort of real world currency to acquire than it should be considered gambling. The second money is involved that's when people get in trouble. If CS Cases were self contained with case currency being acquired through gameplay alone with the only money needed being the set price of the game then the problem would squarely fall on the third party sites but valve charges you real money for a chance at something, that sounds like the classic definition of gambling.
Gambling shouldnt be illegal, but all online gambling should be illegal, no matter if its regulated. The fact that we all automatically by simply having access to the internet, whether by phone or computer, means we all have slot machines in our house and in our pockets at all times is wild, you don't even have to go to the casino anymore. If I'm not allowed to have a casino put a physical slot machine in my house that's still in use for gambling purposes, why should I then be allowed to use my computer to play slots? It's the same thing
Being a braindead sped should be illegal its so insanely easy not to gamble while those sites are available thats like banning the use of your hands cuz you can strangle someone
Who fuckin cares? Fuckin Karens man..
Probably true, easier said than done though.
you are responsible. let idiots be idiots and stop whining. unless u have 0 control or know someone who has 0 control of themselves u should just shut it.
The best way to open cases is by quick opening them and not letting the slot machine visual play as that thing is not just a harmless visual. It causes the "near miss effect" (UC Berkley published a paper titled The Psychology of the Near Miss), which can lead to a gambling addiction.
I don't think ohne has a gambling addiction, and I know that with the case openings he does, he is gambling what he can afford. But, chatters might look at his openings and be temped to open cases, and who knows what their financial status is like.
I'll never get how you can be addicted to gambling of all things (I know that it exists but I can't wrap my head around it).
i gambled maybe 150 - 200 bucks in my entire life and not once did I think that the excitement outclasses the frustration.
Sure, getting double the amount back is a nice feeling but it was unbearable to continue after losing it again
you get addicted when you win big fast or when chasing losses. dont find out. good you dont know.
I can’t understand getting addicted to csgo cases that’s insane, but gambling in-which you ca win a life changing amount of money absolutely has some appeal to it
Look at how slot machines are designed, flashing lights, loud noises, near misses. It is all intentional, they literally hire psychology professionals to make it give you just the right amount of dopamine for addiction.
people with adhd add autism anger issues which makes up for alot of gamers/cs players have much more need of dopamine and in that case get addicted
I already watched the original video but I'm watching this video purely for the Aware moments xdd omE
Valve forgot AWARE
I felt like I've spent atleast 800$ on cases but ive suprisingly only spent 180 over the course of 3 years
If you truly want to cut the gambling mechanics as much as possible from your content you could:
1. Always show cost and odds of the openings and trade-ups right before doing them, including average outcome (expected loss)
2. Completely edit out the roll/slot machine part AND your inital dopamin/gambling reaction
The latter point is 100% the gambling mechanics and a trigger for your audience. This would obviously take away much of the excitement from your content, but that also highlights just how central gamling actually is to what you do.
I absolutely respect the fact that you do this first and foremost because of your passion for the skins, and don't question your motives of doing what you do. But make no misstake, constantly uploading videos of yourself rolling the CSGO-slotmachine and your dopamine fuled reaction when winning, is for sure contributing to gambling addiciton, regardsless of your reasons for doing it.
I'm not saying that you are bad for doing what you are doing now, I'm not even saying that it would be resonable for you to do this considering how much it would affect the excitement in your content/potentially your income, I'm just pointing out what you could do to minimize your contribution to this eco-system.
It's all about raising awareness of the risks and consequences. Gambling should purely be about the entertainment of getting lucky and not about the hopes of making money.
If all the risks has been unfolded beforehand and you still choose to ignore that, can you really blame the individual who chooses to promote such entertainment?
Removing the slot machine part will essentially remove the majority of the entertainment bit. Dopamine is the driving factor so it's indeed tricky.
@@Sanguinaryyy In my view it is about more than awareness.
As I said, Ohne is very actively contributing to this eco-system by uploading his gambling and reactions to thousands of minors, who (for some insane reason) also have acess to the same slotmachines designed to maximize gambling (addiction).
"THIS FEELING! OMG I FEEL SO ALIVE RIGHT NOW!! OMG, I'M SO ADDICTED I THINK" - Ohnes own words from the video.
Again, I'm not blaming Ohne for his motives, I'm just saying that he/we can't ignore the outcome, which clearly contributes to this eco-system.
I think the discussion of “i like the skin” can be valid but it’s true that even if a skin is horrible if it is expensive you are happy. I find the pink gloves horrendous but i would be happy if i found them cuz they are worth a lot. The other way around i love glock bunsen burner and i would be happy even if it was a loss cuz i would use it 100%
never gambled before, but for some reason this video inspired me to give it a try
ohne is so smart and self aware like its unseen in this days
Next week: ohne big case opening in front of 10.000 14 year olds Promotion "the hobby"
True
In 10 years i have spent 500$, which is a lot more than I expected to be honest, I expected a couple hundred not a lot of those are cases cause I have opened maybe 20 cases ever, I usually open a bunch of major sticker capsules when they get on sale, plus I have almost every operation and pickems badge so those also add up as well
31:30 - 3kliksphilip's music. LOVE IT
why don't anyone think that valve is in on it with content creators is beyond me .....
Couple of hundreds spent in cs/cs gambling sites during the last 10 years, 20k-25k € in Fifa during the same amount of time, Fifa is in my opinon is way worse then CS cases.
Im literally 15 and have spent nearly 3k thank you for this video it made me check to help me realize what ive done
damn that's sad... just opened vsm and dexter holos 2 days ago tho
After finishing this video I opened a case, first one in 2+ years. AK bloodsport MW. EZ Clap
His name jeff
my man got cooked
I banned myelf from every gambling csgo site. Even after begging them for letting me play again they keypt me banned regardless. They did not care what i said. Eventually they told me i need a new steam account and a new ip. Lol glad i didnt do it when i was younger. The trick was to tell them that you are under age and that you want yourself banned. It was so quick you could not believe it
thug shaking
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gambling just isnt for me. I enjoy once a month at most, but I go into it with cash I am willing to lose. CS skins is another gravy. They are gambling regardless. I think the only potential loop hole is the fact you never actually get "cash" withdrawn. Its all kept within Steam; this seems like a viable argument if any action was brought towards Valve.
Can't open cases in NL
Feel pretty good about it 🎉
Got a gambling ad on the Video
😂😂😂
Yes, there is self-exclusion from Trading, as in, Crypto/Futures trading. Anything that involves margin and you are deemed a "retail client", will be monitored on your deposits and losses. Considerable or consistent losses incurs contact from your exchange/broker. For any of the conventional market brokers, at least in the UK, will be like this. For Crypto exchanges, that want to comply with UK FCA laws; they will need to do the same. I do know Binance (the biggest crypto exchange) have self exclusion options.
I want an undate on Garrett, he seemed so down to earth abt his issues and you could really tell he wanted to change.
Ohne opens cases so we dont have to
True! at 21 PM we gonna see the Highlights from the 1000 Case battle VS Monte on this Channel ;)
@@jeansRig so 9pm what ? CET?
yes yes@@Ninehusss
this video made me want to relapse
man i just want ANY knife 😭
if smone sell case, it means, that smone another will open it
I spend money every time I open CZcams and see someone pull something just to get trash and waste my money
You mean from the earnings of youtube? :D
Yeah, its gambling, but its an R rated, adult game. I have no issue with loot boxes when they're in a game for adults. But if it's a game like fifa or nba 2k, I don't agree with that.
But there is no enforcement of age. A 12 year old can play csgo with literally 0 issues
@depecher6s311 agreed, but a lot of these issues are due to parenting. It's almost like parents have no idea what their kids are playing. (Until they get their credit card bill) I remember being grounded as a kid for playing Mortal Kombat.
@@SleepyEdd yeah parents are definitely a part of the problem, but are by no means the only part.
@@depecher6s311 no, they are the only part lol this is just a parental issue
@@chandude3no it absolutely is not. Parents have some level of responsibility, but the vast majority do not even know what CS is, and if they knew the gambling mechanics behind it, they would never let their children play it. But because the gameplay itself is completely normal for a shooter and the gambling aspect is (in a way) hidden unless you get deep into it, it’s impossible for parents to find out.
Yes, CS is obviously a game made for adults, but companies that make these type of games must be aware that there’s no verification to stop underage players, so the possibility of underage gambling must be known.
Even excluding the underage aspect, the game itself, like the interviewees were saying, is a ‘gateway drug’ for online CS casinos.
chucky cheese lol
just sayin game devs can do everything in the game technically. so if they wanted to do smthn about this, they would have. but its to much money to refuse 🤷
What about parents being able to prevent this whole thing by adding parental controll and a code when the child buys shit and on top of that the parent gets a email everytime something is refunded or bought so at the end of it its ALL on the parents they can controll ALL of it if they pay attention to what content their child is consuming
I mean by 15 all that usually stops if they did it in the first place not a lot of parents are gonna take away freedom from their 15-17 year old
Normalizing something really is scary especially when that thing is detrimental to your long term health. Masturbation for example is so normal that almost most of the world is doing it despite the glaring issues it causes but because its normal, people dont think about it.
It’s too late now
I mean yes, i do gamble pretty regularly. But never have i seen it as a problem even though i have used quite a bit of money. Since every time i have put x amount of money on a gambling site i have only deposited as much as i can afford to lose and not causing a problem. Ive won some but also lost some. The adrenaline is not worth going all in with your life savings lol.
You mean when you gamble you lose money? Bro no way 🤯🤯🤯🤯
I don't like how he keeps trying to justify his gambling addiction
he IS addicted LMAO
Omg you are so oblivious
hypocrisy
csgo cases aren't considered gamling because you can't sell items for "REAL" money if you sell them on 3rd party sites for real money that is considered anti TOS and steam balance even though representing real money isn't considered as such because it isn't withdrawable "no you buying a steam deck and selling it isn't withdrawal"
i feel this is kinda a loophole for valve to keep cases in csgo. would anyone open cases if you couldnt sell them for real money?
@@booklagecodwarriorthey would but a lot less would be openeded just like most games with loot boxes
That's a loophole for valve, store credit is absolutely real world currency that is only allowed to stay within that stores marketplace/ecosystem. Doesn't make it any less real. Those credits allow you to buy things on steam, hence it's real money. It only hurts people to think otherwise. I'm talking about video game companies in general with this next statement, but the fact we've allowed companies to literally create their own currencies is straight up wild. Robux, V-bucks, whatever R6 siege money is called. It's insane. They wouldn't be allowed to print their own physical currency, but since it's digital it's somehow okay? Literally makes no sense especially when many of us ain't even use cash anymore and are using debit or credit cards, essentially just digital money
@@shrek1onDVD yeah, i actualy havent thought of how fcked that is, good point
This was discussed, either in this video or the first part (I don't recall). In some countries, regardless of whether or not the platform (Valve, in this case) says that it is allowed or not allowed to cash out, if a way to do IS readily available, then that fulfills that requirement to be considered gambling.
TLDR: Valve saying cashing out isn't allowed doesn't necessarily mean it's not gambling.
But what do you expect from a game that’s FREE TO PLAY, tbh cs is doing better then 9/10 other games, best majors, best active community and the cases saved cs so much and made a lot of smart and lucky people rich. You can see the steam market just like bitcoin or other coins/infest
Holy cope what is this naivety. Use your brain
@@oranzbowl true wtf is this man huffing
Its not valves fault that skins are worth so much it the community. Since it is a free market with demand driving cost. Valve know that the skins now are worth a crazy amount of money with a sticker costing 80k. How can they stop that. Removing Trading. That would make no sense. Also doing that would ruin a lot of people who use the counterstrike market as a ligitment stream of income. The gambling is bad, many games have loot boxes that cost money, but no way to sell thoses items such as in overwatch 1 so item are at a stuck price and no way to sell the skins besides accounting. Games like fortnite have a similar issue but a lot less as you can sell your acount but not your skins.
And why does the skins are worth so much?
Who created the demand?
people seem to always forget that CS is an M rated game, aka 18+ so who tf cares
My view: let people who make their own money do what they want with it.
so let people be exploited because the made their own money? re tar d take
@@ratwhocankickflip What other people do with their money is of no concern to me. If you are old enough to have a job, but stupid enough to spend thousands of dollars on pixels when you can’t afford it; then it’s on you.
@@evocati_ you could use this re tar d take on literally anything, do you have problems with alcohol? Its your fault and entirely your fault only! No the bar shouldn't do anything its your fault! Wtf are you? 14? 15? C'mon, wake up, if you dont care about other people just remember that if someday you end up in a similar situation, the others could think the same about you.
This has to be the dumbest take I have seen this year. That is the same thing as if the police would tell you that it is your problem if your house is being robbed because you bought it with your money
brother we are talking about minors
Cases aint gambling since you always get something back and that's why they wont stop with it.
You have to make a line somewhere and if you say cases are gambling then so many products in the world get banned, like surprise eggs but even card boosters etc.
28:06 that's just plain wrong, yes valve is basically rewarding you, but not with a discount to open it, BECAUSE of their market you could just sell it and buy a game or accumulate and buy some hardware.
And kids don't work so they can't have any money, if their parents give them money then they should monitor what they spent it on.
That is bullshit. Cases by definition are gambling. You’re putting in a monetary investment with the option of either making money or losing money completely by chance. There’s no strategy behind it, or ways to get back your losses except by gambling more.
stop react content pls
@unconsistentone5385 dont watch ?
Bro if this guys ruins gambling in gonna be pissed ong. Not my fault kids hop on this game and gamble monitor them. And its not my fault people have no self control. I've actually profited off of my skins so screw u for tryna ruin it bc of the mentally challenged. I advocate for regulation Online gambling regulations should be established across the board and drop rates should be verified and monitored.
That is also what he is saying too. Much of what Jeff has mentioned is the fact that it's mostly not regulated and has caused issues for people that they would have more resources to stop a problem that right now doesn't exist. If it was regulated these videos wouldn't have even come out because Jeff said he was finally going to consider taking a gambling sponsor but then it opened up this wormhole of unregulated and misleading websites. Also plenty of people believe they are up that aren't up. I never really had a problem with it but I believed I was up because of some skins I've won but when I looked back I was like just under even (less than $10)
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The game is rated M, for mature. Children shouldn’t have the fucking game, its 100% the parents fault.
angerly missing the point because he made $200 bucks despite this video showing its literally ruining peoples lives. you should go work for a tobacco company.