Emma Debates Caller About Circumcision
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2023
- This caller REALLY wants to talk about circumcision.
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Calling from an international number plus nine one plus nine one I think I'm picking up your call. Who's this? Where are you calling from? If you can hear me, yes this is from India again. Oh and yes from India. Hi, how are you? How are you? yeah so well you know why I called in. So the last time I called you mentioned about well I mentioned things and you mentioned some things in return, right? yes. I think that's how it went. yeah, so the point your point was that the net overall it's not well it's not bad against men right that was your point. I'm sorry. Overall. That is the word that American society is not structured in a way that is biased against men. Yes, that was my point. yeah, so I disagree with that. I know. I would like to mention. Yes. I would like to mention another issue I mean maybe I can convince you that despite the abortion thing. Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Overall it is worth going ahead yeah so yeah yeah you know about circumcision. I've heard of it, yes. yeah, so it's genital mutilation, right? I guess in the technical sense. So overall I mean that does imply I mean that's a big deal. So does circumcision make sexual intercourse painful for men after that happens? I think that's sort of the only issue. I mean and what is the issue? Because you know that for females the moment it does happen in the world the clitoris is sometimes chopped off? Sorry to get a little graphic with you. And the women's organs reproductive I don't want to get too graphic here but they are their pleasure Center for Sex is removed from their body through surgery. And then sex is incredibly painful. So there is really no analogy between male and female circumcision. Yeah I mean you never fail to complain about female genital mutilation and other third-world countries. Meanwhile, your own country has this problem. Well I mean I don't think it's a problem. The reason the system you don't think circumcision and male genital mutilation is a problem but female genital mutilation is a problem correct? Well because one of the general mutilations causes very a lot of pain and the other one makes it a tiny bit less pleasurable to have sex. And it doesn't really have an effect on their lives.
Why are they pro circumcision? I understand it's not as bad as female circumcision but just because something isn't as bad as something else does not mean it is good. It is mutilating a child's body without their consent.
because it's "religious and cultural freedom", and criticizing such things is forbidden in liberal (and unfortunately nowadays in many left) spaces, unless only CHUDs do it. But if anybody whom the CHUDs hate does it then we have to be for it and defend it no matter what, or doggedly ignore it and insist that it's not a real problem. See: any Leftist discourse on the rights of women or LGBTQ+ people in the Islamic world.
female circumcision is the same (cut off the hood) you mean the other types of Female Genital Mutilation which are very prevalent
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She said it should be banned in this video. She was just antagonistic to the callers grievance trolling.
She said it was more hygienic to be circumcised. That's literally 1950's American propaganda. She's just wrong on this topic.
To be fair, non medically necessary circumcision of infants is barbaric.
I don't remember any of it, I must be blocking the trauma
@@tomservo5007 "My genitals were mutilated so others should have it happen to them too!"
@@Top_Weeb not the argument that is being made
Agreed
Tell it to the Mayo clinic, which has outlined some medical benefits and found no down sides.
I am vigorously against Circumcision or any genital mutilation on Children who can’t consent
Girls love it, you wouldn't know, incel.
that includes earrings?
@@tomservo5007 If the kid don’t want earrings, yeah, don’t force it on them. Seems like pretty simple logic
@@tomservo5007 FYI, ears are not genitals.
So gender affirming care as well i hope
Emma you are way off base on this one. You don't need to compare it against FGM, you need to compare it against simply not doing the procedure. In that light, it's obviously wrong. Babies should not undergo cosmetic surgery, period.
Except it’s not just cosmetic. You’re misrepresenting the procedure.
@@diggysoze2897 It's primarily cosmetic. The health benefits are minimal and could be self selected by adults if they wanted to benefit from them.
I would definitely walk back my comments regarding male circumcisions if I were the MR crew. This was a violently American point of view
Violent, stupid, and unnecessary, it was a Really bad take... However, in some regions of the US, like the West Coast, more parents chose Not to circumsize than DO. In NYC where TMR is, it's very common however. Big regional & cultural differences. It's increasingly falling out of favor. Another 2 generations it will be a minority of male infants that are forced to experience it.
I don't think I would ever advocate for circumcision at all.
Absolutes like that are rarely the answer. While I don't think that the practice should be adopted without cause- not to be too graphic, but my dick was too thick for my foreskin to be able to stretch properly over the head when erect, and was already causing observable pain (and potentially trauma) with the erections that infants have. I am glad that an intervention was made when otherwise there would have been both damage and potential disfigurement (due to restricted growth of the head during puberty).
@@sophiophile best fucking humble brag I've seen in my entire life.
What really confuses me is that this guy doesn't support women's rights because... circumcision? I'm circumcized and I'm against the practice, but it has no bearing at all on the greater issue of gender equality. This young Indian dude is really reaching.
@@IndigoVagrant From his English language proficiency (and country code for the phone), I don't think he can be basing his arguments on gender equality in North America on first-hand exposure. Without context of where information he trusts comes from, it's hard to infer much about his beliefs. It would be more interesting (although I'm sure I would disagree with him) if he found himself a translator for the calls.
@@IndigoVagrant he just wants to play whataboutism
Circumcision on babies should be illegal in the US. PERIOD.
It should be your choice when you're an adult if it's really important to you.
It's a wicked thing to do.
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Religious freedom.
@@choccolocco exactly. Religious freedom.
I can choose to be a Jew. And offer the best part of my penis to Yahweh.
But no one has the right to make that choice FOR me.
so if it becomes illegal what do you think of the people who have been Circumcised should they all just kill themselves because according to you they are monsters ?
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@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Are you an insane person?
Circumcision IS genital mutilation, no matter how you slice it (pun intended). It's shocking that it's considered normal in the US, and considering how widespread it is, I think it's unfair to be so dismissive. AND this caller is full of s#!t.
100 percent agree. Perfectly put.
but its not a form of male discrimination. That was the topic of the call.
@@buckiesmalls it's no more or less "discriminatory" than female circumcision. One causes worse effects, but both are completely insane, seeing its done to nonconsenting immature people on the basis of other people's religious beliefs
@@mbburry4759 Whos is circumcising girls when they are born in the us? We are talking about a choice and being forced by laws. The callers claim was that male are more discriminated against than females.
@@mbburry4759 I mean, if you wanna look at it from the alleged "discriminatory" point of view it's men who came up with and impose both these practices: FGM and circumcision.
How on earth do you bungle your response so badly that *this caller* ends up looking like the more reasonable side of the argument?
Bradly comes off a simp, saying he has no problem masturbating. How can he make a statement about sensitivity and pleasure reduction when he's never had a forskin and cannot empirically compare.
@@dwaynebruny a simp who is clueless about childhood trauma
Why wouldnt he look more reasonable? I imagine most callers debating majority report are more reasonable.
It's just wrong to make permanent changes to someone's body without their consent.
So doing surgery to a baby to remove a cancerous tumor is wrong
@@SteveWormuth obviously not since cancer is harmful
@@SteveWormuth this is such an incredibly stupid argument, it's mind-boggling. In what way are they comparable?
@@SteveWormuth pedantry is tiresome and makes people dislike you.
@@SteveWormuth
Jesus fucking Christ you people scare me. I’ll say it’s wrong to rape someone and youll start debating how consent works.
First off, babies (regardless of sex) having their genitals disfigured with no anesthesia is as barbaric as it sounds...and Emma made it sound like it was no big deal for male babies. Another of her male cohorts asks the caller if he is circumcised (why? how is it relevant?), and then claims that since he doesn't remember the pain, it's all good. This is specious/anecdotal reasoning. Circumcision is indeed genital mutilation, and while it is not mandatory anymore, doctors continue to recommend it with false claims of protection against STDs. If you want anecdotes, I'll tell you what happened when my son was born in 2006. The doctors were prepared to do the circumcision by default. When my wife and I got wind of it, we had to tell them specifically not to circumcise our son. Sorry, this video was a fucking trainwreck. Normally agree with Emma and Sam on plenty of stuff....but this is sensitive issue and Emma's cavalier demeanor really upset me.
I fully agree with you.
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Yeah, her lack of research on this topic is really evident and full of bingo card moments for anyone who has spent ten minutes looking into the issue of routine infant male circumcision in the US. It’s evident that this is an issue of bodily autonomy that in the US affects male infants specifically, and Emma’s entire take is almost purposefully obtuse. No doctor in the USA is routinely mutilating female infants on their birth, and it doesn’t invalidate international FGM to acknowledge that the US fails men on this issue. 🙄
The same happened with my son. They were going to circumcise him by default and I got really pissed and told the doctor "Hell no, that's his penis, don't y'all dare." They may have done it without anyone's consent if we weren't paying attention and by that point, after a very long labor and emergency c section, we were both exhausted.
I think you and others miss Emma's point. She agrees it's mutilation - but not on the same level as female circumcision. They are completely different. Yes, they are both mutilation and I agree on that principled argument. But unlike female circumcision, it has no long-term effects. The foreskin that is removed doesn't create a permanent biological problem, whereas the clitoral removal does. One is the removal of a flap of skin that is not a key reproductive organ, the other is a key reproductive organ and not only creates a permanent halt to sexual pleasure but makes sex painful, forever for the woman. The two types of mutilation are distinctly different because of this. One evolved from the Jewish tradition that was health-based (perhaps misguided, but with good intent), whereas the other evolved from the very beginning as a way for men to permanently control women's lives - with no good intent, other than thinking it right and good that men should always dominate women. One was ostensibly a health/medical act, the other was an extreme political act from the get-go. The removal of the male foreskin was not considered mutilation for thousands of years because it was considered akin to cutting and removing the placenta - an unnecessary flap of skin. It only became recognized as mutilation in recent years. Emma's larger point was that she is OK with outlawing circumcision, and because it's had negligible effect on society, the caller was pressed and unable to make his argument that men are more deprived of rights than women. Women are deprived of MANY rights and privileges in our society, while optional circumcision that has no actual biological harm was the ONLY example the caller could make for his woefully weak argument comparing male and female rights and privileges in our society. I'm sorry but if you don't get that as the primary point Emma is making than you're not really listening to her.
Sorry Emma. I usually agree with you, but this is an unnecessary procedure that a child has no say over. It's wrong.
Signed,
A circumcised man
The call was about male discrimination though. Whether we should let parents DECIDE to have there boys circumcised is another discussion all together. Id wager she would be against mandatory circumcisions.
@@buckiesmalls Children's bodily autonomy is not up for their parents to decide.
@@Top_Weeb I agree.. I can separate that from what the actual topic was. I am circumcised and made the CHOICE I had to not for my child. Again the call was about male discrimination and how its just as bad as female discrimination. Did you listen the caller's previous call? The only ones "discriminating" against males in the situation are the parents, mostly for religious reasons.
@@buckiesmalls I keep seeing you defend circumcision on this video.
@@Top_Weeb Nope I have not. Show me... I mean hell, in my comment just above yours I said " I am circumcised and made the CHOICE I had to not for my child." Just because I may say circumcision is not a relevant argument for the callers topic, is not "defending it" People need to learn how to compartmentalize topics, when concerning debates. JUST STAY ON TOPIC. Seems people these day are so easily distracted.... "Look squirrel!!!" over 👉
"If you don't remember it's not a big deal," ....Bill Cosby
Maybe some MR members need to experience that to comprehend their stupidity.
"He won't remember it" is a terrible excuse to justify the unnecessary genital cutting of a baby. And you have grown an ass adults unironically using this argument.
Male circumcision isn't nearly as bad as female circumcision but to say it's not a problem is pretty gross and rhetorically bad.
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I would say both are pretty bad. 10 percent of boys have to have revision surgeries each year, just to fix complications from circ. There are many websites explaining the long term complications that can happen with being circumcised, such as meatal stenosis, chafing issues, etc.
Also some forms of FGM are less invasive, than circumcision of boys. The most common form is pin prick.
But is isn't a problem.
@@tgs1766 Violating bodily autonomy, no matter how small, is a problem.
100% seems kind of dismissive. Just bc the child doesn’t remember the pain doesn’t mean it didn’t have an impact
A great example of how cultural acceptance of infant genital mutilation leads people from the culture to minimize any impacts and defend their obviously stupid position. The problem is that none of the circumcised people ever had a choice, mutilation of a childs body in any way should be illegal, and if you want to get circumcised as an adult you should be free to do so
This
1000%. I would like to invite Emma to the “circumcision table” at the hospital, complete with leather straps to hold the newborn down, and hear her defense. We all know she would defend it anyway. So disgusting.
Disclaimer: I’m a woman, and not a parent. But medically, at birth a child will not remember the circumcision. They will, however, remember all the hospitalizations that occur when bacteria gets stuck and causes UTIs. Maybe it’s barbaric, but in America a lot of parents simply can’t afford all the bills that come with bringing the child to the hospital to take care of their infections. I’m not suggesting one way or the other, but if you’re advocating for no circumcision, maybe you should also be advocating for universal healthcare?
@@kayleepauley2160 sorry but that is absolute nonsense. Very few men outside of a handful of countries across the world do not circumcise boys, and no one is having lots of infections. I grew up in the UK and i assure you that is just not happening. simple good hygiene practices, just like you would do for any other part of your body, work just fine.
@@kayleepauley2160 The chance of getting a UTI for infant males is 1%. And the chance of getting them because of circumcision or non-circumcision are a really small percent of that. Let's please not be that disingenuous.
The whole world cleans their uncircumcised penises just fine. If being an uncircumcised American male makes it so much worse, then America has a problem.
I love the show but Emma and the crew are just plain 100% wrong about this one.
💯%. Waaaaay wrong
My thoughts exactly. It would have been so easy to concede the callers point and say that all noncosentual genital mutilation is bad while also showing that the caller did not have other examples.
Instead they literally came off as defending child mutilation on the grounds that the "kid doesn't remember". Disgusting.
@@GUILLOTINE_GANG She was saying it doesn't really affect society. She isn't wrong about that. She isn't advocating the practice. The religious right wing Abrahamic religions are the ones advocating for it. I think the practice should be banned, but I myself an circumcized and it has no bearing on my life or society at large.
@@IndigoVagrant Maybe it does effect society. She's not advocating the practice but she's dismissing his concern about it. And again, maybe it does effect society.
@mythbuster she's not aadvocating the practice, just locking arms with the religious nutjobs that do in telling anybody who opposes it to shut the fuck up
It's unbelievable that Emma doesn't understand that mutilating a human without their consent is wrong.
Just because it's coming from someone she thinks is worthless because he's lost in his overall veiwpoint doesn't mean it's just a fine thing to do to a baby.
What an awful segment. I get that it's so easy and fun to dunk on lost men, especially powerless and linguistically different men, but I'm not sure it is really a useful thing to do. I guess it gets you clicks, though.
Yeah, I’m halfway through and her smirk throughout the whole thing has completely turned me off from watching the rest of this segment. Just an awful awful segment. Can somebody ask Emma and her producer what they think about unnecessary cosmetic mutilation of dogs with their ears and tails?
Emma and the crew have a recurring thing where they show zero empathy and understanding when someone tries to make a point about issues impacting non-marginalized communities. It was the same way a while back when that guy called with concerns about how white privilege is presented at times. How difficult would it be for Emma to just say "All unnecessary surgery on non-consenting living things is wrong. I don't agree with your view about American society as a whole but male circumcision is wrong and is one example of a systemic issue that impacts American men." Two sentences, the end. Instead she ends up awkwardly defending something probably doesn't even agree with because she's too afraid to lose her ideological footing.
Thank you Sean, for articulating what I couldn't. I just didn't understand this segment. I had not heard the previous call(s) from this guy & have no idea what his agenda is, but regardless, he wanted to simply talk about circumcision. Why was Emma so dismissive when the topic could have been legitinately discussed? And her co-host's comments about "I don't remember" were equally dismissive. And yes, English was surely his second language!
Emma has a deep seated hatred of men so this is par the course for her. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
@@addorsubtract650 Really? I have not seen that from her. I usually enjoy her intelligent responses. She lost me here though.
Male circumcision regardless of
the severity of the long-term outcome to the person is still genital mutilation. Hello.
No it’s cleaner and is scientifically being proven
"Circumcision is not required by law in the US"
The fact that it's societally acceptable to cut off any baby parts is mind bogglingly grotesque. And just to make it more difficult to masterbate?
"They don't remember it, so it's ok."
You can do anything to a baby and they won't remember, that point is completely asinine.
Cut off the baby's smallest toes. They don't need them and they won't remember...
Tattoo your name on the baby's ass. Won't make any difference to them. And you could propagandize society into believing that, What? You always tattoo your name on your baby's ass...
Men are not more oppressed...you know as well as anyone that is what this caller is saying and trying to get at Emma with. Circumcized men don't have it worse than women that are now forced to give birth or get charged with murder for having a miscarriage. Calm the fvck down.
I was circumcised as a babe and remember nothing of it.
As a teenager I was a frequent masturbator, and never so much as sprained my wrist! 🤣😂🤣😂
I've always seen it argued from the standpoint of hygiene. It doesn't make masturbation more difficult--I can attest to that.
Agreed.
Sit this one out Emma… you dk what you’re talking about.
She seems stoned and or just ignorant OFTEN.
Shes unironically anti-feminist here
It seems like they were stumped with this question. To say well, you get it when you're a baby and won't remember it, isn't a logical answer.
Good job defending genital mutilation, guys! You really showed him!
What you mean good job. MGM is damaging to boys. It happens universally in America.
@@andrewalmada it was sarcasm. They ended up defending mutilating a baby just to prove the point that men are not discriminated against.
It's seriously not a big deal. Sometimes babies get their ears pierced. You go as hard on that?
@@anonymous36247 pierced ears can heal and close the hole. Good luck growing back your foreskin. Remember that male genital mutilation is done only to stop masturbation, against the will of the victim. There is no advantage to it unless you have phimosis.
Try to look at it from a non barbaric viewpoint, the USA is one of the only countries where this is normal.
@@anonymous36247 that's also wrong and a shit defence of anything.
Not only is circumsion unethical it's also unnecessary
So much virtue signaling in this comment section. Love to see it
@@williame3333 do you even know what virtue signaling means?
@@williame3333 Sorry they chopped your foreskin off.
@@jarrettlowery2802 "the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."
@@williame3333 as opposed to...
I was disgusted with Emma’s take on circumcision, circumcision and female genital mutilation are both child abuse, barbaric practices and can cause a life time of pain. It needs to stop!
Then you missed the point because she is on the side of those who want to stop it. It's just NOT the issue this man called in about, which was equating male rights with female rights.
You're disgusted with her objectively true take that FGM is far worse than male circumcision? You're sounding like an MRA, MGTOW weirdo here. The caller is saying that circumcision being normalized to a large extent in the US is worse than not having access to safe abortions, which is insane.
You definitely missed the point. The caller brought up circumcision as an example of male discrimination/men have it worse. Not only that, but circumcision and FGM are a false equivalency. FGM is done to eliminate any chance of sexual pleasure for that person in the future. Male circumcision is not done for that reason.
Male circumcision does NOT create a lifetime of pain. I speak from experience. They are not equally barbaric, because men who are circumcised still enjoy sex and have no problem ejaculating.
@@lindseystein9676 the original intent was to stop boys from masturbating, lest they become sexual deviants and addicts (and possibly communists or atheists) as adults.
@SamSeder you really need to address this! You all go on about Ana's remarks but then saying this crap like it's OK and she acts condescending about it to the caller??? The caller had a point and she refused to accept it and instead was like "well make circumcusion is nothing compared to female circumcision". Really Emma? No sh*t! That wasn't the caller point but you sure twisted around to make it YOUR point! Smdh
I don't think Sam is going to be in agreement on this unfortunately. You're correct and I agree with you, tho
Ana's *AND* Emma's Takes Were *_Both_* 🐕💩.
MGM is pretty bad without bringing up FGM. It removes 2/3s to 3/4s of the nerve endings. Also makes sex more difficult by eliminating the natural gliding function and lubrication of the foreskin. It's a disaster. Would Emma be okay with 2/3 of her clitoris removed at birth?
Yooo this was a Big L on the Majority Report side. America's fascination with mutilating child penises is ABSOLUTELY barbaric and is looked down upon by the majority of the world. The laissez-faire attitude of the crew here about baby mutilation is concerning and not the easy win they think it is.
Part of the problem is that circumcised men reflexively defend it.
@@Top_Weebnobody wants to admit they've been mutilated. It hurts really bad to admit it. To realize you've lost one of the main sources of pleasure gifted to you by nature, because of some old superstitions and a guy named Kellogg trying to stop boys from masturbating.
@@Top_Weeb You realize that 40% of circumcised men in surveys are against it right? 20% don't feel strongly either way, and 40% are for it.
Both are wrong - males aren't discriminated as badly as women, AND male circumcision is not okay, or "more hygienic" - bad take on both of ya
She didnt advocate for them.. Though I would wager she would be against making it a law.. Which they are not.. So to compare the 2 (circumcision and discrimination) is a false equivalency.
@@patrickdenny-pk5ko She advocated for making it law.. Or just said her stance and what is proven? No she just was pointing out the false equivalency. The caller was the one that brought up circumcision. Comparing it to male discrimination. The topic was male discrimination. Now tie that to circumcision which has been on the choice of mostly religious parents and not force. The only discrimination there would be from the parents. I still hold a bit of a grudge towards my parents for doing so to me, steamed from garbage religion. Yet again this is not the conversation of this video.
How are men discriminated against for being circumcised? I am circumcised and I am also Asian and gay and honestly I feel like my race and sexual orientation by far play much larger roles in my life in terms of people discriminating against me than my lack of foreskin.
@@schildkroete i would not say men are discriminated but still is an act of violence against an human being, it may not affect you but is an unnecesary risk and a lot of people have suffered it or got killed, even when done well u lost some sensitivity, and if i remember right there is correlation with some health problems
also in my case as a trans woman with other health problems adding circumcision would have prevented me from getting bottom surgery, is the thing about body autonomy, people taking decisions for you may end well but when it doesnt then what?
@@schildkroete
Well to start all people face some form of discrimination at some point for just about any aspect of their self. That being said men alone don’t face, as a whole, anywhere near the discrimination that women do, not the descrimination sexual and gender minorities do, not the discrimination that racialized peoples do. That being said, in medicine, it is extremely normalized to mutilate males without their consent in a way that significantly reduces sexual gratification, destroys nerves, can create complications in their sex lives, and can even permanently injure them. That is all that’s being said. Not that it is in any way worse than female genital mutilation, not that men face societal discrimination on any level even remotely equivalent to minorities.
I think this is a situation where "having to be right" on the overall point has just generated a really bad take from Emma. Really she could have just said "yes, I believe that mutilating the genitals of children is bad and we shouldn't support it, but this doesn't change the fact that women are being denied medical care." But what this "circumcisions aren't that bad" take does is minimise the suffering of men and boys and makes Emma come across as callous.
*Finally people are starting to realise how bad The Majority Report is on men's issues.*
@@haza123b4 I think it's American society in general moreso than it's specifically this news/entertainment podcast group thing.
I saw an episode where Sam, Emma, and that vapid airhead Nomiki all gang up on a men's rights activist. He made some okay points at times and they wouldn't concede at all. Just 100% bias from all three.
@@StainedGlassTophat *True but in the world of media these guys are almost unrivalled.*
@@dwaynebruny *That episode was particularly embarrassing.*
Don't like the idea of having something cut off that I was born with 🤷♂️ it dont sit right with me
Then don't drink the beer
So you are against getting an appendectomy or a cholecystectomy?
@Celieboo that's for a medical reason, not a natural one next....
Do you cut your hair or toenails?
@@MelchizedekKohen You were also born with an umbilical cord attached to you and guess what? It gets cut off. You need to face the fact that every human being goes through some form of surgery when we are born because that is a natural part of life. Circumcision is also for medical reasons because it is a scientific fact that a circumcised penis is easier to clean, which reduces instances of urinary tract infections and inflammatory skin conditions.
"I don't remember the pain, so it's OK" - WTF? Disappointed in you on this one, Emma!
Circumcision is barbaric and should be considered child abuse IMHO.
😂 dude it’s way cleaner
While this caller may have been trying to make a stupid point, defending male circumcision (which is, like it or not, brutal genital mutilation just as the caller described) is a terrible look.
Its not a stupid point, theres a few examples I can think of to bolster his argument without even looking for more. Emma completely dismissed his point because it offended her right to be a woman who is victimized. I would not argue that men face more problems then women, just different ones, ones that never get addressed. Meanwhile we have marches and protest for womens right to abandon a pregnancy. Men face abuses every single day in a lot of areas and have no redress.
That whole segment was pretty immature by Emma. I laughed internally when he said "maybe I can change your mind". Emma doesn't have the intellectual honesty to change her mind. There are a lot of examples where men get the short end of the stick and just because women have it worse overall doesn't mean men are never discriminated against
Not going to suggest male circumcision is as bad as female genital mutilation, but Emma's take here is pretty insensitive. Both practices are barbaric, and Emma does not seem to care about one of them.
She’s internalized the idea that girls are delicate little snowflakes and that boys are intractable to harm
Very flippant about traumatic life altering changes done to a newborns body without their consent thru violence (unnecessary surgery IS violence)
Both are equally bad, but the average female circumcision removes less tissue and is less damaging than average USA circumcision, what is worse than the average circumcision is infibulation, which has sadly been popularized to be seen as if infibulation is 100% of all female circumcisions, when it's the most rare and uncommon form of FGM, as a category 3, the most common category 1 and 2 are less invasive and also performed less than male circumcision by multiple times. Aka 1.5 billion men worldwide ish are circumcised, an estimated 100-200 million women are, mainly in africa and very rarely in Islamic countries, which in Islam is done for the exact same reason male circumcision is done, for the perception that it Is cleaner.
Women are generally extremely insensitive when it comes to circumcision. They have been conditioned by society to believe that it is part of their sexual power over men, and when circumcision is attacked they feel personally attacked and lash out.
Its insensitve because she doesnt care about guys. To say "Yes the society is not set up in a way that discriminates against men" is just completely false on its face. I can think of one off the top of my head. Men get longer prison sentences for the same crime and get the death penalty more often than women. And you can then chop it down into race.
"#1 isn't as bad as #2, therefore #1 isn't bad."
That's not a good argument.
It's not even a true argument, 85% of female circumcision is just a needle prick or removal of the clitoral skin...that extreme version is pretty rare.
This is a very concise way to say this, I think I'm gonna borrow it and use it the next time I inevitably have this conversation with someone.
"Sexual assault isn't as bad as rape so sexual assault is ok"
Just say that to anyone who brings up FGM is worse argument and they'll realize how dumb it is.
Yeah my parents mutilated me and I don't like it. Thanks emma
The caller is wrong on his larger point but right about circumcision. I don’t see how it’s a laughing matter. It’s not as bad as fgm but it’s still removing a part of someone’s body without their consent for non medical reasons, and is extremely painful for the child
The caller is making an argument that because some men in the United States are circumcised, that is evidence that this society is discriminatory against men. You gotta take the dismissal against the context of the argument, which is a very bad argument
@@chazzerous yeah i commented too quick, agree about the circumcision not his overall point, will edit comment
@@chazzerous some men? It's more like the overwhelming number of men.
How many people does circumcision affect in the United States every year and how many people does FGM affect? Circumcision is a barbaric but culturally acceptable practice in the US. FGM is banned. If you're going to compare the two in the US, circumcision is a much much bigger problem.
@@chazzerous I agree with you, but it's like 90% of men in the US. In a lot of parts of the US intact dongs are basically unheard of and it's very strongly enforced on a cultural level. I literally had a urologist try to sell me on one when I was in for a freaking bladder stone removal.
I was circumcised at the age of 6 against my will. I had a kidney issue and was told while I'm having surgery on that they may have to circumcise me. I repeatedly said I don't want them to and the first thing I said when I woke up was "did they circumcise me?" I burst out crying when they said they had. I'm over it now and it causes me no pain and I still feel pleasure during sex but I refuse to do that to my son remembering how I felt back then.
I'm so sorry.
Did they circumcise you because of the catheter thing? I've heard of that happening to others. In every sane country, like here in Europe, they just retract the foreskin and then put in the cathether or whatever, but in the US apparently you feel you have to circumcise and then put in the cathether....it's so insane.
@@nathanmiller3891 Not... always
I remember being circumcised. The lack of knowledge around this topic just confirms his point.
I agree with the caller. For Emma and side kick to minimize circumcision as something that doesn't matter and that her opinion is relevant makes me want to remind her that we can all be full of sh.t at some point
agree with the caller that men have it worse in society because of optional circumcision.
I do agree we could be full of it with statements like that. That's like agreeing that millionaires have it worse in society since they pay in taxes than the homeless
But it's not something that our country is doing it's something that's stupid religious individuals are doing.
I mean she concedes that the practice could be banned. I'm against the practice but I agree with her that it has no bearing on men or women's rights. Conflating circumcision with gender equality issues is uh.. reaching to say the least.
@@IndigoVagrant Emma can acknowledge that the caller is full of shit with regards to men's rights without minimizing how bullshit male circumcision is. If she can't make her argument without being dishonest, she has no fucking right arguing with these people. You can acknowledge that male circumcision is a negative that we should end without ending up at the caller's conclusion that male circumcision is the reason why women and men have equal negative aspects within society.
@@winfordemocracy no one cares! We don’t care what point he was trying to make! It’s Emma’s dismissiveness or downplaying of male infant mutilation that is pissing people off! I’m sure the guy was wrong in some things! That’s not what’s rocking the boat here
It's ironic that the religious right are so concerned about trans children undergoing genital surgeries while it is the religious right performing the vast majority of genital alterations on children in the form of circumsicions.
They ALWAYS get the consent of the infant before they circumcise them.
My mom was so pissed that I didn’t have my son circumcised. I thought it’s cruel and still do and shouldn’t be allowed.
It's insane. As almost always, the stuff the far right projects on others is pretty much an admission of their own doings or desires.
@@jamesmcelroy5830 lol
Their anti-trans bills literally ban circumcision by definition. I know a lot of white nationalists are anti circumcision (the only thing I could ever side with them on) but it seems like most run of the mill conservatives don’t even have that thought run through their head of how hypocritical it is.
Wow you guys surprised me with this one. It's like you didn't like the caller so you wouldn't give an inch. Circumcision is wrong. Period. For you to downplay it for one gender is insane. Two things can be true at once with different severities.
It’s a touchy subject when you have Jewish coworkers.
Perhaps you forgot the extremely long call they already had and how in this one, it's the same repetitive nonsense
@@JohnDoe-my5ip
Ah fuck them. If god wants the tip of my dick I’ll give him the rest of it too, and I won’t be gentle
@@JohnDoe-my5ip too fucking bad
How is it wrong? Aside from it being healthier for the man, there is a large segment of people who associate it with their religious beliefs (Christians being circumcised). Why is this even a thing?
Emma trying to defend circumcision in order to prove her point is pretty disgusting, she couldve definitely made her point without doing that
Agreed, that was pure man-hating in my opinion
She’s doing the “female circumcision is worse because girls are delicate” line. It’s unironically sexist and misogynistic because it infantilizes girls relative to boys. It’s also misandristic ofc but in the reverse sense.
@@owen3721 How can you be left wing yet anti-feminist
@@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj Im not saying she's anti-feminist, but her line of argument not vehemently opposing circumcision is anti-feminist.
@@owen3721 No I mean you are
It’s barbaric mutilation at every level.
It should be illegal
I usually agree with Emma but wow. She is waaaaaaaay wrong here.
I’m so glad a woman is telling men what’s ok with their parts. Just wow.
no, you see--it's actually not a real problem because the men are the ones talking about it /s
*Finally people are starting to realise how bad The Majority Report is on men's issues.*
Didn't she agree that it should be illegal?
It is barbaric, but in the context of him trying to spin that as "that means men have it the hardest uwu" is complete and utter bull shit
@@PhantomLord She said it wasn't a problem.
@@GabrielNicho in the context of what the whiny b*ch boy MRA was talking about. She still said it should be illegal. Giving him no further argument
This is why so many men end up flocking to the right wing or reactionary CZcamsrs. Because often times mens issues get laughed off, if they get brought up at all by the left.
Circumcision isn’t an example of a men’s rights issue. A man can decide if he wants to be circumcised or not. Circumcision is an example of religious genital mutilation of children without their consent, which the Left is opposed to.
And it's so unnecessary too, she could've easily granted the legitimate issue men's rights activists have while still maintaining her belief that women are overall oppressed more, rather than smirk as she says she doesn't care.
Yep clips like these drive young men to the right which is so sickening. Leftists with large platform have a responsibility to not make bone-headed statements that undermine our broader ideology and platform.
I don't think you guys get how deeply weird male circumcision is to most of the world. When we first hear of it we're like, "They do WHAT to kid's penises? Oh, sweet Jesus, why?"
We look it up and find that it's some old-ass rule in some old-ass religions that mainly happens in the Middle East and North Africa, and we shrug and think, "ah well, it'll gradually fade out as the enlightenment penetrates the last few superstitious cults".
And then we spot the US on the list with an 80% circumcision rate, and we're right back to "Oh, sweet Jesus, why!"
It became so popular in the US in the early 20th century as a way to stop boys from masturbating.
@@Top_Weeb but yeah male sexuality isn't culturally undermined /s
Oh we get how weird it is but don't blame the country, blame the religious idiots that worship a monster that has an obsession with foreskins
@@Top_Weeb it's been done for a very very long time. Like 2000 + years because of the Bible. It was made more popular by people like catalog but that was still because of the Bible and Christianity.
I should clarify its not done as much in Catholic areas
What's more absurd is that it caught on because it was advocated for by the guy who invented cornflakes. Seriously. To take it further, the sadistic wanker even claimed by not using anaesthesia the operation would make a good punishment for young masturbators. He even advised applying pure carbolic acid to the clitoris to help curb women's lust.
Utterly embarrassed by the crew's take on this one. How on Earth are you making the left look like we're in favor of GM of any sort. I'm guessing violent behavior against an infant is also okay right? Since they won't remember. Wtf kinda take is this?
This guy is a ridiculous crank but circumcision is a disgusting violation of bodily autonomy and as a trans person thats kinda a big deal for me. It should be banned, mutilating children for no reason is inmoral. You shouldn’t be so dismissive about it, specially bc it kills like 110 little kids a year
Well said
My belief is that people shouldn't be circumcised. Regardless of gender.
Only strong takes here on Yutube.
Circumcision is a BIG problem.
The only correct stance is that male circumcision should be outlawed under the age of 18 UNLESS its medically needed. A person should have a say in what happens to their private parts and thus should be asked to give consent which children cannot give.
It is never medically needed, phimosis can be fixed with small incisions
Circumcision is not as bad as FGM, but blowing off removing body parts without consent is pretty sick, Emma. (Edit - Can I point out, since this throwaway comment has gained traction, that I am a fan of both Emma and MR. It was the flippant attitude of her argument that annoyed me, I understood it fully. I have absolutely no desire to side with either the caller or the thickwitted misogynists that I seem to have attracted below.)
For real! I don't remember signing a consent form to have my feeding tube cut off! Should wait until at least 18 for that!
Exactly, it dues not matter if its more painful for or not its a violation of bodily anatomy and a violation of religious rights.
I think she's blowing HIM off because of his previous phone call. Also because he's continuing to claim there's more discrimination against men in the US. I think it's HIM she's not taking seriously.
It’s also an indication of how ignorant people are of what FGM includes. All forms of it are banned in the US, including pricking. If someone thinks pricking is more severe than circumcision, they should have their head examined.
That was NOT the topic.. No one is/was fighting for circumcision.
She conceded the point, but not really, lol. What a dishonest woman. She literally said "Fine, we should criminalize circumcisions." And then minutes later she's back to saying "But circumcision is a non-issue". Which is it, woman? Is circumcision harmless OR should it be banned?? You can't hold both those positions at the same time lmao. She can't even make up her own mind
It’s weird to see leftists that I respect defending the practice of circumcision. Unnecessary, painful, and barbaric process.
This was my final straw for putting up with Emma on this show.
She conceded the point. What more do you want?
@@Sohbekshe didn't concede that circumcision was bad. She said she'd be okay with it being banned because "it doesn't affect society". It's like she was allergic to admit this is one area where women do have things better in America than men. Her absolute ignorance of male anatomy was on display in this segment when she tried to talk about how much "worse" FGM is. They're both awful and barbaric and remove functional parts of a person's genitals to reduce their pleasure. Male infant circumcision absolutely can cause pain later in life, especially since it's often done very sloppily and rushed despite having lifelong effects.
Beyond that, it's roughly equivalent, anatomically speaking, to removing the clitoris, and saying "well at least you can still have vaginal orgasms". Or if you don't like that analogy, reverse it and sew the vagina shut and leave the clitoris alone. Either way it's barbaric as fuck.
I am a leftist, a man, and circumcised. Technically it is unnecessary, however there are very real benefits. It prevents infections, is easier to keep clean, and improves sexual pleasure, (speaking anecdotally of course.) It's absolutely brutal to cut a bit of the skin off, but I prefer myself this way after growing up and hearing horror stories about how nasty it can get without getting skinned a little. It's just preference, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for everybody.
cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. most americans were either circumcised by somebody they love, have circumcised somebody they love, or both. makes it really hard to look at it objectively.
I get the point that's being argued vs the point the caller thinks he's making aren't remotely congruous, but it's still super weird how so many ostensibly progressive women in the West will go to the mat about unhealthy beauty standards and men body-shaming women about their genitals or their body hair, etc, or talk about how horrible it is that some women and girls feel social pressure to get procedures like labiaplasty, and then turn around and equally defend their right to order cosmetic surgery on the genitals of an infant.
You are one of very few it seems who have a shred of common sense
I'm uncut, myself. No genital mutilation for me!
Its a disgusting violation of bodily autonomy, it would be like cutting off ppl’s earlobes as babies.
I'm sure the first man or woman to see ur little thing laughed histerically
@@SteveWormuth what a weird thing to say
@@SteveWormuth No, your mom choked on it.
@@SteveWormuth I'm sorry that your thing was made worse, I rly feel for u 😔
I totally agree with this man! Circumcision might be different for males and females but it is still genital mutilation!
Even though male circumcision isn’t as extreme as most female genital mutilation, it’s still something that’s unnatural, permanent, scarring, and reduces male sexual pleasure.
The thing is, people who tend to be okay with male circumcision in the US are against ALL forms of female genital mutilation, including drawing a single drop of blood from the clitoral hood.
*Finally people are starting to realise how bad the Majority Report is on men's issues.*
Wish there was education on FGM, because most people think of the extreme forms, instead of pin prick. The most common form is removing the hood from a girl’s cl!toris, which is exactly like circumcision of boys, because the cl!toral hood is a analogous structure to the foreskin. All of this is wrong and should be outlawed, regardless of what religions say.
The topic was not whether genital mutilation is bad, Emma even admits at the end of the day she doesn't actually care and you can ban both
It was, Are men more discriminated against than women because of male circumcision?
Which is bull...
In the US, male circumcision is not mandatory, it's not legalized and it is primarily done willingly on behalf of the parents, the legal acting guardians...
This is in no way comparable to state and policy lawmakers for example banning and in some instances trying to criminalize the right to choose, access to gender affirming care, etc.
It is clear that women legally are far more discriminated against men especially in how they are allowed to use their bodies
The caller kept trying to state that because male circumcision (a culturally approved/engaged thing, not legal)
Existed that it meant men were more discriminated against in society and or are more victims.
That was the issue Emma had.
absolutely it is as extreme as most female circumcision.
the caller specifically sad that his statement was about America
but Emma quickly changed the subject to female circumcision in foreign countries
she changed the subject
Can't believe how Emma and Lech Jr. are trying to downplay the infant torture that is male circumcision.
It's a position you have to take when arguing against these religious observance arguments. Yes cutting off a newborn's body part, other than the umbilical cord (but you could argue that is the mother's body part as was the infant that she was born with as an egg), is pretty barbaric whether male or female because it is medically unnecessary. So the fact that we allow these religious observances, even though we may argue it's a human rights violation, will rely on the facts of whether it will affect the quality of life of that infant in its lifetime. For male circumcision to be equivalent in affecting the quality of life as female circumcision you would have to cut off the head of the penis. That is the one-to-one comparison, not "this is mutilation so that is mutilation too". That is a false equivalence, so we have to analyze further and get more granular in our comparisons. Female circumcisions are not performed at birth. They are generally performed between the ages of 4 and 12. So a more direct comparison would be if males got circumcised, including the head of the penis cut off, at their bar mitzvah. But that would affect a male's fertility whereas the same does not affect a female's fertility. So that is unacceptable because how would you be able to have heirs to pass on your legal property to? And here is the intersection of patriarchy meets capitalism. We must preserve the rights of property-owning men to control their property, even long after their death, at the expense of mutilating newborns' genitalia. Now if you heard at CPAC that mutilating children's genitalia is a billion-dollar industry, you can argue it's not because of "woke politics". It's literally religion.
@@YukonBloamie It's not uncommon for a large part of the pleasure nerves to be removed during circumcision and even terribly botches cases, making orgasm a problem.
@@YukonBloamie you're misinformed. the glans is the LEAST sensitive part and the foreskin is the MOST sensitive part. what you're proposing would be a LESS damaging form of MGM compared to circumcision. the foreskin is far more important to sexual function than the glans (head) is.
@@nightdriver that is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile 😂
@@YukonBloamie then you probably have little to no experience with foreskins, and you just told on yourself.
"I don't remember the pain at all"
You can use that line of logic to justify doing anything to a baby. Bad take.
If his eye was removed he wouldn't remember
Agreed. I'm not anti-circumcision, but it's still a bad argument. I don't get the hate over circumcision since it doesn't hinder the child at all in any way, shape, or form, unlike female circumcision which does.
@nottelling4828 circumcision can lead to infection when botched such as in the case of David Reimer and it reduces sensation in the penile head…regardless, it has no proven medical benefits and is done without consent, thereby definitively constituting a human rights violation
@@nottelling4828 well because the people who are greatly damaged by it are ignored/silenced for some reason. It's amazing how most medical informants refuse to even list all the risks of circumcision. Billions of children have been forcibly circumcised and the worst cases of those are death, complete loss of genitalia from infection (infection is a serious risk no matter what surgery you are getting but it's almost never listed as a risk for this one), botched circumcision, cut so tight they get painful erections, so much scar tissue can sometimes cause the genitals to entirely retract inside the body and in some cases stays that way forever - in the most severe cases men aren't able to pee. There are many real life examples of all these yet when people talk about this subject "Oh it causes no harm" lol
@@nottelling4828
First off, neither does Female circumcision that consist of just removing the prepuce (the clitoral hood). Yet that is still illegal.
Secondly, the hate over circumcision is that it’s performed on children, mostly babies who can’t consent.
Circumcision (except in extreme rare medical cases) isn’t like getting a vaccine which can safe your life, or something that fixes a problem. It’s pointless and redundant.
Given it’s complete redundancy to do on a non consenting healthy male infants why do it at all? Over 100 babies die a year from the operation and that’s not including those with botched operations
That conversation brings up a really good question. Why are people allowed to surgically modify their baby's penis at infancy when the child has no agency or say, but if a teenager, with parental consent, wants to take hormone blockers, it's apparently a travesty?
manufactured consent
because the point is hatred of a minority, not protection of child's rights for these people.
Cut that little bit of skin around the head and it looks bigger than it is. That said circumcision does have known, proven benefits, but yea. It's a little man problem mostly.
@@recklart8592it doesn't look bigger at all wtf are you on?😂
It provides ZERO benefits if you don't believe me then list the benefits and I will debunk them all.
@@joshuashaffer8707 for what people though? Because the ones defending genital mutilation are the ones who would agree with children getting puberty blockers and the one against genital mutilation is probably against puberty blockers meaning they are consistent
Obviously the female kind is way worse for the individual and their future. But still minimizing the issue, that this happening without consent because so many people think their God told them to do. It's pretty dang weird if you think about why its even a thing...
Stop debating this every time male genital mutilation is brought up.
@@Top_Weebit's kinda like debating: it doesn't matter if blasphemous people just get flogged or locked in stocks, as long as people accused of witchcraft arent burned at the stake.
I get its a call in show and she's just trying to say one is worse in terms of damage. Both are absolutely insane that's its even a thing in modern society
@@mbburry4759 It's like comparing Jim Crow to slavery or the Holocaust to Israeli apartheid. Equal parts dismissive and gross.
@@Top_Weeb no it's not. Male circumcision isn't denying you rights, isn't wiping out races.
@@tomservo5007It's called an analogy. Sorry your genitals were mutilated without your consent.
You guys blew this. Circumcision without concent is wrong. It should be illegal. His point is valid. This is the first time I've been truly disappointed with this show, Emma.
*Finally people are starting to realise how asinine the Majority Report is on men's issues.*
The USA has freedom of religion and why is it being held at a different standard than the vast majority of Western countries of which, male circumcision is NOT banned? So, men as a whole are more discriminated by society because the USA (in particular) will not ban circumcision? GTFOH.
But she literally conceded that she would support circumcision being banned. The point is it's not even a fair comparison to female genital mutilation or abortion...
@@ambercomplete733 where is FGM happening in America? That’s not the issue at hand here. The medical system profits off of violating male infants’ consent, en masse.
@@ambercomplete733that may be, but only in the sense that it didn't matter. She belittled this entire conversation from start to end
I think it's a lost opportunity to make the argument that penile circumcision is endorsed by the patriarchy, it's not a men's rights issue. It's unnecessary, is botched too often, and is an opening for sexual abuse in many cases. The caller was misguided in why he focuses on it, but it should be something that goes away.
Thank you, this is the take everyone seems to be missing. Agreeing that routine male infant circumcision is bad and is an issue that female infants do not face in the US is not mutually exclusive with the goals of feminism. It’s literally just the patriarchy doing it’s thang because the guy who invented Kellogg’s wanted to stop people from masturbating during some moral panic du jour.
It's literally a men's rights issue. How is it not?
The "patriarchy" isn't real, and women endorse circumcision of males just as much as men do if not more. I've literally heard women say that it's "Better for women".
If you're for circumcision then I'm all for removing 50% of your vision.
"it doesn't really have any negative permanent effects"
False equivalence.
@@valoredramack9117 not at all. Circumcision removes two of the three primary structures of the penis that give sex feeling. The foreskin and frenulum are gone, and they are both more sensitive than the glans. Fine touch and temperature feeling is gone. And the glans gets keratinized over time, compounding the issue.
It's similar to cutting off the clitoris and saying "at least you can have vaginal orgasms".
@@DavidWest2 Speaking as someone who is circumcised, your rhetoric is completely meaningless because you are trying to describe some kind of discomfort that does not even exist. I have no lack of sensitivity, nor do I crave more sensitivity than I already have, you are fabricating a problem that no circumcised person is even complaining about. There is absolutely no point to your debate from the perspective of someone who is already circumcised and happy with our own bodies. Even if the process could be magically reversed with the snap of a finger, I would choose not to do it because I *enjoy* the fact that I am circumcised. There is no need to invent a tragedy when there is no one claiming to be a victim. Quite frequently, even my girlfriend thinks that an uncircumcised penis is appalling to look at it, so we're both happy with that I have. And if you're denying the fact that a circumcised penis has benefits, then you are clearly lying. Here is are the top five benefits of circumcision: (1) Easier hygiene in cleaning the penis. (2) Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. (3) Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. (4) Prevention of penile problems. (5) Decreased risk of penile cancer.
@@valoredramack9117women get UTI's at about 10 to 50 times more frequently than men.The labia and foreskin of the clitoris promote growth of germs if kept unclean.
Just like penile cancer there is vulvar cancer for women as both are caused by HPV. Clitoral Phimosis is actually a thing where foreskin of clitoris adheres to the glans clitoris due to natural diformity or germs, bacteria, improper hygiene and it causes pain, discomfort, difficulty in orgasms, etc, ultimately women need to get a hoodectomy(removal of the foreskin from clitoris). About 22% of women suffer with phimosis.
Women who had labioplasty reports less risks of UTI and STD's and significantly decreases the chance of getting vulvar cancer.
They also *look better* and are easy to maintain(more hygienic), and they don't smell like fish down there which is good.
Given this data are you willing to legalise hoodectomy and labioplasty for female babies for the exact same or more benefits that a male baby gets from circumcision?
Would you put your baby girl through this?
And I would say male circumcision is far worse than type 1 FGM and equivalent to type 2 FGM.
+ I can debunk all of your beneficial myths if you want me to.
if i chop off a baby's ring fingers they probably won't remember the pain 27 years later, therefore, no big deal
Your doing the same thing as your apparatuses accusing Emma of-cutting off a finger would have more implications than cutting off foreskin, that's not to say foreskin cutting is something I particularly agree with-here in Scotland (and the UK generally) it's pretty rare. I'm relatively sure the USA-possibly Canada, maybe you know-is the only country with a pretty high circumcision count (58.3% of newborns and 80.5% of males aged 14-59 are circumcised according to a NHI report from 2021 I just looked at) but yeah like I said your doing the same thing as Emma-cutting off a baby's finger has bigger implications than removing the foreskin just like FGM has more implications than circumcision. Frankly I find it cuts how many people are circumcised in the USA-why is the USA at such high rates? I can't help but wonder if money is part of the reason it's become so entrenched as I assume you pay slightly extra for the procedure
@Teethgrinder cutting off a baby's ring fingers would probably not impact their adult life any more than cutting off their foreskin. also it's kind of stupid to whine about fgm in america, where it is completely illegal, whereas circumcision is extremely common. but if you're that insistent on minimizing unanaesthatized genital mutilation, i could just as easily compare it to punching a baby in the face. what would we say about someone who went around punching babies in the face?
@@joshridinger3407 oh come on be realistic-im not even arguing that circumcision is alright or not that much of a deal but of course cutting off a baby's ring finger would have more impact than losing its foreskin, again you're doing much the same as Emma (except to a relatively larger extent)
@Teethgrinder no it wouldn't. it'd barely affect grip strength. maybe they'd be a little less effective as a trained typist, at most, but most people type by finger pecking anyway. hell, you could just do the tips, to make it more like circumcision. nothing affected but potential typing speed.
@@joshridinger3407 yeah but it would potentially affect the bone too and other things-also grasping would be affected especially depending on if the kid wants to do something physically in life for recreation like rock climbing. I mean you can try and say it's much the same but it's just not and no matter how you try and work round it you are definitely doing the same as Emma was. I don't think there's much else to say though because I'm not going round in circles
Why, why, why does this have to be turned into an unnecessary contest? Cutting ANY healthy body part off of someone before they are able to verbalize their consent is wrong, full stop. The caller is obviously dumb for trying to turn this issue into some sort of dunk against women, but it's also a little disappointing that Emma came off as so indifferent to how normalized the barbaric practice of MGM is in America.
I hate when people act like this is normal. It’s time we all take a stand against this and let these doctors know.
I was disappointed as well but truly its just accepted here. I wish I would have had a choice. But that said I really don't think about it either.
Yeah, that nonchalance about MGM was so American.
@@renny6151 The doctors are not doing it cause they feel like it, they're doing it cause they're told to by parents who want it done.
No doctor can perform a circumscion without parental consent.
@@mckenzie.latham91 But don't doctors decide whether or not they will perform circumcisions? I don't think any doctor that performs circumcisions is coerced to do so . Rather intrinsically they're motivated either by money or morals. Irony would have it that some intact surgeon is performing them in America for the $$$.
So much for “my body my choice” huh Emma ?
she's a sexist
Yeah…big oof
You misunderstand, it only applies to women.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 yup, seems men do not have rights to genital integrity. Just women do.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 And then only to one specific issue!
“The baby never complained about the pain.”
“And the other one makes it a tiny bit less pleasurable to have sex”
“And it doesn’t have an effect on their lives”
“It’s not required by law”
Can you be any more dismissive about genital mutilation?
What is Emma on about!? Yes, it can have serious side effects for men, long term, including pain physical and emotional. It is a barbaric practice, yes the same is true and often worse for women in this regard but it is pretty bad for men as well, no reason to disregard that.
This has to be without a doubt the worst take the Majority has ever taken(if Sam agrees)
It's so bad even Emma rushed to get the F out of there. The caller was correct to bring up child "Grape", if the child can't remember is such a Incredibly horrific take.
"I did not" hear the before or after show but by randomly putting it in terms of what are the worst problems in the country currently was such disservice and dishonest misdirections I've heard in a long time. There's studies and science to this.
I hate this take and stance by Emma and that low voice dude I never see.
I don't think Sam does agree-pretty sure I remember him saying once he would be happy to ban it although there are larger issues at hand (I can't remember the context at the time so the 'larger issues' may have been part of that context). I wish I could remember what he was talking about at the time-probably a caller
*Finally people are starting to realise how bad The Majority Report is on men's issues.*
Show the studies? What are your claims exactly and what are the sources? Considering adult circumcision rn.
Brandon, just because you don't remember on a conscious level, it doesn't mean that being subjugated to this act of violence does not implant a subconscious trauma onto a highly delicate and sensitive brain. The pain would have been a tremendous shock and I would consider without any doubt circumcision yo be a form of torture...you can at least acknowledge that my friends.
"It's ok to grape someone in their sleep."
-MR logic
Dude really should read up on childhood trauma... but then he would realize he silly he sounds here
"Their pleasure centre for sex is removed from their body through surgery". Emma, please research the structure and function of the male prepuce and frenulum - these are the parts amputated by circumcision, which are the most innervated and sexually sensitive parts of the entire male anatomy.
She won't because she is an ignorant person.
The frenulum itself isn’t sensitive, the skin under it is, and the frenulum stimulates the glans when pulled. I don’t think many uncircumcised men will say that the frenulum by itself feels pleasure.
"I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM?!"
The ignorance is real.
Exactly. Their ignorance on basic male anatomy and hygiene is insane. It is embarrassing.
I don't remember being circumcised but I do wonder if that early impression of the world affected my personality.
I legit wonder if the US has outsized violence vs the rest of the Western world because of the many things we do to boys here
i think there is a study about it, it said that yes, it does
@@danavidal8774 true. They've found it alters a baby's personality.
there is also another study on mice where some babies are given love and affection grow up to have stronger immune systems and healthier social lives than those who were neglected of love. The mice won't consciously remember any of this but it does have an impact
I remember a study showed that cortisol (stress) levels measured after circumcision spiked, and even months later the cortisol levels never returned to baseline.
I'm not a "men's rights" guy AT ALL, but I'm 1000% against the forcible genital mutilation of children. It's bad when it happens to girls, it's bad when it happens to boys. I feel like Emma was so turned off by this guy's previous "men's rights' schtick that she just went full contrarian this time around, and ended up with the terrible take that male circumcision isn't a problem. It absolutely is. It's not as gruesome as female genital mutilation, but it's also way more widespread specifically BECAUSE we're not willing to call it out as problematic.
“I’m 27 and never had an issue with my penis”. Does that mean nobody has? There are lots of people who’ve had lifelong issues. The fact that this is an accepted practice is an outrage.
Dude asked a question (admittedly somewhat poorly) that you failed to properly rebut. English is his second language and I doubt he has a job as an entertainer. I don’t agree that it’s some proof or MRM being anything other than reinvented misogyny but on circumcision; you pay someone to slice the baby while it’s awake, it’s a barbaric practice causing incredible pain and immeasurable mental harm to a developing brain. You first bring up FGM as a red herring and then used ad hominem trying to criticize them to the point you laughed. Quite pitiful this was uploaded and that no one on that set either has any ethics or is able to speak on them.
The popular thing today and for the last few years is to shit all over men at any opportunity and push girlboss strong woman talking points to fight the patriarchy! I'm so sick of it, women need to let men be a part of the conversation too.
This is pretty shameful. He’s clearly ESL and Emma talked down to him without providing a meaningful rebuttal. Is male circumcision near as damaging a female circumcision? On average, definitely not, but it absolutely is an often medically unnecessary procedure done for cultural and religious reasons in the US on babies who can’t consent, and it does sometimes result in injury and lifelong nerve pain or loss of sensation. That’s not nothing and it’s not normal in most countries.
Emma is pretty dismissive because this guy called in before with a much worse argument. I do agree it feels like she's punching down a bit too much in this exchange, though.
@AB I don’t think this was an issue of ESL. Just a bad argument/false equivalency. Male circumcision and FGM are not comparable. FGM is done for the sole purpose to eliminate the chance of any sexual pleasure. That isn’t the intent with male circumcision.
She created the false equivalent by not simply stating genital mutilation is bad instead of a what about ism with the genital mutilation of women in countries that he's not even talking about. He's talking about the USA where 70 percent of the men were chopped. Any defending Emma here is fan boy shit and weak as fuck brother.
having an accent doesn't make someone ESL. He's from a country where English is prolific and taught everywhere.
female genital mutilation, circumcision is the "type I" of genital mutilation, which is the same for men and women, from there it get worse on females and more prevalent
Circumcision does make sex more uncomfortable for people who have penises though! circumcision is a huge body autonomy issue (and a religious freedom issue) and comparing it to vaginal circumcision isn't fair just because one mutilation is "worse" than the other.
Yah pretty disappointing that her viewpoint is "female genital mutilation is worse so male genital mutilation isn't a problem haha you sound stupid". Some religions they suckle the baby's penis and the person suckling it has a STI, killing the baby. Or something goes wrong and they just have to chop the baby's penis off. Cutting up babies for fun shouldn't be a thing and is a problem, and thinking it isn't a problem cause you have the opinion one gender's mutilation is worse than another's is just straight up dumb.
I’d be mad af if my parents did not have me circumcised as a baby. A bunch of antisemitic concern trolls have an agenda and are pushing anti-circumcision propaganda.
If you say so
The fact that Emma thinks its no big deal for millions of infant boys to have their genitals mutilated is disturbing.
The fact that FGM is done with the explicit purpose to eliminate or reduce sexual pleasure and has no health benefits whatsoever while circumcising a penis only might incidentally reduce sexual pleasure by a negligible amount is relevant considering it was the caller who was drawing equivalence to the two practices.
And also, where is the data on this? A quick search just found a 2016 study where men who have been circumcised as adults don't report any reduction in sexual pleasure.
I've assisted with several circumcision surgeries as a medical assistant... it's awful... at the time I was insensitive.. I was young and dumb... and yes it causes desensitization and other issues.... but most men don't talk about this... Emma... yes circumcision is torture... it's pushed by our society due to religious beliefs and doctrine... young parents just get it done and the child has no choice... and the hospitals and providers make a quick grand $$.
This exchange with the man from India was really insensitive... I have an idea where Emma is coming from but this shows how it's easy to not really empathize with others... I'll learn from this because I don't want to be like Emma on this occasion.
Emma is wrong about the "tiny bit of less sexual pleasure in their lives"... over 50% of the nerves for sexual pleasure are removed.
Giving a stat without a source is basically just giving an opinion
false. the nerves arent in the foreskin
And 50% of American men have erectile dysfunction at age 50. This is higher than many parts of the world. Just because it works in your 20’s doesn’t mean it will keep working at 50 after years of desensitization from lack of skin.
@@SteveWormuth the study has been done. It is not my job to be your google...
@@SteveWormuth but here ya go...
"Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner’s corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture. [Sources: 1. R. K. Winkelmann, “The Erogenous Zones: Their Nerve Supply and Its Significance,” Proceedings of the Staff Meetings of the Mayo Clinic 34 (1959): 39-47. 2. R. K. Winkelmann, “The Cutaneous Innervation of Human Newborn Prepuce,” Journal of Investigative Dermatology 26 (1956): 53-67.]"
Thanks for WOMANSPLAINING circumcision. Now let's hear Sam's thoughts on mastectomies.
LOL! I love this comment.
Try having a conversation about what dating looks like to men in this country, see how much womansplaining you get exposed to!
I think there's something in the American psyche that is anti-authoritarian to a fault - they don't even respect people's authority over their own experiences.
This caller needs to come back to give Emma a lecture on the effects of the menstrual cycle for comedy value.
@@ywtcc you can't be left wing if you're anti-feminist
@@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj Yeah, I don't think that's true.
If you're referring to the liberal left wing, you can be anti-feminist in cases where feminism supports oppression, and in cases where feminism supports discrimination.
And, if you're referring to the socialist left wing, you can be anti-feminist in cases where feminism oppresses the working class (such as no fault divorce).
Also, if you're simply referring to the attitudes of its supporters, I don't buy that the rich white women that typically support feminism are on average left wing - I think you'll find that constituency to be fairly conservative. Which is why feminism is failing, they're not interested in exposing the sexism, discrimination and oppression enacted by and in the name of its own supporters.
I am anti discrimination on the basis of sex, and that makes me left wing, it doesn't necessarily make me a feminist. Sometimes I agree with feminist positions, sometimes not. It's a judgement call for me, not a social club.
@@ywtcc "I am anti-discrimination that's why I don't support blm cause they hate all white people and cops" this is your argument basically
@@ywtcc For someone who's left wing you sure do comment a lot on how feminism is evil and how 19th amendment should be repealed.
Circumcision is not on the same level as female genital mutilation however I was looking forward to a more robust debate because circumcision is not medically necessary and oftentimes is done for religious or cosmetic reasons and even though it's not required by all there are some places where parents don't have a choice for instance my experience any male instance born on a military base Does not have a choice as far as circumcision goes if the parents are active duty service members
I love how the left can't engage with this issue cause "haha pp funny XD"
@@Top_Weeb Do you think the Jewish community is not engaging in this issue?
Depends on the FGM, some is just the hood.
It is literally equivalent to some kinds of female circumcision, like the removal of the clitoral hood, but regardless of all that it is still a disgusting violation of children’s bodily autonomies
@@madnessends2477 the words "some kinds" are doing a lottttt of heavy lifting there. We can be against penile circumcision without making false equivalencies like this.
You have to be able to perceive harm against men to be able to rationally see circumcision for what it is. Emma is not capable of that.
I couldn't hear who her voice co-host is but he defended it as he hadn't experienced anything negatively himself. That just doesn't mean that others hasn't. It's purely anecdotal and an odd defense of the procedure.
Thank you for your honesty. We can't expect man haters to be empathetic to ch1ld knife rap3 victims
@@charisma-hornum-fries It was an emotional response. Emma's response was emotionally-charged as well.
The form of circumcision she talks about is very rare, like 85% of female circumcision does less damage than male circumcision, it's either just a needle prick or clitoral skin removal. The male circumcision removes like 80% of the pleasure centers, foreskin is a very special skin with a lot of nerves, the gland is dulled without it, and the frenulum is also effected. Some men also have issues with tight penile skin and other complications that causes them to have pain when having sex....so there is problems lol. And yeah, some even lost their entire penis.
To me the main point is that circumcision doesn’t make a lot of sense as theology. Why does God create a part and then tell you to remove it?
i mean, he gave them a brain then told them not to use it...
@@revwroth3698 lol
I could be wrong, but I think the original intent was that it symbolizes your covenant with god through sacrifice. Basically you get to keep the part that makes procreation possible, but you're getting rid of the part that makes self-pleasure way easier as a show of loyalty. Keep in mind back in the day you couldn't just go to the store and buy a big thing of lotion.
It is an unnecessary, risky and barbarically practice.
Can people ever just talk about the affected group without reflexively saying "yeah but this other group blah blah blah..." The implication is you might think what is hurting you is important but it's not as important as what I prioritize.
It's ignorant as fuck.
Except it happens whenever a woman is talking about her experience being oppressed...every fvcking time. This guy is obviously antagonizing.
Thanks for that utterly meaningless post.
It’s very reminiscent of when someone says “Black Lives Matter” and right wingers reflexively respond with “ALL lives matter”. One person or group’s problems don’t negate your own.
Anytime we're going to talk about 'equality' or even 'equity', we have to consider both groups and their conditions to get a fair assessment of what is going on. So, the answer to your question ends up that it is myopic and foolish to only talk about "the affected group" in many contexts, especially since it's very rare that only one group is affected.
In the case of male circumcision, men aren't the only one's affected, since sex for the partners of cut men ends up different than had the same men not been cut.
I'm really disappointed with Emma's take on this.
Agreed😤 I've heard a few bad takes from Emma over the yrs (Ukraine, Liz Warren) but I think this takes the mofo🎂...
It's the 1st she's made me agree w/ a goddamn MRA dweeb. I feel like kicking something...😮💨
Just super lazy arguments here, this pissed me off so much. I dont know how any dude can not be pissed about this being done to them. And how can anyone who is even a lil bit informed about trauma glibly say,
"Well, I dont remember it, so I MUST be A-OK!"
JFC.🤦♀️
I'd never have circumcised my kids had I been a mom.
My partner hasnt mentioned it often, but he did tell me he thought it was a fucked up thing that was done to him and I agreed, and am angry on his behalf. I cant help but wonder if womens orgasms usually being that much more intense than men's ime is possibly related... maybe it's a more pronounced difference (orgasm strength/ degree of pleasure felt) between women & men in the USA & other countries that practice male genital mutilation (which is simply what it is, so it makes sense to call it that- no one is saying that MGM and FGM are even remotely comparable, at least no one who is informed).
A decade ago I happened to look into the practice a bit just out of ADHD random curiosity, & I found it super
interesting how much the % of circumcised boys & men in
the US varied geographically by the region.
And, I'm glad I now live on the more free- thinking West Coast (lowest rates then). Worth noting also since TMR is in NYC, the NE states tied w/ the SE ones for regions w/ the highest % of MGM males... almost equal % to the SE as the high rates (here, a majority Dont, but there, a vast majority DO).
Has it been brought up in the chat that babies die from the procedure of circumcision every year? Its not many but it happens. It also its factually incorrect that its more hygienic.
The issue here is consent. No matter how you frame it, it IS bodily mutilation
I agree that circumcision causes unnecessary pain to the infant. It just because the infant doesn’t remember the pain is not a good argument for why it is OK to do.
That said, that has nothing to do with male discrimination. The oppression of women in American society and beyond is real and it’s obvious to me. although I think the caller makes a good argument for why we should stop circumcising male babies, it’s appalling and somewhat embarrassing to suggest that the reality of male circumcision somehow justifies the existence of male oppression, and at that making it equal to female oppression.
Let's turn everything into the oppression olympics
I think the more interesting point to make is that it's actually a result of the very same patriarchy that the caller claims doesn't exist. There was never a conference of women that got together one day to decide to chop up all the dicks, but there was a very male-dominated, very sin-obsessed medical profession that promoted it to ubiquity in the 20th century. The societies that invented it in the first place are all patriarchal to the point of explicitly putting women in subservience to men, or even referring to them as property.
How about we stop chopping babies up for no apparent reason?
@@Top_Weeb it is not a zero sum game. It is not "I'm more oppressed than you." It's "Are you oppressed? I am too! Lets fight against that which oppresses us."
@@bobbyg309 Where does that happen? In that debunked anti-abortion mockumentary from a few years ago?
Emma is totally wrong on this.
So males are more discriminated against than females? Because that was the damn topic. Not circumcision.
@@buckiesmalls Title of Video: "Emma Debates Caller About Circumcision"
@@kray97 Sure for clicks.. I get it. And technically it was..But maybe
"Emma Debates Caller About Circumcision and how its a form of male discrimination that is worse than any form females have"
was not a fitting title.
But I don't get my all my information from headlines or titles.
@@buckiesmallsmagine being able to concede the point that male genital mutilation is indeed horrific, but also point out that women are still discrimated against far more in our society...
That's too much to ask huh?
Instead we'll ignore it and laugh and say it isn't an issue while less than half ass conceding later on.
Sad.
@@VoR8705 What? Clarify because that is a conflicting comment from my views. Just state your points. Lets just keep it to male discrimination because that was what the video topic was about. Circumcision (which I disagree with as a cut man) is a moot point. Its as if you want to arguing points I made that you agree with. Or am i just misunderstanding?
My first MAJOR disagreement with Emma... please look into the physiology of male circumcision, the head drys out for life and undergoes keratinization (much less sensitive & worsens with age) foreskin has a major portion of nerves, motion/friction and heck even size, removed without consent.
Yeah I am thankfully cut free and I have seen some cut ones that are straight up crusty, cracked, gray, and shriveled because they couldn’t care for it properly.
Imagine finding out that somebody locked a bunch of minors in his basement and has been cutting their genitals, then feeling the need to figure out which group had it “worse” rather than condemning the evil practice outright. Absolutely disgusting.
Exactly! I don’t get why people aren’t getting that here! They keep making comparisons, or bringing up the “bigger issue!” Makes no sense! The practice is abhorrent! It is abusive! Let’s take a stand against it! MR dropped the ball on this one!
*Finally people are starting to realise how bad The Majority Report is on men's issues.*
@@haza123b4 stop spamming that everywhere
I really, really don't understand when Emma and crew get so smug when men's issues come up. They were like this with the Depp v. Heard case was in the news. Emma admitted to not even really paying attention to the trial, but then read a simplified headline and decided, "Oh, well, they were both equally bad to each other, so, Depp supporters must all be misogynistic."
That's not how it works. Being a progressive means caring about true equity for everyone who is mistreated. Spousal abuse perpetrated by women upon men *does* happen. Baby male circumcision *is* just as unjustified as female circumcision. Just because men's rights activists are crazy people doesn't mean we should just smugly laugh at very real injustices happening to certain men out there as well.
It's because that's what they really believe. It's not some weird flaw in thinking. They think that male genital mutilation is fine, because it's happening to a male, so they don't care. They think that women should be allowed to abuse their male partners and that it's the man's fault for however he upset her or whatever. That's their genuine view.
It does make sex painful for men. There is no longer the gliding mechanism, no moving parts. Educate yourself on natural sex mechanics.
Emma is so wrong on this. Forced corcumsicion on boys should be illegal.
Shes not condoning circumcision 😂😂😂 she's explaining that its not the same thing for women lmao... the only ignorance being displayed here is from you