The truth is that it's about Survival. Savitar was born from grief and darkness from Iris's death, if Iris doesn't die, then Savitar will never come into existence.
@@tylerwade6539 Which is why I don’t understand why she had to die in that one specific moment. Why couldn’t Savitar try again later before his time ran out😂
“Creating the lie he’s the first speedster.” But he is… BECAUSE BARRY IS THE FIRST SPEEDSTER. This same isolation of separating Barry and Savitar cuz one is a duplicate is what drove the time remnant crazy in the first place.
@@tideghost Yeah but if you rewatch 3x09, the whole "First ever speedster" part of the myth came from Jay, which kinda hints that Savitar was going around to every Earth he could also spreading the myth. Barry was the first speedster on Earth-1, but Savitar Barry told the lie he was the first speedster ever, in the entire multiverse.
Cause that version of Barry didn't knew that savitar was his time remnant our version of Barry magically figured it out 🤣🤣 they could have done a better job at how Barry would figure out who is savitar but it felt so rushed
Savitar appears in 2017 -> Savitar fights Team Flash and kills Iris -> Barry creates Time Remnants to fight Savitar, he lets all but one live. That one is shunned, and loses his mind. -> Eventually, Team Flash beat Savitar, and imprison him in the Speed Force forever. -> The time remnant that went crazy leaves, and becomes Savitar (acquires suit, followers throughout history, spreads myth) -> Back to point one.
1)“Savitar appears in 2017” but from where 2)”Barry created time remnants to fight savitar, he kills all of the but one” how does he even kill that time remnant if savitar himself is supposed to be Barry’s time remnant
@@notkoto lil bro I watched the show like 6-7 times they explain it but not to the point that everything makes sense Cisco just says it’s an unending loop
@@Feitan_619 that literally what it mean idiot you aren't paying attention closely instead you talk out of your a$$ even savitar explain it he wanted to create another ssvitsr that would take his place if he lose which he did created a loop lmao
@@Feitan_619nah bro they really don’t understand there needs to be an origin… the paradox makes sense, no one is saying it doesn’t… but there literally needs to be an origin
Oh man seeing Keiynan working with the team makes me want to see him again in the final season. Let him be come back for 5 episodes before the finale, maybe congratulating Barry on the new/fixing the speed force and then getting a new suit.
Or throw us a curve and actually set up Keiynan to be Kid Flash (or a new version of Flash) in David Ramsay's Justice U, or even have him get dislocated to S&L Earth.
@@makisbizarreadventure4669 that would be a great way to have a passing of the torch that would also semi follow the comics. It would give a happy ending that Eric Wallace wanted for the show while also being a well written episode instead of having Cecile already be a hero just cause her FUTURE self has a suit and can fly now
@@IShowReserve how are u confused? Barry was the first ever speedster in history of speedsters. And (if u didnt watch the show spoiler alert) Savitar's real identity is Barry. Yeah, talk abour a plot twist. So Barry and Savitar are basically the same. So that makes Savitar the first speedster. Tho Savitar was created by Barry when Barry created a time remnant, aka A clone. So yeah.
@@stranger342 @Stranger Lol no need to be salty I just ask question also lot people are cobfuse and don't understand the plot about Savitar and also to let you know that I watch the show already from season 1 to 5 I need to watch season 6 whatever please just calm down no be mean........ So you are saying Savitar is the 1st speedster? Ok now listen I have 2 question about it : 1.How did Savitar create Savitar in the 1st place? 2.Savitar was not 1st speedster he just travel back to time(when he was inside the speedforce) to where was still not exist any kind of speedters or metahumans for create some group of believers so that he can get philosher stone anyway how can this consider him as a 1st speedter to the existence?
Yeah honestly I still don't understand who the first Savitar was But I think the time remnant somehow survived against Zoom and becomes the first Savitar but if that's the case why would he need to go forward in time to fight Barry and recreate a Savitar there when he could just do so with the remnnat from Zoom
@@yikes313 Honestly will make more sense if Savitar was future Barry like in comics(tho I never read that chapter of comics with future Barry) instead of time remant since time remant are basically paradox so are not suppose to exist.
@@yikes313 it's a time loop dude. There is no beginning and no end. Savitar is basically a living paradox. Barry's time remnant was always Savitar. Just like HR said, it's like asking what came first - chiken or the egg.
Funny thing is if Savitar got out of the loop, cuz of the speed force then he wouldn’t even need the loop to live, he’d be like Reverse Flash, a survivor
Naeem Latheef Parappurath well as you seen in this show changing one timeline doesn’t change all...so he still exist in his world but they should be able to change it to cut the loop
@@crashachet Always a true beginning to a time cycle/loop and always a way to end it....we've seen the way this cycle was ended. But I'd like to believe somewhere out there, there was an Original Savitar that was not a Time Remnant of Barry Allen...
@@devinbrown6650 Not necessarily so. There was a movie where a guy gets a necklace from his grandmother as a child. When he gets older, he somehow gets transported to the past, where he meets a young lady who he has sex with, then gives the necklace to that lady before returning to the future. That young lady was his grandmother, which he didn't know. So that leads the question, where did the necklace come from?
@@lilosi445 Every time loop has a beginning and an end somewhere and answering your question time is not cement like there is many possibilities thay could change the future so somewhere before all this started either your grandmother got that necklace from somewhere or you have got the necklace from somewhere and sent it to your grandmother so at some point of time the origins of that necklace exists somewhere else before you or your grandmother could possess it and it's the same thing with savitar cause somewhere along the line there was a real savitar like how earth 3 flash says he's a myth and show kind of his body from behind and that's definitely not Barry Allen cause the origins of savitar could be that the real savitar was facing Barry and killed iris for which Barry creates time remnants to destroy him and he kills all but one escapes and now the one remnant is so lonely that now he knows the original savitar is in speed force travel backs in time and finds how savitar got his power with the stone and takes it for himself and becomes savitar and in that timeline the original savitar won't exist cause Barry already has taken his place so all he had to do was kill iris again and again so that Barry will keep creating time remnants and the time loop or the bootstrap paradox remains intact this is the best possibility and the most believable one in my opinion cause to start a time loop you need to have origins at sometime or somewhere
@@Rohit-ei5mr Not necessarily. That example i showed was an actual movie with the bootstrap paradox. It was literally explaining the main character was his own grandfather. With your explanation, there should be 2 Savitars. The one that already killed Iris and the one that just got out of the speed force.
I'm not sure about this theory but what if "Savitar" Barry Allen was the one from Flashpoint? It's been a long time since I've seen the show but I remember that Barry asks Eobard to kill his mother to reset the timeline and the Barry that saved his mother was erased from existence.
Yea.. that’s… that’s exactly what is was. Savitar explained that Barry made a time remnant to stop Zoom. The TR died, and it would have stayed that way if Barry didn’t go back in time and save his mom. Because he did, that TR was shot out of the Speed Force, and became Flashpoint Savitar. Then when Barry fixed the timeline, that Savitar became the Savitar that was in the closed loop(the one the team fights this season). This Savitar held the memories of the FP Savitar. Your “theory”, is exactly how is was in the show.
@@brandenmarcum430 That’s not how it happened at all. The time remnant that you’re talking about that helped fight Zoom is dead. The reason why Savitar’s memories change as Barry’s memories change is because Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet. Years after Savitar kills Iris, Barry creates multiple time remnants to stop Savitar, and Savitar kills every single one of them except the one that would later become him. Because now there was a duplicate of Barry, Team Flash then rejected that Time Remnant and it drove him mad, which he then later became Savitar because of it.
@@Homeboy_Brando I know that time travel is a popular but confusing topic but that isn’t how it goes. Think about it for a sec. When Barry created the time remnant to stop Zoom, originally it did die. But after the TR’s death, Flash created flashpoint and as we flash fans all know, whenever flashpoint is created but then reset, it changes small bits in reality that didn’t used to be there (for example, Caitlin having powers and Cisco’s brother being dead). One of the things that is now in Barry’s reality that wasn’t once there is the TR surviving as it was saving the multiverse. The TR that was originally used to stop Zoom barely survived which might explain why Savitar has that scar. But when the TR survived, there were then two Barry Allens. However, Barry’s friend kept choosing to be with the original Barry instead of the TR. This causes the TR to become jealous and angry that it was constantly shunned and abandoned by the people he trusted and loved the most. To make that pain go away, the TR tried to become a god, aka Savitar, since god feel no pain. The TR then becomes a psychopath wanting to hurt its original by killing Iris. After Savitar kills Iris, Team Flash spends 4 years trying to stop Savitar and during that time, Barry made more TRs to try and stop Savitar. But to make sure Savitar still stays present, he takes advantage of Barry creating TRs and made sure to leave one TR so that it can experience all the things that Savitar experienced, leading the TR to eventually become Savitar. From when the TR survived and was shunned by his most loved ones, the entire cycle repeats itself. (Sorry if this explanation didn’t help. I just wanted to try and help you understand what Brenden Marcum was trying to say).
Why did Barry ignore that question at 1:25 about iris....ion like that and then the way she looked afterwards. I feel he's hiding something about salvitar (him) wanting to hurt her
They also forgot to mention Savitar gave the access codes to STAR labs to Adrian Chase. Which is possible because I believed that Savitar approached Prometheus because Of common foes and offered Chase to even the odds with his vendetta against the Green Arrow.
Well Prometheus suddenly showed up in the pipeline outside of Siren's cell. Savitar could HAVE been the one who let Adrian in. As Longshot it is, it IS plausible. Would have been cool to see Barry confront Adrian about helping Savitar (maybe Savitar provided Adrian a way for him to sneak into the Arrow cave? Barry was already helping Arrow from time to time, Savie could just search his brain for the codes)
Because Savitar killed both the love of his life and since he was a time remnant who lived everyone shunned him. He was broken. Then realized god feels no pain and decided to become one...No with this "time loop" scenario. Has to have a beginning. A real Savitar that isnt Barry & like all time loops. There's always a point where the loop breaks & ends. We saw the loop end. I feel like we will eventually see a beginning.
@@devintariel3769 well there are 2 of them there. It's so conplicated. Savitar mentioned when Barry created time remnant to fight Zoom, and that time remnant died. But that time remnant goes to speed force i guess and he is the one who fights a lot of time remnants and kills them all except for one, that later gets shunned and goes back in time. So fucked up, they never explained it properly...
@@taurusking_1997 That doesn't make sense , Barry created the time remnant to beat a " Savitar " and that time remnant later on becomes another Savitar. How can the Remnant be that Savitar when he wasn't even created yet.
@@mrHunleashesHELLis it possible that Zoom is the unofficial original Savitar because without Zoom, Barry wouldn’t have needed to call on the time remnant from the future? If Zoom never did what he was going to do in his finale prior to Zoom’s transformation into Black Flash, Savitar as a concept would never have been even considered.
Can someone clear up an issue I’ve had with this explanation for years? In the version of the time loop the explain, savitar attacks, barry traps him with a time remnant, time remnant becomes savitar. So, logically shouldn’t savitar be the free version of a time remnant who isn’t trapped yet? The way this season was done makes it seem like this time remnant is fulfilling the savitar role twice
It seems like it's been a continual cycle of Savitar fighting against team flash ending with Iris's death. Then the Time remnant becomes Savitar, starting the cycle again. If that's the case, there should be multiple Savitars trapped in the Speed Force, depending on the number of iterations. It almost reminds me of the John Conor/Kyle Reese element of The Terminator.
It's actually very simple they failed to explain it in the revealing episode properly but they left us many clues in season 3 to figure it out Firstly jay Garrick tells Barry that Savitar is a myth and they show him from behind that is the original savitar Secondly jay Garrick also tells that time Is not cement every action you do in present determines the future like it is not necessary that the future you saw will become your actual future cause you can change it by changing your actions Thirdly it's a bootstrap paradox like a time loop but every time loop but every time loop even though is an infinite circle should have a beginning and an end So now read this points carefully and understand my next comment
Now the explanation There is an original savitar like a speedster or human who becomes savitar by using the philosophers stone and recruiting acolytes like alchemy goes after Barry Allen in the original timeline and kills iris in the process. So Barry creates time remnants to trap savitar but they all fail and one time remnant escapes and he is shunned by everyone. The original savitar is later trapped by Barry Allen in speed force and that is the end of this origial savitars story ... Now the TR(time remnant Barry) becomes so alone and in so much pain wanted to do anything so that his pain would die and then he remembers about savitar and realised that good feels no pain and then comes up with his master minded plan TR Barry travels way back in time where the original savitar didn't become savitar yet so TR Barry uses the philosophers stone and becomes savitar himself and does everything the original savitar did by recruiting alchemy etc and becomes the god of speed but then he realises that if savitar dosent kill iris Barry would not make time remnants so this is where THE TIME LOOP BEGINS TRS(Time remnant savitar) in order to stay alive kills iris everytime so that Barry will create time remnant and then he spares one time remnant who will later become TRS so he is basically making sure he stays alive hence the time loop or bootstrap paradox begins This cycle ends when HR wells sacrificed himself instead of iris so TRS will not be in existence .THIS IS THE STORY OF TIME REMNANT SAVITAR
I Know after reading my explanation (your patience level is great) you might have some questions like what happened to original savitar?? If it's an infinite loop how did Barry defeat savitar?? Etc etc I'll try to answer these questions first if you have anything else feel free to ask me So about the original savitar ..... He simply is erased from existence because time remnant Barry travelled back in time and becomes savitar so the original person who would become savitar cannot become savitar anymore since there is already a savitar (time remnant) He would have a while different journey in this new timeline that Barry Allen created by travelling back in time like basically he created a flashpoint by becoming savitar For example if thawne or zoom travel back in time on the day when Barry Allen gets hit by lightning and the dark matter from particle accelerator and save him from getting struck by lightning ,, Barry Allen would not be the flash in this new timeline now he will just be a regular CSI so the Barry Allen who becomes flash and his timeline is simply erased from existence now someone else would become flash by the dark matter instead of Barry Allen So similarly the original savitar dosent exist anymore cause time remnant Barry becomes savitar And then time remnant savitar starts the loop by killing iris everytime Now to the second point.... How did team flash defeat savitar when Barry Allen's savitar already knows what happen???? It's simple when Barry throws the philosophers stone into the speed force he accidentally travels to future and sees iris getting killed.... In this time loop Barry could have gone to anyplace lime the past or even the future way ahead but in this particular season 3 time loop he luckily travels to the exact moment iris is killed so he knows what exactly happened and tries to do things differently hence HR wells was able to swap himself from iris like if team flash didn't even know whats savitars motive (to kill iris) they would have done things differently and iris would end up dead so this way team flash defeated savitar 😀😀😀 If you have anymore doubts ask me
when future barry made the time remnant to kill savitar, the time remnant lived which means the savitar barry try to kill originally, died. so that remnant went back in time and became savitar. it was a constant loop from the on
I believe he dose in a later scean or episode and Iris comes with the idea to try to change him by accepting him but it dosent work if i remember correctly
Still find it stupid that Cisco's solution was to try and stop Barry from making memories. I mean...why not just lock him in the pipeline until the date? Why did no one think of that? Or hell just have Barry chill in Oliver's prison in Lian Yu. Especially since they have a speedster that could save the city.
Technically the way it was represented looked n sounded cool but if you dig down deep it makes no sense . The loop of time remnant came first or savitar is the most confusing shit they showed ..
@SD I appreciate your effort to start this topic but I've wrapped up frm this . The S05E08 episode where thawne tells Nora about Barry being Savitar just makes 0 sense and I'll tell you why . The timeline that thawne was frm. Is the original timeline Since it was s01 episode the day Harthley was caught etc . That thawne was frm OG timeline where there was actually no Savitar . Thawne killing Nora created the alternate reality where S01 took place . So how the fuck thawne knows about Barry being Savitar since that thing takes places after S02 .got my point
@SD yes sorry to spoil but if you try n think once The S01 thawne that got erased from existence due to Eddie shud never know about Savitar being Barry coz those events took place as a result of S02 n s02 is result of S01 which means S01 is the outcome of Nora's death . None of this shit happens in OG timeline coz in that timeline Particle accelerator was started in 2020
Im pretty sure Savitor is the Time remit that HELPED/died for barry when he versed zoom. Sum how later in the future became evil. Only way i can see it
Realistically for a conversation where Barry tells the team who Savitar is, why is everyone scattered in the room. Feels like huddle as one group kind of thing. Barry wasn't even in the room. Did he yell it with his back turned while grabbing an ice pack?
after thinking about savitar it makes sense why he would kill iris because hes a version of barry who nearly died and can't go anywhere. he was meant to die but since he didnt iris couldnt be with HIM because she has a barry and his version of her is dead also if it goes they way he said it "they all shunned me because i wasnt a true hero" than it makes sense why he would just kill them all since its basically a fuck since you aint the real OG so idk take it how you leave it
@@davidjacksonjr.3840 that was a different to time remnant and that was before flashpoint, the remnant i was talking about was when barry was trying to stop savitar and he made remnants to fight him
I mean it makes sense. Let's think iris dies and then that Barry creates the remnants. Remnants who all remember losing iris. But now that remnant lives and isn't allowed to grieve the loss of iris that he remembers with those like Joe and all of them only the real Barry can grieve with them but he rejects them all. So now this remnant is truly alone so he was like fuck this and this is all Barry's fault he brought me into this hell and now
So the origin of Savitar was the TR that Barry created to defeat Zoom. After that, the others Savitars was Barry´s creation to defeat Savitar himself, creating this loop. "So why future Barry didn´t tell about the TR or anything about it?" Idk... But it doesn´t matter! Remember Savitar´s plan B? Even revealing himself, the timeline remain intact bc of it. DAMN time travel is really cool, but confusing 😅
It really isn't, especially because it has nothing to do with the Time Remnant that Flash used to defeat Zoom, that one died. The Time remnant that is Savitar is one that future Barry made in order to fight Savitar, however this one goes mad and later becomes Savitar, going back in time and closing the loop by doing the same thing
Bro can someone please explain this. Like Barry put savatar in the speed force in the future but what did the time remit do before before he became savatar Because I am not sure because he said that you all shunned me including Allen so we’re they
The time remnant of Barry was only created to fight Savitar. After the fight is over, Team Flash rejects, and shuns the time remnant of Barry, like idiots, leading him on to become Savitar.
Time loop. Savitar fights Barry and eventually kills Iris. Barry in his grief creates remanants to stop Savitar. Savitar kills all the remanants except one. That remanant is shunned cuz he wasn't the true Barry Allen. That remanant goes mad and gets the idea to be a god,Savitar. Savitar's existance is a time loop. He is responsible for the time remanant's creation, and the remanant needs to become Savitar for Savitar to exist. That's why he got erased from existance when he killed H.R instead of Iris. If Iris doesn't die, Barry won't create the reamanant hence Savitar doesn't exist. The loop was infinite until that point.
I’m just so confused with the origin of savitar. I know he is a time remanent of Barry Allen . I also know the at Barry Allen creates a time remanent to kill savitar but savitar lets him live to later become savitar but where did the original savitar come from in the first place I don’t get it cause savitar has to have an origin to become what he is in the first place. like was he created cause Barry keeps going back in time a lot? . Like in an original timeline do one of his remenents live from past events where Barry created TR but then did that TR feel shunned etc and become savitar later on and kill iris as revenge and then go back in time and go from there where he lets a TR live to become him to create the loop ?
I just realized this doesn’t make sense at all since that’s means there should always be a Savitar just running around since the loop starts when savitar breaks out of the speed force and then kills iris fights Barry and scars his past self before getting trapped in the speed force only to then break out and kill iris again but then that means that there should still be a past version of savitar running around who never gets put into the speed force which means savitar never breaks our and kills iris meaning he’s never born so then means that past version is the one that fights barry and gets trapped meaning the one who killed iris just kills her and dips see no matter how u look at this there should always be 2 savitars since the one who kills iris has already been trapped this explanation only makes sense if savitar kills iris before ever being trapped but since the one who kills iris was already trapped that means that either the one who kills her just goes off and does something else after killing her or there’s multiple versions of past savitars who are continuously spreading the legend of savitar while the actual savitar is just constantly creating more past versions of himself to spread the legend of savitar and then getting trapped in the speed force over and over again but if that’s the case then whether or not iris dies he still exist because then that means that he doesn’t actually need to keep creating himself so then this whole plot line make no sense
In the future there was a savitar that was roaming free. After killing iris he started roaming in the multiverse. Anything that happens in the future is cause by the 'new' Savitar when they shunnned him. When the time remnant became Savitar in 202x he time travelled to 2020 in the moment when he fight barry and the time remnant thus making the paradox then he got trapped and the remnant continue the loop. And it goes on. Everything is explained in 3x21
I don't get why people are so confused about this? In this particular scene they might have failed to explain what's going on but the explanation is in the entire season itself cause jay Garrick tells Barry that time is not cement every action we take in present and past will affect the future that one scene is enough to explain all this savitar scene so I'll try to explain this situation as brief as possible Every time loop or bootstrap paradox has a beginning and an end somewhere in the timeline so in the original timeline there was a real savitar who was the god of speed when he gets his power because of the philosophers stone and recruits acolytes like alchemy and remaining cult and wages a war with Barry Allen along the line and in doing so kills Iris , seeing iris dead this Barry Allen creates time remnants to defeat savitar but all die and one remnant escapes and in the future of this Barry Allen he traps savitar the real one in speed force and now the remnant Barry Allen is so lonely by being shunned by everyone he loves couldn't bear the pain and gets the idea of becoming a god cause god feels no pain So now time remnant Barry goes back in time finds the origins of savitar and becomes savitar himself using the philosophers stone and acolytes so in this timeline because of these events the real savitar wouldn't exist anymore cause time remnant Barry changed the timeline by becoming savitar so now this savitar(time remnant) also does everything that savitar did and wages war against the present Barry Allen (season 3 Barry) and starts a time loop by killing iris everytime so that he can be created cause if he kills iris Barry will make time remnants to defeat savitar and the last remnant that survives will again go back in time and become savitar so this First time remnant savitar also gets wiped of existence as again the new remnant becomes savitar and that is the beginning of Time remnant savitar time loop or bootstrap paradox The end of this time loop occurs when HR sacrifices himself instead of Iris I know it's a lot to read but I tried my best to keep it brief and simple
Barry said to Iris: "Broken. Part of him is. He said that it was like looking in a mirror and he was right but not just the way he looked. It was his eyes. The pain that was inside them. I've seen that in myself. When I think about how my parents died so violently, sometimes I wanna repay that violence with more violence, I wanna make someone else hurt as much as I do. No, I know, but it's in there, you know? That's in me. That power, that pain. That's where Savitar comes from. From loss. From losing you."
He is supposedly a time remnant from the future that Barry creates to defeat savitar (what i don’t get is how savitar exists if Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet)
Big ass plot hole lol. Savitar wants to kill iris so that barry would use time remnants which would create savitar but savitar also said it wouldn’t matter if barry killed himself.
I’m such an idiot and still don’t understand how Savitar existed ik they explain it here but can someone dumb it down a bit for me 😂 so future Barry creates time remnants to stop savitar but how did that future savitar create the savitar that would go on to become him and also I thought the time remnant that helped stop zoom was savitar because of the burned face
So in the Emo Flash timeline where Iris really died, Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one. They successfully trapped Savitar in the speed force. But then the whole team shunned that remaining time remnant who went back in time to become the god of speed Savitar and the loop happened, but just for once cause we all know how Savitar's whole existence and the emo timeline got erased in the finale. Uhm shot in the back, RIP Savitar.
@@bradnorton5034 “Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one” I get that but how did Savitar (the original Savitar who kills all the time remnants but one)exist if he is a time remnant of Barry which hasn’t been created yet
@@Feitan_619 The time remnant went back in time to become Savitar and stayed in the past for years, killed Iris when time came and then was sent in the speed force for eternity.
@@Feitan_619 Savitar is from the future. He can time travel to any point he wishes. In his timeline, the remnants were born and died by a future version of him, who kept one alive to become him.
70% of fans rooted for savitar to kill iris... because damn she is annoying as hell i couldnt take it anymore after season 5 then i gave it a shot at season 6 but damn that one character can ruin a show... loved flash and the speedster theme like time travel etc even with nerfs so he can fight with oliver etc..
"Why would he wanna kill Iris?"
Barry: *silence*
"Barry is there something you want to tell us?"
HAHAHAHAHAH this actually made me laugh out loud.
I literally thought the same thing as I watched this🤣🤣🤣🤣
The truth is that it's about Survival. Savitar was born from grief and darkness from Iris's death, if Iris doesn't die, then Savitar will never come into existence.
@@tylerwade6539
Which is why I don’t understand why she had to die in that one specific moment. Why couldn’t Savitar try again later before his time ran out😂
@@Homeboy_Brando Because the events have to happen the way he remembered is my best theory.
“Creating the lie he’s the first speedster.”
But he is… BECAUSE BARRY IS THE FIRST SPEEDSTER. This same isolation of separating Barry and Savitar cuz one is a duplicate is what drove the time remnant crazy in the first place.
Technically Jay had his speed longer
@@NicoleCringe not on Earth-1.
@@tideghost Yeah but if you rewatch 3x09, the whole "First ever speedster" part of the myth came from Jay, which kinda hints that Savitar was going around to every Earth he could also spreading the myth. Barry was the first speedster on Earth-1, but Savitar Barry told the lie he was the first speedster ever, in the entire multiverse.
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I thought Hermes was the first speedster, The literal god of speed
"Why'd he wanna kill Iris?"
If you had a hero who could break the fourth wall you'd know.
Savitar was the true hero, trying to save us from Iris.
Should have saved us from Cecile instead..
Why didn't Barry tell them they rejected the time remnant that became Savitar
It's a horrible thing to say.
That's what I want to know
That could've fixed everything
@@thebelen2359 no that will mess up everything
Cause that version of Barry didn't knew that savitar was his time remnant our version of Barry magically figured it out 🤣🤣 they could have done a better job at how Barry would figure out who is savitar but it felt so rushed
0:24 damn barry
Savitar appears in 2017 -> Savitar fights Team Flash and kills Iris -> Barry creates Time Remnants to fight Savitar, he lets all but one live. That one is shunned, and loses his mind. -> Eventually, Team Flash beat Savitar, and imprison him in the Speed Force forever. -> The time remnant that went crazy leaves, and becomes Savitar (acquires suit, followers throughout history, spreads myth) -> Back to point one.
1)“Savitar appears in 2017” but from where
2)”Barry created time remnants to fight savitar, he kills all of the but one” how does he even kill that time remnant if savitar himself is supposed to be Barry’s time remnant
@@Feitan_619 man watch the show they explain it
@@notkoto lil bro I watched the show like 6-7 times they explain it but not to the point that everything makes sense Cisco just says it’s an unending loop
@@Feitan_619 that literally what it mean idiot you aren't paying attention closely instead you talk out of your a$$ even savitar explain it he wanted to create another ssvitsr that would take his place if he lose which he did created a loop lmao
@@Feitan_619nah bro they really don’t understand there needs to be an origin… the paradox makes sense, no one is saying it doesn’t… but there literally needs to be an origin
"Half of one anyway"
Barry just being mean now.
Oh man seeing Keiynan working with the team makes me want to see him again in the final season. Let him be come back for 5 episodes before the finale, maybe congratulating Barry on the new/fixing the speed force and then getting a new suit.
Or throw us a curve and actually set up Keiynan to be Kid Flash (or a new version of Flash) in David Ramsay's Justice U, or even have him get dislocated to S&L Earth.
I've seen a photo of Wally, Barry, Oliver and Dig so Wally will come back, at least for an episode
I really wish the series ended with Wally becoming The Flash and Barry focusing on being a Father with Iris
@@makisbizarreadventure4669 that would be a great way to have a passing of the torch that would also semi follow the comics. It would give a happy ending that Eric Wallace wanted for the show while also being a well written episode instead of having Cecile already be a hero just cause her FUTURE self has a suit and can fly now
@@Eli-as12 right they changed the future 😂 and if Cecile could fly then why would she worry about not visiting Joe? Just FLY!
Damn, I miss Cisco on the show. It was never the same since he left.
Technically, Savitar IS the 1st speedster bcoz Barry
All because thawn...
How??? I m confuse.
@@IShowReserve how are u confused? Barry was the first ever speedster in history of speedsters. And (if u didnt watch the show spoiler alert)
Savitar's real identity is Barry. Yeah, talk abour a plot twist. So Barry and Savitar are basically the same. So that makes Savitar the first speedster. Tho Savitar was created by Barry when Barry created a time remnant, aka A clone. So yeah.
@@IShowReserve do u now get it?
@@stranger342 @Stranger Lol no need to be salty I just ask question also lot people are cobfuse and don't understand the plot about Savitar and also to let you know that I watch the show already from season 1 to 5 I need to watch season 6 whatever please just calm down no be mean........ So you are saying Savitar is the 1st speedster? Ok now listen I have 2 question about it :
1.How did Savitar create Savitar in the 1st place?
2.Savitar was not 1st speedster he just travel back to time(when he was inside the speedforce) to where was still not exist any kind of speedters or metahumans for create some group of believers so that he can get philosher stone anyway how can this consider him as a 1st speedter to the existence?
I like how no one hears wally 😂
Reverse-Flash was right when he said "sometimes I wonder which of us is right"
lol
"half of one anyway"
bars on bars
1:11 That's me to try to understand who's the original Savitar lol.
Yeah honestly I still don't understand who the first Savitar was
But I think the time remnant somehow survived against Zoom and becomes the first Savitar but if that's the case why would he need to go forward in time to fight Barry and recreate a Savitar there when he could just do so with the remnnat from Zoom
@@yikes313 Honestly will make more sense if Savitar was future Barry like in comics(tho I never read that chapter of comics with future Barry) instead of time remant since time remant are basically paradox so are not suppose to exist.
@@yikes313 it's a time loop dude. There is no beginning and no end. Savitar is basically a living paradox. Barry's time remnant was always Savitar. Just like HR said, it's like asking what came first - chiken or the egg.
Look up bootstrap paradox
Funny thing is if Savitar got out of the loop, cuz of the speed force then he wouldn’t even need the loop to live, he’d be like Reverse Flash, a survivor
In the future, Barry says he doesn't know who Savitar is, but present Barry finds out. Didn't that change Savitar's plan to be a GOD?
Naeem Latheef Parappurath well as you seen in this show changing one timeline doesn’t change all...so he still exist in his world but they should be able to change it to cut the loop
@@crashachet Always a true beginning to a time cycle/loop and always a way to end it....we've seen the way this cycle was ended. But I'd like to believe somewhere out there, there was an Original Savitar that was not a Time Remnant of Barry Allen...
@@devinbrown6650 Not necessarily so. There was a movie where a guy gets a necklace from his grandmother as a child. When he gets older, he somehow gets transported to the past, where he meets a young lady who he has sex with, then gives the necklace to that lady before returning to the future. That young lady was his grandmother, which he didn't know. So that leads the question, where did the necklace come from?
@@lilosi445 Every time loop has a beginning and an end somewhere and answering your question time is not cement like there is many possibilities thay could change the future so somewhere before all this started either your grandmother got that necklace from somewhere or you have got the necklace from somewhere and sent it to your grandmother so at some point of time the origins of that necklace exists somewhere else before you or your grandmother could possess it and it's the same thing with savitar cause somewhere along the line there was a real savitar like how earth 3 flash says he's a myth and show kind of his body from behind and that's definitely not Barry Allen cause the origins of savitar could be that the real savitar was facing Barry and killed iris for which Barry creates time remnants to destroy him and he kills all but one escapes and now the one remnant is so lonely that now he knows the original savitar is in speed force travel backs in time and finds how savitar got his power with the stone and takes it for himself and becomes savitar and in that timeline the original savitar won't exist cause Barry already has taken his place so all he had to do was kill iris again and again so that Barry will keep creating time remnants and the time loop or the bootstrap paradox remains intact this is the best possibility and the most believable one in my opinion cause to start a time loop you need to have origins at sometime or somewhere
@@Rohit-ei5mr Not necessarily. That example i showed was an actual movie with the bootstrap paradox. It was literally explaining the main character was his own grandfather.
With your explanation, there should be 2 Savitars. The one that already killed Iris and the one that just got out of the speed force.
So basically Savitar is what is referred to as a bootstrap paradox
Liar Barry never told them that he and the rest of Team Flash shun time remenant Barry bc he wasn't a true Flash
I'm not sure about this theory but what if "Savitar" Barry Allen was the one from Flashpoint? It's been a long time since I've seen the show but I remember that Barry asks Eobard to kill his mother to reset the timeline and the Barry that saved his mother was erased from existence.
That’s what I keep thinking…
Yea.. that’s… that’s exactly what is was.
Savitar explained that Barry made a time remnant to stop Zoom. The TR died, and it would have stayed that way if Barry didn’t go back in time and save his mom. Because he did, that TR was shot out of the Speed Force, and became Flashpoint Savitar.
Then when Barry fixed the timeline, that Savitar became the Savitar that was in the closed loop(the one the team fights this season). This Savitar held the memories of the FP Savitar.
Your “theory”, is exactly how is was in the show.
@@brandenmarcum430 wow I always was confused and lost. I bet if Joe was there he’d ask the right questions so that we’d all understand
@@brandenmarcum430
That’s not how it happened at all. The time remnant that you’re talking about that helped fight Zoom is dead. The reason why Savitar’s memories change as Barry’s memories change is because Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet. Years after Savitar kills Iris, Barry creates multiple time remnants to stop Savitar, and Savitar kills every single one of them except the one that would later become him. Because now there was a duplicate of Barry, Team Flash then rejected that Time Remnant and it drove him mad, which he then later became Savitar because of it.
@@Homeboy_Brando I know that time travel is a popular but confusing topic but that isn’t how it goes. Think about it for a sec. When Barry created the time remnant to stop Zoom, originally it did die. But after the TR’s death, Flash created flashpoint and as we flash fans all know, whenever flashpoint is created but then reset, it changes small bits in reality that didn’t used to be there (for example, Caitlin having powers and Cisco’s brother being dead). One of the things that is now in Barry’s reality that wasn’t once there is the TR surviving as it was saving the multiverse. The TR that was originally used to stop Zoom barely survived which might explain why Savitar has that scar. But when the TR survived, there were then two Barry Allens. However, Barry’s friend kept choosing to be with the original Barry instead of the TR. This causes the TR to become jealous and angry that it was constantly shunned and abandoned by the people he trusted and loved the most. To make that pain go away, the TR tried to become a god, aka Savitar, since god feel no pain. The TR then becomes a psychopath wanting to hurt its original by killing Iris. After Savitar kills Iris, Team Flash spends 4 years trying to stop Savitar and during that time, Barry made more TRs to try and stop Savitar. But to make sure Savitar still stays present, he takes advantage of Barry creating TRs and made sure to leave one TR so that it can experience all the things that Savitar experienced, leading the TR to eventually become Savitar. From when the TR survived and was shunned by his most loved ones, the entire cycle repeats itself. (Sorry if this explanation didn’t help. I just wanted to try and help you understand what Brenden Marcum was trying to say).
Why did Barry ignore that question at 1:25 about iris....ion like that and then the way she looked afterwards. I feel he's hiding something about salvitar (him) wanting to hurt her
They also forgot to mention Savitar gave the access codes to STAR labs to Adrian Chase. Which is possible because I believed that Savitar approached Prometheus because Of common foes and offered Chase to even the odds with his vendetta against the Green Arrow.
This was mentioned in any of the shows?
When did this happen?🤨
That never happened, but it could have
They didn't "forget" to mention it. That simply did not happen and is just a fan theory.
Well Prometheus suddenly showed up in the pipeline outside of Siren's cell. Savitar could HAVE been the one who let Adrian in. As Longshot it is, it IS plausible. Would have been cool to see Barry confront Adrian about helping Savitar (maybe Savitar provided Adrian a way for him to sneak into the Arrow cave? Barry was already helping Arrow from time to time, Savie could just search his brain for the codes)
Soooo, how does savitar become savitar in the first place??
Because Savitar killed both the love of his life and since he was a time remnant who lived everyone shunned him. He was broken. Then realized god feels no pain and decided to become one...No with this "time loop" scenario. Has to have a beginning. A real Savitar that isnt Barry & like all time loops. There's always a point where the loop breaks & ends. We saw the loop end. I feel like we will eventually see a beginning.
Causal loop bootstrap paradox
@@devintariel3769 well there are 2 of them there. It's so conplicated. Savitar mentioned when Barry created time remnant to fight Zoom, and that time remnant died. But that time remnant goes to speed force i guess and he is the one who fights a lot of time remnants and kills them all except for one, that later gets shunned and goes back in time. So fucked up, they never explained it properly...
@@anesahmatovic5985 you have it all wrong bud
@@anesahmatovic5985 That Time Remnamt didn't go to the Speed Force. Watch the series again, he died!
Wally should be more on The Flash
Barry as Savitar: Nora and Bart, I am your father.
Bart: you are not pops.
Nora: ok that’s oversimplifying.
The coolest port
She has a face she can trust , half of one anyway😂😂😂
This means that there is a savitar not Barry but an actual savitar somewhere in the speedforce
ya we never got to see who the real savitar is i hope we get him as a main villain at some point
@@JashXD no it's always been Barry Allen Savitar. There isn't an "Original' Savitar.
@@taurusking_1997 That doesn't make sense , Barry created the time remnant to beat a " Savitar " and that time remnant later on becomes another Savitar. How can the Remnant be that Savitar when he wasn't even created yet.
@@mrHunleashesHELL well thats how the 'closed time loop' works is just is or i guess bad writing
@@mrHunleashesHELLis it possible that Zoom is the unofficial original Savitar because without Zoom, Barry wouldn’t have needed to call on the time remnant from the future? If Zoom never did what he was going to do in his finale prior to Zoom’s transformation into Black Flash, Savitar as a concept would never have been even considered.
Can someone clear up an issue I’ve had with this explanation for years? In the version of the time loop the explain, savitar attacks, barry traps him with a time remnant, time remnant becomes savitar.
So, logically shouldn’t savitar be the free version of a time remnant who isn’t trapped yet? The way this season was done makes it seem like this time remnant is fulfilling the savitar role twice
It seems like it's been a continual cycle of Savitar fighting against team flash ending with Iris's death. Then the Time remnant becomes Savitar, starting the cycle again.
If that's the case, there should be multiple Savitars trapped in the Speed Force, depending on the number of iterations.
It almost reminds me of the John Conor/Kyle Reese element of The Terminator.
It's actually very simple they failed to explain it in the revealing episode properly but they left us many clues in season 3 to figure it out
Firstly jay Garrick tells Barry that Savitar is a myth and they show him from behind that is the original savitar
Secondly jay Garrick also tells that time Is not cement every action you do in present determines the future like it is not necessary that the future you saw will become your actual future cause you can change it by changing your actions
Thirdly it's a bootstrap paradox like a time loop but every time loop but every time loop even though is an infinite circle should have a beginning and an end
So now read this points carefully and understand my next comment
Now the explanation
There is an original savitar like a speedster or human who becomes savitar by using the philosophers stone and recruiting acolytes like alchemy goes after Barry Allen in the original timeline and kills iris in the process. So Barry creates time remnants to trap savitar but they all fail and one time remnant escapes and he is shunned by everyone. The original savitar is later trapped by Barry Allen in speed force and that is the end of this origial savitars story ...
Now the TR(time remnant Barry) becomes so alone and in so much pain wanted to do anything so that his pain would die and then he remembers about savitar and realised that good feels no pain and then comes up with his master minded plan
TR Barry travels way back in time where the original savitar didn't become savitar yet so TR Barry uses the philosophers stone and becomes savitar himself and does everything the original savitar did by recruiting alchemy etc and becomes the god of speed but then he realises that if savitar dosent kill iris Barry would not make time remnants so this is where THE TIME LOOP BEGINS
TRS(Time remnant savitar) in order to stay alive kills iris everytime so that Barry will create time remnant and then he spares one time remnant who will later become TRS so he is basically making sure he stays alive hence the time loop or bootstrap paradox begins
This cycle ends when HR wells sacrificed himself instead of iris so TRS will not be in existence .THIS IS THE STORY OF TIME REMNANT SAVITAR
I Know after reading my explanation (your patience level is great) you might have some questions like what happened to original savitar?? If it's an infinite loop how did Barry defeat savitar?? Etc etc I'll try to answer these questions first if you have anything else feel free to ask me
So about the original savitar ..... He simply is erased from existence because time remnant Barry travelled back in time and becomes savitar so the original person who would become savitar cannot become savitar anymore since there is already a savitar (time remnant)
He would have a while different journey in this new timeline that Barry Allen created by travelling back in time like basically he created a flashpoint by becoming savitar
For example if thawne or zoom travel back in time on the day when Barry Allen gets hit by lightning and the dark matter from particle accelerator and save him from getting struck by lightning ,, Barry Allen would not be the flash in this new timeline now he will just be a regular CSI so the Barry Allen who becomes flash and his timeline is simply erased from existence now someone else would become flash by the dark matter instead of Barry Allen
So similarly the original savitar dosent exist anymore cause time remnant Barry becomes savitar
And then time remnant savitar starts the loop by killing iris everytime
Now to the second point.... How did team flash defeat savitar when Barry Allen's savitar already knows what happen????
It's simple when Barry throws the philosophers stone into the speed force he accidentally travels to future and sees iris getting killed.... In this time loop Barry could have gone to anyplace lime the past or even the future way ahead but in this particular season 3 time loop he luckily travels to the exact moment iris is killed so he knows what exactly happened and tries to do things differently hence HR wells was able to swap himself from iris like if team flash didn't even know whats savitars motive (to kill iris) they would have done things differently and iris would end up dead so this way team flash defeated savitar 😀😀😀
If you have anymore doubts ask me
the savitar that was trapped was the remenant
when future barry made the time remnant to kill savitar, the time remnant lived which means the savitar barry try to kill originally, died. so that remnant went back in time and became savitar. it was a constant loop from the on
0:34 - 0:37 God I love Cisco!
It basically a bootstrap paradox look it up🙂
I believe he dose in a later scean or episode and Iris comes with the idea to try to change him by accepting him but it dosent work if i remember correctly
With desperation comes creation
If Savitar is Barry then he would of known about the Speed force trap so surely they should have tried to come up with a backup
It’s funny that Cisco says ‘I hate spin-offs’ considering The Flash is literally one as it was spun off from Barry’s cameos in Arrow
good to know is not my wifi the problem
0:40 peep this ... Sisco was so cool without the powers and bs
He has a face she trusts.... The set up
Half of one anyway.... The finisher haha lmfao
I miss jo being more hands on in the villains
Still find it stupid that Cisco's solution was to try and stop Barry from making memories. I mean...why not just lock him in the pipeline until the date? Why did no one think of that? Or hell just have Barry chill in Oliver's prison in Lian Yu.
Especially since they have a speedster that could save the city.
If Barry fights savitar and creates a time remnant then who was savitar before the time remnant became savitar? Was it still Barry or nobody?
Technically the way it was represented looked n sounded cool but if you dig down deep it makes no sense . The loop of time remnant came first or savitar is the most confusing shit they showed ..
@SD I appreciate your effort to start this topic but I've wrapped up frm this . The S05E08 episode where thawne tells Nora about Barry being Savitar just makes 0 sense and I'll tell you why . The timeline that thawne was frm. Is the original timeline Since it was s01 episode the day Harthley was caught etc . That thawne was frm OG timeline where there was actually no Savitar . Thawne killing Nora created the alternate reality where S01 took place . So how the fuck thawne knows about Barry being Savitar since that thing takes places after S02 .got my point
@SD yes sorry to spoil but if you try n think once The S01 thawne that got erased from existence due to Eddie shud never know about Savitar being Barry coz those events took place as a result of S02 n s02 is result of S01 which means S01 is the outcome of Nora's death . None of this shit happens in OG timeline coz in that timeline Particle accelerator was started in 2020
@@lukecullins9934 well technically Thawne is from the future so that's probably how we knows Barry (Time Remnant) is Savitar in the future
Barry
Im pretty sure Savitor is the Time remit that HELPED/died for barry when he versed zoom. Sum how later in the future became evil. Only way i can see it
Yes cool EXCEPT...that time remnant died
BRUH HE COMPLETELY DODGED THAT QUESTION
Yeah, because Team Flash is the reason why Savitar exists. They rejected, and shunned him, like absolute idiots.
@@primalvelocity3811 Exactly Ik that
1:30 because that’s how he is born. 🤦♂️ By driving Barry into darkness.
Realistically for a conversation where Barry tells the team who Savitar is, why is everyone scattered in the room. Feels like huddle as one group kind of thing. Barry wasn't even in the room. Did he yell it with his back turned while grabbing an ice pack?
after thinking about savitar it makes sense why he would kill iris because hes a version of barry who nearly died and can't go anywhere. he was meant to die but since he didnt iris couldnt be with HIM because she has a barry and his version of her is dead also if it goes they way he said it "they all shunned me because i wasnt a true hero" than it makes sense why he would just kill them all since its basically a fuck since you aint the real OG so idk take it how you leave it
I feel like future Barry knew who Savitar was but just didn't say anything for some reason
I'm Still Confused How Did Berry Become Savitar I'm Still Lost I've Been Lost Since This Episode Was On T.V
time remnant became savitar because future barry abandoned him and the remnant had a mental breakdown so he killed iris
@@JashXD But The Time Remnant Die By Stopping Zoom's Plan
@@davidjacksonjr.3840 that was a different to time remnant and that was before flashpoint, the remnant i was talking about was when barry was trying to stop savitar and he made remnants to fight him
@@JashXD Yeah Still Lost
@@davidjacksonjr.3840 czcams.com/video/DzwZW5c1eEY/video.html&ab_channel=Pagey
I hate spin-offs while his show is a spin off😭😭
I mean it makes sense. Let's think iris dies and then that Barry creates the remnants. Remnants who all remember losing iris. But now that remnant lives and isn't allowed to grieve the loss of iris that he remembers with those like Joe and all of them only the real Barry can grieve with them but he rejects them all. So now this remnant is truly alone so he was like fuck this and this is all Barry's fault he brought me into this hell and now
So the origin of Savitar was the TR that Barry created to defeat Zoom.
After that, the others Savitars was Barry´s creation to defeat Savitar himself, creating this loop.
"So why future Barry didn´t tell about the TR or anything about it?"
Idk... But it doesn´t matter! Remember Savitar´s plan B? Even revealing himself, the timeline remain intact bc of it.
DAMN time travel is really cool, but confusing 😅
It really isn't, especially because it has nothing to do with the Time Remnant that Flash used to defeat Zoom, that one died. The Time remnant that is Savitar is one that future Barry made in order to fight Savitar, however this one goes mad and later becomes Savitar, going back in time and closing the loop by doing the same thing
There was no flashback of savitars origin
Is that the same as when thawne kills barrys mom so he dont become the flash, and then thawne dont become the reverse like a loop?
I doubt future Barry meant Savitar Barry cuz he didn't learn who Savitar was
theres a huge plot hole that doesn't really get addressed sadly but the season wasn't bad
How do you have Voyager but n-whatever
Savitar saga was based on The future trunks ark from db super
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I hate spin-offs lol I got that joke
Bro can someone please explain this. Like Barry put savatar in the speed force in the future but what did the time remit do before before he became savatar
Because I am not sure because he said that you all shunned me including Allen so we’re they
The time remnant of Barry was only created to fight Savitar. After the fight is over, Team Flash rejects, and shuns the time remnant of Barry, like idiots, leading him on to become Savitar.
Can we all agree that savitar is season 2 flash who sacrificed himself
No
no
it's been years and i still don't understand savitar creation
Time loop. Savitar fights Barry and eventually kills Iris. Barry in his grief creates remanants to stop Savitar. Savitar kills all the remanants except one. That remanant is shunned cuz he wasn't the true Barry Allen. That remanant goes mad and gets the idea to be a god,Savitar. Savitar's existance is a time loop. He is responsible for the time remanant's creation, and the remanant needs to become Savitar for Savitar to exist. That's why he got erased from existance when he killed H.R instead of Iris. If Iris doesn't die, Barry won't create the reamanant hence Savitar doesn't exist. The loop was infinite until that point.
I’m just so confused with the origin of savitar. I know he is a time remanent of Barry Allen . I also know the at Barry Allen creates a time remanent to kill savitar but savitar lets him live to later become savitar but where did the original savitar come from in the first place I don’t get it cause savitar has to have an origin to become what he is in the first place. like was he created cause Barry keeps going back in time a lot? . Like in an original timeline do one of his remenents live from past events where Barry created TR but then did that TR feel shunned etc and become savitar later on and kill iris as revenge and then go back in time and go from there where he lets a TR live to become him to create the loop ?
Ikr
I just realized this doesn’t make sense at all since that’s means there should always be a Savitar just running around since the loop starts when savitar breaks out of the speed force and then kills iris fights Barry and scars his past self before getting trapped in the speed force only to then break out and kill iris again but then that means that there should still be a past version of savitar running around who never gets put into the speed force which means savitar never breaks our and kills iris meaning he’s never born so then means that past version is the one that fights barry and gets trapped meaning the one who killed iris just kills her and dips see no matter how u look at this there should always be 2 savitars since the one who kills iris has already been trapped this explanation only makes sense if savitar kills iris before ever being trapped but since the one who kills iris was already trapped that means that either the one who kills her just goes off and does something else after killing her or there’s multiple versions of past savitars who are continuously spreading the legend of savitar while the actual savitar is just constantly creating more past versions of himself to spread the legend of savitar and then getting trapped in the speed force over and over again but if that’s the case then whether or not iris dies he still exist because then that means that he doesn’t actually need to keep creating himself so then this whole plot line make no sense
In the future there was a savitar that was roaming free. After killing iris he started roaming in the multiverse. Anything that happens in the future is cause by the 'new' Savitar when they shunnned him. When the time remnant became Savitar in 202x he time travelled to 2020 in the moment when he fight barry and the time remnant thus making the paradox then he got trapped and the remnant continue the loop. And it goes on. Everything is explained in 3x21
@@_utopia__was there a savitar before Barry created flashpoint
I don't get why people are so confused about this? In this particular scene they might have failed to explain what's going on but the explanation is in the entire season itself cause jay Garrick tells Barry that time is not cement every action we take in present and past will affect the future that one scene is enough to explain all this savitar scene so I'll try to explain this situation as brief as possible
Every time loop or bootstrap paradox has a beginning and an end somewhere in the timeline so in the original timeline there was a real savitar who was the god of speed when he gets his power because of the philosophers stone and recruits acolytes like alchemy and remaining cult and wages a war with Barry Allen along the line and in doing so kills Iris , seeing iris dead this Barry Allen creates time remnants to defeat savitar but all die and one remnant escapes and in the future of this Barry Allen he traps savitar the real one in speed force and now the remnant Barry Allen is so lonely by being shunned by everyone he loves couldn't bear the pain and gets the idea of becoming a god cause god feels no pain
So now time remnant Barry goes back in time finds the origins of savitar and becomes savitar himself using the philosophers stone and acolytes so in this timeline because of these events the real savitar wouldn't exist anymore cause time remnant Barry changed the timeline by becoming savitar so now this savitar(time remnant) also does everything that savitar did and wages war against the present Barry Allen (season 3 Barry) and starts a time loop by killing iris everytime so that he can be created cause if he kills iris Barry will make time remnants to defeat savitar and the last remnant that survives will again go back in time and become savitar so this First time remnant savitar also gets wiped of existence as again the new remnant becomes savitar and that is the beginning of Time remnant savitar time loop or bootstrap paradox
The end of this time loop occurs when HR sacrifices himself instead of Iris
I know it's a lot to read but I tried my best to keep it brief and simple
And jay Garrick also mentioned the origins of savitar when he tells he's a myth and they show his body from behind that is the original savitar
Exactly
So is that why black flash was after the time remnant as he changed the past and became savitar
@@liamhouston6944 yaa
Barry said to Iris: "Broken. Part of him is. He said that it was like looking in a mirror and he was right but not just the way he looked. It was his eyes. The pain that was inside them. I've seen that in myself. When I think about how my parents died so violently, sometimes I wanna repay that violence with more violence, I wanna make someone else hurt as much as I do. No, I know, but it's in there, you know? That's in me. That power, that pain. That's where Savitar comes from. From loss. From losing you."
I don’t understand Savitar was he the time remnant created when Barry raced zoom or is he another time remnant ?
He is supposedly a time remnant from the future that Barry creates to defeat savitar (what i don’t get is how savitar exists if Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet)
@@Feitan_619 Because he did in the future, and then Savitar went back in time, therefore, he exists
He a time paradox.
Big ass plot hole lol. Savitar wants to kill iris so that barry would use time remnants which would create savitar but savitar also said it wouldn’t matter if barry killed himself.
So who’s really Savitar? Barry created a TR to fight Savitar and the TR became Savitar? And it keeps going?
Yeah, just like HR said Chicken Egg scenario, nobody know who come first
Barry said to Iris that he hid his Savitar personality deep inside
I still don’t understand how Savitar exists and why he blames Team Flash for “taking everything” from Savitar. So confusing to me
It’s a paradox like how reverse flash never truly dies
@@bangalybashir94wish they explained more of his story
What happened to the savitar that let the time remnant live
Speedforce
I’m such an idiot and still don’t understand how Savitar existed ik they explain it here but can someone dumb it down a bit for me 😂 so future Barry creates time remnants to stop savitar but how did that future savitar create the savitar that would go on to become him and also I thought the time remnant that helped stop zoom was savitar because of the burned face
So in the Emo Flash timeline where Iris really died, Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one. They successfully trapped Savitar in the speed force. But then the whole team shunned that remaining time remnant who went back in time to become the god of speed Savitar and the loop happened, but just for once cause we all know how Savitar's whole existence and the emo timeline got erased in the finale.
Uhm shot in the back, RIP Savitar.
The Barry that helped fight Zoom was disintegrated, slight after-effect of neutralising a weapon capable of destroying the multiverse
@@bradnorton5034 “Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one” I get that but how did Savitar (the original Savitar who kills all the time remnants but one)exist if he is a time remnant of Barry which hasn’t been created yet
@@Feitan_619 The time remnant went back in time to become Savitar and stayed in the past for years, killed Iris when time came and then was sent in the speed force for eternity.
@@Feitan_619 Savitar is from the future. He can time travel to any point he wishes. In his timeline, the remnants were born and died by a future version of him, who kept one alive to become him.
MALFOY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE WITH SOME MUGGLES [ WIZARDLESS NORMAL HUMANS HARRY POTTER REFERENCE ]
I think the original savitar wasnt barry . But knew he could make that reminat of barry one
70% of fans rooted for savitar to kill iris... because damn she is annoying as hell i couldnt take it anymore after season 5 then i gave it a shot at season 6 but damn that one character can ruin a show... loved flash and the speedster theme like time travel etc even with nerfs so he can fight with oliver etc..
Barry stop sanitary from killing iris ya,Llc are cute together I don’t want to see you sad anymore I love both of ya,ll
???????????
Sanitary? Wtf are you on.
I had a stroke form reading this comment
Sanitary: THE GOD OF CLEAN
The future Flush.
@@Scend 😂