The Flash 3x21 Barry Tells Team Flash Savitar is future Barry Allen

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  • @tetsukara
    @tetsukara Před rokem +1270

    "Why would he wanna kill Iris?"
    Barry: *silence*
    "Barry is there something you want to tell us?"

    • @thezhtube5895
      @thezhtube5895 Před rokem +88

      HAHAHAHAHAH this actually made me laugh out loud.

    • @Homeboy_Brando
      @Homeboy_Brando Před rokem +61

      I literally thought the same thing as I watched this🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @tylerwade6539
      @tylerwade6539 Před rokem +72

      The truth is that it's about Survival. Savitar was born from grief and darkness from Iris's death, if Iris doesn't die, then Savitar will never come into existence.

    • @Homeboy_Brando
      @Homeboy_Brando Před rokem +22

      @@tylerwade6539
      Which is why I don’t understand why she had to die in that one specific moment. Why couldn’t Savitar try again later before his time ran out😂

    • @tylerwade6539
      @tylerwade6539 Před rokem +29

      @@Homeboy_Brando Because the events have to happen the way he remembered is my best theory.

  • @tideghost
    @tideghost Před rokem +381

    “Creating the lie he’s the first speedster.”
    But he is… BECAUSE BARRY IS THE FIRST SPEEDSTER. This same isolation of separating Barry and Savitar cuz one is a duplicate is what drove the time remnant crazy in the first place.

    • @NicoleCringe
      @NicoleCringe Před rokem +16

      Technically Jay had his speed longer

    • @tideghost
      @tideghost Před rokem +8

      @@NicoleCringe not on Earth-1.

    • @NicoleCringe
      @NicoleCringe Před rokem +48

      @@tideghost Yeah but if you rewatch 3x09, the whole "First ever speedster" part of the myth came from Jay, which kinda hints that Savitar was going around to every Earth he could also spreading the myth. Barry was the first speedster on Earth-1, but Savitar Barry told the lie he was the first speedster ever, in the entire multiverse.

    • @sahatispro1
      @sahatispro1 Před rokem

      rf:

    • @jareththegoblinking3191
      @jareththegoblinking3191 Před rokem +6

      I thought Hermes was the first speedster, The literal god of speed

  • @moonknight648
    @moonknight648 Před rokem +89

    "Why'd he wanna kill Iris?"
    If you had a hero who could break the fourth wall you'd know.

  • @artnation1235
    @artnation1235 Před rokem +64

    Savitar was the true hero, trying to save us from Iris.

  • @tmfastline
    @tmfastline Před 5 lety +1496

    Why didn't Barry tell them they rejected the time remnant that became Savitar

    • @Juan-zl3fy
      @Juan-zl3fy Před 4 lety +197

      It's a horrible thing to say.

    • @AnimeFreak10000
      @AnimeFreak10000 Před 4 lety +72

      That's what I want to know

    • @thebelen2359
      @thebelen2359 Před 3 lety +137

      That could've fixed everything

    • @HH-jj8hf
      @HH-jj8hf Před 3 lety +36

      @@thebelen2359 no that will mess up everything

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +66

      Cause that version of Barry didn't knew that savitar was his time remnant our version of Barry magically figured it out 🤣🤣 they could have done a better job at how Barry would figure out who is savitar but it felt so rushed

  • @janihhhh
    @janihhhh Před 2 lety +32

    0:24 damn barry

  • @mxlevolent
    @mxlevolent Před rokem +81

    Savitar appears in 2017 -> Savitar fights Team Flash and kills Iris -> Barry creates Time Remnants to fight Savitar, he lets all but one live. That one is shunned, and loses his mind. -> Eventually, Team Flash beat Savitar, and imprison him in the Speed Force forever. -> The time remnant that went crazy leaves, and becomes Savitar (acquires suit, followers throughout history, spreads myth) -> Back to point one.

    • @Feitan_619
      @Feitan_619 Před rokem +3

      1)“Savitar appears in 2017” but from where
      2)”Barry created time remnants to fight savitar, he kills all of the but one” how does he even kill that time remnant if savitar himself is supposed to be Barry’s time remnant

    • @notkoto
      @notkoto Před rokem +2

      @@Feitan_619 man watch the show they explain it

    • @Feitan_619
      @Feitan_619 Před rokem

      @@notkoto lil bro I watched the show like 6-7 times they explain it but not to the point that everything makes sense Cisco just says it’s an unending loop

    • @xiongbreeze
      @xiongbreeze Před rokem

      ​​​@@Feitan_619 that literally what it mean idiot you aren't paying attention closely instead you talk out of your a$$ even savitar explain it he wanted to create another ssvitsr that would take his place if he lose which he did created a loop lmao

    • @yodeoni1234
      @yodeoni1234 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Feitan_619nah bro they really don’t understand there needs to be an origin… the paradox makes sense, no one is saying it doesn’t… but there literally needs to be an origin

  • @joeymonocrow4334344
    @joeymonocrow4334344 Před rokem +23

    "Half of one anyway"
    Barry just being mean now.

  • @Eli-as12
    @Eli-as12 Před rokem +236

    Oh man seeing Keiynan working with the team makes me want to see him again in the final season. Let him be come back for 5 episodes before the finale, maybe congratulating Barry on the new/fixing the speed force and then getting a new suit.

    • @crazyman7671
      @crazyman7671 Před rokem +4

      Or throw us a curve and actually set up Keiynan to be Kid Flash (or a new version of Flash) in David Ramsay's Justice U, or even have him get dislocated to S&L Earth.

    • @icaryu4058
      @icaryu4058 Před rokem +2

      I've seen a photo of Wally, Barry, Oliver and Dig so Wally will come back, at least for an episode

    • @makisbizarreadventure4669
      @makisbizarreadventure4669 Před rokem +2

      I really wish the series ended with Wally becoming The Flash and Barry focusing on being a Father with Iris

    • @Eli-as12
      @Eli-as12 Před rokem +1

      @@makisbizarreadventure4669 that would be a great way to have a passing of the torch that would also semi follow the comics. It would give a happy ending that Eric Wallace wanted for the show while also being a well written episode instead of having Cecile already be a hero just cause her FUTURE self has a suit and can fly now

    • @NeonWafflez707
      @NeonWafflez707 Před rokem +2

      @@Eli-as12 right they changed the future 😂 and if Cecile could fly then why would she worry about not visiting Joe? Just FLY!

  • @NeonKue
    @NeonKue Před rokem +31

    Damn, I miss Cisco on the show. It was never the same since he left.

  • @joos4076
    @joos4076 Před 5 lety +250

    Technically, Savitar IS the 1st speedster bcoz Barry

    • @stranger342
      @stranger342 Před 3 lety +1

      All because thawn...

    • @IShowReserve
      @IShowReserve Před 3 lety +1

      How??? I m confuse.

    • @stranger342
      @stranger342 Před 3 lety +30

      @@IShowReserve how are u confused? Barry was the first ever speedster in history of speedsters. And (if u didnt watch the show spoiler alert)
      Savitar's real identity is Barry. Yeah, talk abour a plot twist. So Barry and Savitar are basically the same. So that makes Savitar the first speedster. Tho Savitar was created by Barry when Barry created a time remnant, aka A clone. So yeah.

    • @stranger342
      @stranger342 Před 3 lety

      @@IShowReserve do u now get it?

    • @IShowReserve
      @IShowReserve Před 3 lety

      @@stranger342 @Stranger Lol no need to be salty I just ask question also lot people are cobfuse and don't understand the plot about Savitar and also to let you know that I watch the show already from season 1 to 5 I need to watch season 6 whatever please just calm down no be mean........ So you are saying Savitar is the 1st speedster? Ok now listen I have 2 question about it :
      1.How did Savitar create Savitar in the 1st place?
      2.Savitar was not 1st speedster he just travel back to time(when he was inside the speedforce) to where was still not exist any kind of speedters or metahumans for create some group of believers so that he can get philosher stone anyway how can this consider him as a 1st speedter to the existence?

  • @thatcookjay
    @thatcookjay Před 2 lety +37

    I like how no one hears wally 😂

  • @vinceunknown1935
    @vinceunknown1935 Před 2 lety +110

    Reverse-Flash was right when he said "sometimes I wonder which of us is right"

  • @stefjsd
    @stefjsd Před rokem +7

    "half of one anyway"
    bars on bars

  • @IShowReserve
    @IShowReserve Před 3 lety +118

    1:11 That's me to try to understand who's the original Savitar lol.

    • @yikes313
      @yikes313 Před rokem +4

      Yeah honestly I still don't understand who the first Savitar was
      But I think the time remnant somehow survived against Zoom and becomes the first Savitar but if that's the case why would he need to go forward in time to fight Barry and recreate a Savitar there when he could just do so with the remnnat from Zoom

    • @IShowReserve
      @IShowReserve Před rokem +3

      @@yikes313 Honestly will make more sense if Savitar was future Barry like in comics(tho I never read that chapter of comics with future Barry) instead of time remant since time remant are basically paradox so are not suppose to exist.

    • @OfficerDoofyInTown
      @OfficerDoofyInTown Před rokem +7

      @@yikes313 it's a time loop dude. There is no beginning and no end. Savitar is basically a living paradox. Barry's time remnant was always Savitar. Just like HR said, it's like asking what came first - chiken or the egg.

    • @ravenhart4387
      @ravenhart4387 Před rokem

      Look up bootstrap paradox

    • @jareththegoblinking3191
      @jareththegoblinking3191 Před 2 měsíci

      Funny thing is if Savitar got out of the loop, cuz of the speed force then he wouldn’t even need the loop to live, he’d be like Reverse Flash, a survivor

  • @naeemlatheefparappurath319
    @naeemlatheefparappurath319 Před 5 lety +319

    In the future, Barry says he doesn't know who Savitar is, but present Barry finds out. Didn't that change Savitar's plan to be a GOD?

    • @crashachet
      @crashachet Před 5 lety +29

      Naeem Latheef Parappurath well as you seen in this show changing one timeline doesn’t change all...so he still exist in his world but they should be able to change it to cut the loop

    • @devinbrown6650
      @devinbrown6650 Před 4 lety +16

      @@crashachet Always a true beginning to a time cycle/loop and always a way to end it....we've seen the way this cycle was ended. But I'd like to believe somewhere out there, there was an Original Savitar that was not a Time Remnant of Barry Allen...

    • @lilosi445
      @lilosi445 Před 3 lety +22

      @@devinbrown6650 Not necessarily so. There was a movie where a guy gets a necklace from his grandmother as a child. When he gets older, he somehow gets transported to the past, where he meets a young lady who he has sex with, then gives the necklace to that lady before returning to the future. That young lady was his grandmother, which he didn't know. So that leads the question, where did the necklace come from?

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +10

      @@lilosi445 Every time loop has a beginning and an end somewhere and answering your question time is not cement like there is many possibilities thay could change the future so somewhere before all this started either your grandmother got that necklace from somewhere or you have got the necklace from somewhere and sent it to your grandmother so at some point of time the origins of that necklace exists somewhere else before you or your grandmother could possess it and it's the same thing with savitar cause somewhere along the line there was a real savitar like how earth 3 flash says he's a myth and show kind of his body from behind and that's definitely not Barry Allen cause the origins of savitar could be that the real savitar was facing Barry and killed iris for which Barry creates time remnants to destroy him and he kills all but one escapes and now the one remnant is so lonely that now he knows the original savitar is in speed force travel backs in time and finds how savitar got his power with the stone and takes it for himself and becomes savitar and in that timeline the original savitar won't exist cause Barry already has taken his place so all he had to do was kill iris again and again so that Barry will keep creating time remnants and the time loop or the bootstrap paradox remains intact this is the best possibility and the most believable one in my opinion cause to start a time loop you need to have origins at sometime or somewhere

    • @lilosi445
      @lilosi445 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Rohit-ei5mr Not necessarily. That example i showed was an actual movie with the bootstrap paradox. It was literally explaining the main character was his own grandfather.
      With your explanation, there should be 2 Savitars. The one that already killed Iris and the one that just got out of the speed force.

  • @burgessgamers298
    @burgessgamers298 Před rokem +30

    So basically Savitar is what is referred to as a bootstrap paradox

  • @UltraPhantom
    @UltraPhantom Před 5 lety +84

    Liar Barry never told them that he and the rest of Team Flash shun time remenant Barry bc he wasn't a true Flash

  • @faros6090
    @faros6090 Před 2 lety +229

    I'm not sure about this theory but what if "Savitar" Barry Allen was the one from Flashpoint? It's been a long time since I've seen the show but I remember that Barry asks Eobard to kill his mother to reset the timeline and the Barry that saved his mother was erased from existence.

    • @kalvin187douglas
      @kalvin187douglas Před rokem +13

      That’s what I keep thinking…

    • @brandenmarcum430
      @brandenmarcum430 Před rokem +56

      Yea.. that’s… that’s exactly what is was.
      Savitar explained that Barry made a time remnant to stop Zoom. The TR died, and it would have stayed that way if Barry didn’t go back in time and save his mom. Because he did, that TR was shot out of the Speed Force, and became Flashpoint Savitar.
      Then when Barry fixed the timeline, that Savitar became the Savitar that was in the closed loop(the one the team fights this season). This Savitar held the memories of the FP Savitar.
      Your “theory”, is exactly how is was in the show.

    • @kalvin187douglas
      @kalvin187douglas Před rokem +21

      @@brandenmarcum430 wow I always was confused and lost. I bet if Joe was there he’d ask the right questions so that we’d all understand

    • @Homeboy_Brando
      @Homeboy_Brando Před rokem +39

      @@brandenmarcum430
      That’s not how it happened at all. The time remnant that you’re talking about that helped fight Zoom is dead. The reason why Savitar’s memories change as Barry’s memories change is because Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet. Years after Savitar kills Iris, Barry creates multiple time remnants to stop Savitar, and Savitar kills every single one of them except the one that would later become him. Because now there was a duplicate of Barry, Team Flash then rejected that Time Remnant and it drove him mad, which he then later became Savitar because of it.

    • @Torment24
      @Torment24 Před rokem +14

      @@Homeboy_Brando I know that time travel is a popular but confusing topic but that isn’t how it goes. Think about it for a sec. When Barry created the time remnant to stop Zoom, originally it did die. But after the TR’s death, Flash created flashpoint and as we flash fans all know, whenever flashpoint is created but then reset, it changes small bits in reality that didn’t used to be there (for example, Caitlin having powers and Cisco’s brother being dead). One of the things that is now in Barry’s reality that wasn’t once there is the TR surviving as it was saving the multiverse. The TR that was originally used to stop Zoom barely survived which might explain why Savitar has that scar. But when the TR survived, there were then two Barry Allens. However, Barry’s friend kept choosing to be with the original Barry instead of the TR. This causes the TR to become jealous and angry that it was constantly shunned and abandoned by the people he trusted and loved the most. To make that pain go away, the TR tried to become a god, aka Savitar, since god feel no pain. The TR then becomes a psychopath wanting to hurt its original by killing Iris. After Savitar kills Iris, Team Flash spends 4 years trying to stop Savitar and during that time, Barry made more TRs to try and stop Savitar. But to make sure Savitar still stays present, he takes advantage of Barry creating TRs and made sure to leave one TR so that it can experience all the things that Savitar experienced, leading the TR to eventually become Savitar. From when the TR survived and was shunned by his most loved ones, the entire cycle repeats itself. (Sorry if this explanation didn’t help. I just wanted to try and help you understand what Brenden Marcum was trying to say).

  • @6god1986
    @6god1986 Před 2 lety +30

    Why did Barry ignore that question at 1:25 about iris....ion like that and then the way she looked afterwards. I feel he's hiding something about salvitar (him) wanting to hurt her

  • @brookhilton9136
    @brookhilton9136 Před rokem +105

    They also forgot to mention Savitar gave the access codes to STAR labs to Adrian Chase. Which is possible because I believed that Savitar approached Prometheus because Of common foes and offered Chase to even the odds with his vendetta against the Green Arrow.

    • @mahidurrahman4268
      @mahidurrahman4268 Před rokem +1

      This was mentioned in any of the shows?

    • @Homeboy_Brando
      @Homeboy_Brando Před rokem +1

      When did this happen?🤨

    • @burstig5732
      @burstig5732 Před rokem +1

      That never happened, but it could have

    • @justsomeone1555
      @justsomeone1555 Před rokem +10

      They didn't "forget" to mention it. That simply did not happen and is just a fan theory.

    • @crazyman7671
      @crazyman7671 Před rokem +1

      Well Prometheus suddenly showed up in the pipeline outside of Siren's cell. Savitar could HAVE been the one who let Adrian in. As Longshot it is, it IS plausible. Would have been cool to see Barry confront Adrian about helping Savitar (maybe Savitar provided Adrian a way for him to sneak into the Arrow cave? Barry was already helping Arrow from time to time, Savie could just search his brain for the codes)

  • @joshm9663
    @joshm9663 Před 5 lety +126

    Soooo, how does savitar become savitar in the first place??

    • @devinbrown6650
      @devinbrown6650 Před 4 lety +30

      Because Savitar killed both the love of his life and since he was a time remnant who lived everyone shunned him. He was broken. Then realized god feels no pain and decided to become one...No with this "time loop" scenario. Has to have a beginning. A real Savitar that isnt Barry & like all time loops. There's always a point where the loop breaks & ends. We saw the loop end. I feel like we will eventually see a beginning.

    • @devintariel3769
      @devintariel3769 Před 3 lety +4

      Causal loop bootstrap paradox

    • @anesahmatovic5985
      @anesahmatovic5985 Před 3 lety +3

      @@devintariel3769 well there are 2 of them there. It's so conplicated. Savitar mentioned when Barry created time remnant to fight Zoom, and that time remnant died. But that time remnant goes to speed force i guess and he is the one who fights a lot of time remnants and kills them all except for one, that later gets shunned and goes back in time. So fucked up, they never explained it properly...

    • @invincible867
      @invincible867 Před 3 lety +7

      @@anesahmatovic5985 you have it all wrong bud

    • @BuriedAlien-TRN242
      @BuriedAlien-TRN242 Před 3 lety +1

      @@anesahmatovic5985 That Time Remnamt didn't go to the Speed Force. Watch the series again, he died!

  • @Comixknowledge30
    @Comixknowledge30 Před 3 lety +20

    Wally should be more on The Flash

  • @rickyhuynh4641
    @rickyhuynh4641 Před rokem +3

    Barry as Savitar: Nora and Bart, I am your father.
    Bart: you are not pops.
    Nora: ok that’s oversimplifying.

  • @bonpeterson7324
    @bonpeterson7324 Před 2 lety +7

    The coolest port

  • @itzjermz1749
    @itzjermz1749 Před rokem +4

    She has a face she can trust , half of one anyway😂😂😂

  • @Isiauwuehrifi
    @Isiauwuehrifi Před 4 lety +24

    This means that there is a savitar not Barry but an actual savitar somewhere in the speedforce

    • @JashXD
      @JashXD Před 3 lety +5

      ya we never got to see who the real savitar is i hope we get him as a main villain at some point

    • @taurusking_1997
      @taurusking_1997 Před rokem

      @@JashXD no it's always been Barry Allen Savitar. There isn't an "Original' Savitar.

    • @mrHunleashesHELL
      @mrHunleashesHELL Před rokem +2

      @@taurusking_1997 That doesn't make sense , Barry created the time remnant to beat a " Savitar " and that time remnant later on becomes another Savitar. How can the Remnant be that Savitar when he wasn't even created yet.

    • @stegnite
      @stegnite Před rokem +1

      @@mrHunleashesHELL well thats how the 'closed time loop' works is just is or i guess bad writing

    • @GoldenMonarch88
      @GoldenMonarch88 Před rokem

      @@mrHunleashesHELLis it possible that Zoom is the unofficial original Savitar because without Zoom, Barry wouldn’t have needed to call on the time remnant from the future? If Zoom never did what he was going to do in his finale prior to Zoom’s transformation into Black Flash, Savitar as a concept would never have been even considered.

  • @vexxama
    @vexxama Před 3 lety +79

    Can someone clear up an issue I’ve had with this explanation for years? In the version of the time loop the explain, savitar attacks, barry traps him with a time remnant, time remnant becomes savitar.
    So, logically shouldn’t savitar be the free version of a time remnant who isn’t trapped yet? The way this season was done makes it seem like this time remnant is fulfilling the savitar role twice

    • @matthewlincoln8194
      @matthewlincoln8194 Před 2 lety +17

      It seems like it's been a continual cycle of Savitar fighting against team flash ending with Iris's death. Then the Time remnant becomes Savitar, starting the cycle again.
      If that's the case, there should be multiple Savitars trapped in the Speed Force, depending on the number of iterations.
      It almost reminds me of the John Conor/Kyle Reese element of The Terminator.

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +11

      It's actually very simple they failed to explain it in the revealing episode properly but they left us many clues in season 3 to figure it out
      Firstly jay Garrick tells Barry that Savitar is a myth and they show him from behind that is the original savitar
      Secondly jay Garrick also tells that time Is not cement every action you do in present determines the future like it is not necessary that the future you saw will become your actual future cause you can change it by changing your actions
      Thirdly it's a bootstrap paradox like a time loop but every time loop but every time loop even though is an infinite circle should have a beginning and an end
      So now read this points carefully and understand my next comment

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +22

      Now the explanation
      There is an original savitar like a speedster or human who becomes savitar by using the philosophers stone and recruiting acolytes like alchemy goes after Barry Allen in the original timeline and kills iris in the process. So Barry creates time remnants to trap savitar but they all fail and one time remnant escapes and he is shunned by everyone. The original savitar is later trapped by Barry Allen in speed force and that is the end of this origial savitars story ...
      Now the TR(time remnant Barry) becomes so alone and in so much pain wanted to do anything so that his pain would die and then he remembers about savitar and realised that good feels no pain and then comes up with his master minded plan
      TR Barry travels way back in time where the original savitar didn't become savitar yet so TR Barry uses the philosophers stone and becomes savitar himself and does everything the original savitar did by recruiting alchemy etc and becomes the god of speed but then he realises that if savitar dosent kill iris Barry would not make time remnants so this is where THE TIME LOOP BEGINS
      TRS(Time remnant savitar) in order to stay alive kills iris everytime so that Barry will create time remnant and then he spares one time remnant who will later become TRS so he is basically making sure he stays alive hence the time loop or bootstrap paradox begins
      This cycle ends when HR wells sacrificed himself instead of iris so TRS will not be in existence .THIS IS THE STORY OF TIME REMNANT SAVITAR

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +9

      I Know after reading my explanation (your patience level is great) you might have some questions like what happened to original savitar?? If it's an infinite loop how did Barry defeat savitar?? Etc etc I'll try to answer these questions first if you have anything else feel free to ask me
      So about the original savitar ..... He simply is erased from existence because time remnant Barry travelled back in time and becomes savitar so the original person who would become savitar cannot become savitar anymore since there is already a savitar (time remnant)
      He would have a while different journey in this new timeline that Barry Allen created by travelling back in time like basically he created a flashpoint by becoming savitar
      For example if thawne or zoom travel back in time on the day when Barry Allen gets hit by lightning and the dark matter from particle accelerator and save him from getting struck by lightning ,, Barry Allen would not be the flash in this new timeline now he will just be a regular CSI so the Barry Allen who becomes flash and his timeline is simply erased from existence now someone else would become flash by the dark matter instead of Barry Allen
      So similarly the original savitar dosent exist anymore cause time remnant Barry becomes savitar
      And then time remnant savitar starts the loop by killing iris everytime
      Now to the second point.... How did team flash defeat savitar when Barry Allen's savitar already knows what happen????
      It's simple when Barry throws the philosophers stone into the speed force he accidentally travels to future and sees iris getting killed.... In this time loop Barry could have gone to anyplace lime the past or even the future way ahead but in this particular season 3 time loop he luckily travels to the exact moment iris is killed so he knows what exactly happened and tries to do things differently hence HR wells was able to swap himself from iris like if team flash didn't even know whats savitars motive (to kill iris) they would have done things differently and iris would end up dead so this way team flash defeated savitar 😀😀😀
      If you have anymore doubts ask me

    • @daniyalvirk6302
      @daniyalvirk6302 Před 2 lety

      the savitar that was trapped was the remenant

  • @nickdavis3115
    @nickdavis3115 Před 2 lety

    when future barry made the time remnant to kill savitar, the time remnant lived which means the savitar barry try to kill originally, died. so that remnant went back in time and became savitar. it was a constant loop from the on

  • @alaynajones4604
    @alaynajones4604 Před rokem +1

    0:34 - 0:37 God I love Cisco!

  • @darrenraymond2999
    @darrenraymond2999 Před 3 lety +5

    It basically a bootstrap paradox look it up🙂

  • @Spock4771
    @Spock4771 Před měsícem

    I believe he dose in a later scean or episode and Iris comes with the idea to try to change him by accepting him but it dosent work if i remember correctly

  • @kingshit49able
    @kingshit49able Před rokem

    With desperation comes creation

  • @kingnoob9494
    @kingnoob9494 Před 2 lety

    If Savitar is Barry then he would of known about the Speed force trap so surely they should have tried to come up with a backup

  • @quietdemon8138
    @quietdemon8138 Před 2 dny

    It’s funny that Cisco says ‘I hate spin-offs’ considering The Flash is literally one as it was spun off from Barry’s cameos in Arrow

  • @JessRovi
    @JessRovi Před rokem

    good to know is not my wifi the problem

  • @blackfox00
    @blackfox00 Před rokem

    0:40 peep this ... Sisco was so cool without the powers and bs

  • @R..A..H.
    @R..A..H. Před rokem

    He has a face she trusts.... The set up
    Half of one anyway.... The finisher haha lmfao

  • @emckeon9766
    @emckeon9766 Před rokem +1

    I miss jo being more hands on in the villains

  • @NicoleCringe
    @NicoleCringe Před rokem +1

    Still find it stupid that Cisco's solution was to try and stop Barry from making memories. I mean...why not just lock him in the pipeline until the date? Why did no one think of that? Or hell just have Barry chill in Oliver's prison in Lian Yu.
    Especially since they have a speedster that could save the city.

  • @anthonyflahive9160
    @anthonyflahive9160 Před 5 lety +55

    If Barry fights savitar and creates a time remnant then who was savitar before the time remnant became savitar? Was it still Barry or nobody?

    • @lukecullins9934
      @lukecullins9934 Před 4 lety +4

      Technically the way it was represented looked n sounded cool but if you dig down deep it makes no sense . The loop of time remnant came first or savitar is the most confusing shit they showed ..

    • @lukecullins9934
      @lukecullins9934 Před 4 lety +2

      @SD I appreciate your effort to start this topic but I've wrapped up frm this . The S05E08 episode where thawne tells Nora about Barry being Savitar just makes 0 sense and I'll tell you why . The timeline that thawne was frm. Is the original timeline Since it was s01 episode the day Harthley was caught etc . That thawne was frm OG timeline where there was actually no Savitar . Thawne killing Nora created the alternate reality where S01 took place . So how the fuck thawne knows about Barry being Savitar since that thing takes places after S02 .got my point

    • @lukecullins9934
      @lukecullins9934 Před 4 lety +2

      @SD yes sorry to spoil but if you try n think once The S01 thawne that got erased from existence due to Eddie shud never know about Savitar being Barry coz those events took place as a result of S02 n s02 is result of S01 which means S01 is the outcome of Nora's death . None of this shit happens in OG timeline coz in that timeline Particle accelerator was started in 2020

    • @ashshenah7861
      @ashshenah7861 Před 4 lety +1

      @@lukecullins9934 well technically Thawne is from the future so that's probably how we knows Barry (Time Remnant) is Savitar in the future

    • @lewispatrice1829
      @lewispatrice1829 Před 3 lety +1

      Barry

  • @d6rkOfHate
    @d6rkOfHate Před rokem

    Im pretty sure Savitor is the Time remit that HELPED/died for barry when he versed zoom. Sum how later in the future became evil. Only way i can see it

  • @Bodysweeper
    @Bodysweeper Před rokem

    BRUH HE COMPLETELY DODGED THAT QUESTION

    • @primalvelocity3811
      @primalvelocity3811 Před rokem

      Yeah, because Team Flash is the reason why Savitar exists. They rejected, and shunned him, like absolute idiots.

    • @Bodysweeper
      @Bodysweeper Před rokem

      @@primalvelocity3811 Exactly Ik that

  • @tideghost
    @tideghost Před rokem

    1:30 because that’s how he is born. 🤦‍♂️ By driving Barry into darkness.

  • @mosesevergreen6803
    @mosesevergreen6803 Před rokem

    Realistically for a conversation where Barry tells the team who Savitar is, why is everyone scattered in the room. Feels like huddle as one group kind of thing. Barry wasn't even in the room. Did he yell it with his back turned while grabbing an ice pack?

  • @chronixcz4680
    @chronixcz4680 Před rokem

    after thinking about savitar it makes sense why he would kill iris because hes a version of barry who nearly died and can't go anywhere. he was meant to die but since he didnt iris couldnt be with HIM because she has a barry and his version of her is dead also if it goes they way he said it "they all shunned me because i wasnt a true hero" than it makes sense why he would just kill them all since its basically a fuck since you aint the real OG so idk take it how you leave it

  • @jumpcutfilms1958
    @jumpcutfilms1958 Před 6 měsíci

    I feel like future Barry knew who Savitar was but just didn't say anything for some reason

  • @davidjacksonjr.3840
    @davidjacksonjr.3840 Před 3 lety +15

    I'm Still Confused How Did Berry Become Savitar I'm Still Lost I've Been Lost Since This Episode Was On T.V

    • @JashXD
      @JashXD Před 3 lety +7

      time remnant became savitar because future barry abandoned him and the remnant had a mental breakdown so he killed iris

    • @davidjacksonjr.3840
      @davidjacksonjr.3840 Před 3 lety

      @@JashXD But The Time Remnant Die By Stopping Zoom's Plan

    • @JashXD
      @JashXD Před 3 lety +2

      @@davidjacksonjr.3840 that was a different to time remnant and that was before flashpoint, the remnant i was talking about was when barry was trying to stop savitar and he made remnants to fight him

    • @davidjacksonjr.3840
      @davidjacksonjr.3840 Před 3 lety

      @@JashXD Yeah Still Lost

    • @JashXD
      @JashXD Před 3 lety

      @@davidjacksonjr.3840 czcams.com/video/DzwZW5c1eEY/video.html&ab_channel=Pagey

  • @jeremiahstallworth3347
    @jeremiahstallworth3347 Před rokem +2

    I hate spin-offs while his show is a spin off😭😭

  • @brianfreeman2200
    @brianfreeman2200 Před 6 dny

    I mean it makes sense. Let's think iris dies and then that Barry creates the remnants. Remnants who all remember losing iris. But now that remnant lives and isn't allowed to grieve the loss of iris that he remembers with those like Joe and all of them only the real Barry can grieve with them but he rejects them all. So now this remnant is truly alone so he was like fuck this and this is all Barry's fault he brought me into this hell and now

  • @arturkatopenha7251
    @arturkatopenha7251 Před rokem +6

    So the origin of Savitar was the TR that Barry created to defeat Zoom.
    After that, the others Savitars was Barry´s creation to defeat Savitar himself, creating this loop.
    "So why future Barry didn´t tell about the TR or anything about it?"
    Idk... But it doesn´t matter! Remember Savitar´s plan B? Even revealing himself, the timeline remain intact bc of it.
    DAMN time travel is really cool, but confusing 😅

    • @Koraki0000
      @Koraki0000 Před rokem

      It really isn't, especially because it has nothing to do with the Time Remnant that Flash used to defeat Zoom, that one died. The Time remnant that is Savitar is one that future Barry made in order to fight Savitar, however this one goes mad and later becomes Savitar, going back in time and closing the loop by doing the same thing

  • @Starzig123
    @Starzig123 Před 2 lety +1

    There was no flashback of savitars origin

  • @Ninehusss
    @Ninehusss Před 3 měsíci

    Is that the same as when thawne kills barrys mom so he dont become the flash, and then thawne dont become the reverse like a loop?

  • @BryanKalloo
    @BryanKalloo Před rokem

    I doubt future Barry meant Savitar Barry cuz he didn't learn who Savitar was

  • @NCataclysm
    @NCataclysm Před rokem

    theres a huge plot hole that doesn't really get addressed sadly but the season wasn't bad

  • @JakeTylenol
    @JakeTylenol Před 9 měsíci

    How do you have Voyager but n-whatever

  • @aladar444
    @aladar444 Před 2 lety

    Savitar saga was based on The future trunks ark from db super

  • @malaikaarif1629
    @malaikaarif1629 Před rokem +1

    The 146

  • @cwp4eva
    @cwp4eva Před rokem +1

    I hate spin-offs lol I got that joke

  • @rajatopal2881
    @rajatopal2881 Před rokem

    Bro can someone please explain this. Like Barry put savatar in the speed force in the future but what did the time remit do before before he became savatar
    Because I am not sure because he said that you all shunned me including Allen so we’re they

    • @primalvelocity3811
      @primalvelocity3811 Před rokem

      The time remnant of Barry was only created to fight Savitar. After the fight is over, Team Flash rejects, and shuns the time remnant of Barry, like idiots, leading him on to become Savitar.

  • @jamespeacock8776
    @jamespeacock8776 Před rokem

    Can we all agree that savitar is season 2 flash who sacrificed himself

  • @gold.digger.g1rl
    @gold.digger.g1rl Před rokem

    it's been years and i still don't understand savitar creation

    • @thebeginster
      @thebeginster Před rokem

      Time loop. Savitar fights Barry and eventually kills Iris. Barry in his grief creates remanants to stop Savitar. Savitar kills all the remanants except one. That remanant is shunned cuz he wasn't the true Barry Allen. That remanant goes mad and gets the idea to be a god,Savitar. Savitar's existance is a time loop. He is responsible for the time remanant's creation, and the remanant needs to become Savitar for Savitar to exist. That's why he got erased from existance when he killed H.R instead of Iris. If Iris doesn't die, Barry won't create the reamanant hence Savitar doesn't exist. The loop was infinite until that point.

  • @clionaduffy8330
    @clionaduffy8330 Před 2 měsíci

    I’m just so confused with the origin of savitar. I know he is a time remanent of Barry Allen . I also know the at Barry Allen creates a time remanent to kill savitar but savitar lets him live to later become savitar but where did the original savitar come from in the first place I don’t get it cause savitar has to have an origin to become what he is in the first place. like was he created cause Barry keeps going back in time a lot? . Like in an original timeline do one of his remenents live from past events where Barry created TR but then did that TR feel shunned etc and become savitar later on and kill iris as revenge and then go back in time and go from there where he lets a TR live to become him to create the loop ?

  • @Homunculusofthehaze
    @Homunculusofthehaze Před 10 měsíci

    I just realized this doesn’t make sense at all since that’s means there should always be a Savitar just running around since the loop starts when savitar breaks out of the speed force and then kills iris fights Barry and scars his past self before getting trapped in the speed force only to then break out and kill iris again but then that means that there should still be a past version of savitar running around who never gets put into the speed force which means savitar never breaks our and kills iris meaning he’s never born so then means that past version is the one that fights barry and gets trapped meaning the one who killed iris just kills her and dips see no matter how u look at this there should always be 2 savitars since the one who kills iris has already been trapped this explanation only makes sense if savitar kills iris before ever being trapped but since the one who kills iris was already trapped that means that either the one who kills her just goes off and does something else after killing her or there’s multiple versions of past savitars who are continuously spreading the legend of savitar while the actual savitar is just constantly creating more past versions of himself to spread the legend of savitar and then getting trapped in the speed force over and over again but if that’s the case then whether or not iris dies he still exist because then that means that he doesn’t actually need to keep creating himself so then this whole plot line make no sense

    • @_utopia__
      @_utopia__ Před 7 měsíci

      In the future there was a savitar that was roaming free. After killing iris he started roaming in the multiverse. Anything that happens in the future is cause by the 'new' Savitar when they shunnned him. When the time remnant became Savitar in 202x he time travelled to 2020 in the moment when he fight barry and the time remnant thus making the paradox then he got trapped and the remnant continue the loop. And it goes on. Everything is explained in 3x21

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 Před 16 dny

      @@_utopia__was there a savitar before Barry created flashpoint

  • @Rohit-ei5mr
    @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +6

    I don't get why people are so confused about this? In this particular scene they might have failed to explain what's going on but the explanation is in the entire season itself cause jay Garrick tells Barry that time is not cement every action we take in present and past will affect the future that one scene is enough to explain all this savitar scene so I'll try to explain this situation as brief as possible
    Every time loop or bootstrap paradox has a beginning and an end somewhere in the timeline so in the original timeline there was a real savitar who was the god of speed when he gets his power because of the philosophers stone and recruits acolytes like alchemy and remaining cult and wages a war with Barry Allen along the line and in doing so kills Iris , seeing iris dead this Barry Allen creates time remnants to defeat savitar but all die and one remnant escapes and in the future of this Barry Allen he traps savitar the real one in speed force and now the remnant Barry Allen is so lonely by being shunned by everyone he loves couldn't bear the pain and gets the idea of becoming a god cause god feels no pain
    So now time remnant Barry goes back in time finds the origins of savitar and becomes savitar himself using the philosophers stone and acolytes so in this timeline because of these events the real savitar wouldn't exist anymore cause time remnant Barry changed the timeline by becoming savitar so now this savitar(time remnant) also does everything that savitar did and wages war against the present Barry Allen (season 3 Barry) and starts a time loop by killing iris everytime so that he can be created cause if he kills iris Barry will make time remnants to defeat savitar and the last remnant that survives will again go back in time and become savitar so this First time remnant savitar also gets wiped of existence as again the new remnant becomes savitar and that is the beginning of Time remnant savitar time loop or bootstrap paradox
    The end of this time loop occurs when HR sacrifices himself instead of Iris
    I know it's a lot to read but I tried my best to keep it brief and simple

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety +1

      And jay Garrick also mentioned the origins of savitar when he tells he's a myth and they show his body from behind that is the original savitar

    • @boxing_classics285
      @boxing_classics285 Před 2 lety

      Exactly

    • @liamhouston6944
      @liamhouston6944 Před 2 lety

      So is that why black flash was after the time remnant as he changed the past and became savitar

    • @Rohit-ei5mr
      @Rohit-ei5mr Před 2 lety

      @@liamhouston6944 yaa

    • @TheJoker8311
      @TheJoker8311 Před rokem

      Barry said to Iris: "Broken. Part of him is. He said that it was like looking in a mirror and he was right but not just the way he looked. It was his eyes. The pain that was inside them. I've seen that in myself. When I think about how my parents died so violently, sometimes I wanna repay that violence with more violence, I wanna make someone else hurt as much as I do. No, I know, but it's in there, you know? That's in me. That power, that pain. That's where Savitar comes from. From loss. From losing you."

  • @JoseSosa-fy5oy
    @JoseSosa-fy5oy Před rokem

    I don’t understand Savitar was he the time remnant created when Barry raced zoom or is he another time remnant ?

    • @Feitan_619
      @Feitan_619 Před rokem

      He is supposedly a time remnant from the future that Barry creates to defeat savitar (what i don’t get is how savitar exists if Barry hasn’t created that time remnant yet)

    • @Koraki0000
      @Koraki0000 Před rokem

      @@Feitan_619 Because he did in the future, and then Savitar went back in time, therefore, he exists

    • @jotarokujo4250
      @jotarokujo4250 Před rokem

      He a time paradox.

  • @49HEALTH
    @49HEALTH Před rokem

    Big ass plot hole lol. Savitar wants to kill iris so that barry would use time remnants which would create savitar but savitar also said it wouldn’t matter if barry killed himself.

  • @thelifeofwraith3285
    @thelifeofwraith3285 Před rokem +1

    So who’s really Savitar? Barry created a TR to fight Savitar and the TR became Savitar? And it keeps going?

    • @edbertextreme
      @edbertextreme Před rokem +2

      Yeah, just like HR said Chicken Egg scenario, nobody know who come first

    • @TheJoker8311
      @TheJoker8311 Před rokem

      Barry said to Iris that he hid his Savitar personality deep inside

  • @kalvin187douglas
    @kalvin187douglas Před rokem

    I still don’t understand how Savitar exists and why he blames Team Flash for “taking everything” from Savitar. So confusing to me

    • @bangalybashir94
      @bangalybashir94 Před rokem +3

      It’s a paradox like how reverse flash never truly dies

    • @kalvin187douglas
      @kalvin187douglas Před 5 měsíci

      @@bangalybashir94wish they explained more of his story

  • @christopherwallis419
    @christopherwallis419 Před rokem

    What happened to the savitar that let the time remnant live

  • @lieutenantwolf5437
    @lieutenantwolf5437 Před rokem

    I’m such an idiot and still don’t understand how Savitar existed ik they explain it here but can someone dumb it down a bit for me 😂 so future Barry creates time remnants to stop savitar but how did that future savitar create the savitar that would go on to become him and also I thought the time remnant that helped stop zoom was savitar because of the burned face

    • @bradnorton5034
      @bradnorton5034 Před rokem +1

      So in the Emo Flash timeline where Iris really died, Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one. They successfully trapped Savitar in the speed force. But then the whole team shunned that remaining time remnant who went back in time to become the god of speed Savitar and the loop happened, but just for once cause we all know how Savitar's whole existence and the emo timeline got erased in the finale.
      Uhm shot in the back, RIP Savitar.

    • @haddy106
      @haddy106 Před rokem +1

      The Barry that helped fight Zoom was disintegrated, slight after-effect of neutralising a weapon capable of destroying the multiverse

    • @Feitan_619
      @Feitan_619 Před rokem +1

      @@bradnorton5034 “Flash created time remnants to stop Savitar and Savitar killed all of them except one” I get that but how did Savitar (the original Savitar who kills all the time remnants but one)exist if he is a time remnant of Barry which hasn’t been created yet

    • @bradnorton5034
      @bradnorton5034 Před rokem

      @@Feitan_619 The time remnant went back in time to become Savitar and stayed in the past for years, killed Iris when time came and then was sent in the speed force for eternity.

    • @thebeginster
      @thebeginster Před rokem

      ​@@Feitan_619 Savitar is from the future. He can time travel to any point he wishes. In his timeline, the remnants were born and died by a future version of him, who kept one alive to become him.

  • @1lunet
    @1lunet Před 3 lety +1

    MALFOY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE WITH SOME MUGGLES [ WIZARDLESS NORMAL HUMANS HARRY POTTER REFERENCE ]

  • @keithoutlaw6493
    @keithoutlaw6493 Před rokem

    I think the original savitar wasnt barry . But knew he could make that reminat of barry one

  • @maartinhs
    @maartinhs Před rokem

    70% of fans rooted for savitar to kill iris... because damn she is annoying as hell i couldnt take it anymore after season 5 then i gave it a shot at season 6 but damn that one character can ruin a show... loved flash and the speedster theme like time travel etc even with nerfs so he can fight with oliver etc..

  • @feliciaernest2043
    @feliciaernest2043 Před 5 lety +7

    Barry stop sanitary from killing iris ya,Llc are cute together I don’t want to see you sad anymore I love both of ya,ll