40K's Most MYSTERIOUS Faction. The Ordo Chronos | Warhammer 40K Lore

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  • @weshammer
    @weshammer  Před 16 dny +59

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    • @nopejhonson958
      @nopejhonson958 Před 16 dny

      the dead cabal is the legion of the damned?

    • @janstankiewicz9816
      @janstankiewicz9816 Před 15 dny +2

      It actually amuses me that a man who dwells in 40k nightmare fuel, proprietor of Grimdark Story Hour, gets this sponsorship. I guess when you lie awake pondering horrors beyond imagination, best do it on comfy mattress 😂

    • @SonOfHubris
      @SonOfHubris Před 12 dny

      well constructed video, keep it up man

    • @captainanopheles4307
      @captainanopheles4307 Před 10 dny +1

      Wow, that's one insincere promo.

    • @Rastasandrainbows
      @Rastasandrainbows Před dnem

      @@captainanopheles4307 This guy stole all his content from other people on TikTok; everything he does is insincere.

  • @rampage75_25
    @rampage75_25 Před 16 dny +513

    "Right, so everything in this millenium is fucked. What even is the date?"
    "I believe that would be heresy, my lord"
    "Excuse you?"
    "The subject of the current imperial date is heresy. The respective ordo chronos is having an entire civil war over it"
    "The fucking WHAT!!?"

    • @Vicarious_Heart
      @Vicarious_Heart Před 16 dny +90

      Rob Gorillaman: "... Fuck this "Inquisition"! How and why does it even exist?!!!"
      Golden Tampon: "I believe that's also heresy, my lord."
      Rob Gorillaman: ".....................................??" *twitch*
      Golden Tampon: "The Ordo Originatus and the Ordo Redactus are currently trying to..."
      Rob Gorillaman: *HAS A STROKE*

    • @renatoafonsomaiacarneiro950
      @renatoafonsomaiacarneiro950 Před 16 dny +16

      @@rampage75_25 Brwahahahahahahahahaha...he would, right after lighting his 50th lohstick and eating his 100h bow of desk cereal...

    • @vze1ruuh
      @vze1ruuh Před 16 dny +3

      @@Vicarious_Heart😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @vladimirmihnev9702
      @vladimirmihnev9702 Před 15 dny +3

      ​@@Vicarious_HeartHerecy HERECY EVERYWHERE!

    • @Beneko11-2
      @Beneko11-2 Před 15 dny +5

      **Exterminatus button awaiting…..**

  • @timeforringydingy
    @timeforringydingy Před 16 dny +139

    YOOOOOOOOOOO, i have wanted an Ordo Chronos coverage video for YEARS.
    Wes, you are the best.

  • @LegendStormcrow
    @LegendStormcrow Před 16 dny +152

    Hypothetical: It isn't 2 Order Chronos, but rather 2 wings of it.
    One wing was returned to the timeline to keep up with records and to correct the negative effects of them being gone in the day to day and removes all confusion of them disappearing, which likely was a problem they confronted.
    The other corrects issues from a more severe scale, but with precise points in the timeline.

    • @derkaiserzen
      @derkaiserzen Před 16 dny +21

      man, I could Imagine Kyros Fateweaver, the Lord of Change be their eternal enemies kinda like Blood Angels with Ka'Bandha

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 16 dny +12

      There's multiple factions, but primarily two. The first is the one established to "help" the Imperium, the other, after realizing there is a necessary path existence must follow to avoid temporal paradoxes, holds to a more subtle approach.

    • @LegendStormcrow
      @LegendStormcrow Před 16 dny +11

      @@309freddie It might even be that one side doesn't like the other anymore BECAUSE of said paradoxes. Kind of like their version of the typical Inquisitorial morality scale.

    • @ReesesCup7979
      @ReesesCup7979 Před 16 dny +9

      @@derkaiserzenI just imagine Kyros losing his mind (even more) seeing ordo chronos pop in and out of his memory/future sight at random

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 16 dny +3

      @@ReesesCup7979 I love the thought of that!

  • @RevokFarthis
    @RevokFarthis Před 16 dny +133

    "What's the scaariest thing in Warhammer 40k?"
    "The Inquisition has timetravel."

    • @AnimeSunglasses
      @AnimeSunglasses Před 16 dny +26

      "The Inquisition has time travel and they STILL haven't wiped out the Tyranids"

    • @stanimirnikolov159
      @stanimirnikolov159 Před 16 dny

      Majority Report?

    • @YakubTheFather
      @YakubTheFather Před 13 dny +5

      No one can stop high inquisitor Nelson Mandela

    • @BytesizeCookies
      @BytesizeCookies Před 13 dny +3

      ​@@YakubTheFather and few understand the effect he has.

    • @morgott13
      @morgott13 Před 12 dny +1

      The only thing worse would be mkoll with time travel

  • @RichiePootle
    @RichiePootle Před 16 dny +61

    IIRC there was a loyalist Imperial Knights House that was suddenly attacked by Space Marines accusing them of being traitors. They fled into the Warp, turned to Chaos, then returned to real space looking for revenge. A temporal anomaly meant they reappeared before they had been attacked, and their ‘revenge’ was what triggered the Space Marine’s attack in the first place!

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +3

      Beautiful idea!

    • @T57Custodian
      @T57Custodian Před 22 hodinami

      The bootstrap paradox.
      Who cause the relataliaton first?

    • @RichiePootle
      @RichiePootle Před 9 hodinami

      @@T57Custodian Irrelevant. While SOMETHING must have caused the Knights to turn traitor and enter the Warp, it no longer happened. It’s been erased, replaced with a self-sustaining loop that doesn’t need those original events

  • @Dumb-Comment
    @Dumb-Comment Před 16 dny +244

    Robert Grillerman: "I wonder what's for dinner"
    "That is heresy my lord"
    "Wh-"
    "The Ordo Culinarium has established that..."
    " *Dies again* "

    • @thetobi583
      @thetobi583 Před 16 dny +18

      I swear to the emperor.... Is there actually an Ordo Culinarium? It'd be hilarious

    • @mediumsurmoon6283
      @mediumsurmoon6283 Před 15 dny +9

      Ordo Nlyfans

    • @NebulousSquirrel
      @NebulousSquirrel Před 15 dny

      @@mediumsurmoon6283 Now call me paranoid but I have my suspicions that the holy and auspicious Ordo Nlyfans may have been infiltrated and corrupted by agents of she who thirsts

    • @michaelarreola4201
      @michaelarreola4201 Před 11 dny +1

      @@thetobi583 But who would be in charge of the taste testers???

    • @thetobi583
      @thetobi583 Před 11 dny +1

      @@michaelarreola4201 oh, this could be a topic for WesHammer to get into 😆

  • @riverr1002
    @riverr1002 Před 16 dny +41

    Wes is going absolutely insane and I'm so here for it, dig deeper Wes. DIG. DEEPER.

  • @craigwilcox3519
    @craigwilcox3519 Před 16 dny +184

    My man id love to see you do a deep dive on the legion of the damned.

    • @echothefurry164
      @echothefurry164 Před 16 dny +5

      i second this

    • @Ilovewetfood
      @Ilovewetfood Před 16 dny

      Thirded

    • @veljkorajic5281
      @veljkorajic5281 Před 16 dny +3

      dint he make one? or am i thinking of another long form wh40k youtuber

    • @annfranknthatic
      @annfranknthatic Před 16 dny +5

      You may be thinking of Luetin09. He did one on them.

    • @godconvoy
      @godconvoy Před 16 dny +5

      ​@annfranknthatic Luetin did fairly comprehensive one, and MajorKill did a speed run version. There are few other people have done them as well. More perspectives are good though.

  • @maniacalskipper
    @maniacalskipper Před 16 dny +69

    My theory: Malcador after leaving the throne reincarnated in the late 1950's and knowing what the future holds formed an organization called GW where he play tests his future plans to hopefully prevent the future there is now. This ordo is serving to update malcador with the changes in the future based on his playtesting in the present. This is bat shit but find it fun.

    • @Pixel22-fs3tt
      @Pixel22-fs3tt Před 16 dny +7

      Now as much as stupid and funny this is. It is also quite fascinating as well for this theory

    • @maniacalskipper
      @maniacalskipper Před 16 dny +11

      @@Pixel22-fs3tt glad you enjoy it. My theory is the last book GW ever writes will reveal malcador and/or the Emperor run GW.

    • @NateCreed07
      @NateCreed07 Před 13 dny

      This is wild

    • @ClarkyClark
      @ClarkyClark Před 9 dny +1

      ​@maniacalskipper I dig it. That's my official head Canon now. Thanks mate!

  • @twisteddaze
    @twisteddaze Před 16 dny +29

    Honestly I don't play Warhammer, nor do I have any desire to, but the lore is incredible and I LOVE hearing you talk about it

    • @andrewcrane5105
      @andrewcrane5105 Před 16 dny

      Just play, do it

    • @twisteddaze
      @twisteddaze Před 15 dny +2

      @@andrewcrane5105 not into games that make me think too much. don't like keeping track of stats

    • @atheos5748
      @atheos5748 Před 13 dny +2

      Read the books. They're great :) There's many ways to interact with the hobby.

  • @trailblazerlazerrazerd9027
    @trailblazerlazerrazerd9027 Před 16 dny +97

    Wait even Guilliman didn't ask where the hell they've been? If that's the case then the only people who probably know that they even still exist are probably chaos factions and maybe Bellisarius Cawl.
    Which doesn't even say anything about the Necrons. They probably observe everything. In fact I'm pretty sure one of their tomb lords can actually travel through time and I think he's like the arch nemesis of Trazyn the Infinite. But Trazyn is so smart and crafty that he reacts and ruins the other guy's time traveling plans before they can do anything.

    • @bobh9492
      @bobh9492 Před 16 dny +9

      Cawls about to shit in ordo chronos’ cheerios

    • @Bancomnin
      @Bancomnin Před 16 dny +13

      His name is Orikan The Diviner. He's a very powerful Chronomancer Necron Overlord.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +4

      Necrons are aware enough to not adjust the timeline to serve their own personal needs. To do so is to invite self-annilation. Moving things in time is like transfering a spiderwab without destroying it.

    • @Hurricayne92
      @Hurricayne92 Před 11 dny +1

      @@309freddie Yea considering the Necrons are effectively immortal they need to plan a fair bit forward, IMO its also the reason that that they are VERY hesitant to use the Celestial Orrery.

  • @alint484
    @alint484 Před 16 dny +21

    Hey Wes,
    I just wanted to say thanks so much for making the videos! I used to paint and play 40k with my dad back when I was 10. I haven’t touched the figures or any books in over 10 years. I just randomly stumbled on one of your videos, and I have been bingeing them ever since. Thank you for bringing me back to the fandom!

  • @lostbutfreesoul
    @lostbutfreesoul Před 16 dny +26

    One of my most favorite groups.
    Anyone who can write themselves out of existence, entirely, gets my attention.

  • @darkanice7
    @darkanice7 Před 16 dny +42

    That is a good way to ensure that the branding does not break.... "No sire, it turned out its not the 41k now, it was 800 years earlier than we thought!" - It will stay stay 40k forever!" ....

    • @ericcloud1023
      @ericcloud1023 Před 12 dny +1

      forever 21- you must cease & desist. LIKE RIGHT TOTALLY NOW!

    • @3Xero3
      @3Xero3 Před dnem

      Think they are allowed to round down to 40k at least till we reach the next game iteration Warhammer 50k.

  • @antcow1239
    @antcow1239 Před 16 dny +34

    I already know there have been time travel shenanigans in Warhammer 40K.
    I remember a Dark age tech ship arriving to the 40th millennium. That was hilarious when the ship AI berated the Tech preists trying to appease her with oils and dances.
    Ther was also another occasion when a team of Sisters of battle that found a time displaced ship that was both brand new and millions of years old and it had a flesh pit of psykers and a future version of one of the SOB's present on the ship trying to warn of a future calamity by talking through the psykers, but the past SOB burned the flesh pit before the message could be relayed.
    And then later it was changed to Sister of silence doing the same thing.
    And then it flipped again.
    I think the Ordo Chronos is changing things over and over.

    • @fadelsukoco3092
      @fadelsukoco3092 Před 16 dny +3

      I'm pretty sure the SoB psychic fleshball was from the Daemonifuge comic line that details the backstory of Ephreal Stern and how she got hectic anti-Chaos psychic powers. The fleshball sacrificed itself and transferred its collective psychic powers and soul energy to Stern.
      The one that was made from Silent Sisters was during the Heresy, where the fleshball manipulated events to warn a squad of Silent Sisters sent to investigate it about the future danger of the Horus Heresy. Realizing that the fleshball was talking with the voice of one of her subordinates, the Sister captain executed the subordinate in question and this retconned the fleshball from existing.

    • @antcow1239
      @antcow1239 Před 16 dny +1

      @@fadelsukoco3092 No no, it wasnt the Demonifuge, i read this in an actual novel not a comic.
      And that whole thing with the sisters silence, it was SOB's first and then it was changed to Sisters of silence.
      The retconn was retconned! XD

    • @fadelsukoco3092
      @fadelsukoco3092 Před 16 dny +1

      @@antcow1239 Then they were still different events that had to have happened in different books, since the example with the Silent Sisters is before the Heresy and the Sororitas didn't exist until the Age of Apostasy.

    • @antcow1239
      @antcow1239 Před 16 dny +1

      @@fadelsukoco3092 Maybe, all i was saying is it happened both ways

  • @SausageAssass1n
    @SausageAssass1n Před 16 dny +11

    I would love a long form video on the Legion of the Damned. Such an interesting, out of place concept that has been under-explored.

  • @Madashell1200
    @Madashell1200 Před 16 dny +14

    I've wanted a video explaining this often overlooked faction for a long time. I'm glad someone finally addressed it.

  • @acereporter73
    @acereporter73 Před 16 dny +55

    Ordo Chronos has that hard-coded plausible deniability: "How can we be culpable if it never happened? If we never existed?"

  • @ravendelacour1917
    @ravendelacour1917 Před 15 dny +10

    "The greatest trick the Ordo Chronos ever pulled was convincing the galaxy they didn't exist."

  • @katrinamiller2547
    @katrinamiller2547 Před 16 dny +6

    I love all the Inquisition's more esoteric Ordos, they truly do not get enough of the spotlight. Stoked to hear you're gonna cover the Legion of the Damned, can't wait!!

  • @williambell3304
    @williambell3304 Před 16 dny +180

    The "Chronostrife" is just clerks not knowing how to interpret confusing, heavily redacted mission reports:
    Inquisitor 1: Planet Helios IV destroyed by asteroid impact, year 634 m34.
    Inquisitor 2: Asteroid destroyed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Ork invasion, year 845 m34.
    Inquisitor 3: Invasion repulsed, Planet Helios IV destroyed by Exterminatus, year 298 M35.
    Clerk 1: "What are they doing?"
    Clerk 2: "Arguing about history, I guess. What a bunch of idiots. Helios IV was never destroyed, I was born there!"

    • @MattyRlufc
      @MattyRlufc Před 16 dny +28

      Chronostrife happened because in humanity's ancient past the Unified Realm of Merica never learned to use the 24 hour clock. Over 38,000 years the error introduced by occasionally forgetting to wind their watches means there's now a 2,000 year uncertainty in the actual date.

    • @handsomeman-child8751
      @handsomeman-child8751 Před 16 dny +17

      @@MattyRlufc I blame that damned chaos ritual of "daylight savings time"

    • @MattyRlufc
      @MattyRlufc Před 16 dny +6

      @@handsomeman-child8751 I did wonder why we had to sacrifice the firstborn just to change the clocks 🤔

  • @_nick.._.liachnis
    @_nick.._.liachnis Před 16 dny +25

    I first learned about the Ordo Chronos from your video on the Pharisene Paradox. Their stories really bring out that temporal horror to 40k.

  • @ravendelacour1917
    @ravendelacour1917 Před 15 dny +13

    Given the extra-temporal nature of Ordo Chronos, it's possible the ones who were directing the Legion of Damned were the Ordo in the future. Thus the past Ordo were investigating themselves.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +1

      Absolutely!

    • @Hurricayne92
      @Hurricayne92 Před 11 dny +1

      That would be very much an Inqusition thing to do😅

    • @ravendelacour1917
      @ravendelacour1917 Před 11 dny

      @@Hurricayne92 My best Dark Heresey RPG campaign turned out to be secret war between a Purtian and a Radical Inquisitiors.

  • @jhetttiernan2623
    @jhetttiernan2623 Před 16 dny +44

    My Ordo Chronos Inquisitor was written to be like that one dwemmer who got left out of the Numidium. Just walking out of the bathroom like Tom from MySpace and being like “where did everybody go?”
    Edit: PLEASE don’t let the LOTD be the Firehawks! I cannot begin to convey my sheer hatred for that pack of unworthy flailing man-babies and I don’t think my heart could take it

    • @endersgameover
      @endersgameover Před 14 dny

      I certainly hope not. Time travel ruins writing no matter what the circumstances

    • @Hurricayne92
      @Hurricayne92 Před 11 dny +1

      @@endersgameover this is just not true, as much as it hard to do time travel right it is possible

  • @Sully3000
    @Sully3000 Před 16 dny +17

    32:00 the birth of FoilHammer

    • @rueshady
      @rueshady Před 13 dny +1

      The ordo Folius: the only inquisition cell on the real world

  • @jeanannd
    @jeanannd Před 16 dny +11

    A mystery of hundreds of years - of course the warp can play havoc with time and sometimes ships show up hundreds of years after they were scheduled. OOO - Not an accident? Oh I love your shows as you always bring up the things we often miss or hadn't realized might be important. I remember that story where the the ship was victim because of what the inquisitor brought aboard. The Ship officer and the man imprisoned on the way to face trial. You narrated that story for us last year. It was great!

  • @effeks2000
    @effeks2000 Před 16 dny +7

    Most enjoyable loretuber hands down. Positive, fun, and informative.

    • @noahhenry6584
      @noahhenry6584 Před 16 dny

      I love luetin's video essay format for when I want in depth deep dives. I love Wes for small 20 min videos to update my missing lore. That being said if Wes does make hour long video essays I'll listen :)

    • @PhantomGato-v-
      @PhantomGato-v- Před 14 dny

      ​@@noahhenry6584Luetin for the sleep, Wes for quick lore catchups

  • @arthose18
    @arthose18 Před 16 dny +3

    Exactly at 32min I started cackling at the foil. Made me think he was going to throw the line, "but that's just a theory, A Warhammer Theory!".

  • @caceymarasco6765
    @caceymarasco6765 Před 16 dny +3

    It’s been a while since I’ve felt genuine oooo and aaaaa about 40K. I’ve been in it so long the grimdark isn’t as captivating as it used to be for me. But stories like these remind me just how deep this universe is and you did a great job bringing it to life! Ave Imperator!

  • @MrSoresu
    @MrSoresu Před 15 dny +3

    Inquisitor Lord Emmett Brown: "Great Scott!"

  • @LuluTheDuck33
    @LuluTheDuck33 Před 16 dny +16

    Imagine trying to keep to appointment time in 40K

    • @simonfisher7
      @simonfisher7 Před 16 dny +3

      True , if the warp travel is involved you can both arrive hundreds of years too late or possibly before you made the appointment

  • @Josh24861
    @Josh24861 Před 16 dny +320

    All these bots in the comments, CZcams needs to sort their shit out

    • @Voxcast07
      @Voxcast07 Před 16 dny +22

      There’s gotta be a bot reporting option lol

    • @Sphendrana
      @Sphendrana Před 16 dny +20

      @@Voxcast07nah that's too smart for their style.

    • @kingcrafteroderderfahradtu7331
      @kingcrafteroderderfahradtu7331 Před 16 dny +17

      @@Voxcast07there’s the option to report spam. I suppose that could be it

    • @Lancersilva
      @Lancersilva Před 16 dny +30

      Fr, there needs to be an… inquisition

    • @timtim6373
      @timtim6373 Před 16 dny +19

      I sadly doubt CZcams will do anything till it affects them negatively. As bots are basically just very active users in CZcams’s eyes

  • @zrider7380
    @zrider7380 Před 16 dny +2

    Love all the work and passion. Long time sub. Hope in the future you produce retelling of all the books, spoilers and all. Love how you add personal insight, details, and humor to your stories. Huge undertaking, i know, but you deserve a huge team and support. Here for 3 hour videos. Continue the amazing work, and I can't wait for the next upload.

  • @djashovel
    @djashovel Před 16 dny +37

    I think for fun Trazyn Invites Guilliman over to watch Real life alien isolation with trazyn tyranids Trying to eat Guilliman Inquisitors That he Really doesn't like
    Inquisitors:RUN!!!!!!!!!!
    tyranid: AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
    TrazynandGuilliman:HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @jakubcekal5839
    @jakubcekal5839 Před 14 dny +1

    This is easily one of the most intriguing warhammer mysteries I have ever watched ! Great job on putting all of this together and re-telling it in a very engaging way !

  • @kel8923
    @kel8923 Před 16 dny +1

    Thank you Sir! I feel like this presentation goes from the level of sharing lore in a high quality way to finding/creating lore that is beyond a well crafted fan theory. Impressive work.

  • @rynether9878
    @rynether9878 Před 15 dny +1

    The effort and passion you pour into your videos never ceases to amaze me.
    I love watching your videos, and they are just the absolute perfect thing to immerse myself into before bed.
    Thank you for all of your hard work, and I eagerly look forward to your next video

  • @gradymccloe3255
    @gradymccloe3255 Před 16 dny +2

    it’s funny you made this video now because a few days ago I went back and watched all of your warhammer horror vids and my favorite was the Pharisene paradox story, kinda seems like perfect timing. Anyway I love your videos keep up the great work man 👍

  • @bluebowser3347
    @bluebowser3347 Před 16 dny +6

    I want you to make a part two for when the emperors children "saved" that imperium world from genestealers.

  • @TheoneandonlyPAT695
    @TheoneandonlyPAT695 Před 16 dny +6

    Love you Wes! Keep up the great work favorite warhammer channel thanks for being with us through all this time :) big hugs and best regards

  • @inspektah3
    @inspektah3 Před 16 dny +4

    Definitely might need to make an inquisitorial list with some legion of the damned death watch space Marines after this video

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      Don't forget Grey Knights to handle Chaos elements, Adeptus Mechanicus to keep the equipment running and Some Ulthwe for guidance. Lots of armies to collect.😊

  • @transhumanhivemind3048
    @transhumanhivemind3048 Před 16 dny +5

    This reminds me of a 40k fanfiction anthology where one of its chapters is called Time War. I think it literally involved this faction of the Inquisition basically getting involved in an eternal time war that has happened in the past, it is currently happening and is going to happen in the future all at the same time because time travel is a bitch. They're also warring with other factions from other timelines because any fucking around with the timeline will kill their timeline and they don't want their timeline to be killed and the reason they're 40k versus as fucked up as it is is because people have changed the past so many times that it made the future worse until it is the nightmare reality that we know and love today.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +1

      Not only does Ordos Chronos have to fight the war, but clean up evidence of a war, so as to not pollute the time line.

  • @kingofwhispers
    @kingofwhispers Před 14 dny +2

    Wes has the best Breakdown in history of Warhammer youtubing

  • @sentryward8744
    @sentryward8744 Před 16 dny +7

    3:58
    Imagine type Khârn and they send you a pile of skulls to sleep on.
    Lmao

  • @hynekbroz7029
    @hynekbroz7029 Před 14 dny +4

    Hear me out! What if present Ordo chronos fights over dates and calendars just in order to make it easier for the time traveling Ordo Chronos to arrive at the right date and year?

  • @Ghostofz
    @Ghostofz Před 16 dny +21

    I think you missed another option, GW dosnt read their books and no one has an idea what’s happening in lore

  • @williamgoddard-i7r
    @williamgoddard-i7r Před 3 dny

    This video just keeps getting better and better.

  • @orionthanathos8861
    @orionthanathos8861 Před 16 dny +8

    Perhaps the other Inquisitors and the High Lords believe they held too much power that they wiped them out of existence... Because they almost CONTROLS TIME...

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      And the High Lords wanting changes in time to fit their short term goals, without respect to long term ramifications.

  • @rosza636
    @rosza636 Před 16 dny +4

    42:34 "robooty giggleman"

  • @vonkug
    @vonkug Před 15 dny +2

    GW and Lazy Storytelling: name a more iconic duo.

  • @runcmd1419
    @runcmd1419 Před 16 dny +1

    My favourite kind of 40k lore, something with a bunch of unresolved mysteries to speculate on!

  • @Sage-Thyme
    @Sage-Thyme Před 15 dny

    Great content. Thia channel is a lovely distraction and having listened to both of the mentioned horror story breakdown videos this greater context video was really interesting.

  • @xaviermoriarty7429
    @xaviermoriarty7429 Před 16 dny +10

    Yessss! My favorite Ordo of the Inquisition! I STG I used them in every single one of my Dark Heresy 2nd Ed games I ran (not as the playable faction but they were always in the background somehow linked but not quite)

    • @anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr
      @anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr Před 16 dny

      From what i understand, they're basically fate grand order chaldea security organisation, but in warhammer 40k

  • @vze1ruuh
    @vze1ruuh Před 16 dny +1

    32:15 I love the slow decent of madness in your voice 😂😂😂😂

  • @donpackundo6953
    @donpackundo6953 Před 14 dny +1

    My headcanon is that they did disappear, did alot of time related stuff, probably jumping through time and doing some experiments, confirming certain events doing whatever they are doing , etc and then returning to the exact point they left or maybe a bit later. That could be the reason why no one acknowledged or even knew they dissapeared.
    all these time travel shenanigans is making Orikan looks like your local fortune teller. I think the dude could only travel back a few days or weeks at a time, and all his predictions are based on calculations. He is basically a walking Laplace's Demon.

  • @AnimeShinigami13
    @AnimeShinigami13 Před 15 dny +1

    I loved your Perdition's flame video. I was really exasperated with that inquisitor. She can't accept that the ship and its people were truly overrun, that they'd done everything they could to "do their jobs" as she put it so angrily. Her forces were bested in an honest fight with a ton of angry pox walkers. The last survivors on that ship are not to blame.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      It's a good parable on the dangers of becoming too focused on the inquisition immediate goal and not thinking of the impact that goal could have to the established timeline.

  • @HiroProtaganist
    @HiroProtaganist Před 16 dny +1

    Oh snap, are we getting a Fire Hawks video next?!
    You always talk about the most interesting, spooky stuff from the setting and I much prefer that over the battle reports.

  • @Channel-23s
    @Channel-23s Před 11 dny +1

    28:59 could be a Coincidence as multiple warp wacky situations as unless Big E is sending dead legionaries to help out it could be that both could be separate loyal warriors going through time or that Big E is making ghost Asartes and the Fire hawks help out with them at times or are United as you’d have to explain the ultramarine

  • @sunbreakerqueenofbronze621
    @sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 Před 16 dny +11

    “There has always been an Ordo Chronos.”

  • @MegaDeuceX
    @MegaDeuceX Před 15 dny +1

    I think the ordo cronos messing with time makes perfect sense. plus it would be the perfect in canon explanation of all the random retconning games workshop liked to do with the canon and factions

  • @francesco1998
    @francesco1998 Před 16 dny +1

    “Khârn and Argel Tal” for the mattress is hilarious 😂

  • @mabusxb856
    @mabusxb856 Před 16 dny +2

    It would be funny if Guilliman ordered the calenders fixed. That a few scribes decided to just call themselves ordos chronos. Because they thought it sounded cool, and have no idea what they are calling themselves

  • @fumarc4501
    @fumarc4501 Před 15 dny +1

    Time Demons, Guides into the fabric, the Webway, got it!

  • @gearsofdawn
    @gearsofdawn Před 15 dny +1

    This gave me an idea for a Wrath and Glory campaign that largely starts like perdition's flame, but i want the party to be successful, then have them learn to time travel to different events in the imperium to change or ensure the outcome.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      It can even justify intentionally losing batttles in order to reduce the enemy to a certain strength before their next battle. Not every loss is a loss, but a win for a different reason.

  • @williamjim7538
    @williamjim7538 Před 22 hodinami

    Perhaps the two groups of the Ordo Chronus that are openly disputing the time line are actually two factions trying to impose what they belive to be the best timeline to follow. And the dispute is due to the fact that each factions change to the tineline is causing displacement to their intended schedule. So they're constantly fighting to establish what changed in their timeline and what they need to do to get back on track.
    Btw I love your videos, this was a great watch

  • @GodOfWar109
    @GodOfWar109 Před 16 dny +3

    He said "Timey Whimey"😮

  • @Brickerbrack
    @Brickerbrack Před 11 dny +1

    17:35 Is he using that flaming sword as a reading light, a lhostick lighter, or both?!

  • @chrisrack9036
    @chrisrack9036 Před 16 dny +1

    I can’t wait for a deep dive for the legion of the Damned

  • @aptsag3390
    @aptsag3390 Před 12 dny

    fantastic work thank you so much, you are doing this community a great service with your videos

  • @brianshea2515
    @brianshea2515 Před 10 dny

    It's always fun to see 40K reference other scifi.
    Sinclair involved in Time Travel.

  • @geniusmike6482
    @geniusmike6482 Před 16 dny +1

    I could imagine this being some sort of Madella effect.
    When they disappeared and covered their tracks it might not be noticed because from that point it's like they never existed, so nobody doesn't remember.
    And nobody notices them coming back because when they return it's like they always existed, like they were never gone.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      Mandella effect being an indicator of time manipulation with minor paradoxical impact.

  • @starheart8135
    @starheart8135 Před dnem +1

    Wait, is Caphas Cain a member of the Ordo Chronos? It would explain so much!

    • @Kia044
      @Kia044 Před dnem

      He's probably just stumbled through accidentally saving the day and was made an honorary member post hoc to stop some sort of paradox that would be caused by removing him from the timeline. :)

  • @trischas.2809
    @trischas.2809 Před 16 dny +1

    @WesHammer Your list of lore is missing the Inquisitor: Prophecy/Martyr games, which revolve around a Ship-Sanctuary and do involve a few things of Ordo Chronos - among them, the ship monastary "Martyr".

  • @drunkonrootbeer6085
    @drunkonrootbeer6085 Před 15 dny

    so glad you made a video about this

  • @Takeya99
    @Takeya99 Před 9 dny

    *something interesting exists*
    Belisarius Cawl: *heavy breathing*
    His servitors: Prepare his ship and his personal toaster!

  • @nikolaiwriter
    @nikolaiwriter Před 16 dny +2

    I wonder how maddening it is for the Black Library to track all this for timeline and continuity.

    • @owenkelly2940
      @owenkelly2940 Před 16 dny +1

      The documents they have for authors to track that on must be massive.

  • @TheBreuster
    @TheBreuster Před 15 dny +1

    The fun thing about time traveling organizations is that BOTH of your Ordo Chronoses could be the very same one. They just haven't uncovered the secret of time travel YET, but will have done so in their past/40k's far future. They were ripped out of time at their meeting (probably by the Legion Of The Damned both as punishment and as the Legion saw it as neccessary), dropped into the future, learned how to time travel and then went back and established the more mundane Ordo Chronos the Imperium knows today.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      Multiple factions of Ordos Chronos in inevitable, given the nature of manipulation of space time.

  • @user-nu7vq6ei5q
    @user-nu7vq6ei5q Před 16 dny +2

    36:21 The hollow sun bit is interesting as its a necron tomb world inside a stars core and one of its cryptek cronomancer rahkoz is really good at manipulating time and the hollow sun is located in jerichos reach and something or someone is messing with rahkozs time manipulation so that might be related to this.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      Nice idea for Dyson Sphere function. All the power, needed for time travel, and no need to build a shell.

  • @sopianwahyudi
    @sopianwahyudi Před 16 dny +2

    "nothing good comes out of time travel shennanigans" - prolly the doctor

  • @nicholas1173
    @nicholas1173 Před 12 dny

    Cant wait for the legion of the damned video. Chronos having captured one of them is crazy

  • @Zurius
    @Zurius Před 15 dny

    Seriously Wes. Keep up the awesome damn work man. You are my go to for warhammer 40k lore now a days and your content just keeps getting better and better. I was following you when it was just short skits on tik tok. Here we are now. Badass. 🤘😤🤘

  • @MarcoPolo-pf7nn
    @MarcoPolo-pf7nn Před dnem

    If John Grammaticus is somehow the origin of this Ordo I would be genuinely pleased- it ties in nicely with The End and The Death part 3

  • @rigobertomontoya107
    @rigobertomontoya107 Před 14 dny

    Absolutely Love the content Wes! You got me into warhammer when I saw you on tiktok a few years back. Been a fan ever since. You the best!

  • @jasonelimon9664
    @jasonelimon9664 Před 16 dny

    Awesome content!! Loved every second!!

  • @icarusblues7699
    @icarusblues7699 Před 16 dny +1

    There's the possibility that noone has considered them missing because they have constantly popped out in the midst of problems between their supposed disappearence and their return, making it seem like they were still there and doing thier job, just less frequently because of the Fall of Calender-ia

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +1

      It just gets weird when you meet people over time and they are different ages. When I met you 20 years ago, you were much older!😊

  • @PeachT87
    @PeachT87 Před 11 dny

    One of your best videos yet, Wes!

  • @karpadorisop3081
    @karpadorisop3081 Před 16 dny

    This is my absolute favourite warhammer video so far I love the Theory keep up the good work man

  • @christhompson8003
    @christhompson8003 Před 11 dny

    The inquisitor saying "watch the nebular till i get back" sounds a lot like the famous line from Oates during an Antarctic exploration "I'm just going out for a walk, I may be some time" when really he knew he wouldnt come back.

  • @novataco5412
    @novataco5412 Před 5 dny

    alright Ordo Vigilus is now my favorite thing about 40k, it’s peak that there’s an ordo we know nothing about, and another one who exists only to check on them

  • @thomasboudreau4246
    @thomasboudreau4246 Před 16 dny +1

    Your deep dives are so much better than your short form content

  • @devintrivett4918
    @devintrivett4918 Před 16 dny

    I literally just finished rewatching the Perditions Flame video and this one came on automatically.
    The omnissiah has blessed my algorithms today

  • @walterlaten7662
    @walterlaten7662 Před 16 dny +3

    WHAT IF THAT DAY THE WHOLE OF ORDO CHRONOS CAME TOGETHER COUSE A MEMBER OF THE LEGION OF THE DAMMED SHOWED ITSELF AND HAD A MESSAGE FOR THE ENTIRE ORDO COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE EMPREOR

  • @timothylott8272
    @timothylott8272 Před 16 dny +2

    The Legion of the Damned has an insane look.

  • @CzerwonyRymcer
    @CzerwonyRymcer Před 15 dny

    Mister Wes. Your work is needed for the future of Warhammer Lore. Do not fail on Your mission

  • @garronn
    @garronn Před 15 dny +1

    I have the theory that the Legion of the Damned is one of the two missing legions. As I remember, Horus stated his disgust at what the Emperor did to one of the two legions.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny

      I suspect one earned their gate, while the other went into a sevice that required secrecy aka Ordos Chronos.
      Side note: England has always had a Dragoons army (King and Queen), why no Emperor's Dragoons? Perhaps they're the militant force supporting the Emperor's wishes in the Ordos Chronos?

  • @GreasusGoldtooth
    @GreasusGoldtooth Před 14 dny

    I feel like I need a drink after watching this video. I have no idea how you kept all that information even a little organized.

  • @Treetimedragons
    @Treetimedragons Před 3 dny

    I love tinfoil hat mode! Also thank you for the video it was awesome

  • @seffye2195
    @seffye2195 Před 15 dny

    Fuuuuck i love time travelling and the inquisition, Ordo Cronos has always been my favorito ordo, so glad you've made this video

  • @MrPapamaci88
    @MrPapamaci88 Před 16 dny +3

    If the Ordo Chronos knew what they were doing they would have went back in time and eliminated Erebus when he was a kid still and work from there, saving Angron and his slave brethren, that sort of deal. Would require only a few of them to stop the heresy from ever happening. I think the reason why they haven't done this is because they DID try it and the result was worse than the current continuity is.
    No matter how crappy the Imperium currently is in m42, no matter how besieged it is, there are two major things that might give a clue why this timeline is preferable: the major Xenos races were not wiped out, they are still around, several even teams up with humanity from time to time so their knowledge and methods survive with them, the other major thing is the Imperium has been fighting a never ending war against everyone and everything, including itself for 10000 years. Even with technological regression and stagnation, the Imperium is incredibly strong due to that fighting experience.
    I think the major calamity that is the reason for them not stopping the Heresy is the surviving C'tan.

    • @309freddie
      @309freddie Před 14 dny +1

      The complexities of changing space-time are huge. The Eldar are good at keeping this in mind. Eliminating a significant character can result in a lot of negative consequences. Some of which may be counter to the Emperor's wishes.

    • @MrPapamaci88
      @MrPapamaci88 Před 14 dny +1

      ​@@309freddie Well, we do talk about Inquisitors, for all we know they may have CAUSED the Heresy to take place as it did, like one of their dudes went back and fathered the psychopath who becomes Erebus or something to that effect.
      They already changed the timeline countless times, they are VERY familiar with the timeline down to the second. How could they say what you are about to say back at you otherwise?
      They are constantly pushing the rewind button every single time they screw up, who knows, some if not all of them might actually have a way to cheat death too with their timey-whiney stuff.
      In contrast with the Eldar and most other Inquisitors these boys and girls actually know what they are doing. I find that both refreshing and funny.