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I am almost 6 years late, but what an incredible season and consistent performance by FlaSh. Can't give enough shoutouts to Tastosis for the best English casting in the business. Tasteless and Artosis are why I love watching these seasons.
years later i can see how flash is so good and makes his opponents that much better when they face him. Hopefully he comes back.
Winning only one game vs Flash must feel like a win in and of itself. And they way Hero won was by brute force! You can see it in Flash's play that he was rattled!
@@odinian6244 Hell yeah. Awesome games to watch.
That was a great series. Flash plays at such a high level that I can see why some people would call this "boring"... it's almost like the game is imbalanced in his favor. That said, that game 3 was absolutely amazing. Hero's comeback reminded me once again why this game is more than just a game, and is still going strong 20 years later. And also why it's not always about winning or losing - but about the heart with which you fight. And Hero showed a lot of heart in that game, and in this series. He gets a medal in my book. Great commentary from Tastetosis, too. Thanks for upload.
Almost cried on your post. Very inspirational and emotional
@@user-tm4br8pf3n That's awesome! I love writing and think I have a knack for it, it's always wonderful to hear when people are inspired by it. Brood War is a beautiful game.
@@kevinswift8654 You didnt detect the trolling vibe dont you :D? But yeah brood war is an awesome game :)
@@user-tm4br8pf3n oh well that's a shame :(
@@kevinswift8654 sorry didnt mean to heart your feelings. But your post seemed way too emotional :). Have a nice evening
I salute Hero, great 3rd game.
Flash is imba. But I love him. Been a hero to me for coming up on 10 years now. Such a ferocious, solid, and amazing player to watch. What a blast this was to watch.
I really like these two guys commentating!! So much energy
Thank you for quality reupload !
How can you say this series was boring? Game 3 chilled me to my toes. I honestly did not expect the drops to do much, and then suddenly it turns out herO can completely stupefy Flash's godly macro by just rallying Zerglings into all his bases. It was amazing.
Not that bad indeed, but IMO Bisu game for the 3rd place was amazing.
Well, it was obvious that drops were the way to go. Somehow this "professional" completely forgot about plagues and the fact, that disrupting macro of the best macro-terran in the world is the key to victory...
that game was good, but the rest were washes
It was boring because the final result was never in question at any point in time.
GAME 1 - 36:45
GAME 2 - 1:01:45
GAME 3 - 1:25:35
GAME 4 - 1:57:35
GAME 5 - 2:15:49
a place is SC heavens is reserved for you :)
Good lad. Cheers.
PFworth i
Don't forget:
Smooch - 2:25:30
@@odinian6244actually that's like half a minute later
Really enjoyed game 3! Great season!
Awesome, thanks Afreeca!
Omg tastosis is back.... Thank God
This was my favourite season of all the ASLs
They are all awesome though
Amazing series! You don't see Flash, or any Korean players brag a lot, but this was well deserved!
It's maybe a little bit boring that Flash wins all the time but he's just that good! And we know now that new players would rise to the podium. I believe Flash forever be number one, however
1:33:55 Flash is so good it's getting scary
2:23:35 Flashs winning ceremony is so outrageous, that even the frames can't keep up. The frame rate tries to rush him in a desperate move!!!
This made me smile
One of the most important moments in esport history, but the best part was the award ceremony thanks to tasteless :D
"I only wish Flash would watch me play, be disappointed in my starcraft abilities and then hit my knuckels with that ruler. That would be just the dream!"
Whoops never knew that herO played Zerg in Brood War! Brood War is honestly much more exciting then any SC2 games ive seen. Been blessed to have old VODs to watch! Go Starcraft Remastered!
But hero in sc1 is not the same hero as the one in sc2.
Damn... it’s such a treat to see Reach again
Anyone know if theres any more broodwar this year? Any pro tournaments left or is it just asl? Also is there a foreign scene to broodwar yet? I would love to see that take place
just go to Teamliquid.net
tournaments every week and alot of helpful dudes if you ask.
ofcourse not on the level of asl though
Two pimpest plays this set:
herO's drop and relentless aggression comeback, and Flash's ramp lurker bust. That stuff was some premium vintage SlayerS BoxeR stuff.
never seen flash completely dismantled in that third game on his own strategy like that. Maybe there is a way to out macro him after all
Does anyone know what song was playing when herO won over Flash?
49:07 - "hey you might wanna see if our voice is still going ou---"
plase, where can I see this ending with the comments in Korean.
Looking back at this. Game 3 is one of the best games.
Oh absolutely, Flash was a bit bewildered there. The whole match though, extremely well played by both.
The drops worked mainly because Flash was overextending. Hero hit a good timing. Notice how Flash's lead seemed to snowball just before the drop, for seemingly no good reason. This was not because of Flash's macro, it was because he went for a super economical strategy, and I suppose also Hero was turtling and expanding slowly. Now we know that he was planning for a doom drop. This strategy was probably pre-planned to an extent and Flash played into his hands. Terran don't do well when they're spread out thin and on the defense. Doom drops is a good strategy in the matchup, but it's not the solution to ZvT.
Good video!
Ghost in the rain to finish this was absolutely perfect , the signature song is electric romeo btw
herO re-ca-liberated Flash that one game, fantastic finale! Season 5 can't come soon enough.
I'm really impressed at how well Hero fought back in game 1. Almost every other player would have lost 4 times over that match
Very true!
You misread the game. He didn't fight back - he just didn't wanna GG, and Flash chose a build that wasn't supposed to finish him off instantly (if it was supposed to win instantly, he would have skipped the Starport and gone with multiple barracks or factories).
But there was absolutely no fighting chance for Hero. Flash had Vessel out before his lair was finished and was up twice the supply most of the game. You could have replaced Flash with pretty much any other top-50 Terran, and Hero would still have lost against at least 90% of them from that deficit.
Only way to make a comeback from such a deficit is with Dark Swarm, and that was at least 5 minutes away.
@@Athinira Oh for sure. I never meant that Hero had a chance, I was just impressed how long Hero survived against vultures and marines with only drones and the worst opener against what Flash was doing. Other players would would have lost all their workers and wouldn't have their hydra den started. But you're right, it had a lot to do with Flash being conservative after taking that lead
@@Sapreme Yeah, i guess we just have a different opinion on what "fighting back" means then. To me, it implies that you turn a bad position into one where you have a somewhat decent fighting chance. Hero never really had here - once Flash was ready, he pretty much just a-moved to victory :-)
(also sorry for the late reply, i know it's been 2 years since your post)
When your greed cheese is hard countered by an aggro cheese, it's just checkmate. Hero should have GGd as fast as allowed instead of allowing Flash to play with him.
I tried to watch this live on AfreecaTV and the only English stream I could find was a guy translating, not Tastetosis. IDK what I was doing wrong but it makes me sad I couldn't find them.
www.afreecatv.com/aslenglish for the future
why was this season's prize pool significantly higher than the other seasons, is it because it's the first season for remastered?
It's comical how many trophies, pins, flowers, and giant checks he gets during the awards ceremony.
Flash is from another planet
what is the story behind golden ruler?
54:15 Reach!!! Mantoss!!!
36:41 game start
PS - At some point during this series Tastetosis were talking about that little squeezy ball that you keep next to your computer for stress relief. For whatever reason they couldn't think of the word for it and just decided that it doesn't have one in English. Well, the word is "stress ball". You're welcome. :)
pretty sure they were talking about those clamps, not a ball per se. Like those things that you put on the end of the weights on a bench press bar, its got a metal coil between two grips. They might just be called grips.
It's so funny to read these 3-year-old comments about how terran is OP. Yeah, vultures are op, scan is op, tanks are op as well. And plague, dark swarm, consume, mutas, cracklings, recall, stasis, DTs, storms, mind control etc. are completely fair tools in comparison with "free mines". Lol. We could see how terran is op in last ASL seasons.
Until you start playing this game and realize how hard it's to play this game
2:14:25 Flash zips up his zipper, lol.
every time i look at the supply difference it hurts
Game 3 is the biggest comeback I've ever seen in brood war
I don't think Hero was too far behind at any moment. Even after he made the 8 lings, that was not all-in, he was droning already even before the SCV spotted them.
At worst, he got 50 supply behind, which is surmountable with a solid 3rd and defiler. Before that, the tank push failed. Barely, but it failed thanks to muta switch. And the other winning move was the scourges to take out the dropship then absorb turret shots for the overlords. What Hero did was crazy hard because it's Flash, but he was never really far behind imo.
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flash will play another race ?
can someone please explain to me why in the RO.16 has more zergs than RO.24
top 4 from previous tournaments have direct play through to the ro.16 of the current one. Same for the GSL
LOVE YOU FLASH
holy sound in the second game
Ok, it's getting a little bit ridiculous with Flash wins :D In my opinion though, the problem is not the balance of the game as many are arguing. I can agree that when played absolutely perfectly, Terran has some advantages in some situations (nicely listed in other comments). But that shouldn't be possible in a game like SCR, playing perfectly I mean. And it is also balanced by Terran being the most difficult race to execute in the game. At high pro level the game is more about who makes less mistakes than actual races as I see it (of course maps and strategy play some role too, by having better strategy you can get ahead without making less mistakes).
That's where Flash comes in. He plays the potentially strongest race, makes almost no mistakes and his execution/macro/micro is always spot on. If Terran was really imba then you'd have lots of Terrans at the top. Which is not the case. You just have Flash at the top who makes playing the hardest race in the hardest game look easy. You have to realize that no one is able to do what he does and that is kinda amazing!
But for me it makes watching StarLeague less fun, for example I only watched the first two maps of this final series because then it was clear which way it would go.
zerg is a bit too weak though. supply difference is ridiculous
@@2ndintelligentWorld you think zerg is weak because of the supply difference in this finals? lol
Tasteless voice is hardly recognizable by the end and he soldiered on haha. StarCraft forever!
Song at 1:45:40?
Ingame music so loud this ASL finals
Te Jon cuan
Wait, flash still plays sc2?
Edit: never mind, must be drunk :O
59:30 music?????
how many times he is gonaa win jjj wauu
holy macaroni macrel canoli, awesome final !
Why does flash hold water in his mouth like that? I wonder if it is to force himself to breathe through his nose at the start? The calmer you are, the more your imagination and higher cognative skills are accessable.
"A different race?! I'm I hearing this correctly?!"
Saw him playing Protoss on stream on ladder with a 2 probe handicap. It's scary.
QUE ES LO QUE GRITAN LA CHAVA Y LOS CHAVOS AL INICIO DE CADA RONDA? GRACIAS !
The only weakness in Flash, is Flash himself. And he has no weaknesses
isnt that a contradiction?
yes.
Flash is a contradiction
one word. Effort.
Such insane finals but skull map is just fucked in some ways but what bw map isnt, thats how the map is balanced with maps.
hehe funny how they pre-made a trophy for Flash, knowing there was no way he could lose. The 3time "only one God" trophy he got.
Moving apm away from minerals was a good choice. So confusing trying to watch like this
How much did he win? In USD money
Divide korean currency by 1000 and you have your answer.
0:48...what is that song? plis tell me
Hollywood Undead - Your Life
aka worst song in asl5
Around 1:00:17 what is up with the T_T ?? Pretty funny reflection-
It's why Flash has that twitch, he practices with full strobe light sun mode blasting his corneas even while he sleeps.
haha i see it :D
If flash race switch and win asl 5 im gonna loose my shit
Why is he making all these zerglings? Hydras?! Where are the mutas?! These games are wild.
Game 1 is cruel.
Man I don't even recognise Sharp here now
Pre-Yogi sharp
Flash would have won the Korean war by now
Neeeeeeerds
We got screwed out of the final we wanted to see. As soon as Hero beat Larva to advance to the finals, there was really no point in watching anymore.
Flash is great until he face Jangbi (Protoss). Jangbi is the only player who always defeats Flash and not even acknowledged for that.
Jangbi is a great player but they have exactly a 50/50 record against each other, he didn't always defeat him
Top of the world FlaSh
Hola amigos, hace un tiempo estamos haciendo videos de batallas interesantes en Starcraft remasterizado y comentandolas en español. Seria genial si se pueden dar una vuelta por el canal y darnos algo de feedback sobre los videos. Muchas gracias.
Done. Watching your vids man. Spanish, latinos or spanish speakers that are interested in Broodwar? Got my vote :)
Linkxownzall, actually, I look all these in english cause they're not in spanish. Off course, Artosis, Tasteless and Rapid (yes, Rapid, such agood guy, he's learning) are great, but spanish BW? Neat.
Viejo, si hacen las ASL y luego comienzan desde Averatec sería genial. Siguiendo el canal, apoyando la remasificación de la vuelta de Starcraft, ¡éxito!
Muchas gracias Cristian Donoso, te comento que hay un buen caster qué comenta la ASL en español, su canal es "José SC". La idea es fortalecer la comunidad de Starcraft en español 💪
When Flash found out he wouldn't have to play Larvae he probably didn't even practice for the Finals
Maurice D i dont think larva would have won either flash is another level but i agree with you lol
lol larva easy 3-0 for flash. only one who would have had a good chance was effort
That's why I think all previous ZvZ in this season were like a lottery, and absolutely boring to watch. I might be all wrong, but Soulkey overall is better Zerg. And imho better than JD (at least in this season).
all i know is that flash scrimz a lot with effort and more often than not gets shit on.
the games I've watched with flash and larvae more often than not go back and forth....at either rate....zero was a gimme....
59:44 Rap Gods in the background with the music
hahahahaha 2:22:00 ceremony is so troll
1:13:30 start hitting the layer Kappa
OOOONE SECOND
That first game was disgusting
뺏지여태우승한거 다박으면 바지까지ㅋㅋㅋㅋ박겟다
Okay this is no longer fun.
when you look back at the play here - from 2021 - the terran play is just on another level to what we have now. crypto scandal is a scandal for sure, but flash is on another level to any other sc player of all time
LMAO @ 43:00
이제동 보고싶다
장기풍 기풍님이당 ㅎㅎ -3-
The stereotyped innocent contemporaneously rinse because wrecker progressively force onto a abiding stopsign. alike, stimulating gold
This is where you see why starcraft 2 is garbage. If a player like flash cant compete in that game, it must be wrong.
u cant play sc2 vs new gosu ? ok no problem . Play the game no want play anymore :))))))
SC1 > SC2 ;)
lowkey praying for a terran nerf cause you sick of flash wrecking fools
dandele123 this shit couldn't be more predictable, boring and monotonous than it already is.
No, it's so balanced right now. The fact it's the same person winning every year and that it wasn't a TvT shows it must be purely skill
I just hope someone better than Flash emerges. Its kind of boring now.
It boggled my mind how the zerg saw, that drop gave him HUGE advantage in game three and he didn't do it in other games. It's fucking amusing how you can literally drop 4 lings and 2 defilers into terran base, plague the shit out of terran building in seconds and literally forget about the siege, because terran won't be able to recuperate from this. Yet somehow zergs just don't give a fuck. It was so OBVIOUS that drops were the go to strategy and it was completely ignored. I just cannot wrap my head around it. After the drop was successful, hero just spammed lings, because I bet his brain was already fried from the fact that he did something useful.
First game is mind bogglign as well. Cancel the fucking hatch, make 1-2 sunkens, 1 spore and power up on these 2 bases to reclaim your third. Dude is a professional yet he gambled like he's not playing starcraft, but a casino. Same stupid shit as first game of Larva vs Bisu.
herO could've won that. Not easily, but zergs should start dropping terran bases a lot more. And start using the goddamn plague! So frustrating to watch such talented player ommiting one tactic and losing solely because of that.
I kinda agree. I don't know how he managed to win the 3rd game, I have watched it 3 times already. Flash probably just relaxed a bit after 2 victories. IMO, Soulkey should be there instead. I really disliked the way Soulkey dropped out because of these boring ZvZ fights. Pure lottery, imo. Flash, Bisu, Soulkey - gold, silver, bronze.
He couldn't even secure a third in any of the games he lost. He did not choose to not get defilers. He simply wasn't able to survive until he reached the tech. Defiler tech and drops are definitely powerful, but getting there is very difficult, especially against Flash of all players. He died at points where those aren't even options yet.
"So frustrating to watch such talented player ommiting one tactic and losing solely because of that." Really?
That drop in game 3 gave him a huge advantage due to the timing of it, as he was switching from bio to mech, it was pretty close to perfect.
Hero couldn't get a third up in any of the games he lost due to flashes pressure, how the fuck he supposed to get hive, ling upgrades, lurkers, defilers and upgrades and drop upgrades on 2 base and not get completely outmacro'd by the best macro terran in the game.
Yeah I'm sure you know better than the zergs making a living playing this game "duurrr jus drop lings in terra base GG EZ"
your analysis of the first game is awful. He DID cancel the hatch, and made a sunk. more sunks would not have helped, and only would have put him farther behind than he already was from having to cancel an almost done hatchery. making spores would have crippled his economy to the point where he might have well gg'ed at that point. yes these players make mistakes, but to pretend that you understand the game better than them is pure arrogance. if you can so easily win with drops as zerg, id like to see you take out flash (not gonna happen in a million years bro)
I agree. I completely missed the cancel on hatch. Spores were a thing he needed imo. Wraiths completely wrecked him and for a reason unknown to me, he was running in circles with drones for a LOOONG time. I don't pretend to understand the game better than everyone else. I know it that I will never be as good as them, but I can always comment on stuff. Your last sentence is as big pile of shit as my analysis of first game, lul. It just makes no sense. It's like saying to anyone "if you know better, show it" which is pretty simplistic and stupid. Anyways. Given that we two are stupid in our own ways, and can go back to commenting, he could drop in 2 other games, he just didn't do it. He deliberately choose not to do it. I guess it was an immense amount of stress, pretty similar to what happened to Bisu - and it's not just me saying that. FlaSh himself on his stream said, that Bisu was stressed out and you could've seen that in his games vs FlaSh. herO was under way bigger pressure, so I guess it explains a lot.
BTW - please take comments with a grain of salt - everyone is different, can have a bad/good day etc. ;)
Those commentators are sometimes so annoying, I just wish they would shut up.
bring back rapid
Rapid was a blast in the last match. I actually prefer him over Tasteless sometimes.
Stim is just way too OP. If medics didn't exist stim would be fine but there's no reason why tier 1 Terran units should even be able to compete with, much less BEAT tier 3 zerg units.
Why are there SO many dominant Terran players through the years?
Boxer
Iloveoov
Nada
Fantasy
Flash
Light
Terran is just completely OP.
Scans are OP, buildings being able to be built anywhere and lift off is OP. Vultures are just stupid OP for 75 minerals.
Tanks are a 2nd tier unit and just annihilate everything. Why are terran tier 1 and 2 stronger than zerg and protoss tier 3 units?
Terran is OP...
Yea, well said. Terran is such cheating OP race. Vulture can kill zealots and zerglings way too easily and they cost only 75 minerals. Their spider mines are also so OP as well. Bunker repair with multiple/unlimited SCVs is also so fucking OP. It's like having a cannon or Sunken that never dies. Stack all SCVs and repair a bunker. It reaches max hp in two seconds.
Terran is also the only race with 3 different stealth detection; Comsat Scan, Missile Turrets and Science Vessel. Science Vessel is so OP as well. Irradicate can kill high tier units like Ultra and Lurker easily. And their EMP is so OP. Gets rid of entire shields of Protoss unit with one click? That is so OP. It's like losing half of life already. And Tanks are the most overpowered unit of all. Does too much damage with too long of a range. They need to nerf the tanks a little. Have less range and little less damage in Siege mode. Golithes are also OP as hell. They are pretty cheap to make and yet, their anti-air is too powerful. Golithes can easily kill top tier unit like Guardian which is so bs and OP. Their anti air missile is like on roids or some shit. And Ghost is also OP against Protoss. One cheap unit of Ghost can literally take on a Carrier because of Lockdown.
I can go on forever but I'll stop here. Blizzard favors Terran the most. They were on crack or roids when they were making the Terran race. They need to nerf the F out of Terran in SC1 and SC2 asap.
360p what the fuck
Mitchell Christie oh come on theres 1 like u everytime..youtube is processing..480 720 etc. Will come soon
lol another lame finals. Season 1 was awesome finals though.