That's great! I'm glad you took the opportunity he is definitely something to see. We only get that opportunity maybe once a year if we are lucky because my school is on the east coast and he only travels here once a year. We do have more regular seminars with Goldberg Sensei his senior student and Director of the east coast Kodokai. I've learned so much from him in the past few years. His training of my Sensei is such a benefit to us because our Sensei gets better all the time.
I don't train in daito ryu but rather in a style derived from daito ryu (hakkoryu). I had the privilege of taking a seminar from Kyama Sensei when I was just starting my training. He was amazing!
I also get lot of questions from karate students when I am showing Tachi Gyaku Kote Gaeshi, saying that their other hand is free to punch me. They fail to see that during a demo or while learning, the techniques are done at slow speed in order to protect our partners. If the wrist is twisted at high speeds just to show the actual thing, it will snap & that would defeat the purpose of a practice session - which is to learn the proper technique, not to maim our fellow brothers. Thanks.
Aikijujutsu aims to harm the attacker and break their bones with the techniques.Aikido looks to not harm the attacker(which is why aikijutsu is more practical and better for self defense).The techniques differ as well.
well injuries can't be completely avoided, but restraint is necessary so as to decrease such instances. Ukemi has to be done properly or else u might end up bruising your shoulders or worse the cervical joints. Hence, doing it at slow speeds lets u know the dangers w/o seriously hurting urself & others.
@FearThisChannel this is a menostration of technique and not sparring. but demonstrating the technique in a perfect situation. But, if you dont mind having something dislocated by all means attempt a elbow agaist a skilled Aikijujutsu player. The secret to resisting a Aikijujutsu technique is not to resist.
floaton11 good for you. You found the best in the US. I am also a Kodokai member and have had the honor to train with Kiyama Sensei on one occasion. Good luck in your training.
no matter what style you do training with them will always rub off on you in a positive way Hakkoryu is probably the most like Daito Ryu of the Daito Ryu derivitive styles so I'm sure you can see the similarities. It is very cool that your art practices healing arts though. That is something I would like to learn some day.
It's just a pure sport that works in a clinch. Forgetting everything that a street scenario could go wrong in that time. It's nothing like Daito ryu which opens the option before a clinch happens. Thus increasing reaction time.
@Bishop187mob Daito ryu jujutsu,Daito ryu aikijujutsu,Daito ryu aikijutsu,Daito ryu aikibudo,aiki no jutsu,aiki in yo ho......choose that you like better. Ah,the right way to say "right" is "right" no "rite" ;). Thanks for your enlightening comment.
Oyama never trained in standard jujitsu because there is no such thing.He trained in Judo with Masahiko Kimura.In the time Mas Oyama was growing up most jujitsu schools in Japan where banned or simply unpopular because they where affiliated with old Japanese warfare times when all honor was forgotten.He trained in Chinese Kempo,Shotokan and Goju Ryu before founding Kyokushin.
Plus I did mention that in a knife attack, the worst thing you possibly want to do is to turn your back, unless your timing is better than the best martial artist in history. Which strips all judo techniques down to a few sweep and throws. Nothing else works.
Very accurate comment Tora. The waza is the same but the application of it is definitely different in each faction. When applied by the so called "mainline" branch no disrespect but thats what they want to be called, they tend to use a more ju jutsu focused application due to the way Kondo interprets the waza. Kodokai style focuses much more on the instant aiki aspect and doesn't use much ju jutsu. Kodo was small, Kondo is a big guy, hence the interpretation. Both are effective.
that i am studiying was created by a Karateka and Judoka who later turned to Aikido.The Judoka was also a sumo wrestler so we study breaking balance prety much in every technique using leverage and our hips and especially leg movement.I heard that there are alot of bad dojos out there in which people don't learn even some basic things they could use in every day life.My opinion is that it all depends on the practitioner.I have seen good Judokas,Karatekas,Kick-Boxers..but also bad ones.
as with any technique you need to learn the technique with your training partner just feeding and not resisting or countering. That is later on down the road and also for sparring later down the road but you need to learn the technique and get it down first and learn attributes such as sensitivity, speed, timing, setting a technique up, and so on. Before you can run you ,must crawl. Newbies commenting dont understand this simple logic.
aikijujtsu ans aikido jujtsu are taught in japan on the battlefield all these can be used to kill harm or injure an attacker you can break bones with either one of these japanese martial arts but having that if you break anyones arm neck or leg its classed as assult,,,,, lol dont ask me why to be honest because i think it's ballocks but its UK law i guess to say they are attacking you....so this is why its used an holding method to apply pressure to there joints if they move apply it more ???
my question to DAITORYUDESHI.... yes your very true indeed it's good to show slow movements.... like you explained to show during demo or while your practicing with partners.... to stop injury ?
The first real standardized jujutsu would be Judo or Kano Jujutsu as at was called before he founded the Kodokan(because he used different teachings from different schools and combined them) .Yes there where standard techniques that where used(mostly by the military)but you can't really call that standard jujutsu.For instance there was an institute strictly for newaza or ground techniques at the time that the Kodokan existed but it was shut down for being associated with nationalistic movement's
Well you should also tell them that if done right you are stepping off at an angle and moving in close which makes the punch a lot weaker. I can attest to this as I do tradition based Jujutsu like this video, and I also fight MMA. In my last fight I was entering in while my opponent threw a hook punch and connected with my head. I didn't feel a thing. The only way I knew it hit me was because I saw it.
Aiki Jujutsu was definitely not for him.Aiki JuJutsu is a whole other part of JuJutsu the basic philosophy of JuJutsu(now Judo) is pull when pushed and push when pulled while the philosophy of Aiki itself is accept your attacker force by blending with him then redirect it back to him and apply your own force to make the attack more powerful so he can't resist it.Of course there are allot of other things like breaking your opponents balance,using hips etc. but that is the basic of Aiki.JuJutsu.
The trouble is, you cannot transition an art such as Daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu into traditioaal striking arts such as karate, due to the simple fact the art of Daito-ryu contains techniques designed to make karate and its punches completely useless no matter how good the person can aim. The idea to the Kata and then waza of aiki-jujutsu is to manipulate the persons aiki either through your own strength, or slapping them hard to destabilize their balance to allow you to throw them for a kill
greetings lynxSSJ...may i ask you some question...where did you practice some daito ryu techniques?...i apologize my rude quetion...but to understand such testimony could never understand the meaning and the spirit of the techinique...moreover...the aikijujutsu art...
NO you would not!!! :| my right foot hurts , my knee hurts(like hell) , my back hurts (like hell) ! And that's AFTER practice! Good think my forearms don't get so easily bruised this days!!! I've ben studying daito for about 3 months now..4 times a week ... 4-5 hours a day! And we're still doing the basics ! :)) kote mawashi, kote hineri etc! We're basically doing daito + aikido now..
Want to know what really makes the difference very few will tell you. Jutsu itself literally translates to "Skill" or "technique", so when you place "Jujutsu" together you get "Soft-technique". Now this may seem confusing. Now lets as you said go back to judo "Judo" translates to "The soft way", now this is not comparable to jujutsu on the basis that it is a mindset, and not a technique practice judo aims to master, compared to koryu systems where the jutsu is all that matters
Then you are seeking the true way. Few judo-ka even bother doing this anymore. Beware though, the second you change your techniques from sport, to lethal then your art is no longer a "Do" art, it is considered once again "Jutsu" and therefore combat purposed. The trouble is you may as well call it jujutsu then as its the same as calling kenjutsu, kendo when neither are alike. the Do arts seek to practice technique in a rather none lethal manner from what ive seen, compared to koryu
Hip throwing in Daito-ryu is more commonly used to drop a knife attacker through the use of it, and of course the kote-gasehi in the process. Judo again is a sport, so to compare it to jujutsu is rather foolish. The types of throws i see in judo are completely executed differently to those from daito-ryu. Such as the seoi-nage for example, in aiki-jujutsu you would rip his entire should out as you threw him, in judo you hold his gee the entire time. Daito-ryu is to kill.
I have to disagree, judo is very much a sport, from how is executes throws, to how it actually fights upon the ground. If i wanna be picky, id call judo, jujutsu without its dangerous waza. Why would i call it this, well its simple. If i asked a judo practitioner to perform a powerful throw from jujutsu which requires him to manipulate my wrist to do so, he will have no clue how to execute it safetly and thus will not attempt it. its night and day difference in systems.
Nope. Judo is a sport with rules and rounds. Their way of breaking someone's balance is too long and inefficient. No one will go and grab you as their first line of defense. In my place where knives are common, if they grab you, they want to stab you. Countering using judo is suicide.
Much of what Aikido is about aims at principles rather than applications. To that end, much of it looks contrived but, when practiced properly, leads to a much better understanding of how to compromise the opponents stability.
***** I agree. In fact, every real martial art is a collection of principles. Most of the time, you learn the principles indirectly, when you are doing the techniques (because you notice something similar between them), sometimes directly from the sensei (keep straight, face the direction you want to go, etc). I do Hakko ryu and there is really an emphasis on applying no force but principles that give you advantage on your opponment.
The way my perception goes. Judo has good theory and philosophy but it's application of that sucks. It's only a sport which says it's superior yet is inferior when attempted to execute.
That's great! I'm glad you took the opportunity he is definitely something to see. We only get that opportunity maybe once a year if we are lucky because my school is on the east coast and he only travels here once a year. We do have more regular seminars with Goldberg Sensei his senior student and Director of the east coast Kodokai. I've learned so much from him in the past few years. His training of my Sensei is such a benefit to us because our Sensei gets better all the time.
I don't train in daito ryu but rather in a style derived from daito ryu (hakkoryu). I had the privilege of taking a seminar from Kyama Sensei when I was just starting my training. He was amazing!
I'm no fan of aikido/aikijutsu, but it really does have quite a charm and aesthetic to its simplicity.
right on. In the end, its more the person than the art
I also get lot of questions from karate students when I am showing Tachi Gyaku Kote Gaeshi, saying that their other hand is free to punch me. They fail to see that during a demo or while learning, the techniques are done at slow speed in order to protect our partners. If the wrist is twisted at high speeds just to show the actual thing, it will snap & that would defeat the purpose of a practice session - which is to learn the proper technique, not to maim our fellow brothers. Thanks.
Aikijujutsu aims to harm the attacker and break their bones with the techniques.Aikido looks to not harm the attacker(which is why aikijutsu is more practical and better for self defense).The techniques differ as well.
well injuries can't be completely avoided, but restraint is necessary so as to decrease such instances. Ukemi has to be done properly or else u might end up bruising your shoulders or worse the cervical joints. Hence, doing it at slow speeds lets u know the dangers w/o seriously hurting urself & others.
@FearThisChannel this is a menostration of technique and not sparring. but demonstrating the technique in a perfect situation. But, if you dont mind having something dislocated by all means attempt a elbow agaist a skilled Aikijujutsu player. The secret to resisting a Aikijujutsu technique is not to resist.
floaton11 good for you. You found the best in the US. I am also a Kodokai member and have had the honor to train with Kiyama Sensei on one occasion. Good luck in your training.
For your information, the technique at 7:10, i-zori (backwards body drop), is also a sumo technique.
this is Arisawa Gunpachi shihan died in 2005, demonstrating techniques yonkajo.. and this is the unique and original daito ryu of tokimune takeda
no matter what style you do training with them will always rub off on you in a positive way
Hakkoryu is probably the most like Daito Ryu of the Daito Ryu derivitive styles so I'm sure you can see the similarities. It is very cool that your art practices healing arts though. That is something I would like to learn some day.
It's just a pure sport that works in a clinch. Forgetting everything that a street scenario could go wrong in that time. It's nothing like Daito ryu which opens the option before a clinch happens. Thus increasing reaction time.
@Bishop187mob Daito ryu jujutsu,Daito ryu aikijujutsu,Daito ryu aikijutsu,Daito ryu aikibudo,aiki no jutsu,aiki in yo ho......choose that you like better.
Ah,the right way to say "right" is "right" no "rite" ;).
Thanks for your enlightening comment.
Excellent!
Oyama never trained in standard jujitsu because there is no such thing.He trained in Judo with Masahiko Kimura.In the time Mas Oyama was growing up most jujitsu schools in Japan where banned or simply unpopular because they where affiliated with old Japanese warfare times when all honor was forgotten.He trained in Chinese Kempo,Shotokan and Goju Ryu before founding Kyokushin.
Both facianting and impressive.....one of these days I'll find some extra time to join a dojo and lean some of this.
So, did you? It's been 9 years since your declaration.
Techniques that are beautiful
yes kyokushin in this 2 tradtional karate including aiki jujutsu! check on wikipedia! :)
Plus I did mention that in a knife attack, the worst thing you possibly want to do is to turn your back, unless your timing is better than the best martial artist in history. Which strips all judo techniques down to a few sweep and throws. Nothing else works.
Very accurate comment Tora. The waza is the same but the application of it is definitely different in each faction. When applied by the so called "mainline" branch no disrespect but thats what they want to be called, they tend to use a more ju jutsu focused application due to the way Kondo interprets the waza. Kodokai style focuses much more on the instant aiki aspect and doesn't use much ju jutsu. Kodo was small, Kondo is a big guy, hence the interpretation. Both are effective.
I practiced in Bucharest...that's in romania :). I practice karate now though...:(
thank you.
that i am studiying was created by a Karateka and Judoka who later turned to Aikido.The Judoka was also a sumo wrestler so we study breaking balance prety much in every technique using leverage and our hips and especially leg movement.I heard that there are alot of bad dojos out there in which people don't learn even some basic things they could use in every day life.My opinion is that it all depends on the practitioner.I have seen good Judokas,Karatekas,Kick-Boxers..but also bad ones.
hola, ¿de donde eres? ¿practicas Dayto ryu o solo te gusta?
un video muy ilustrativo e interesante.
gracias
as with any technique you need to learn the technique with your training partner just feeding and not resisting or countering. That is later on down the road and also for sparring later down the road but you need to learn the technique and get it down first and learn attributes such as sensitivity, speed, timing, setting a technique up, and so on. Before you can run you ,must crawl. Newbies commenting dont understand this simple logic.
aikijujtsu ans aikido jujtsu are taught in japan on the battlefield all these can be used to kill harm or injure an attacker you can break bones with either one of these japanese martial arts but having that if you break anyones arm neck or leg its classed as assult,,,,, lol dont ask me why to be honest because i think it's ballocks but its UK law i guess to say they are attacking you....so this is why its used an holding method to apply pressure to there joints if they move apply it more ???
my question to DAITORYUDESHI.... yes your very true indeed it's good to show slow movements.... like you explained to show during demo or while your practicing with partners.... to stop injury ?
but you are gonna be so good lynx
The first real standardized jujutsu would be Judo or Kano Jujutsu as at was called before he founded the Kodokan(because he used different teachings from different schools and combined them) .Yes there where standard techniques that where used(mostly by the military)but you can't really call that standard jujutsu.For instance there was an institute strictly for newaza or ground techniques at the time that the Kodokan existed but it was shut down for being associated with nationalistic movement's
Well you should also tell them that if done right you are stepping off at an angle and moving in close which makes the punch a lot weaker.
I can attest to this as I do tradition based Jujutsu like this video, and I also fight MMA. In my last fight I was entering in while my opponent threw a hook punch and connected with my head. I didn't feel a thing. The only way I knew it hit me was because I saw it.
Aiki Jujutsu was definitely not for him.Aiki JuJutsu is a whole other part of JuJutsu the basic philosophy of JuJutsu(now Judo) is pull when pushed and push when pulled while the philosophy of Aiki itself is accept your attacker force by blending with him then redirect it back to him and apply your own force to make the attack more powerful so he can't resist it.Of course there are allot of other things like breaking your opponents balance,using hips etc. but that is the basic of Aiki.JuJutsu.
Sensei Richard Kim of San Francisco Ca
So, mas Oyama did this martial art?? This is where kyokushin karate was influence!!?
What's the different betwen aikijujutsu and aikido?, I watched both and aparently are the same.
The trouble is, you cannot transition an art such as Daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu into traditioaal striking arts such as karate, due to the simple fact the art of Daito-ryu contains techniques designed to make karate and its punches completely useless no matter how good the person can aim. The idea to the Kata and then waza of aiki-jujutsu is to manipulate the persons aiki either through your own strength, or slapping them hard to destabilize their balance to allow you to throw them for a kill
super tehnique
some one...please...!!!
what does the first word means?...
greetings lynxSSJ...may i ask you some question...where did you practice some daito ryu techniques?...i apologize my rude quetion...but to understand such testimony could never understand the meaning and the spirit of the techinique...moreover...the aikijujutsu art...
Lots of use of what Aikido calls Yonkyo - is this part of the Hiden Mokuroku Yonkajo?
NO you would not!!! :| my right foot hurts , my knee hurts(like hell) , my back hurts (like hell) ! And that's AFTER practice! Good think my forearms don't get so easily bruised this days!!! I've ben studying daito for about 3 months now..4 times a week ... 4-5 hours a day! And we're still doing the basics ! :)) kote mawashi, kote hineri etc! We're basically doing daito + aikido now..
No , kyokushin bore its roots from shotokan and goju-ryu .
shotokan karate would work
Want to know what really makes the difference very few will tell you. Jutsu itself literally translates to "Skill" or "technique", so when you place "Jujutsu" together you get "Soft-technique". Now this may seem confusing. Now lets as you said go back to judo "Judo" translates to "The soft way", now this is not comparable to jujutsu on the basis that it is a mindset, and not a technique practice judo aims to master, compared to koryu systems where the jutsu is all that matters
Then you are seeking the true way. Few judo-ka even bother doing this anymore. Beware though, the second you change your techniques from sport, to lethal then your art is no longer a "Do" art, it is considered once again "Jutsu" and therefore combat purposed. The trouble is you may as well call it jujutsu then as its the same as calling kenjutsu, kendo when neither are alike. the Do arts seek to practice technique in a rather none lethal manner from what ive seen, compared to koryu
different of.....?
Hip throwing in Daito-ryu is more commonly used to drop a knife attacker through the use of it, and of course the kote-gasehi in the process. Judo again is a sport, so to compare it to jujutsu is rather foolish. The types of throws i see in judo are completely executed differently to those from daito-ryu. Such as the seoi-nage for example, in aiki-jujutsu you would rip his entire should out as you threw him, in judo you hold his gee the entire time. Daito-ryu is to kill.
This is extremely ineffective; at 3.14 you can clearly see that the other arm could still mean an elbow to the face.
I have to disagree, judo is very much a sport, from how is executes throws, to how it actually fights upon the ground. If i wanna be picky, id call judo, jujutsu without its dangerous waza. Why would i call it this, well its simple. If i asked a judo practitioner to perform a powerful throw from jujutsu which requires him to manipulate my wrist to do so, he will have no clue how to execute it safetly and thus will not attempt it. its night and day difference in systems.
not really :) ..i'm practicing karate now :D
the rite way to say is aikijutsu
Nope. Judo is a sport with rules and rounds. Their way of breaking someone's balance is too long and inefficient. No one will go and grab you as their first line of defense. In my place where knives are common, if they grab you, they want to stab you. Countering using judo is suicide.
looks very similar to Fudoshin Ryu.
with all due respect to aikido, these attacks are very predictable and compliant to the opponent, I have doubts
It's not aikido but aikijutsu. The defenses are very simple and effective opposed to aikido which is a budo (and not a koryu).
Much of what Aikido is about aims at principles rather than applications. To that end, much of it looks contrived but, when practiced properly, leads to a much better understanding of how to compromise the opponents stability.
***** I agree. In fact, every real martial art is a collection of principles. Most of the time, you learn the principles indirectly, when you are doing the techniques (because you notice something similar between them), sometimes directly from the sensei (keep straight, face the direction you want to go, etc). I do Hakko ryu and there is really an emphasis on applying no force but principles that give you advantage on your opponment.
*****
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shut up you stupid douchebag cause it could probably work on u
The way my perception goes. Judo has good theory and philosophy but it's application of that sucks. It's only a sport which says it's superior yet is inferior when attempted to execute.