I took my 300KTM engine a part with not even 20hrs in it and I find an unexpected big surprise which should not happened. #enduro #ktm #ktm300xc #urmosi
Mister, it is not that making parts in Europe become to expensive, have it made in China mean more profit, because they still ask "made in EU" prices. That's the whole thing. Like the USA is going down by their own greed, so does Europe who became a copy of the US. Money, money, money, more, more, more, that's all that count. That never goes well at the long term. In the old days the customer was a king, now the customer is a pay slave.
Both of the TM's I've known of were sold within 6 months of ownership. Both were 23 300's and both were FI'd. Seized, caught on fire and power valve reset problems. No help from the factory what's so ever. I had one on order and canceled ASAP. I think they'd be a great bike if you lived next door to the factory. Sealed main bearings on the crank were the cause of the seizure.@@jeff40
@@williamcrotts7054 defiantly anything is better or just as bad as a ktmhuskagas enjoy your chinese ktm , dosent matter anyway they have always been second rate to the Japenese stuff. At least TM is a genuine bike
There is a channel on here called “Pinit Racing Development”. He has found that the 250/300 two stroke pistons at high revs can actually touch the crank and shatter the piston. His fíx is shaving the bottom back-side of the piston down about 2mm and/or using a Wossner piston which is forged instead of cast.
The biggest problem with today's engines is the high emissions requirements, which means they get too little fuel, which makes them much hotter because fuel also cools the engine.
hate what ktm is doing right now. If im paying that much for a nice machine I want a nice machine! obviously good quality Indian and Chinese, especially Taiwanese products can be made if quality control is there but I think that this is a mix of poor quality control and bad engineering. I heard that the tolerances are just too tight and things can hit one another if really stressed and when you look at the wear patterns on that cylinder and piston something is obviously not round, and its our by lot for it to still be untouched at 16 hours of riding. we need ktm to keep good quality control and to make their products much more in austria and other developed nations.
I've been riding that CR since 2003 but it scuffed the piston wall at last repair😂 which granted the machine another piston... And probably another 25 or 30 hours on it currently... The bottom end is never been split 🪓 I'm glad I don't have modern two-stroke machinery..🐒 and I'm not buying a new cylinder f*** it it's still runs
KTM owner since 2011. On my 4th one, a 24 300SX. If KTM keeps outsourcing what's the point in owning one? Seems their decent into mediocrity is accelerating. When I discovered KYMCO (Taiwanese) on my cylinder... well serious disappointment ensued! "Made in China" is also problematic for me because they are a Communist country whose government, military and probably half their population are very hostile to Western style democratic countries and would like nothing more then to see the United States removed from the face of the planet! When "given a choice" I will not buy from these types of countries so it's not just about the quality of parts and manufacturing. "Made in China" is a "Red Flag"... pun intended! I still believe that for the most part their products are still inferior and garbage! Before anyone says well you're probably typing all this on your Chinese made iMac! You would be correct but then I didn't have a choice did I? All of this is about the usual paradigm! Money, greed and corruption. If I buy another new machine and KTM doesn't reverse course I will most likely be switching brands. The Japanese have also adopted the "Global" model in search of low wages and maximized profits screwing their own country and countrymen as well! Beta maybe? That bike is also on its way to Globalized parts but I believe the engine and trans are still mostly Italian? Rant over!
I look at it as a good experience and I'm lucky enough to get a replacement parts for low cost. The Beta is a good choice to have when it comes to reliability, Thank you
Interesting. I havent heard about this yet. I just did a top end on my 2023 250XC and everything looked brand new inside. I ride harescrambles so im not high in the rpms all the time. Thats a shame to hear as this is the best bike ive ever owned!
I think you going to be ok if you not do high rpms still good to look out for a TSP kit which can deliver more fuel to the engine. have one on the way I make a video about what it dose
Man you are awesome. How old are you? I watched a bunch of videos and you ride hard and with lots of skill!! Sorry to hear you got a tpi issue. My friends tpi engine lost compression at 50 hrs and he’s a vet enduro c rider local. And I don’t agree with you on China; IMO it’s all junk if it comes from China electronics excluded.
I’m close to 50 😅 I really enjoy riding and I spend a lot of time practicing to be in shape. Far as the bike it’s part of the riding I get upset first but I see it as an opportunity to make it better, thank you
KTM is only moving the Duke 390 to India. All of their dirt bike assembly is staying in Austria. Also, you don't quite have the correct story on what's causing the issue you show with the cylinder/piston but I'm not going to go into it because it is a debatable point. And last, even if you don't have a warranty you could go to your KTM dealer and KTM and discuss the issue and they would probably help a normal owner. However, there are documented youtube videos showing you have messed with the bike and it's not technically stock any longer. I hope all is going to work out for you. Cheers.
I don’t really have a story on what happened with mine other than I don’t use my KTM in a normal circumstances but I think it still should handle the high rev speed runs and I just show you the condition what the bike has after a low hrs. Far as mods what I did is actually adding more fuel=lubrication to it and know I do ad more aftermarket parts to make it better and more reliable. Cheers
Is this only in the two strokes 🤔 because I’m thinking of buying a ktm 500 excf for trail riding, I’ll do more research on this, I had a 2015 ktm duke 125 brand new that was made in India, it was very good quality except for the rear shock that crapped out at 4000 miles!!! but you could see the shock was priced down.
The 4 strokes are perfectly fine. This is all because of KTM have to deal with the European emissions rules. This problem is with two strokes what made in 23-24 and if the bikes gets ride hard!
I did a post on instagram about this issue and people saying the elco is letting water in to the cylinder andthats causing a cracked cylinder head that's why KTM changed to kymko even if the cylinder nikasil was way better on the eclko there is 4M views on the post and a lot of pro mechanics comments (urmosithrottle)
@@charlesdufour3676 Hopefully you lucky and not getting to much damage. What I recommend is if you hear a cranking or weird sound stop the engine right the way like I did. Good luck 🍀
Your cylinder sounds like a bargain.. It's 550 for my 2000 CR125 cylinder.. brand new factory nickasil plated.. But Not much cheaper than your current machinery😂
I have a 2011 ktm 300xc and it came stock with a Vertex piston. I rebuilt the top end and used a Vertex piston. I haven't had any problems at all. I do change the transmission oil & air filter after every other ride unless it's a really dusty or muddy ride then I change the air filter right away.
Probably best to fix up and sell your pumpkin 🎃 bike. And just keep riding the blue beast. There simple affordable and have endless parts available. Just like anything the more complex you make something the less reliable it is unfortunately and it just drives the price up 12,000 dollars for a dirt bike is ridiculous
This is such a disappointment that KTM has done this with manufacturing. But this has come with EU green policies, labor issues and this push toward globalization. Manufactures are making all sorts of compromises to engine performance and life to meet stupid environmental standards that should not apply to such a small segment of motorized vehicles. In the end I think everyone loses. Except chinese brands like CF Moto and Kove who will take over the market in the near future. Why pay KTM price for a China bike? Why not get a Kove that is proudly chinese and has all the innovation they can throw at it vs KTM staying in their safe lane they created for themselves. Kove built the 450 Rally that KTM should have built back in 2008 replacing the 640 A. Instead they put out bikes no one asked for or cared about, but people bought anyway. Watch Kove put out a 100hp 450lb twin with dirtbike suspension and just take over everything. I have ridden KTM since 2003. My old 300s were bullet proof. My 640 is bulletproof.
Kove is coming out with a modern specification 450 and an a promising E- Bike they are targeting a global market alongside with a number of other Chinese companies
Mister, it is not that making parts in Europe become to expensive, have it made in China mean more profit, because they still ask "made in EU" prices. That's the whole thing. Like the USA is going down by their own greed, so does Europe who became a copy of the US. Money, money, money, more, more, more, that's all that count. That never goes well at the long term. In the old days the customer was a king, now the customer is a pay slave.
I have an Italian TM, but no Chinese parts to be found. The engine is 100% made in Italy.
You think that's a good thing?
@@williamcrotts7054Maybe kind of like when Harley-Davidson was bought by Aeromacchi or some Italian company in the 1980's. Or AMF was the company.
Both of the TM's I've known of were sold within 6 months of ownership. Both were 23 300's and both were FI'd. Seized, caught on fire and power valve reset problems. No help from the factory what's so ever. I had one on order and canceled ASAP. I think they'd be a great bike if you lived next door to the factory. Sealed main bearings on the crank were the cause of the seizure.@@jeff40
@@williamcrotts7054 defiantly anything is better or just as bad as a ktmhuskagas enjoy your chinese ktm , dosent matter anyway they have always been second rate to the Japenese stuff. At least TM is a genuine bike
The company who built those bikes are making most of the parts in house I saw a few of them they are unique for sure
There is a channel on here called “Pinit Racing Development”. He has found that the 250/300 two stroke pistons at high revs can actually touch the crank and shatter the piston. His fíx is shaving the bottom back-side of the piston down about 2mm and/or using a Wossner piston which is forged instead of cast.
I called those guys and I’m going to order one of those wossner pistons.
I would not rely on that guy, that place (pinit racing) is a joke.
@@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atvMade in Germany
Wössner D-79576 Weil am Rhein
Fake news.
The biggest problem with today's engines is the high emissions requirements, which means they get too little fuel, which makes them much hotter because fuel also cools the engine.
Not really ...depends on brand....
--Yamaha, Beta, Sherco, Reiju all wisely use Keihin carbs...
eeeeeexcuses , pile of shite always have been . Which problem this model it is like a game at owners expense.
That's exactly right and what worries me more I adjusted the TPS to "send" more fuel to the engine
@@jonsainsbury8726 They use carbs due to being small companies, but they still have issues, my mates Shero was horrible
Very well said agree 100%. I've owned 13 new KTM motorbikes since 2011 if they go china I'm going blue. True story..
Yamaha is busy developing a 300 enduro with fan electric start
hate what ktm is doing right now. If im paying that much for a nice machine I want a nice machine! obviously good quality Indian and Chinese, especially Taiwanese products can be made if quality control is there but I think that this is a mix of poor quality control and bad engineering. I heard that the tolerances are just too tight and things can hit one another if really stressed and when you look at the wear patterns on that cylinder and piston something is obviously not round, and its our by lot for it to still be untouched at 16 hours of riding. we need ktm to keep good quality control and to make their products much more in austria and other developed nations.
Very well said sir.
Ready to race! To the shop 😂😂😂
I've been riding that CR since 2003 but it scuffed the piston wall at last repair😂 which granted the machine another piston... And probably another 25 or 30 hours on it currently... The bottom end is never been split 🪓 I'm glad I don't have modern two-stroke machinery..🐒 and I'm not buying a new cylinder f*** it it's still runs
KTM owner since 2011. On my 4th one, a 24 300SX. If KTM keeps outsourcing what's the point in owning one? Seems their decent into mediocrity is accelerating. When I discovered KYMCO (Taiwanese) on my cylinder... well serious disappointment ensued! "Made in China" is also problematic for me because they are a Communist country whose government, military and probably half their population are very hostile to Western style democratic countries and would like nothing more then to see the United States removed from the face of the planet! When "given a choice" I will not buy from these types of countries so it's not just about the quality of parts and manufacturing. "Made in China" is a "Red Flag"... pun intended! I still believe that for the most part their products are still inferior and garbage! Before anyone says well you're probably typing all this on your Chinese made iMac! You would be correct but then I didn't have a choice did I? All of this is about the usual paradigm! Money, greed and corruption. If I buy another new machine and KTM doesn't reverse course I will most likely be switching brands. The Japanese have also adopted the "Global" model in search of low wages and maximized profits screwing their own country and countrymen as well! Beta maybe? That bike is also on its way to Globalized parts but I believe the engine and trans are still mostly Italian? Rant over!
Well said. We in the USA have given away our core strength which was manufacturing. I want it back.
Thank you!@@chetwinkles5051
Agreed.
I'm glad I didn't buy a KTM in 2018, 19, 20 , 21, 22, 23, or 24 But this is how long I been watching them.
I'll Stick with my Beta 300RR...Sorry you had to pay so much for your bike to fail. Good luck and thanks for the videos.
I look at it as a good experience and I'm lucky enough to get a replacement parts for low cost. The Beta is a good choice to have when it comes to reliability, Thank you
I've never heard of this problem before.
looks like its running lean, richen the mixture and use quality oil , also the correct heat range plug.
The manufacturer say 60:1 I do 50:1 and I adjusted the TPS and with that the engine gets more fuel.
Hi Rob, that's good, ride safe dude 🙂@@roberturmosi-dirtbike-atv
Interesting. I havent heard about this yet. I just did a top end on my 2023 250XC and everything looked brand new inside. I ride harescrambles so im not high in the rpms all the time. Thats a shame to hear as this is the best bike ive ever owned!
I think you going to be ok if you not do high rpms still good to look out for a TSP kit which can deliver more fuel to the engine. have one on the way I make a video about what it dose
Very good explanation about KTM quality. I love KTM but I can not understand the way the way to make business, that is bade..
Man you are awesome. How old are you? I watched a bunch of videos and you ride hard and with lots of skill!! Sorry to hear you got a tpi issue. My friends tpi engine lost compression at 50 hrs and he’s a vet enduro c rider local.
And I don’t agree with you on China; IMO it’s all junk if it comes from China electronics excluded.
I’m close to 50 😅 I really enjoy riding and I spend a lot of time practicing to be in shape. Far as the bike it’s part of the riding I get upset first but I see it as an opportunity to make it better, thank you
KTM is only moving the Duke 390 to India. All of their dirt bike assembly is staying in Austria. Also, you don't quite have the correct story on what's causing the issue you show with the cylinder/piston but I'm not going to go into it because it is a debatable point. And last, even if you don't have a warranty you could go to your KTM dealer and KTM and discuss the issue and they would probably help a normal owner. However, there are documented youtube videos showing you have messed with the bike and it's not technically stock any longer. I hope all is going to work out for you. Cheers.
I don’t really have a story on what happened with mine other than I don’t use my KTM in a normal circumstances but I think it still should handle the high rev speed runs and I just show you the condition what the bike has after a low hrs. Far as mods what I did is actually adding more fuel=lubrication to it and know I do ad more aftermarket parts to make it better and more reliable. Cheers
Is this only in the two strokes 🤔 because I’m thinking of buying a ktm 500 excf for trail riding, I’ll do more research on this, I had a 2015 ktm duke 125 brand new that was made in India, it was very good quality except for the rear shock that crapped out at 4000 miles!!! but you could see the shock was priced down.
The 4 strokes are perfectly fine. This is all because of KTM have to deal with the European emissions rules. This problem is with two strokes what made in 23-24 and if the bikes gets ride hard!
Chinese parts on the most expensive bikes show them by buying another brand
The piston is not even an issue...This is a very poor video and extremely misleadng
Kymco make the cylinders!
No wonder they are grenades!!
I ride blue,never a problem but my mates ride orange and nothing but problems!
16.8h shouldn't that be covered under warranty?
KTM dose not give warranty on they bikes
I don’t know why but my 2024 300xc-w the cylindre is still a elco, not a kymko
I did a post on instagram about this issue and people saying the elco is letting water in to the cylinder andthats causing a cracked cylinder head that's why KTM changed to kymko even if the cylinder nikasil was way better on the eclko there is 4M views on the post and a lot of pro mechanics comments (urmosithrottle)
I just find that on inst thank you my friend, i hope my engine will blow i’ll change everything in good aftermarket cylidre-piston-head 🤘🏻
@@charlesdufour3676 Hopefully you lucky and not getting to much damage. What I recommend is if you hear a cranking or weird sound stop the engine right the way like I did. Good luck 🍀
Yeah for sure
Chinesium, ktm and cfmoto and all the other chinesium things that are in bed with ktm are amazing
More internet spew, just throw it out there by using your iPhone made in China.
Your cylinder sounds like a bargain.. It's 550 for my 2000 CR125 cylinder.. brand new factory nickasil plated.. But Not much cheaper than your current machinery😂
That's interesting I didn't thought Nikasil a cylinder cost that much. least you treat your bike well
Greed has killed KTM's reliable brand.. I'll happily stick with my older huskys that were made by husqvarna.. no orange in this camp..
They did not have piston problems till using China pistons enough said.
They don't use China pistons.
@@onthethrottle7104In that case maybe they should .
I dont know what KTM is using today, but in the old days they came with German Mahle pistons. And that is pretty high end stuff.
@@jpsholland Don't know who either but the piston is hitting the crank
I have a 2011 ktm 300xc and it came stock with a Vertex piston. I rebuilt the top end and used a Vertex piston. I haven't had any problems at all. I do change the transmission oil & air filter after every other ride unless it's a really dusty or muddy ride then I change the air filter right away.
Probably best to fix up and sell your pumpkin 🎃 bike. And just keep riding the blue beast. There simple affordable and have endless parts available. Just like anything the more complex you make something the less reliable it is unfortunately and it just drives the price up 12,000 dollars for a dirt bike is ridiculous
Very well said
Agreed
Those Chinese parts are how they sell KTMs so cheap...
This is such a disappointment that KTM has done this with manufacturing. But this has come with EU green policies, labor issues and this push toward globalization. Manufactures are making all sorts of compromises to engine performance and life to meet stupid environmental standards that should not apply to such a small segment of motorized vehicles. In the end I think everyone loses. Except chinese brands like CF Moto and Kove who will take over the market in the near future. Why pay KTM price for a China bike? Why not get a Kove that is proudly chinese and has all the innovation they can throw at it vs KTM staying in their safe lane they created for themselves. Kove built the 450 Rally that KTM should have built back in 2008 replacing the 640 A. Instead they put out bikes no one asked for or cared about, but people bought anyway. Watch Kove put out a 100hp 450lb twin with dirtbike suspension and just take over everything. I have ridden KTM since 2003. My old 300s were bullet proof. My 640 is bulletproof.
Kove is coming out with a modern specification 450 and an a promising E- Bike they are targeting a global market alongside with a number of other Chinese companies
Kymco chinese scrap