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"Right, so everything in this millenium is fucked. What even is the date?" "I believe that would be heresy, my lord" "Excuse you?" "The subject of the current imperial date is heresy. The respective ordo chronos is having an entire civil war over it" "The fucking WHAT!!?"
Rob Gorillaman: "... Fuck this "Inquisition"! How and why does it even exist?!!!" Golden Tampon: "I believe that's also heresy, my lord." Rob Gorillaman: ".....................................??" *twitch* Golden Tampon: "The Ordo Originatus and the Ordo Redactus are currently trying to..." Rob Gorillaman: *HAS A STROKE*
Hypothetical: It isn't 2 Order Chronos, but rather 2 wings of it. One wing was returned to the timeline to keep up with records and to correct the negative effects of them being gone in the day to day and removes all confusion of them disappearing, which likely was a problem they confronted. The other corrects issues from a more severe scale, but with precise points in the timeline.
There's multiple factions, but primarily two. The first is the one established to "help" the Imperium, the other, after realizing there is a necessary path existence must follow to avoid temporal paradoxes, holds to a more subtle approach.
@@309freddie It might even be that one side doesn't like the other anymore BECAUSE of said paradoxes. Kind of like their version of the typical Inquisitorial morality scale.
IIRC there was a loyalist Imperial Knights House that was suddenly attacked by Space Marines accusing them of being traitors. They fled into the Warp, turned to Chaos, then returned to real space looking for revenge. A temporal anomaly meant they reappeared before they had been attacked, and their ‘revenge’ was what triggered the Space Marine’s attack in the first place!
@@T57Custodian Irrelevant. While SOMETHING must have caused the Knights to turn traitor and enter the Warp, it no longer happened. It’s been erased, replaced with a self-sustaining loop that doesn’t need those original events
@@mediumsurmoon6283 Now call me paranoid but I have my suspicions that the holy and auspicious Ordo Nlyfans may have been infiltrated and corrupted by agents of she who thirsts
@annfranknthatic Luetin did fairly comprehensive one, and MajorKill did a speed run version. There are few other people have done them as well. More perspectives are good though.
My theory: Malcador after leaving the throne reincarnated in the late 1950's and knowing what the future holds formed an organization called GW where he play tests his future plans to hopefully prevent the future there is now. This ordo is serving to update malcador with the changes in the future based on his playtesting in the present. This is bat shit but find it fun.
Wait even Guilliman didn't ask where the hell they've been? If that's the case then the only people who probably know that they even still exist are probably chaos factions and maybe Bellisarius Cawl. Which doesn't even say anything about the Necrons. They probably observe everything. In fact I'm pretty sure one of their tomb lords can actually travel through time and I think he's like the arch nemesis of Trazyn the Infinite. But Trazyn is so smart and crafty that he reacts and ruins the other guy's time traveling plans before they can do anything.
Necrons are aware enough to not adjust the timeline to serve their own personal needs. To do so is to invite self-annilation. Moving things in time is like transfering a spiderwab without destroying it.
@@309freddie Yea considering the Necrons are effectively immortal they need to plan a fair bit forward, IMO its also the reason that that they are VERY hesitant to use the Celestial Orrery.
Hey Wes, I just wanted to say thanks so much for making the videos! I used to paint and play 40k with my dad back when I was 10. I haven’t touched the figures or any books in over 10 years. I just randomly stumbled on one of your videos, and I have been bingeing them ever since. Thank you for bringing me back to the fandom!
That is a good way to ensure that the branding does not break.... "No sire, it turned out its not the 41k now, it was 800 years earlier than we thought!" - It will stay stay 40k forever!" ....
I already know there have been time travel shenanigans in Warhammer 40K. I remember a Dark age tech ship arriving to the 40th millennium. That was hilarious when the ship AI berated the Tech preists trying to appease her with oils and dances. Ther was also another occasion when a team of Sisters of battle that found a time displaced ship that was both brand new and millions of years old and it had a flesh pit of psykers and a future version of one of the SOB's present on the ship trying to warn of a future calamity by talking through the psykers, but the past SOB burned the flesh pit before the message could be relayed. And then later it was changed to Sister of silence doing the same thing. And then it flipped again. I think the Ordo Chronos is changing things over and over.
I'm pretty sure the SoB psychic fleshball was from the Daemonifuge comic line that details the backstory of Ephreal Stern and how she got hectic anti-Chaos psychic powers. The fleshball sacrificed itself and transferred its collective psychic powers and soul energy to Stern. The one that was made from Silent Sisters was during the Heresy, where the fleshball manipulated events to warn a squad of Silent Sisters sent to investigate it about the future danger of the Horus Heresy. Realizing that the fleshball was talking with the voice of one of her subordinates, the Sister captain executed the subordinate in question and this retconned the fleshball from existing.
@@fadelsukoco3092 No no, it wasnt the Demonifuge, i read this in an actual novel not a comic. And that whole thing with the sisters silence, it was SOB's first and then it was changed to Sisters of silence. The retconn was retconned! XD
@@antcow1239 Then they were still different events that had to have happened in different books, since the example with the Silent Sisters is before the Heresy and the Sororitas didn't exist until the Age of Apostasy.
I love all the Inquisition's more esoteric Ordos, they truly do not get enough of the spotlight. Stoked to hear you're gonna cover the Legion of the Damned, can't wait!!
The "Chronostrife" is just clerks not knowing how to interpret confusing, heavily redacted mission reports: Inquisitor 1: Planet Helios IV destroyed by asteroid impact, year 634 m34. Inquisitor 2: Asteroid destroyed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Ork invasion, year 845 m34. Inquisitor 3: Invasion repulsed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Exterminatus, year 298 M35. Clerk 1: "What are they doing?" Clerk 2: "Arguing about history, I guess. What a bunch of idiots. Helios IV was never destroyed, I was born there!"
Chronostrife happened because in humanity's ancient past the Unified Realm of Merica never learned to use the 24 hour clock. Over 38,000 years the error introduced by occasionally forgetting to wind their watches means there's now a 2,000 year uncertainty in the actual date.
Given the extra-temporal nature of Ordo Chronos, it's possible the ones who were directing the Legion of Damned were the Ordo in the future. Thus the past Ordo were investigating themselves.
My Ordo Chronos Inquisitor was written to be like that one dwemmer who got left out of the Numidium. Just walking out of the bathroom like Tom from MySpace and being like “where did everybody go?” Edit: PLEASE don’t let the LOTD be the Firehawks! I cannot begin to convey my sheer hatred for that pack of unworthy flailing man-babies and I don’t think my heart could take it
A mystery of hundreds of years - of course the warp can play havoc with time and sometimes ships show up hundreds of years after they were scheduled. OOO - Not an accident? Oh I love your shows as you always bring up the things we often miss or hadn't realized might be important. I remember that story where the the ship was victim because of what the inquisitor brought aboard. The Ship officer and the man imprisoned on the way to face trial. You narrated that story for us last year. It was great!
I love luetin's video essay format for when I want in depth deep dives. I love Wes for small 20 min videos to update my missing lore. That being said if Wes does make hour long video essays I'll listen :)
It’s been a while since I’ve felt genuine oooo and aaaaa about 40K. I’ve been in it so long the grimdark isn’t as captivating as it used to be for me. But stories like these remind me just how deep this universe is and you did a great job bringing it to life! Ave Imperator!
Love all the work and passion. Long time sub. Hope in the future you produce retelling of all the books, spoilers and all. Love how you add personal insight, details, and humor to your stories. Huge undertaking, i know, but you deserve a huge team and support. Here for 3 hour videos. Continue the amazing work, and I can't wait for the next upload.
I think for fun Trazyn Invites Guilliman over to watch Real life alien isolation with trazyn tyranids Trying to eat Guilliman Inquisitors That he Really doesn't like Inquisitors:RUN!!!!!!!!!! tyranid: AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! TrazynandGuilliman:HAHAHAHAHAHA
This is easily one of the most intriguing warhammer mysteries I have ever watched ! Great job on putting all of this together and re-telling it in a very engaging way !
Thank you Sir! I feel like this presentation goes from the level of sharing lore in a high quality way to finding/creating lore that is beyond a well crafted fan theory. Impressive work.
The effort and passion you pour into your videos never ceases to amaze me. I love watching your videos, and they are just the absolute perfect thing to immerse myself into before bed. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I eagerly look forward to your next video
it’s funny you made this video now because a few days ago I went back and watched all of your warhammer horror vids and my favorite was the Pharisene paradox story, kinda seems like perfect timing. Anyway I love your videos keep up the great work man 👍
Don't forget Grey Knights to handle Chaos elements, Adeptus Mechanicus to keep the equipment running and Some Ulthwe for guidance. Lots of armies to collect.😊
This reminds me of a 40k fanfiction anthology where one of its chapters is called Time War. I think it literally involved this faction of the Inquisition basically getting involved in an eternal time war that has happened in the past, it is currently happening and is going to happen in the future all at the same time because time travel is a bitch. They're also warring with other factions from other timelines because any fucking around with the timeline will kill their timeline and they don't want their timeline to be killed and the reason they're 40k versus as fucked up as it is is because people have changed the past so many times that it made the future worse until it is the nightmare reality that we know and love today.
Hear me out! What if present Ordo chronos fights over dates and calendars just in order to make it easier for the time traveling Ordo Chronos to arrive at the right date and year?
Perhaps the other Inquisitors and the High Lords believe they held too much power that they wiped them out of existence... Because they almost CONTROLS TIME...
Great content. Thia channel is a lovely distraction and having listened to both of the mentioned horror story breakdown videos this greater context video was really interesting.
Yessss! My favorite Ordo of the Inquisition! I STG I used them in every single one of my Dark Heresy 2nd Ed games I ran (not as the playable faction but they were always in the background somehow linked but not quite)
My headcanon is that they did disappear, did alot of time related stuff, probably jumping through time and doing some experiments, confirming certain events doing whatever they are doing , etc and then returning to the exact point they left or maybe a bit later. That could be the reason why no one acknowledged or even knew they dissapeared. all these time travel shenanigans is making Orikan looks like your local fortune teller. I think the dude could only travel back a few days or weeks at a time, and all his predictions are based on calculations. He is basically a walking Laplace's Demon.
I loved your Perdition's flame video. I was really exasperated with that inquisitor. She can't accept that the ship and its people were truly overrun, that they'd done everything they could to "do their jobs" as she put it so angrily. Her forces were bested in an honest fight with a ton of angry pox walkers. The last survivors on that ship are not to blame.
It's a good parable on the dangers of becoming too focused on the inquisition immediate goal and not thinking of the impact that goal could have to the established timeline.
Oh snap, are we getting a Fire Hawks video next?! You always talk about the most interesting, spooky stuff from the setting and I much prefer that over the battle reports.
28:59 could be a Coincidence as multiple warp wacky situations as unless Big E is sending dead legionaries to help out it could be that both could be separate loyal warriors going through time or that Big E is making ghost Asartes and the Fire hawks help out with them at times or are United as you’d have to explain the ultramarine
I think the ordo cronos messing with time makes perfect sense. plus it would be the perfect in canon explanation of all the random retconning games workshop liked to do with the canon and factions
It would be funny if Guilliman ordered the calenders fixed. That a few scribes decided to just call themselves ordos chronos. Because they thought it sounded cool, and have no idea what they are calling themselves
This gave me an idea for a Wrath and Glory campaign that largely starts like perdition's flame, but i want the party to be successful, then have them learn to time travel to different events in the imperium to change or ensure the outcome.
It can even justify intentionally losing batttles in order to reduce the enemy to a certain strength before their next battle. Not every loss is a loss, but a win for a different reason.
Perhaps the two groups of the Ordo Chronus that are openly disputing the time line are actually two factions trying to impose what they belive to be the best timeline to follow. And the dispute is due to the fact that each factions change to the tineline is causing displacement to their intended schedule. So they're constantly fighting to establish what changed in their timeline and what they need to do to get back on track. Btw I love your videos, this was a great watch
I could imagine this being some sort of Madella effect. When they disappeared and covered their tracks it might not be noticed because from that point it's like they never existed, so nobody doesn't remember. And nobody notices them coming back because when they return it's like they always existed, like they were never gone.
He's probably just stumbled through accidentally saving the day and was made an honorary member post hoc to stop some sort of paradox that would be caused by removing him from the timeline. :)
@WesHammer Your list of lore is missing the Inquisitor: Prophecy/Martyr games, which revolve around a Ship-Sanctuary and do involve a few things of Ordo Chronos - among them, the ship monastary "Martyr".
The fun thing about time traveling organizations is that BOTH of your Ordo Chronoses could be the very same one. They just haven't uncovered the secret of time travel YET, but will have done so in their past/40k's far future. They were ripped out of time at their meeting (probably by the Legion Of The Damned both as punishment and as the Legion saw it as neccessary), dropped into the future, learned how to time travel and then went back and established the more mundane Ordo Chronos the Imperium knows today.
36:21 The hollow sun bit is interesting as its a necron tomb world inside a stars core and one of its cryptek cronomancer rahkoz is really good at manipulating time and the hollow sun is located in jerichos reach and something or someone is messing with rahkozs time manipulation so that might be related to this.
Seriously Wes. Keep up the awesome damn work man. You are my go to for warhammer 40k lore now a days and your content just keeps getting better and better. I was following you when it was just short skits on tik tok. Here we are now. Badass. 🤘😤🤘
There's the possibility that noone has considered them missing because they have constantly popped out in the midst of problems between their supposed disappearence and their return, making it seem like they were still there and doing thier job, just less frequently because of the Fall of Calender-ia
The inquisitor saying "watch the nebular till i get back" sounds a lot like the famous line from Oates during an Antarctic exploration "I'm just going out for a walk, I may be some time" when really he knew he wouldnt come back.
alright Ordo Vigilus is now my favorite thing about 40k, it’s peak that there’s an ordo we know nothing about, and another one who exists only to check on them
WHAT IF THAT DAY THE WHOLE OF ORDO CHRONOS CAME TOGETHER COUSE A MEMBER OF THE LEGION OF THE DAMMED SHOWED ITSELF AND HAD A MESSAGE FOR THE ENTIRE ORDO COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE EMPREOR
I have the theory that the Legion of the Damned is one of the two missing legions. As I remember, Horus stated his disgust at what the Emperor did to one of the two legions.
I suspect one earned their gate, while the other went into a sevice that required secrecy aka Ordos Chronos. Side note: England has always had a Dragoons army (King and Queen), why no Emperor's Dragoons? Perhaps they're the militant force supporting the Emperor's wishes in the Ordos Chronos?
If the Ordo Chronos knew what they were doing they would have went back in time and eliminated Erebus when he was a kid still and work from there, saving Angron and his slave brethren, that sort of deal. Would require only a few of them to stop the heresy from ever happening. I think the reason why they haven't done this is because they DID try it and the result was worse than the current continuity is. No matter how crappy the Imperium currently is in m42, no matter how besieged it is, there are two major things that might give a clue why this timeline is preferable: the major Xenos races were not wiped out, they are still around, several even teams up with humanity from time to time so their knowledge and methods survive with them, the other major thing is the Imperium has been fighting a never ending war against everyone and everything, including itself for 10000 years. Even with technological regression and stagnation, the Imperium is incredibly strong due to that fighting experience. I think the major calamity that is the reason for them not stopping the Heresy is the surviving C'tan.
The complexities of changing space-time are huge. The Eldar are good at keeping this in mind. Eliminating a significant character can result in a lot of negative consequences. Some of which may be counter to the Emperor's wishes.
@@309freddie Well, we do talk about Inquisitors, for all we know they may have CAUSED the Heresy to take place as it did, like one of their dudes went back and fathered the psychopath who becomes Erebus or something to that effect. They already changed the timeline countless times, they are VERY familiar with the timeline down to the second. How could they say what you are about to say back at you otherwise? They are constantly pushing the rewind button every single time they screw up, who knows, some if not all of them might actually have a way to cheat death too with their timey-whiney stuff. In contrast with the Eldar and most other Inquisitors these boys and girls actually know what they are doing. I find that both refreshing and funny.
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the dead cabal is the legion of the damned?
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well constructed video, keep it up man
Wow, that's one insincere promo.
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"Right, so everything in this millenium is fucked. What even is the date?"
"I believe that would be heresy, my lord"
"Excuse you?"
"The subject of the current imperial date is heresy. The respective ordo chronos is having an entire civil war over it"
"The fucking WHAT!!?"
Rob Gorillaman: "... Fuck this "Inquisition"! How and why does it even exist?!!!"
Golden Tampon: "I believe that's also heresy, my lord."
Rob Gorillaman: ".....................................??" *twitch*
Golden Tampon: "The Ordo Originatus and the Ordo Redactus are currently trying to..."
Rob Gorillaman: *HAS A STROKE*
@@rampage75_25 Brwahahahahahahahahaha...he would, right after lighting his 50th lohstick and eating his 100h bow of desk cereal...
@@Vicarious_Heart😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Vicarious_HeartHerecy HERECY EVERYWHERE!
**Exterminatus button awaiting…..**
YOOOOOOOOOOO, i have wanted an Ordo Chronos coverage video for YEARS.
Wes, you are the best.
Hypothetical: It isn't 2 Order Chronos, but rather 2 wings of it.
One wing was returned to the timeline to keep up with records and to correct the negative effects of them being gone in the day to day and removes all confusion of them disappearing, which likely was a problem they confronted.
The other corrects issues from a more severe scale, but with precise points in the timeline.
man, I could Imagine Kyros Fateweaver, the Lord of Change be their eternal enemies kinda like Blood Angels with Ka'Bandha
There's multiple factions, but primarily two. The first is the one established to "help" the Imperium, the other, after realizing there is a necessary path existence must follow to avoid temporal paradoxes, holds to a more subtle approach.
@@309freddie It might even be that one side doesn't like the other anymore BECAUSE of said paradoxes. Kind of like their version of the typical Inquisitorial morality scale.
@@derkaiserzenI just imagine Kyros losing his mind (even more) seeing ordo chronos pop in and out of his memory/future sight at random
@@ReesesCup7979 I love the thought of that!
"What's the scaariest thing in Warhammer 40k?"
"The Inquisition has timetravel."
"The Inquisition has time travel and they STILL haven't wiped out the Tyranids"
Majority Report?
No one can stop high inquisitor Nelson Mandela
@@YakubTheFather and few understand the effect he has.
The only thing worse would be mkoll with time travel
IIRC there was a loyalist Imperial Knights House that was suddenly attacked by Space Marines accusing them of being traitors. They fled into the Warp, turned to Chaos, then returned to real space looking for revenge. A temporal anomaly meant they reappeared before they had been attacked, and their ‘revenge’ was what triggered the Space Marine’s attack in the first place!
Beautiful idea!
The bootstrap paradox.
Who cause the relataliaton first?
@@T57Custodian Irrelevant. While SOMETHING must have caused the Knights to turn traitor and enter the Warp, it no longer happened. It’s been erased, replaced with a self-sustaining loop that doesn’t need those original events
Robert Grillerman: "I wonder what's for dinner"
"That is heresy my lord"
"Wh-"
"The Ordo Culinarium has established that..."
" *Dies again* "
I swear to the emperor.... Is there actually an Ordo Culinarium? It'd be hilarious
Ordo Nlyfans
@@mediumsurmoon6283 Now call me paranoid but I have my suspicions that the holy and auspicious Ordo Nlyfans may have been infiltrated and corrupted by agents of she who thirsts
@@thetobi583 But who would be in charge of the taste testers???
@@michaelarreola4201 oh, this could be a topic for WesHammer to get into 😆
Wes is going absolutely insane and I'm so here for it, dig deeper Wes. DIG. DEEPER.
No diddy
My man id love to see you do a deep dive on the legion of the damned.
i second this
Thirded
dint he make one? or am i thinking of another long form wh40k youtuber
You may be thinking of Luetin09. He did one on them.
@annfranknthatic Luetin did fairly comprehensive one, and MajorKill did a speed run version. There are few other people have done them as well. More perspectives are good though.
My theory: Malcador after leaving the throne reincarnated in the late 1950's and knowing what the future holds formed an organization called GW where he play tests his future plans to hopefully prevent the future there is now. This ordo is serving to update malcador with the changes in the future based on his playtesting in the present. This is bat shit but find it fun.
Now as much as stupid and funny this is. It is also quite fascinating as well for this theory
@@Pixel22-fs3tt glad you enjoy it. My theory is the last book GW ever writes will reveal malcador and/or the Emperor run GW.
This is wild
@maniacalskipper I dig it. That's my official head Canon now. Thanks mate!
Honestly I don't play Warhammer, nor do I have any desire to, but the lore is incredible and I LOVE hearing you talk about it
Just play, do it
@@andrewcrane5105 not into games that make me think too much. don't like keeping track of stats
Read the books. They're great :) There's many ways to interact with the hobby.
Wait even Guilliman didn't ask where the hell they've been? If that's the case then the only people who probably know that they even still exist are probably chaos factions and maybe Bellisarius Cawl.
Which doesn't even say anything about the Necrons. They probably observe everything. In fact I'm pretty sure one of their tomb lords can actually travel through time and I think he's like the arch nemesis of Trazyn the Infinite. But Trazyn is so smart and crafty that he reacts and ruins the other guy's time traveling plans before they can do anything.
Cawls about to shit in ordo chronos’ cheerios
His name is Orikan The Diviner. He's a very powerful Chronomancer Necron Overlord.
Necrons are aware enough to not adjust the timeline to serve their own personal needs. To do so is to invite self-annilation. Moving things in time is like transfering a spiderwab without destroying it.
@@309freddie Yea considering the Necrons are effectively immortal they need to plan a fair bit forward, IMO its also the reason that that they are VERY hesitant to use the Celestial Orrery.
Hey Wes,
I just wanted to say thanks so much for making the videos! I used to paint and play 40k with my dad back when I was 10. I haven’t touched the figures or any books in over 10 years. I just randomly stumbled on one of your videos, and I have been bingeing them ever since. Thank you for bringing me back to the fandom!
One of my most favorite groups.
Anyone who can write themselves out of existence, entirely, gets my attention.
That is a good way to ensure that the branding does not break.... "No sire, it turned out its not the 41k now, it was 800 years earlier than we thought!" - It will stay stay 40k forever!" ....
forever 21- you must cease & desist. LIKE RIGHT TOTALLY NOW!
Think they are allowed to round down to 40k at least till we reach the next game iteration Warhammer 50k.
I already know there have been time travel shenanigans in Warhammer 40K.
I remember a Dark age tech ship arriving to the 40th millennium. That was hilarious when the ship AI berated the Tech preists trying to appease her with oils and dances.
Ther was also another occasion when a team of Sisters of battle that found a time displaced ship that was both brand new and millions of years old and it had a flesh pit of psykers and a future version of one of the SOB's present on the ship trying to warn of a future calamity by talking through the psykers, but the past SOB burned the flesh pit before the message could be relayed.
And then later it was changed to Sister of silence doing the same thing.
And then it flipped again.
I think the Ordo Chronos is changing things over and over.
I'm pretty sure the SoB psychic fleshball was from the Daemonifuge comic line that details the backstory of Ephreal Stern and how she got hectic anti-Chaos psychic powers. The fleshball sacrificed itself and transferred its collective psychic powers and soul energy to Stern.
The one that was made from Silent Sisters was during the Heresy, where the fleshball manipulated events to warn a squad of Silent Sisters sent to investigate it about the future danger of the Horus Heresy. Realizing that the fleshball was talking with the voice of one of her subordinates, the Sister captain executed the subordinate in question and this retconned the fleshball from existing.
@@fadelsukoco3092 No no, it wasnt the Demonifuge, i read this in an actual novel not a comic.
And that whole thing with the sisters silence, it was SOB's first and then it was changed to Sisters of silence.
The retconn was retconned! XD
@@antcow1239 Then they were still different events that had to have happened in different books, since the example with the Silent Sisters is before the Heresy and the Sororitas didn't exist until the Age of Apostasy.
@@fadelsukoco3092 Maybe, all i was saying is it happened both ways
I would love a long form video on the Legion of the Damned. Such an interesting, out of place concept that has been under-explored.
I've wanted a video explaining this often overlooked faction for a long time. I'm glad someone finally addressed it.
Ordo Chronos has that hard-coded plausible deniability: "How can we be culpable if it never happened? If we never existed?"
"The greatest trick the Ordo Chronos ever pulled was convincing the galaxy they didn't exist."
I love all the Inquisition's more esoteric Ordos, they truly do not get enough of the spotlight. Stoked to hear you're gonna cover the Legion of the Damned, can't wait!!
The "Chronostrife" is just clerks not knowing how to interpret confusing, heavily redacted mission reports:
Inquisitor 1: Planet Helios IV destroyed by asteroid impact, year 634 m34.
Inquisitor 2: Asteroid destroyed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Ork invasion, year 845 m34.
Inquisitor 3: Invasion repulsed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Exterminatus, year 298 M35.
Clerk 1: "What are they doing?"
Clerk 2: "Arguing about history, I guess. What a bunch of idiots. Helios IV was never destroyed, I was born there!"
Chronostrife happened because in humanity's ancient past the Unified Realm of Merica never learned to use the 24 hour clock. Over 38,000 years the error introduced by occasionally forgetting to wind their watches means there's now a 2,000 year uncertainty in the actual date.
@@MattyRlufc I blame that damned chaos ritual of "daylight savings time"
@@handsomeman-child8751 I did wonder why we had to sacrifice the firstborn just to change the clocks 🤔
I first learned about the Ordo Chronos from your video on the Pharisene Paradox. Their stories really bring out that temporal horror to 40k.
Given the extra-temporal nature of Ordo Chronos, it's possible the ones who were directing the Legion of Damned were the Ordo in the future. Thus the past Ordo were investigating themselves.
Absolutely!
That would be very much an Inqusition thing to do😅
@@Hurricayne92 My best Dark Heresey RPG campaign turned out to be secret war between a Purtian and a Radical Inquisitiors.
My Ordo Chronos Inquisitor was written to be like that one dwemmer who got left out of the Numidium. Just walking out of the bathroom like Tom from MySpace and being like “where did everybody go?”
Edit: PLEASE don’t let the LOTD be the Firehawks! I cannot begin to convey my sheer hatred for that pack of unworthy flailing man-babies and I don’t think my heart could take it
I certainly hope not. Time travel ruins writing no matter what the circumstances
@@endersgameover this is just not true, as much as it hard to do time travel right it is possible
32:00 the birth of FoilHammer
The ordo Folius: the only inquisition cell on the real world
A mystery of hundreds of years - of course the warp can play havoc with time and sometimes ships show up hundreds of years after they were scheduled. OOO - Not an accident? Oh I love your shows as you always bring up the things we often miss or hadn't realized might be important. I remember that story where the the ship was victim because of what the inquisitor brought aboard. The Ship officer and the man imprisoned on the way to face trial. You narrated that story for us last year. It was great!
Most enjoyable loretuber hands down. Positive, fun, and informative.
I love luetin's video essay format for when I want in depth deep dives. I love Wes for small 20 min videos to update my missing lore. That being said if Wes does make hour long video essays I'll listen :)
@@noahhenry6584Luetin for the sleep, Wes for quick lore catchups
Exactly at 32min I started cackling at the foil. Made me think he was going to throw the line, "but that's just a theory, A Warhammer Theory!".
It’s been a while since I’ve felt genuine oooo and aaaaa about 40K. I’ve been in it so long the grimdark isn’t as captivating as it used to be for me. But stories like these remind me just how deep this universe is and you did a great job bringing it to life! Ave Imperator!
Inquisitor Lord Emmett Brown: "Great Scott!"
Imagine trying to keep to appointment time in 40K
True , if the warp travel is involved you can both arrive hundreds of years too late or possibly before you made the appointment
All these bots in the comments, CZcams needs to sort their shit out
There’s gotta be a bot reporting option lol
@@Voxcast07nah that's too smart for their style.
@@Voxcast07there’s the option to report spam. I suppose that could be it
Fr, there needs to be an… inquisition
I sadly doubt CZcams will do anything till it affects them negatively. As bots are basically just very active users in CZcams’s eyes
Love all the work and passion. Long time sub. Hope in the future you produce retelling of all the books, spoilers and all. Love how you add personal insight, details, and humor to your stories. Huge undertaking, i know, but you deserve a huge team and support. Here for 3 hour videos. Continue the amazing work, and I can't wait for the next upload.
I think for fun Trazyn Invites Guilliman over to watch Real life alien isolation with trazyn tyranids Trying to eat Guilliman Inquisitors That he Really doesn't like
Inquisitors:RUN!!!!!!!!!!
tyranid: AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
TrazynandGuilliman:HAHAHAHAHAHA
this show needs to exist
This is easily one of the most intriguing warhammer mysteries I have ever watched ! Great job on putting all of this together and re-telling it in a very engaging way !
Thank you Sir! I feel like this presentation goes from the level of sharing lore in a high quality way to finding/creating lore that is beyond a well crafted fan theory. Impressive work.
The effort and passion you pour into your videos never ceases to amaze me.
I love watching your videos, and they are just the absolute perfect thing to immerse myself into before bed.
Thank you for all of your hard work, and I eagerly look forward to your next video
it’s funny you made this video now because a few days ago I went back and watched all of your warhammer horror vids and my favorite was the Pharisene paradox story, kinda seems like perfect timing. Anyway I love your videos keep up the great work man 👍
I want you to make a part two for when the emperors children "saved" that imperium world from genestealers.
I would also like that!
Love you Wes! Keep up the great work favorite warhammer channel thanks for being with us through all this time :) big hugs and best regards
Definitely might need to make an inquisitorial list with some legion of the damned death watch space Marines after this video
Don't forget Grey Knights to handle Chaos elements, Adeptus Mechanicus to keep the equipment running and Some Ulthwe for guidance. Lots of armies to collect.😊
This reminds me of a 40k fanfiction anthology where one of its chapters is called Time War. I think it literally involved this faction of the Inquisition basically getting involved in an eternal time war that has happened in the past, it is currently happening and is going to happen in the future all at the same time because time travel is a bitch. They're also warring with other factions from other timelines because any fucking around with the timeline will kill their timeline and they don't want their timeline to be killed and the reason they're 40k versus as fucked up as it is is because people have changed the past so many times that it made the future worse until it is the nightmare reality that we know and love today.
Not only does Ordos Chronos have to fight the war, but clean up evidence of a war, so as to not pollute the time line.
Wes has the best Breakdown in history of Warhammer youtubing
3:58
Imagine type Khârn and they send you a pile of skulls to sleep on.
Lmao
Hear me out! What if present Ordo chronos fights over dates and calendars just in order to make it easier for the time traveling Ordo Chronos to arrive at the right date and year?
I think you missed another option, GW dosnt read their books and no one has an idea what’s happening in lore
Yea but that’s less fun soooo
Also all these books are lies
This video just keeps getting better and better.
Perhaps the other Inquisitors and the High Lords believe they held too much power that they wiped them out of existence... Because they almost CONTROLS TIME...
And the High Lords wanting changes in time to fit their short term goals, without respect to long term ramifications.
42:34 "robooty giggleman"
GW and Lazy Storytelling: name a more iconic duo.
My favourite kind of 40k lore, something with a bunch of unresolved mysteries to speculate on!
Great content. Thia channel is a lovely distraction and having listened to both of the mentioned horror story breakdown videos this greater context video was really interesting.
Yessss! My favorite Ordo of the Inquisition! I STG I used them in every single one of my Dark Heresy 2nd Ed games I ran (not as the playable faction but they were always in the background somehow linked but not quite)
From what i understand, they're basically fate grand order chaldea security organisation, but in warhammer 40k
32:15 I love the slow decent of madness in your voice 😂😂😂😂
My headcanon is that they did disappear, did alot of time related stuff, probably jumping through time and doing some experiments, confirming certain events doing whatever they are doing , etc and then returning to the exact point they left or maybe a bit later. That could be the reason why no one acknowledged or even knew they dissapeared.
all these time travel shenanigans is making Orikan looks like your local fortune teller. I think the dude could only travel back a few days or weeks at a time, and all his predictions are based on calculations. He is basically a walking Laplace's Demon.
I loved your Perdition's flame video. I was really exasperated with that inquisitor. She can't accept that the ship and its people were truly overrun, that they'd done everything they could to "do their jobs" as she put it so angrily. Her forces were bested in an honest fight with a ton of angry pox walkers. The last survivors on that ship are not to blame.
It's a good parable on the dangers of becoming too focused on the inquisition immediate goal and not thinking of the impact that goal could have to the established timeline.
Oh snap, are we getting a Fire Hawks video next?!
You always talk about the most interesting, spooky stuff from the setting and I much prefer that over the battle reports.
28:59 could be a Coincidence as multiple warp wacky situations as unless Big E is sending dead legionaries to help out it could be that both could be separate loyal warriors going through time or that Big E is making ghost Asartes and the Fire hawks help out with them at times or are United as you’d have to explain the ultramarine
“There has always been an Ordo Chronos.”
Incon-seeth-able!
John grammaticus
I think the ordo cronos messing with time makes perfect sense. plus it would be the perfect in canon explanation of all the random retconning games workshop liked to do with the canon and factions
“Khârn and Argel Tal” for the mattress is hilarious 😂
It would be funny if Guilliman ordered the calenders fixed. That a few scribes decided to just call themselves ordos chronos. Because they thought it sounded cool, and have no idea what they are calling themselves
Time Demons, Guides into the fabric, the Webway, got it!
This gave me an idea for a Wrath and Glory campaign that largely starts like perdition's flame, but i want the party to be successful, then have them learn to time travel to different events in the imperium to change or ensure the outcome.
It can even justify intentionally losing batttles in order to reduce the enemy to a certain strength before their next battle. Not every loss is a loss, but a win for a different reason.
Perhaps the two groups of the Ordo Chronus that are openly disputing the time line are actually two factions trying to impose what they belive to be the best timeline to follow. And the dispute is due to the fact that each factions change to the tineline is causing displacement to their intended schedule. So they're constantly fighting to establish what changed in their timeline and what they need to do to get back on track.
Btw I love your videos, this was a great watch
He said "Timey Whimey"😮
17:35 Is he using that flaming sword as a reading light, a lhostick lighter, or both?!
I can’t wait for a deep dive for the legion of the Damned
fantastic work thank you so much, you are doing this community a great service with your videos
It's always fun to see 40K reference other scifi.
Sinclair involved in Time Travel.
I could imagine this being some sort of Madella effect.
When they disappeared and covered their tracks it might not be noticed because from that point it's like they never existed, so nobody doesn't remember.
And nobody notices them coming back because when they return it's like they always existed, like they were never gone.
Mandella effect being an indicator of time manipulation with minor paradoxical impact.
Wait, is Caphas Cain a member of the Ordo Chronos? It would explain so much!
He's probably just stumbled through accidentally saving the day and was made an honorary member post hoc to stop some sort of paradox that would be caused by removing him from the timeline. :)
@WesHammer Your list of lore is missing the Inquisitor: Prophecy/Martyr games, which revolve around a Ship-Sanctuary and do involve a few things of Ordo Chronos - among them, the ship monastary "Martyr".
so glad you made a video about this
*something interesting exists*
Belisarius Cawl: *heavy breathing*
His servitors: Prepare his ship and his personal toaster!
I wonder how maddening it is for the Black Library to track all this for timeline and continuity.
The documents they have for authors to track that on must be massive.
The fun thing about time traveling organizations is that BOTH of your Ordo Chronoses could be the very same one. They just haven't uncovered the secret of time travel YET, but will have done so in their past/40k's far future. They were ripped out of time at their meeting (probably by the Legion Of The Damned both as punishment and as the Legion saw it as neccessary), dropped into the future, learned how to time travel and then went back and established the more mundane Ordo Chronos the Imperium knows today.
Multiple factions of Ordos Chronos in inevitable, given the nature of manipulation of space time.
36:21 The hollow sun bit is interesting as its a necron tomb world inside a stars core and one of its cryptek cronomancer rahkoz is really good at manipulating time and the hollow sun is located in jerichos reach and something or someone is messing with rahkozs time manipulation so that might be related to this.
Nice idea for Dyson Sphere function. All the power, needed for time travel, and no need to build a shell.
"nothing good comes out of time travel shennanigans" - prolly the doctor
Cant wait for the legion of the damned video. Chronos having captured one of them is crazy
Seriously Wes. Keep up the awesome damn work man. You are my go to for warhammer 40k lore now a days and your content just keeps getting better and better. I was following you when it was just short skits on tik tok. Here we are now. Badass. 🤘😤🤘
If John Grammaticus is somehow the origin of this Ordo I would be genuinely pleased- it ties in nicely with The End and The Death part 3
Absolutely Love the content Wes! You got me into warhammer when I saw you on tiktok a few years back. Been a fan ever since. You the best!
Awesome content!! Loved every second!!
There's the possibility that noone has considered them missing because they have constantly popped out in the midst of problems between their supposed disappearence and their return, making it seem like they were still there and doing thier job, just less frequently because of the Fall of Calender-ia
It just gets weird when you meet people over time and they are different ages. When I met you 20 years ago, you were much older!😊
One of your best videos yet, Wes!
This is my absolute favourite warhammer video so far I love the Theory keep up the good work man
The inquisitor saying "watch the nebular till i get back" sounds a lot like the famous line from Oates during an Antarctic exploration "I'm just going out for a walk, I may be some time" when really he knew he wouldnt come back.
alright Ordo Vigilus is now my favorite thing about 40k, it’s peak that there’s an ordo we know nothing about, and another one who exists only to check on them
Your deep dives are so much better than your short form content
I literally just finished rewatching the Perditions Flame video and this one came on automatically.
The omnissiah has blessed my algorithms today
WHAT IF THAT DAY THE WHOLE OF ORDO CHRONOS CAME TOGETHER COUSE A MEMBER OF THE LEGION OF THE DAMMED SHOWED ITSELF AND HAD A MESSAGE FOR THE ENTIRE ORDO COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE EMPREOR
The Legion of the Damned has an insane look.
“What if Ghost Rider was a Space Marine?”
Mister Wes. Your work is needed for the future of Warhammer Lore. Do not fail on Your mission
I have the theory that the Legion of the Damned is one of the two missing legions. As I remember, Horus stated his disgust at what the Emperor did to one of the two legions.
I suspect one earned their gate, while the other went into a sevice that required secrecy aka Ordos Chronos.
Side note: England has always had a Dragoons army (King and Queen), why no Emperor's Dragoons? Perhaps they're the militant force supporting the Emperor's wishes in the Ordos Chronos?
I feel like I need a drink after watching this video. I have no idea how you kept all that information even a little organized.
I love tinfoil hat mode! Also thank you for the video it was awesome
Fuuuuck i love time travelling and the inquisition, Ordo Cronos has always been my favorito ordo, so glad you've made this video
If the Ordo Chronos knew what they were doing they would have went back in time and eliminated Erebus when he was a kid still and work from there, saving Angron and his slave brethren, that sort of deal. Would require only a few of them to stop the heresy from ever happening. I think the reason why they haven't done this is because they DID try it and the result was worse than the current continuity is.
No matter how crappy the Imperium currently is in m42, no matter how besieged it is, there are two major things that might give a clue why this timeline is preferable: the major Xenos races were not wiped out, they are still around, several even teams up with humanity from time to time so their knowledge and methods survive with them, the other major thing is the Imperium has been fighting a never ending war against everyone and everything, including itself for 10000 years. Even with technological regression and stagnation, the Imperium is incredibly strong due to that fighting experience.
I think the major calamity that is the reason for them not stopping the Heresy is the surviving C'tan.
The complexities of changing space-time are huge. The Eldar are good at keeping this in mind. Eliminating a significant character can result in a lot of negative consequences. Some of which may be counter to the Emperor's wishes.
@@309freddie Well, we do talk about Inquisitors, for all we know they may have CAUSED the Heresy to take place as it did, like one of their dudes went back and fathered the psychopath who becomes Erebus or something to that effect.
They already changed the timeline countless times, they are VERY familiar with the timeline down to the second. How could they say what you are about to say back at you otherwise?
They are constantly pushing the rewind button every single time they screw up, who knows, some if not all of them might actually have a way to cheat death too with their timey-whiney stuff.
In contrast with the Eldar and most other Inquisitors these boys and girls actually know what they are doing. I find that both refreshing and funny.