Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania LIVE BREAKDOWN (Spoilers) | The Deep Dive
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- Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania LIVE BREAKDOWN by Erik Voss! Erik hosts his first solo livestream to talk about Quantumania, its ending, post-credit scenes, Kang, and more! (Spoilers ahead! Do not watch if you haven't seen Quantumania!)
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I think Scott’s paranoia mimics Stark’s after the first Avengers. He’s now so concerned with his reality after discovering knowledge of a threat beyond his understanding.
Exactly what I thought
Haven’t watched the video so don’t know if this would’ve been bought up but I feel Scott’s been put into a time loop at the end of quantumania🤷🏼♂️
Oh yeah, I feel like Scott’s going to become the next, Tony Stark type character the one who drives the king hunt whatever is gonna happen
I didn't think of Tony, I was thinking Scott is basically Loki just on Earth which is 100X worse. There's no Avengers (like the TVA) for Scott to tell, so what can he do if the end is coming.
I was NOT expecting to get an emotional Erik talk about his wife, but I’m SO happy that I got that! So happy that you’re with someone who makes you feel so happy
To be fair Janet did seem really concerned about Scott going down there, she broke down exactly what to do and stay away from, she knew where he was going. To me she seemed nervous.
And she was keeping her PTSD & trauma to herself, probably because she didn’t know how to deal with any of what happened to her down in the Quantum Realm.
@@roberts_archive She knew she'd doomed the Quantum Realm to Kang and also given up her chance to return to her daughter. That's A LOT to deal with.
She basically knew there was a monster at the bottom of the sea. She reacted differently to Scott taking a ‘dip’ to get some healing particles compared to Cassie making a huge splash by dropping something that would sink to the bottom.
I was thinking the exact same thing
I kept thinking what an incredible ending it would’ve been if it had taken Cassie months to figure out the portal at the end, and by the time Scott & Hope make it back up to Earth, so much has changed. Would’ve been a hell of a way to kick off phase 5.
The paranoia of Scott at the end about whether he did the right thing was more subtle and scary. Time jump was already done in Endgame
What if it did take her months 😅 but it felt like 40’seconds 🧐
I don't think they actually made it out
@@yomaine the cave all over again haha
Yes 🙌
I just want to say how much I appreciate the way you embrace the suspension of belief and having fun in the movies while still pointing out the misses. I get frustrated when people rip movies apart and lose the magic of just going to a movie and being in the world. Sure, all movies will have plot holes and stumbles...the question is was the movie fun (or scary or thrilling, etc). ? You somehow manage to celebrate the big picture and also breakdown the details.
I soo agree, this is why I prefer going to movies alone😂
Well said. This is basic media literacy.
I'm saying. Especially with MCU films... she's a tiny woman how did she dp that to that person 3 times her size...it's a movie based on a comic..... that's why they're super heroes.
If I remember rightly, Janet says that Scott and the others had never been that far down in the quantum realm before, which is what I assumed to be the reason why she wasnt as mad about sending Scott down for the healing particles
Just got back from watching Quantumania and it was a great cinematic start to the Kang Dynasty. Very excited for this new channel and to go swimming in the deep end of the content pool!!
You’re so knowledgeable and I think it shines much more in this calmer, longer format. Just not so, for lack of a better word, rushed to condense similar info into 20 mins.
More Erik Voss is exactly what we all need 🤘🏼😊👍🏼
At the end was a SECOND time Kang could've escaped the Quantum Realm. Instead of blasting Scott before he entered the portal, he could've let Scott leave because his sphere was still there holding that portal open.
I think that reinforces Kangs' penchant for anger and revenge. As smart as he is, his thought process falters when he's consumed with revenge.
wow at first i watched this for the info and entertainment value but from the 59min mark to maybe 1:01 (I paused the video) ...gosh dude i was not expecting that. i wasn't ready to feel those emotions. i saw them held back behind your eyes.. Ive been scoping out newrockstars since maybe Logan but this just added to my appreciation of your brand, your channel, and most importantly you,
Mr. Voss. keep doing what you do and ill be here continuing to watch. Much love and thank you for what you do.
with Cassie finding a way back so easily. They said they weren't going to the quantum realm in the beginning . Never said they couldn't. especially with exact signals / coordinates that they must now have
I saw it as Janet not being worried about just going to the quantum realm real quick, for her escape and to get healing particles, but it was the long-running open signal/radio frequency that freaked her out.
Hey Erik! Great breakdown! I think Janet didn't mind Scott entering the quantum realm at first because he didn't go deep enough to get to Kang's level. As we saw in the first and second ant-man film, Scott is getting smaller and smaller and thus continues into the quantum realm. But now she was panicked because Cassie really sent a signal down like an antenna from space. And that kang would catch this signal..
I could listen to Erik talk all day, about marvel, about his wife, about San Fran, anything
I agree whole heartedly with your frustrations about the delay of bringing in Kang! It just felt like the pacing of the film could have been tighter and we could have gotten to his story so much quicker if things were structured differently or cut out all together
My theory, Janet was willing to send Scott down because it was a one device trip that they totally controlled who went down and when they came back. She didn't realize that there could be 2 way communication between dimensions with another device.
Yeahhhh and on top of that the only reason they were able to get pulled down there was because modok happened to be there! I don’t think Janet even knew about him to begin with too even speculate him being alive and in connection with Kang.
I watched the breakdown on NR. But I noticed a great detail during the fight scene with Kang and the resistance. When the fire blasts guy(sorry I forgot his name) Kang reverts his blast into Kang Kinetic energy just like Shang Chi did with his fight with his dad!
You said 31 flavors for Baskin Robbins and this is the 31st Marvel movie.. Nathaniel Richards from the 31st century discovered other multiverses and became Kang. It's uncanny!
What if the reason the embiggened Scott "possibility" started to shred away is because the one trying to grow wasn't 100% Scott (willingly and physically) enough so the science of the suit didn't work and that's what would happen if Scott wasn't strong enough to be Ant-Man?
Was it kinda like the grandfather paradox? When hank rescued Janet the first time she has never heard of or seen Kang. Loki happens, timeline is shattered, all kang variants are then immediately alive like nothing happened, they banish the conqueror, and through the grandfather paradox Janet’s mind updates to say she did encounter the conqueror before she is rescued?
For the record, I exclusively watch marvel movies opening night so I can come here then go watch a second time, us long time fans seek this investigative deep dive
Kang is also the Antagonist of this new phase. So him being on the "A" works in that way as well!
I loved this movie! It was actually amazing! And I love this new channel. I'm watching all the new videos right now! Your my favorite member from the New Rockstars team so this is amazing + longer and deeper videos are always amazing!
Are Shang Chi's rings a shrunk down version of Kang's multiversal engine? They look like they have the same kind of inscriptions and shiny sides.
Hey, great stuff. If Erik or other Deep Divers read this - please be in the habit of turning on whatever setting you can from your side, to enable automated captions on these when they're done. Really would like them on the replays of Breakroom and such. Your deaf, hard-of-hearing and/or folx with focus issues :) would appreciate it. :)
I agree. I can't watch the break room bc too many voices and over talking.
I thought modok was more for Cassie’s story, she literally said her life started when the man in the bee suit almost killed her when she was 6
I think she said her life was never normal, using the example of the man in the nee suit as an example
I love these so much I was first turned onto New rockstars and Erik voss back in 2015-2016 and his breakdowns and this brings me back to those days even tho they were never this long I am so here for it totally missed solo Erik even tho I love all his friends too
I just got backfrom watching it and I enjoyed it, I don’t understand the amount of hate it’s getting.. I’m even more excited to see more kang and even more excited for season two of Loki
Hope in the probability chamber! Clutch! I wanted more Hope appreciation in this vid, haha. She was clutch the whole film. And her relationship with her parents, I wish was more explored in the film
I myself enjoyed the movie! To me it felt more of a Kang origin story than the end of the Ant-Man trilogy which I didn't mind at all. Can't want for the Loki season 2! I think you were spot on on the MODOK character, whatever they were trying to do with him felt very flat. But here is my theory, since Kang has seen it all, all characters, he'd obviously seen MODOK and copied the character to Darren Cross... I hope we still get to see the actual character in our main universe some day...
I hope that every movie of phase five they add one more variant of Kang to the intro letters until by Kang Dynasty the Marvel logo is covered in Kangs.
Awesome Video Erik!!! OMG THIS MOVIE WAS AMAZING!!!!!!
I LOVED IT SOOOOOO MUCH!!!
I've always Been a Huge fan of Ant-Man and This was Definitely not just My Favorite
Ant-Man Movie, But one of My Favorite MCU Movies!!! All The Characters were Great!
Paul Rudd was as Always Fantastic as Ant-Man! Kathryn Newton did a Great job with Cassie And Jonathon Majors was Incredible as Kang!!! Also Those Two Post Credits Scenes were Amazing!!! THIS MOVIE WAS SOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!!!
An invosstigation or deep dive on costume evolution in the mcu or other franchises would be awesome 😁
Also the way Voss describes the work process makes me *more* interested in working with NR. My task-oriented brain is tickled by the daunting nature of such tasks
Great Livestream loved every minute of it!! I cant wait for the rest of your Deep Dives
I enjoyed the show. I saw it later than the live stream but I appreciate your input and observations.
It’s possible that the enlarged Scott unravels because he is not in a permanent state. When he is enlarged it doesn’t last and he loses the ability to stay enlarged, thus that enlarged version ultimately ends. So it’s like when sylvie hides In catastrophic events ultimately that time line ends or unravels.
14:15 what would have been so cool Is if the new rockstars staff had a cameo but in the cameo it would look like they are taking notes of every thing
Erik, I love how you are the Earth's unofficial Marvel continuity director! I wonder how many Marvel Studios interns have to take notes of your commentaries! :) As TM Nerdy says in the chat, you are the GOAT--even though we disagree about "Contact," one of my favorite all-time movies. (Jodie and Matthew have no chemistry throughout the movie because Jodie's character is mainly connected only to her father and her cosmic work--the film's point.)
i like the connection between baskin robins 31 flavors and this being the 31st movie, but i think another more important connection to it being the 31st mcu movie is kang is also from the 31st century
I personally think they opened the portal because of what cassie said about her device. She stated that it was like a two way signal. Send the signal to one place(quantum realm), gather its info, and then it comes back to the SOURCE (which is earth; cassie's subatomic telescope). When MODOK Intercepted the signal, he was able to figure out how to bring them there which is something we don't know how he did obviously, But Janet was able to track it back to its source which allowed her to find earth; specifically Cassie's device. Hence is how the portal opened back to that. Again, Don't know specifically how they did it. But it's the two way signal part for me. Just retracing the signal back to its source; that's how they got out.
Do you think his paranoia you bring up might mimic Tony’s paranoia during the Infinity Saga? Also, loving the new channel! It’s awesome to get a glance at all the hard work that goes in to these breakdown videos and makes me appreciate them even more.
Thats the way I saw it. Scott being the only one who really has an idea of what's coming. Its going to always be on his mind and he will always be worried. Just like stark after going in the wormhole and seeing what was out there.
One of the issues I had with this movie was the "time" continuity error/plot hole (although, maybe it was intentional). His whole relationship with Cassie and Hope in this movie was as if he had only been back for a few days. He didn't know about her suit or her secret quantum studies or her regular arrests (that most recent being for tent cities for the recently unblipped); it very much felt like they were both still feeling each other out. But Scott had enough time to write a book, record an audiobook version, have his suit upgraded and build rapport with the Coffee shop guy. Skipping the fact that Cassie went from a small child to a nearly-adult woman with a combat suit and some amount of "superhero training", this move is really hard to follow chronologically.
Yeah, that moment when Hank made his grand entrance at the end with his #CommunityOfAnts (Army isn't the right word) was SO COOL! 🐜
I really missed Michael Pina! Hopefully he can be better utilized. Maybe mix his character with Darci . They only have one degree of separation after WandaVision. It would be fun to see Kat Dennings and Michael Pina in something.
i love this stream.. although wasn’t able to watch it live
also, I personally liked the side topics like San Francisco and Theaters, etc. Erik is really entertaining to watch and listen to regardless of what the heck he’s talking about 😂
The thing that happened when Janet fought kang Janet’s suit’ helmet came up automatically but during that suits period You can’t it should’ve been able to do that because it shows with her first Ant-man suit with Scott had to take individual parts off, but it’s still not all the way off, but Janet helmet went automatically on.
The one plot hole I am stuck on is why Janet is old and grey when she comes back, when Scott said 5 years was 5 hours, so shouldn't Janet only be 30 hours older.
Scott was stuck in a time vortex, Janet was not.
I love the possibility part you spoke of. Like what if Kang can only be defeated if every single avenger went through a probability storm to defeat him since he defeated avengers countless times before but because only he could have variants. But what if every avenger has a No Way Home Spider-Man moment and overpower kang. I’d love to see that play out honestly.
Eric this is literally great!!
erik’s personality and just way of thinking make him perfect for these type of livestreams
Erik saying I think I need to go back to church made me think of quill saying I'm going to get a bowflex.
I love this! Please keep it coming
13:14 I think the end when Scott is doing the welcome back montage again can be a hint at when we was told the longer he was in the power source the more his mind will break. So maybe he is going through a mini psychosis at the end that’s why his thought become heavy
Erik! Talk about the fight between Xolom and Kang! Blue v Gold/Yellow
28:34 hopes parents didn't abandon her. They had to save the world. Hank was always there just distant. Janet saved the world and was sucked in the quantum realm..but her parents never maliciously abandoned her. In some way shape or form they were always there. Hank was always there.
How do you get the complete movie if it’s in theaters? Always wondered that. Love your videos!
This is what I’m wondering!! How is this not copyright infringement or anything?? Lol😂
Thank you Mr. Voss… don’t get me wrong I love most of your co host on new rockstars but you are my favorite.
My daughter and I visited San Francisco. We crossed the Golden Gate Bridge listening to the Full House intro song. We also watched the entire Ant Man trilogy together. Greatest father/daughter Super Hero franchise.
The only problem I had with M.O.D.O.K. was the redemption. Especially since Darren Cross turned a man to goo and flushed him down a toilet. You can't redeem that.
"Promo footage" 🤣 that's the same quality I found the movie online
I think when they pushed kang into the multiverse engine he is going to fuse with it somehow or be able to harness it somehow which will now give him the power somewhat like the space stone he can jump to any multiverse at a moment. I think this is what is going to make him more dangerous than all the rest
Why does Kang's instant disintegration beam kill everyone except for Scott and Hope?
Great Live stream Breakdown Erik
Congratulations Erik your new channel is absolutely amazing!!
My favorite part was chilling in the parking lot after the movie and picking out the Easter eggs
I genuinely whisper shouted “Is that Ryan Bergara?” as soon as I saw him in the theater… love his shoutout here!
I saw it today, 12:30pm at a Dolby Cinema, Sugar Land Texas. I want to see it again in IMAX.
Also talking about the significance of rings and how Kang controlled the earth 616 timeline, it’s interesting that the key to the avengers going back in time in Endgame was by going through a giant ring
Seeing ryan bergara in the beginning made me squeal lol
anyone else notice kang essentially does the same move to defeat the xolum, that shang chi did to defeat his father?
Gotta say I really enjoyed this movie and I thought it knocked it out of the park.
The critical reception just doesn't make any sense
Like I can understand if someone puts it as like a 6/10 or a 5, there are a lot of things some people wouldn't like
Personally it's an 84/100 for me ngl
It looked so pretty and had such cool ideas
“I gotta go back to church” 😂
I feel like Scott got returned to a different universe because he had to pay for the coffee now
I think that was meant to be a joke. Scott wasn’t charged when the coffee shop guy thought Scott was Spider-man but was charged when the guy realized Scott was the “other” insect Super-hero. No respect for Ant-man.
Thanks for this in-depth look. I'm amazed at how much was actually in the trailers, and how you picked it all out and sequenced it. Impressive...most impressive.
I got the vibe that this Kang was a much much younger version of He Who Remains. The image of the sacred timeline and the idea of pruning that you also mentioned are all here, just in an earlier version. HWR says that one Kang defeated all the others, and that fear seems to be why the rest of them exiled him, but clearly at some point he escaped and founded the TVA. It's even possible that this "loss" is what brought Kang to create the TVA in the first place, after he viewed all the possibilities and came up with the idea of making his workforce out of all kinds of variants. Maybe it's easier to move them through personal portals rather than have a whole army-sized one. Also clipping the whole timeline is easier than war.
I just re-read Avengers Forever as well, and highly recommend it to anyone who likes Kang. It's a definitive story that explains so much and also resets the dynamic, particularly between him and Immortus.
Well done!
Didn’t get to hear live but I love this. Can’t wait for more content.
You had me at In-Voss-tigation
There are three BRs in close proximity to SF: one in Daly City, one by the airport, and one in Richmond
Modok seeking revenge on Scott arguably personalizes the story. Otherwise, the major villain's focus and ire is directed solely on Janet -- and she would prove the primary catalyst. I think the issue with Modok is probably one of execution. He's used for comic relief.
I def think I saw the rock formation that He Who Remains uses for his citadel. It was in the Quantum Realm before Hope, Janet, and Hank run into those travelers and catch a ride. Only shown for a split second.
The Super Bowl Heineken commercial makes more sense now
"Drink the Ooze" reminded me of the similar thing in John Carter (of Mars) - drank some white slop to understand their language
Moved to San Francisco a year ago
Now his hometown.
I love to learn and I never paid attention to the way Tony spoke and now you bring it up it sticks out in my mind
I really hope that they introduce Iron Lad in the post credits scene of Loki season 2, and then officially announce Young Avengers after that
KANG WASN'T BAD. Every time-line has a universe. Each universe has a kang and when there is a change in time towards a universe it creates variant time-lines within a universe. Kang is a time keeper and he must fix his time-line by challenging and winning against other kangs in his original time-line. He is the only one who cares about this job. The other originals just want to be GOD even over the variant Kangs within there universe.
Are we sure Cassie created the portal in a few minutes? It was a few minutes for Scott and Hope but time works differently there as we found out from Endgame. No, it wasn't years but it could have been weeks or months? I know that's still fast but with Hank and Janet helping, it's not impossible. Just a thought.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING VULNERABLE AND AUTHENTIC. I NEEDED THAT ERIK!
The "DRINK THE OOOZE". They were definitely chanting "BUKAKE". 🤣🤣🤣
I love the background colors!🔥💯🔮🕛🕧🕐🕜🕑TIME
I compare the post credit scenes to the ones from the first Avengers movie when we see Thanos get the glove!
Mentioning the Team Rocket line, now has a picture of a whole bunch of different Kang with 'Gotta Catch Em All' going through my head.... Thanks for that 🤣
I have to say, I was missing Erik on the main NR channel, but I love the deep dives he does on this new channel. It’s a great fit. He knows so much and picks up so much of the little details that these videos are really must-watch to really get into the weeds of the interconnected MCU. Thanks for the hard work! Keep it up!
I love how much love you’re showing the bay bridge. I’m originally from the east bay and we always took the bay bridge to get to Frisco.
Or if you dont want to think too much, sending scott the person, into a specific uninhabited space in the quantum realm, is much more controlled and safer than cassie attempting to send signals out to anywhere where kangs tech can potentially pick it up. Scott where hes not deep enough to reach kang isn't as comprimising as sending a distress signal. But i do like the idea of loki breaking the multiverse changing history
This was genuinely one of my favorite NR videos to watch, loved the interactive parts
I come to new rockstars because of all the work everyone puts into each video. Its not just a million other channels saying the same thing and getting every detail wrong.
The reason people didn't get hyped for how big antman became is there was no scale of reference. Could have been the same size for endgame without trying to look deeper
Love this new channel!! 🫶🏼🫶🏼
I LOVE that Hank refers to the ants having a Level 2 society. He's a scientist. He'd use the correct terms, not the bullshit "first world" or "undeveloped country" labels!