Do we have free will or is our life together predetermined?
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Basically we do not have free will..
Thank you again for your time. I am really enjoying these videos and this one particularly struck a chord within me. Choiceless awareness is where I want to be! ❤️ 🙏🏻
Its not about this or that its about this and that, you have free will and you dont, i have the illusion of free will but regardless what i choose i was always going to chose it.
Hi Deepak, how are you doing on this nice day? Thanks for this excellent video, much appreciated. I love your channel and your daily chats. Have a good and peaceful day my friend : )
Th thank you thank you it is very revealing true and liberating at the same time to come to understand from that point of view our transcendence our unity we are infinitely free and finally I love you infinitely all
Wow , Beautiful , I didn't subscribe earlier , I missed a lot , now I subscribed this beautiful channel , pure wisdom , Thanks Deepak ji 🙏
Thank you!
Wonderful! Tks for sharing.
THANK you Deepak...
This was so precise yet well explained. Thank you!
Both schools are wrong
Thank you 😊
Thank you.
Thank you Deepak, I am enjoying many of your talks. This was great. I listen to a lot of people have discussions about "free will". Here's what I wish.....is that people would just say we are discussing "the nature of will":)). Because even folks who say they believe in "free will"....don't actually believe that it is completely "free"....it seems to me at least. Our will is almost always limited by something, (even if it is something minor (like you will to have chocolate ice cream and the store is out of it):). I feel like free will is one of those phrases that is just used mindlessly over and over again. Your talk here was the most illuminating.....I thank you sooo much for this and lately especially your 21 day abundance meditation series....I've been just soaking that up!!!!
What is will? Desire...?
Respected sir, Thank you.
Pure consciousnss beyond free will, yes!
Drivel
Physyical veiws happen in consciousness as does every thought or discussion on the subject. Science is a human construct, another method of human attempts to control his own environment. Each carries the pull of dharma, synchronicity occurs when we act consistent with our own dharma. Great discussion! Thank you Deepak and consider more on this subject. 🙏❤
Physyical ?
I feel as though we laid out a “path” before we took our first breath, but we have free will to change or divert from said path at any given time..
Deepak, I'm super interested in this topic. Please do more on this.
Venus Love Factor
🐟 11. FREE-WILL Vs DETERMINISM:
Just as the autonomous beating of one's heart is governed by one's genes (such as the presence of a congenital heart condition), and the present-life conditioning of the heart (such as myocardial infarction as a consequence of the consumption of excessive fats and oils, or heart palpitations due to severe emotional distress), each and every thought and action is governed by our genes and conditioning.
If humans TRULY possessed freedom of will, then logically speaking, a person who adores cats and detests dogs, ought to be able to switch their preferences at any point in time, or even voluntarily pause the beating of their own heart.
This teaching is possibly the most difficult concept for humans to accept, because we refuse to believe that we are not the author of our thoughts and actions. From the appearance of the false ego (one’s inaccurate conception of oneself) at the age of approximately two and a half, we have been constantly conditioned by our parents, teachers, and society, to believe that we are solely responsible for our thoughts and deeds. This deeply-ingrained belief is EXCRUCIATINGLY difficult to abandon, which is possibly the main reason why there are very few persons who are spiritually-enlightened.
The most common argument against this concept of 'non-doership', is that humans (unlike other animals) have the ability to CHOOSE what they can do, think or feel. First of all, many species of (higher) animals also make choices. For instance, a cat can see two birds and choose which one to prey upon, or choose whether or not to play with a ball that is thrown its way. That choices are made is indisputable, but those choices are dependent entirely upon one’s genes and conditioning. There is no third factor involved on the phenomenal plane. On the noumenal level, thoughts and deeds are in accordance with the preordained “Story of Life”.
N. B. According to some geneticists, it is possible for genes to mutate. However, that phenomenon would be included under the "conditioning" aspect. The genes mutate according to whatever conditioning is imposed upon the human organism. It is simply impossible for a person to use sheer force of will to change their own genetic code.
We did not choose which deoxyribonucleic acid our biological parents bequeathed to us, and the conditions to which we were exposed throughout our lives, yet we somehow believe that we are fully-autonomous beings, with the ability to feel, think and behave as we desire. The truth is, we cannot know for certain what even our next thought will be. Do we DECIDE to choose our thoughts and deeds? Not likely. Does an infant choose to learn how to walk or to begin speaking, or does it just happen automatically, according to nature?
If humans truly possess freedom of will, then logically speaking, a person who adores cats and detests dogs, ought to be able to easily switch their predilections at any point in time.
To claim that one is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts and actions is tantamount to believing that one created one’s very BEING. If a computer program or artificially-intelligent robot considers itself to be the cause of its activity, it would seem absurd to the average person. Yet, that is just what virtually everyone mistakenly believes of their own deeds.
The IMPRESSION that we have free-will can be considered a “Gift of Life” or “God’s Grace”, otherwise, we may be resentful of our lack of free-will, since, unlike other creatures, we humans have the intelligence to comprehend our own existence.
When a person blames another person for their actions, it is akin to blaming the penultimate domino in a row of dominoes for doing what it did to fell the final domino, when in actual fact, the ultimate cause of the final domino falling was the INITIAL domino which fell. If anyone is to blame for anything, surely it is the Person who created everything. Who then, is that Supreme Creator? That thou art ("tat tvam asi", in Sanskrit).
Therefore, EVERY action, including seemingly-heinous deeds, is ultimately in alignment with the predestined "Story of Life" (or, for those who are attached to a theistic viewpoint, "God's Perfect Will"), since nothing could have happened differently, given the circumstances. That does not mean that a person ought to deliberately perform criminal acts and use his lack of free-will to justify his actions.
If, however, he blames his dastardly deeds on a lack of personal freedom, that blame too was destined, just as any consequences were destined. Unfortunately, very few crimes are punished in so-called "first-world" societies, which helps to explain why the "Westernized" nations are morally bankrupt. When did you last hear of an adulterous couple being put to death for their sin? Never, I would posit.
That explains why this “Wisdom Teaching” was traditionally reserved for students of high-calibre. It requires an unusually wise and intelligent person to understand that, despite everything being preordained, to blame one's lack of free-will for criminal actions and expecting NOT to be punished for them is unbeneficial to a peaceful society. Even today, with easy access to knowledge and information, few persons will come to hear this teaching, and fewer still will realize it, and integrate it into their daily lives.
Everything is permissible but not everything is BENEFICIAL. One can eat junk "food" but that is not going to benefit one’s physiology in any way (unless, of course, it enables one to temporarily survive a famine). We can murder our enemy, but we may not escape being punished by the local judicial system.
To assume that free-will suddenly and INEXPLICABLY appeared on this planet at the birth of the first Homo sapiens, is the height of arrogance.
“The Lord dwelleth in the hearts of all beings, causing all to behave as if seated on a machine, under His illusory spell.”
Lord Śri Krishna,
“Bhagavad-gītā”, 18:61.
“To be, or not to be, that is the question.”
*************
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
William Shakespeare,
English Playwright.
This is simple and not simple. So a simple man lives day by day and says he has choices and free will.
Bravo.
Thank you Deepak. you changed my perception for the better.
Yes please.
Determined.
Yes very much.
Our will makes lot of difference.Physicalist thought , consciousness brain is responsible for consciousness. other part is mental perception.John Hoffman
This has been my struggle lol I try to live like the physicality but I truly know that my soul??? Whatever I don't need to name it won't allow it. Its like I have been in this weird struggle with myself. I think I'm free now. To me it means I will be labeled crazy as I have been...I'm scared to hear karma I don't believe in karma.
Deepak sir ,
Thank you for the insights... One question.
In the state of Moksha, you mentioned it as "choice-less awareness" which is as if freewill is lost...
Instead, is it okay to say that in such a state of Moksha, one willingly relinquishes or surrenders the infinite choices at hand and then evolve from there...
Dhanyavaad 🙏🏻
Yes
These videos are helping me a lot. I thank you, my vison is getting clearer. Please keep sharing everything you know about truth. Things are shifting inside. Blessings 😇🌈🇨🇦
Suketa Patel
🐟 11. FREE-WILL Vs DETERMINISM:
Just as the autonomous beating of one's heart is governed by one's genes (such as the presence of a congenital heart condition), and the present-life conditioning of the heart (such as myocardial infarction as a consequence of the consumption of excessive fats and oils, or heart palpitations due to severe emotional distress), each and every thought and action is governed by our genes and conditioning.
If we could see our lives objectively, we would understand that it is not possible for us to control our thoughts, even by practising meditation. Meditation techniques MAY reduce one's thoughts, but obviously, that is a conditioning of the mind, which is not the doing of an independent entity, "us".
This teaching is possibly the most difficult concept for humans to accept, because we refuse to believe that we are not the author of our thoughts and actions. From the appearance of the false ego (one’s inaccurate conception of oneself) at the age of approximately two and a half, we have been constantly conditioned by our parents, teachers, and society, to believe that we are solely responsible for our thoughts and deeds. This deeply-ingrained belief is EXCRUCIATINGLY difficult to abandon, which is possibly the main reason why there are very few persons who are spiritually-enlightened.
The most common argument against this concept of 'non-doership', is that humans (unlike other animals) have the ability to CHOOSE what they can do, think or feel. First of all, many species of (higher) animals also make choices. For instance, a cat can see two birds and choose which one to prey upon, or choose whether or not to play with a ball that is thrown its way. That choices are made is indisputable, but those choices are dependent entirely upon one’s genes and conditioning. There is no third factor involved on the phenomenal plane. On the noumenal level, thoughts and deeds are in accordance with the preordained “Story of Life”.
N. B. According to some geneticists, it is possible for genes to mutate. However, that phenomenon would be included under the "conditioning" aspect. The genes mutate according to whatever conditioning is imposed upon the human organism. It is simply impossible for a person to use their will to change their own genetic code.
We did not choose which deoxyribonucleic acid our biological parents bequeathed to us, and the conditions to which we were exposed throughout our lives, yet we somehow believe that we are fully-autonomous beings, with the ability to feel, think and behave as we desire. The truth is, we cannot know for certain what even our next thought will be. Do we DECIDE to choose our thoughts and deeds? Not likely. Does an infant choose to learn how to walk or to begin speaking, or does it just happen automatically, according to nature?
To claim that one is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts and actions is tantamount to believing that one created one’s very BEING. If a computer program or artificially-intelligent robot considers itself to be the cause of its activity, it would seem absurd to the average person. Yet, that is just what virtually everyone mistakenly believes of their own deeds.
The IMPRESSION that we have free-will can be considered a “Gift of Life” or “God’s Grace”, otherwise, we may be resentful of our lack of free-will, since, unlike other creatures, we humans have the intelligence to comprehend our own existence.
When a person blames another person for their actions, it is akin to blaming the penultimate domino in a row of dominoes for doing what it did to fell the final domino, when in actual fact, the ultimate cause of the final domino falling was the INITIAL domino which fell. If anyone is to blame for anything, surely it is the Person who created everything. Who then, is that Supreme Creator? That thou art ("tat tvam asi", in Sanskrit).
Therefore, EVERY action, including seemingly-heinous deeds, is ultimately in alignment with the predestined "Story of Life" (or, for those who are attached to a theistic viewpoint, "God's Perfect Will"), since nothing could have happened differently, given the circumstances. That does not mean that a person ought to deliberately perform criminal acts and use his lack of free-will to justify his actions.
If, however, he blames his dastardly deeds on a lack of personal freedom, that blame too was destined, just as any consequences were destined. Unfortunately, very few crimes are punished in so-called "first-world" societies, which helps to explain why the "Westernized" nations are morally bankrupt. When did you last hear of an adulterous couple being put to death for their sin? Never, I would posit.
That explains why this “Wisdom Teaching” was traditionally reserved for students of high-calibre. It requires an unusually wise and intelligent person to understand that, despite everything being preordained, to blame one's lack of free-will for criminal actions and expecting NOT to be punished for them is unbeneficial to a peaceful society. Even today, with easy access to knowledge and information, few persons will come to hear this teaching, and fewer still will realize it, and integrate it into their daily lives.
Everything is permissible but not everything is BENEFICIAL. One can eat junk "food" but that is not going to benefit one’s physiology in any way (unless, of course, it enables one to temporarily survive a famine). We can murder our enemy, but we may not escape being punished by the local judicial system.
To assume that free-will suddenly and INEXPLICABLY appeared on this planet at the birth of the first Homo sapiens, is the height of arrogance.
“The Lord dwelleth in the hearts of all beings, Arjuna, causing all to behave as if seated on a machine, under His illusory spell.”
Lord Śri Krishna,
“Bhagavad-gītā”, 18:61.
“To be, or not to be, that is the question.”
*************
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
William Shakespeare, English Playwright.
Reverend Eslam , I will have to read more and contemplate of what you wrote. Thank you for such deep message. All I can say is that I am seeking for a better way of living. Since 2012, miracles did happen. A wider opening of my awareness to fully see emerged like butterfly coming out of a cocoon. Suffering led me to contemplate, and my heart began to grow to feel more love. The seeking began and meditation stillness grew stronger inside me to the point of hearing channeled sweet voices inside my head, However, I still kept falling on my knees with physical and mental illness of depression, mostly to do with chronic pain, My story is of resurrection. A new beginning, and the work of light...finding and throwing love. I feel and see everyone’s energy, and this is my downfall.....I am learning to put boundaries. This teachings and others enter my life as synchronicities. Anything I contemplate will arise in an answer some way or another in time. My desire is to see in the eyes of spirit. In the eyes of Christ and all those guides who’s hearts extend to us as oneness. I see my conditioned mind, I see my story, I see the illusions. I have learned to allow....resistance kept me in fear. Blessings of such truths my dear soul! your message is profound! May our journey on this Earth be magnificent as our heart is! 😇Thank you!
Can't it be both- we neither have complete free will, or are determined completely- it's a mix, you have free will, but God knows your destiny, ultimately, God's decision is final, you can have will- but your will is ineffective/useless, when God makes the final decision.
'Free will' has been the greatest misconception and delusion regarding the interpretation, understanding, and explanation of human psychology, human nature and 'the human condition'
People think and behave as they MUST - not as they 'freely choose' or 'freely decide' to think and behave: 'personal responsibility', 'personal accountability', 'self-determination' and 'self-motivation' are nonsensical and absurd concepts
WILL, DRIVE, DESIRE and MOTIVATION (WDDM) are nouns sharing the same meaning (The Oxford American Writer’s Thesaurus)
Example: A food-starved man has a very strong and intense WDDM to eat. Because he is not free to create his WDDM to eat, nor free to eliminate his WDDM to eat, nor free to determine the strength and intensity of his WDDM to eat... 'freedom of his WILL to eat', 'freedom of his DRIVE to eat', 'freedom of his DESIRE to eat', and 'freedom of his MOTIVATION to eat' are nonsensical and absurd. This applies to all human WDDM - such as the WDDM to have sex, the WDDM to be kind, the WDDM to be cruel, the WDDM for power, the WDDM to amass wealth, the WDDM to lose weight, the WDDM to quit smoking, etc.
'Choosing' and 'deciding' are always based upon, dependent upon and determined by the strength and intensity of your WDDM to experience the greatest degree of PLEASURE. Therefore, 'making a choice' and 'making a decision' are not free, because they are always inextricably bound to, determined by, and dependent upon - and not free of, or free from - your WDDM to experience the greatest degree of PLEASURE
It is not human WILL, DRIVE, DESIRE and MOTIVATION that is free or unfree. It is the PHYSICAL MOVEMENT caused and compelled by them that is either free or unfree
As puppets are compelled to MOVE by strings attached to their limbs, human beings (and all Living Things) are INSTINCTUALLY compelled to MOVE by or via WDDM. The 'puppeteer' is The DIVINE CONTROLLER (SuperhumanReality.com)
But isn't the movement also subjected to limitations by your ideas? If I seek pleasure for instance, perhaps the best thing for me to do would be to meditate, but if I've only ever been taught to drink and smoke and watch tv, then there is no possibility of me chosing to meditate... Even if I am not limited in ideas, my actions are limited by my energy, if I'm low in energy I will stoop to my most basic programming, if I am high energy I may act with my long term interest in mind. Moreover the amount of energy I possess and everything else is attached to a long string causations starting before my birth so at what point does choice come in?
Nice do
🙏🙏🙏
I say that consciousness can be pointed to by it's ability to deviate particles from there otherwise inevitable position. I say the inevitable position of particles can be absolutely predicted and Heisenberg's uncertainty is entirely due to conscious choice. Forgive them for they know not what they do would describe those in a reactionary state that the native Americans called Wetigo and is the disease of the mind which is the basis of the zombie movies.
Of course I can't prove that we are not hopelessly trapped in little Timmy's Nintendo 6400 or some other man made matrix but it seems to me that any story that has matter as the fundamental basis of the Universe can only evidence this by the notion that anything is possible because we can't find the source of our own perception. We can point to it though, apparently.
I sometimes find myself wandering if my Life wouldn't be more enjoyable if I weren't so "smart". It feels like patting my head and rubbing my belly trying to guard against the ego and not to say any jinxy words and being present feels like trying to get a handful of water from a fire hose. No worries though, believing that the only part of me that is real is God is a good trade off to finding out I can't win, especially when I consider what the scoreboard would say.
Like so many things it doesn't seem possible to prove if we have free will. If all is God who would predict what a part of God would do and who would measure the result? It does seem that there's a lot of evidence that we should act as though we have free will just in case we do.
I would love to hear Mr. Chopra's views about the teacher student archetype and if he feels that it is possible to progress spiritually entangled in the leader follower archetype, if these are actually archetypes, if not then his views about these relationships.
I have in my mind that Mr. Chopra has an assistant read these and forward what he might be interested in teaching. I enjoy these videos very much and think Mr. Chopra is an excellent teacher. 👍
Brilliant Deepak. Unique way of clarifying highly abstract concepts; Deepak is a gem for that. Thanks Deepak
Nope. He does not clarify the concept. He just leaves it so meaningless it allows you to believe any old rubbish.
Yes!!! Kendrick Lamar song hiiigher power...you would love it...he called diabetes figment of imagination. Please contact him. He is a young man with wise words just says it different. He says he we fight the system never liked the system direct from that song...what do you think? I wonder
Yes!
Yes...
There is no free will period
Not as long as we are world of matters
It’s only an reaction of the ego
I am a deterministic person who believes in god 100%
I watch Jim brown Grace and Truth ministries on utube, the man often teaches on free will. He thoughts a teacher or mathates of Gods Word, not this kind of stuff. We all struggle with life and wonder why do we do the things we do? I have to agree with my teacher, we have no free will, Yahweh is sovereign and directs our every footstep and, he formed this entire universe out of nothing but his command. Our destinies were predestined before the foundations of the earth were formed🙏
Freedom is our true nature❤️
Don hoffman?. hmm :-/ not sure. Vedanta is all you need to read. All that is to be said, has been said(& written) there. I don't think anything else comes close to the depths of self-discovery as much as Vedas.
cityguy0189
I disagree. ☝️
Everything we do in our life is framed in this debate means...I didnot get it sir..
Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda ji,
Namaskar 🙏🏻
One question : You said it is impossible for a person to use their freewill to change their own genetic code...
In such case, how do you think Giraffes grew longer necks over a period of several generations and still stayed as successful creatures in the evolution ?
On the same lines of the argument, how have the anteaters grown such long noses over a period of several generations but very likely ending up on the path of evolutionary dead end ?
Thank you 🙏🏻.
Hi
It was not the free will which led to it. It Was the nessecety wichtig bulid the will to grow.
The irony is that it's all predetermined but unpredictable.
There is no free will and there is no question of morality because all moral and immoral things are predestined n people who are destined to do moral and immoral acts are also predestined
Please let me know how I may interact with others during the live podcast. :)
Do you know where live session happens?!
@@himanshusehra7484 I do not. I would like too as I do notice Deepak mentions people in a chat room?
I think it's on Facebook.
🐟 11. FREE-WILL Vs DETERMINISM:
Just as the autonomous beating of one's heart is governed by one's genes (such as the presence of a congenital heart condition), and the present-life conditioning of the heart (such as myocardial infarction as a consequence of the consumption of excessive fats and oils, or heart palpitations due to severe emotional distress), each and every thought and action is governed by our genes and conditioning.
If we could see our lives objectively, we would understand that it is not possible for us to control our thoughts, even by practising meditation. Meditation techniques MAY reduce one's thoughts, but obviously, that is a conditioning of the mind, which is not the doing of an independent entity, "us".
This teaching is possibly the most difficult concept for humans to accept, because we refuse to believe that we are not the author of our thoughts and actions. From the appearance of the false ego (one’s inaccurate conception of oneself) at the age of approximately two and a half, we have been constantly conditioned by our parents, teachers, and society, to believe that we are solely responsible for our thoughts and deeds. This deeply-ingrained belief is EXCRUCIATINGLY difficult to abandon, which is possibly the main reason why there are very few persons who are spiritually-enlightened.
The most common argument against this concept of 'non-doership', is that humans (unlike other animals) have the ability to CHOOSE what they can do, think or feel. First of all, many species of (higher) animals also make choices. For instance, a cat can see two birds and choose which one to prey upon, or choose whether or not to play with a ball that is thrown its way. That choices are made is indisputable, but those choices are dependent entirely upon one’s genes and conditioning. There is no third factor involved on the phenomenal plane. On the noumenal level, thoughts and deeds are in accordance with the preordained “Story of Life”.
N. B. According to some geneticists, it is possible for genes to mutate. However, that phenomenon would be included under the "conditioning" aspect. The genes mutate according to whatever conditioning is imposed upon the human organism. It is simply impossible for a person to use their will to change their own genetic code.
We did not choose which deoxyribonucleic acid our biological parents bequeathed to us, and the conditions to which we were exposed throughout our lives, yet we somehow believe that we are fully-autonomous beings, with the ability to feel, think and behave as we desire. The truth is, we cannot know for certain what even our next thought will be. Do we DECIDE to choose our thoughts and deeds? Not likely. Does an infant choose to learn how to walk or to begin speaking, or does it just happen automatically, according to nature?
To claim that one is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts and actions is tantamount to believing that one created one’s very BEING. If a computer program or artificially-intelligent robot considers itself to be the cause of its activity, it would seem absurd to the average person. Yet, that is just what virtually everyone mistakenly believes of their own deeds.
The IMPRESSION that we have free-will can be considered a “Gift of Life” or “God’s Grace”, otherwise, we may be resentful of our lack of free-will, since, unlike other creatures, we humans have the intelligence to comprehend our own existence.
When a person blames another person for their actions, it is akin to blaming the penultimate domino in a row of dominoes for doing what it did to fell the final domino, when in actual fact, the ultimate cause of the final domino falling was the INITIAL domino which fell. If anyone is to blame for anything, surely it is the Person who created everything. Who then, is that Supreme Creator? That thou art ("tat tvam asi", in Sanskrit).
Therefore, EVERY action, including seemingly-heinous deeds, is ultimately in alignment with the predestined "Story of Life" (or, for those who are attached to a theistic viewpoint, "God's Perfect Will"), since nothing could have happened differently, given the circumstances. That does not mean that a person ought to deliberately perform criminal acts and use his lack of free-will to justify his actions.
If, however, he blames his dastardly deeds on a lack of personal freedom, that blame too was destined, just as any consequences were destined. Unfortunately, very few crimes are punished in so-called "first-world" societies, which helps to explain why the "Westernized" nations are morally bankrupt. When did you last hear of an adulterous couple being put to death for their sin? Never, I would posit.
That explains why this “Wisdom Teaching” was traditionally reserved for students of high-calibre. It requires an unusually wise and intelligent person to understand that, despite everything being preordained, to blame one's lack of free-will for criminal actions and expecting NOT to be punished for them is unbeneficial to a peaceful society. Even today, with easy access to knowledge and information, few persons will come to hear this teaching, and fewer still will realize it, and integrate it into their daily lives.
Everything is permissible but not everything is BENEFICIAL. One can eat junk "food" but that is not going to benefit one’s physiology in any way (unless, of course, it enables one to temporarily survive a famine). We can murder our enemy, but we may not escape being punished by the local judicial system.
To assume that free-will suddenly and INEXPLICABLY appeared on this planet at the birth of the first Homo sapiens, is the height of arrogance.
“The Lord dwelleth in the hearts of all beings, Arjuna, causing all to behave as if seated on a machine, under His illusory spell.”
Lord Śri Krishna,
“Bhagavad-gītā”, 18:61.
“To be, or not to be, that is the question.”
*************
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
William Shakespeare, English Playwright.
Hi, interesting, so what is consciousness then? If there is such thing as consciousness at all, (awareness?) ?
Magda 13
06. CONSCIOUSNESS:
CONSCIOUSNESS means “that which knows” or “the state of being aware”, from the Latin prefix “con” (with), the stem “scire” (to know) and the suffix “osus” (characterized by).
Higher species of animal life have sufficient cognitive ability to know themselves and their environment, at least to a measurable degree.
HOWEVER, in recent years, the term has been used in esoteric spiritual circles (usually capitalised) to refer to a far more Universal Consciousness, due to the fact that the English language doesn’t include a single word denoting the universal Ground of Being (for instance “Brahman”, “Tao”, in other tongues).
The Tao which can be expressed in language is not the REAL Tao. All concepts are, by nature, relative, and at most can merely point to the Absolute.
That explains why some branches of theology use the apophatic method of pointing to The Infinite ("neti neti", [not this, not that], in Sanskrit). Also known in Latin as "via negativa” or “via negationis” theology, this philosophical approach to discovering the essential nature of The Tao, gradually negates each description about Ultimate Reality but not Reality Itself.
The brain is merely a conduit or TRANSDUCER of Universal Consciousness, explaining why the more intelligent the animal, the more it can understand its own existence (or at least be aware of more of its environment - just see how amazingly-complex dolphin behaviour can be, compared with other aquatic species), and the reason why it is asserted that a truly enlightened human must possess a far higher level of intelligence than the average person. The brain is the equivalent of computer hardware, whilst consciousness is akin to the software programme, using deoxyribonucleic acid as the memory chip. A person who is comatosed has lost any semblance of individual consciousness, yet is being kept alive by the presence of Universal Consciousness (here, the word "coma" is not to be taken by its etymological definition of "deep sleep").
So, then, one could complain: "That's not fair - why can only a genius be enlightened?"
The answer is: first of all, as stated above, every species of animal has its own level of intelligence on a wide-ranging scale. Therefore, a pig or a dog could (if possible) ask: "That's unfair - why can only a human being be enlightened?"
Secondly, it is INDEED a fact that life is unfair, because there is no "tit for tat" law of action and reaction, even if many supposedly-great religious preceptors have stated so. They said so because they were preaching to wicked miscreants who refused to quit their evil ways, and needed to be chastized in a forceful manner. It's not possible to speak gentle words to a rabid dog to prevent it from biting you.
There is evidence of consciousness being a universal field in SAVANT SYNDROME, a condition in which someone with significant mental disabilities demonstrate certain abilities far in excess of the norm, such as superhuman rapid mathematical calculation, mind-reading, blind-seeing, or astounding musical aptitude. Such behaviour suggests that there is a universal field (possibly in holographic form) from which one can access information. Even simple artistic inspiration could be attributed to this phenomenon. The great British singer-songwriter, Sir Paul McCartney, one day woke with the complete tune of his song "Yesterday" in his mind, after hearing it in a dream.
Three states of being are experienced by humans: the waking state (“jāgrata”, in Sanskrit), dreaming (“svapna”, in Sanskrit), and deep-sleep (“suṣupti”, in Sanskrit). Beyond these three temporal states is the fourth 'state' ("turīya" or “caturīya”, in Sanskrit). That is the unconditioned, eternal 'state', which underlies the other three. So, in actual fact, the fourth state is not a state but the Unconditioned Ground of Being (or to put it simply, YOU, the real self/Self).
Perhaps the main purpose of dreams is so that we can understand that the waking state is practically identical to the dream state, and thereby come to see the ILLUSION of this ephemeral world. If someone were to ask your dream character if the dream was real, you would say, “yes, of course this is real!” Similarly, if someone were to ask your waking state character if this world was real, you would respond in a similar manner. The Ultimate Reality ("Brahman", in Sanskrit) alone is real - real in the sense that it is the never-mutable ground of being. Reality is clearly seen by those self-realized persons who have experienced spiritual awakenings, yet only intellectually understood by those who have merely studied spiritual topics (that is, practiced one of the four systems of religion described in Chapter 16).
"If you remain as you are now, you are in the wakeful state. This is abolished in the dream state.
The dream state disappears, when you are in deep sleep. The three states come and go, but you are always there.
Your real state, that of Consciousness itself, continues to exist always and forever and it is the only Reality."
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”It is fallacious to think that there is an individual self, which functions through the body and the mind.
The 'me' as an individual self, is merely a mental modification, and there is no such thing as a mind, apart from thought.
When the source of thought is probed continuously as it arises, it is revealed, that there is no such thing as mind, or an individual behind it.”
Ramesh Balsekar,
Indian Spiritual Teacher.
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Spirit. This Spirit is the matrix of all matter.”
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“I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”
Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck,
German Theoretical Physicist.
You disproved your point in the first sentence. The heart attack you refer to would be the direct result of *dietary choices*, mostly likely informed by and despite the genetic predisposition you mentioned. Free will reigns. With one caveat; it requires consciousness. Those who choose to be unconscious, unthinking, slovenly, addictive.... certainly they play out robotic and predictable actions, but there was still the original choice to abdicate free will, and recede into a dark cave of unconsciousness.
p.s. Shakespeare referred to notion that we all play roles, our lives have a plottedness, a story, and we have seeds, tendencies, character. This does not belie free will. There is still the choice to abdicate or refuse one's role on Earth, or to face it with courage, humor, creativity.
Dream Logic
Have you CAREFULLY read my comments?
If not, I suggest you re-read it.
Free will is impossible, even on the pure consciousness level. Because in order for it to be possible, you would have to choose to exist. But in order to make that choice you would have to exist first. So take the free out of the will and what we’re left with is will
As deepak stated that we are a species of consciousness, as a resultant creation manifested in this plane of existence , we are having a conscious experience in this physical realm. The Creator of the Universe gifted all beings with the capacity of holistic hemispherical balanced intelligence to have WILL, thereby allowing us to make choices to be moral or immoral agents and therefore creating Freedom or Slavery , or Order or Chaos in the aggregate.
So yes we ultimately have free will, because we cannot abdicate our personal responsibility to do the Right, over doing the Wrong.
@@shawn4900 so basically what you mean is if I feel like I’m making a choice, that is free will.. Sorry, that is the most basic every day understanding of what free will is, which is fundamentally just will, not free will.
Free will is impossible. But the closest thing to it would allow me to shape shift into any imaginable/non-imaginable entity and have any ability I wanted at any given moment, including the ability to undo my actions after they are done. Yet you say we have free will being stuck in a human body, limited to doing what humans are able do..
I wanna fly right now but can’t. I wanna unlearn English and replace it with French, or be able to communicate telepathically. Can’t. I wanna understand quantum physics. Can’t. And btw I want these things as the person I am. If I was something else I would want something else. Just the simple feeling of wanting, requires you to be an agent you didn’t choose to be. Your actions are based on what you want, and you don’t choose what you want. Where’s the free will in that
Good video Deepak but it’s never speaks about freewill against our life being predetermined, moment to moment, events to events. May be I misinterpreted the title of the video but are we workers here to perform certain tasks guided by the choices already made by our Karma, or are we the architects of creation?
My basic takeaway is that your describing that Hinduism is a free will theological belief. To wit I have no desire to be disrespectful to anyone’s beliefs. However if you want to discuss determinism as it pertains to religion Theological determinism let’s us know that determinism is not just a quantum mechanics theory.
it's not a binary question.
Not satisfied with his talk.. still not clear
yes or I would not have a choice to say somrthing nice or mean to you, or neither and never to comment on your work ever again
This is a very shallow discussion of these topics. I was disappointed
LOL.... Can you say "charlatan?"
Here folks is a man who thinks he knows everything
Boring video, put me to sleep. No real clarity on the subject
a lot of c...hopra.
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